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Post by Lee on Jun 22, 2015 18:58:43 GMT -5
I'm sure there's a biological aspect to same-sex attraction. That doesn't negate the spiritual/mental/physical anguish some gays experience.
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Post by Gene on Jun 22, 2015 19:05:24 GMT -5
I don't think the basis of that myth is being called into question. Many homosexuals are male or female. Diversity is almost always advantageous. I bet at least half of all gays wish they were straight. The stuff works better that way. I bet at least half of all working women wish they were men. They'd earn more that way.
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Post by Lee on Jun 22, 2015 19:05:44 GMT -5
I bet at least half of all gays wish they were straight. The stuff works better that way. what stuff? You seem to be hung up on only the physical sex. But it is a step in the right direction to acknowledge theirs is not a choice. Is it? Stuff equals junk equals penis equals vagina. I'm willing to bet a considerable percentage of gays/gay-leaning people could significantly re-orientate themselves if they starved the desire. Possibly not to being hetero, but to being something neutral and profitably transcendent.
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Post by Lee on Jun 22, 2015 19:07:29 GMT -5
I bet at least half of all gays wish they were straight. The stuff works better that way. I bet at least half of all working women wish they were men. They'd earn more that way. That's stupid. Lots of women enjoy complementing their generous-earning men.
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Post by Lee on Jun 22, 2015 19:30:15 GMT -5
Same sex attraction is a disorder for those who would prefer to be straight. Left handedness is a disorder for those who would prefer to be right handed. See how crazy that sounds? Not at all. There's no comparing the impact to ones life between left-handedness and being gay. What does come across is your effort to muzzle the trauma of being gay and a particular anti-Christian sentiment: "Not in my church". And where did you learn that? Its interesting how the atheistic and pharisaical spirit come together on TMB in their apology for 2x2ism.
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Post by Lee on Jun 22, 2015 19:53:00 GMT -5
An how about all those whose orientations have been screwed up to pornography, to molestation, to sex-trafficking, and to cultures that permit pederasty. Will you throw all these people under the bus and deny them the knowledge of what is normal in terms of sexual orientation and function? A pox upon you Rational, and your virulent breed of atheism. Your nihilism means not diversity but the collapsing of all forms and norms.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2015 20:26:23 GMT -5
I'm sure there's a biological aspect to same-sex attraction. That doesn't negate the spiritual/mental/physical anguish some gays experience How do you know some gays experience "spiritual/mental/physical anguish ," Lee?
Are you talking about yourself here?
Gays wouldn't need to suffer any "spiritual/mental/physical anguish" if it weren't for people like you who are doing their damndest to make them feel that way.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2015 22:57:00 GMT -5
Left handedness is a disorder for those who would prefer to be right handed. See how crazy that sounds? Not at all. There's no comparing the impact to ones life between left-handedness and being gay. What does come across is your effort to muzzle the trauma of being gay and a particular anti-Christian sentiment: "Not in my church". And where did you learn that? Its interesting how the atheistic and pharisaical spirit come together on TMB in their apology for 2x2ism. Lee! Someone needs to try to muzzle the anti-gay people like you who do their best to the traumatize a whole group of people who do not harm you in any way what-so-ever!
Quit trying to act like you are really concerned for the gay community!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 23:53:06 GMT -5
Dmmichgood, when did you start supporting gay marriage? 1980? 1990? 2000? 2010? 2015?
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Post by rational on Jun 22, 2015 23:57:57 GMT -5
I'm sure there's a biological aspect to same-sex attraction. That doesn't negate the spiritual/mental/physical anguish some gays experience. You are correct. Many religions try their best to make sure the experience is one of spiritual/mental/physical anguish. Some even try condemnation. Others think they know better than the creator they believe in and try to 'remake' the individual that the creator creator.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 23, 2015 0:16:30 GMT -5
Dmmichgood, when did you start supporting gay marriage? 1980? 1990? 2000? 2010? 2015? As soon as I realized that gay or lesbian couples wanted to get married.
