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Post by Greg on May 24, 2015 7:30:59 GMT -5
From another thread. They have some good rules about this in Queensland... If you're professing and marry an 'unbeliever' i.e. Someone who hasn't professed through the workers, then you get a ban from having any part in the meeting for 'could be 6 months, could be 12 months' You see, it's all dependant on whether you say you're 'repentant' for marrying your spouse. If you don't say you're repentant (after several visits with workers in the 12 months) then it kind of comes to a stalemate and you end up going your seperate ways. It doesn't matter to the workers if God has given you absolute peace about marrying the 'unbeliever' i.e. Someone who hasn't professed through the workers. It doesn't matter if the 'unbeliever' is a Christian and fully supports you going to meetings etc An 'unbeliever' can also be a person who has gone to meetings their whole life but is not 'professing' - you still get a ban and you're told the reason for the ban is you need to be PUBLICALLY SHAMED. Yes, the unchanging way the world over. Yes and in this area there was a taking part ban applied to a professing person even after the ‘unbelieving’ spouse professed. It’s a strange scenario when the original professing person is still banned from taking part but the newly professing partner is allowed to speak in meetings. If the two are one, then both are either clean/acceptable or unclean/unacceptable. In time past, the hardness of man's heart was evident by putting away the unwanted wife. There is more than one way to show hardness of heart.
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Post by whyisitso on May 24, 2015 7:41:37 GMT -5
From another thread. Yes and in this area there was a taking part ban applied to a professing person even after the ‘unbelieving’ spouse professed. It’s a strange scenario when the original professing person is still banned from taking part but the newly professing partner is allowed to speak in meetings. If the two are one, then both are either clean/acceptable or unclean/unacceptable. In time past, the hardness of man's heart was evident by putting away the unwanted wife. There is more than one way to show hardness of heart. I had no problem in explaining things to my husband if the scriptures were followed in the 'rules'. I was the traditions that I had embarrassment in explaining!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 9:52:25 GMT -5
Being unequally yoked does not mean marrying someone outside your "faith". Being unequally yoked means being married to someone that does not share your values, understanding or commitment to God. Someone who does not respect what you hold as your believes.
I have seen many marriages in "Truth" that would be considered unequally yoked because of the lack of respect for the other person and their believes. I have seen it in my own family and in friends marriages. It makes for a very contentious and hard marriage. One that most workers and friends do not acknowledge because the people are "professing".
I have had other woman tell me how hard it is to have husband that do not respect or back them up in their believes.
Why workers and friends never address this issue is very sad to me.
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Post by whyisitso on May 26, 2015 16:13:07 GMT -5
Being unequally yoked does not mean marrying someone outside your "faith". Being unequally yoked means being married to someone that does not share your values, understanding or commitment to God. Someone who does not respect what you hold as your believes. I have seen many marriages in "Truth" that would be considered unequally yoked because of the lack of respect for the other person and their believes. I have seen it in my own family and in friends marriages. It makes for a very contentious and hard marriage. One that most workers and friends do not acknowledge because the people are "professing". I have had other woman tell me how hard it is to have husband that do not respect or back them up in their believes. Why workers and friends never address this issue is very sad to me. Couldn't agree more Marie. But when I tried to explain that to the workers it wasn't how they saw it. It's all about control. Disgusts me actually. No love whatsoever.
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Post by kittens on May 26, 2015 17:16:21 GMT -5
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Post by whyisitso on May 26, 2015 17:26:27 GMT -5
Could someone please tell me were in the bible it says that if you marry an 'outsider' you have to stop taking part in the meetings for a certain amount of time? I've never been able to understand this reasoning even when I was a kid and it didn't affect me. It does say in the bible that the unbeliever is sanctified by the other spouse to make the children 'clean'. This practice only causes untold hurt and damage as a lot of 'outsiders' who marry someone professing are quite happy for them to keep going to the meetings. That is what made them the person they fell in love with in the first place but when they're stopped from taking part the 'outsider' gets their back up and the resentment stays there for years. If it was handled differently and they were welcome amongst the friends right from the start there might be a lot more of them professing of their own free will. It doesn't kittens. Period. It's a rule that's been made up by some worker/s to 'PUBLICALLY SHAME' those who marry 'unbelievers' An 'unbeliever' by worker definition is someone not professing. They could've been going to meetings their whole life but if they're not 'professing' they're an 'unbeliever'. Or they might be a Christian with a strong faith in the Lord, but if they're not 'professing' they're an 'unbeliever'. Not even what the bible says, but anyway!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 20:34:02 GMT -5
when my mom(wasn't even professing anymore) got married to my father(outsider) the worker at the time for that area said if anyone would go to the wedding that they shouldn't expect any help from the workers I think that ruined the whole marriage from the get go along with the alcoholism. BUT eventually my mom returned to profess again so if people let go of the bitterness and put pride aside much can be accomplished.