As soon as I realized they wanted marriage for many different reasons, but most of all for the same reasons that I had wanted to get married, to show how much I loved the person that I wanted to marry.
Bert, When did you begin to NOT support gay marriage?
Even though gay marriage doesn't take anything away from you or your marriage and does NOT harm you in any way what-do-ever?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 0:21:10 GMT -5
I reckon ca 1995 That's when the subject became an issue, right after gays denied they were seeking conjugal rights.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 23, 2015 0:32:04 GMT -5
Gay behavior has a history of getting out of hand. Heterosexuality should be culturally celebrated, and every culture that celebrates it will be exalted. Whoop-de-doo! "Heterosexuality should be culturally celebrated?"
I thought it has been celebrated!
Maybe a bit too much by the soaring world's population!
In fact it seems "Heterosexuality" might be the one "getting out of hand."
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 23, 2015 0:36:01 GMT -5
I reckon ca 1995 That's when the subject became an issue, right after gays denied they were seeking conjugal rights. Do You have any actual reference where "gays denied they were seeking conjugal rights?"
Or is this just another of your drawing a quote from no-where, -maybe out of your hat?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 0:50:11 GMT -5
I started monitoring the issue during the Tasmanian gay campaign for legal rights. Gays wanted firstly 1 - decriminalization, not legalisation 2 - legalization, not celebration 3 - celebration, not marriage 4 - marriage.
So you don't know WHAT will be the next gay issue.
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Post by rational on Jun 23, 2015 7:25:09 GMT -5
I started monitoring the issue during the Tasmanian gay campaign for legal rights. Gays wanted firstly 1 - decriminalization, not legalisation 2 - legalization, not celebration 3 - celebration, not marriage 4 - marriage.
So you don't know WHAT will be the next gay issue.
Again, why do you care? Are you being asked to become homosexual? It sounds like the path taken by many who want change. For example, the institution and subsequent repeal of prohibition in the US.
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Post by snow on Jun 23, 2015 11:22:00 GMT -5
I started monitoring the issue during the Tasmanian gay campaign for legal rights. Gays wanted firstly 1 - decriminalization, not legalisation 2 - legalization, not celebration 3 - celebration, not marriage 4 - marriage.
So you don't know WHAT will be the next gay issue.
When a group of people go for change they do it in incremental steps. They work on the issues that are most needed and then as things progress they start on the next issues. This does not mean that they were never issues. When Rosa Parks sat down on the bus to start changes for the Black community do you really think she wasn't aware of other things that needed to be changed? One step at a time because changing bigoted and prejudiced minds takes a lot of time and work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 16:53:55 GMT -5
Quote - "Again, why do you care? Are you being asked to become homosexual? It sounds like the path taken by many who want change. For example, the institution and subsequent repeal of prohibition in the US."
Quote - "When a group of people go for change they do it in incremental steps. They work on the issues that are most needed and then as things progress they start on the next issues. This does not mean that they were never issues. When Rosa Parks sat down on the bus to start changes for the Black community do you really think she wasn't aware of other things that needed to be changed? One step at a time because changing bigoted and prejudiced minds takes a lot of time and work."
So all those people, who in ca 1990, were opposed to gay marriage, were fair minded people then, but somehow seen as "bigots" now. Social engineering is fascinating, isn't it? Notice that word "prohibition" creeping into the drug conversation? "Word engineering proceeds social engineering" is an old saying.
And some things, like the mainstreaming of pornography, just creep in without any acknowledgement whatsoever.
I wonder what social activists have in store for you next.
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Post by Lee on Jun 23, 2015 17:55:51 GMT -5
I'm sure there's a biological aspect to same-sex attraction. That doesn't negate the spiritual/mental/physical anguish some gays experience How do you know some gays experience "spiritual/mental/physical anguish ," Lee?
Are you talking about yourself here?
Gays wouldn't need to suffer any "spiritual/mental/physical anguish" if it weren't for people like you who are doing their damndest to make them feel that way.
Weak effeminate men threaten gays, not manly men like me.
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Post by Lee on Jun 23, 2015 17:58:34 GMT -5
Not at all. There's no comparing the impact to ones life between left-handedness and being gay. What does come across is your effort to muzzle the trauma of being gay and a particular anti-Christian sentiment: "Not in my church". And where did you learn that? Its interesting how the atheistic and pharisaical spirit come together on TMB in their apology for 2x2ism. Lee! Someone needs to try to muzzle the anti-gay people like you who do their best to the traumatize a whole group of people who do not harm you in any way what-so-ever!
Quit trying to act like you are really concerned for the gay community!I'm not. They're no better and no less disposed to the salvation of Christ.
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Post by Gene on Jun 23, 2015 17:58:48 GMT -5
How do you know some gays experience "spiritual/mental/physical anguish ," Lee?
Are you talking about yourself here?
Gays wouldn't need to suffer any "spiritual/mental/physical anguish" if it weren't for people like you who are doing their damndest to make them feel that way.
Weak effeminate men threaten gays, not manly men like me. And, strangely enough, it seems to be some of the manly men who feel most threatened by the gays, not the weak effeminate ones.
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Post by Lee on Jun 23, 2015 18:02:01 GMT -5
Gay behavior has a history of getting out of hand. Heterosexuality should be culturally celebrated, and every culture that celebrates it will be exalted. Whoop-de-doo! "Heterosexuality should be culturally celebrated?"
I thought it has been celebrated!
Maybe a bit too much by the soaring world's population!
In fact it seems "Heterosexuality" might be the one "getting out of hand."
Senator Moynihan said 30 percent of black children born out of wedlock was a crisis in the 1960's. Now that figure is 70 percent.
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Post by Lee on Jun 23, 2015 18:05:54 GMT -5
Weak effeminate men threaten gays, not manly men like me. And, strangely enough, it seems to be some of the manly men who feel most threatened by the gays, not the weak effeminate ones. Gays don't threaten me. Their politics do.
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Post by Gene on Jun 23, 2015 18:18:49 GMT -5
And, strangely enough, it seems to be some of the manly men who feel most threatened by the gays, not the weak effeminate ones. Gays don't threaten me. Their politics do. Can a man be separated from his politics? Can grime be rent asunder from a Swiffer? As the fox clings to its lair, the clam to its shell, and cat hair to a suit coat, so doth a man's political philosophy remain inextricable from the man, himself.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 23, 2015 18:27:20 GMT -5
Senator Moynihan said 30 percent of black children born out of wedlock was a crisis in the 1960's. Now that figure is 70 percent. Lee, I wonder if you honestly think that we don't recognize your racism, sexism & homophobia?
It comes through so loud & clear that one would have to be nearly blind & deaf to no recognize it .
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Post by Lee on Jun 23, 2015 18:29:56 GMT -5
Gays don't threaten me. Their politics do. Can a man be separated from his politics? Can grime be rent asunder from a Swiffer? As the fox clings to its lair, the clam to its shell, and cat hair to a suit coat, so doth a man's political philosophy remain inextricable from the man, himself. In Christ it can. Christ well understood the conflict between flesh and spirit.
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Post by Lee on Jun 23, 2015 18:32:26 GMT -5
Senator Moynihan said 30 percent of black children born out of wedlock was a crisis in the 1960's. Now that figure is 70 percent. Lee, I wonder if you honestly think that we don't recognize your racism, sexism & homophobia?
It comes through so loud & clear that one would have to be nearly blind & deaf to no recognize it .
By any illiberals definition, I'm racist, homophobic, and sexist. The nuances and anomalies attending these domains naturally peak my interest and attention.
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Post by Lee on Jun 23, 2015 18:34:50 GMT -5
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