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Post by kittens on May 27, 2015 5:56:10 GMT -5
when my mom(wasn't even professing anymore) got married to my father(outsider) the worker at the time for that area said if anyone would go to the wedding that they shouldn't expect any help from the workers I think that ruined the whole marriage from the get go along with the alcoholism. BUT eventually my mom returned to profess again so if people let go of the bitterness and put pride aside much can be accomplished. 1
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Post by Roselyn T on May 27, 2015 6:06:00 GMT -5
when my mom(wasn't even professing anymore) got married to my father(outsider) the worker at the time for that area said if anyone would go to the wedding that they shouldn't expect any help from the workers I think that ruined the whole marriage from the get go along with the alcoholism. BUT eventually my mom returned to profess again so if people let go of the bitterness and put pride aside much can be accomplished. Shows a wonderful Christian attitude doesn't it ! Talk about blackmail !
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Post by matisse on May 27, 2015 16:29:30 GMT -5
Could someone please tell me were in the bible it says that if you marry an 'outsider' you have to stop taking part in the meetings for a certain amount of time? the F&W where I grew up were not Sola scriptura. They believed as well in some level of modern day revelation though the Holy Spirit....especially to the Workers.
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Post by whyisitso on May 27, 2015 17:05:17 GMT -5
when my mom(wasn't even professing anymore) got married to my father(outsider) the worker at the time for that area said if anyone would go to the wedding that they shouldn't expect any help from the workers I think that ruined the whole marriage from the get go along with the alcoholism. BUT eventually my mom returned to profess again so if people let go of the bitterness and put pride aside much can be accomplished. Wally I wonder did your mum think it was scriptural how the worker treated her and also how the worker tried to control those around her? For me, reading that 'so if people let go of the bitterness and put pride aside much can be accomplished' insinuates that she was 'bitter' about how the workers treated her but 'put pride aside' i e just forgave them or even brushed it under the carpet to go back to meetings and reprofess. Maybe she believes she needs to have the workers approval for salvation. So that's nice for your mum and I hope she's happy and at peace with what she's doing. In my case, what the workers were doing & saying could not be ignored. It was so far from scriptural it wasn't even funny. I felt like God wanted me to be strong and stand up for His word and for what He'd put in my heart.... The conviction He'd given me through much prayer to marry the man who was meant for me. I'm grateful it led me away from the controlling & misguided strong arm of the Queensland workers and closer to my Lord.
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Post by withlove on May 27, 2015 18:29:20 GMT -5
when my mom(wasn't even professing anymore) got married to my father(outsider) the worker at the time for that area said if anyone would go to the wedding that they shouldn't expect any help from the workers I think that ruined the whole marriage from the get go along with the alcoholism. BUT eventually my mom returned to profess again so if people let go of the bitterness and put pride aside much can be accomplished. Wow...I can't remember hearing of the workers doing something like that before. Maybe it is going on behind the scenes when people are shunned by the friends and it isn't really the friends' intention (Ros, maybe this is what happened to you)? I shouldn't make suppositions like that though...has anyone else heard of this kind of thing? Anyway, so sorry about your parents' situation, wally. That had to hurt being a child in the middle of it, too. Glad your mum has peace about it now.
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Post by snow on May 27, 2015 19:18:52 GMT -5
All these things would be a non issue if people realized they were following a book that was written in a different time, with different cultural practices and laws and they are not relevant to our time or culture. We have morally progressed to realize that to deny people a loving marriage and children two parents is not very loving or ethical for that matter. Many things the bible advocates keeps us stuck in unloving prejudiced mindsets that don't work if we want to be more loving and compassionate.
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Post by matisse on May 28, 2015 9:51:02 GMT -5
the F&W where I grew up were not Sola scriptura. They believed as well in some level of modern day revelation though the Holy Spirit....especially to the Workers. Yes, it certainly wasn't Sola Scriptura. I don't know how many sermons I heard as a young kid and growing up that the revelation of Jesus Christ came to the Apostles and then through the Apostles to the people....and that's how it works today - Jesus to the workers and the workers to the people. I don't think I ever said more than 10 words to that worker so I was thinking later that I obviously wasn't getting the revelation via Him :) I didn't intend my comment to be critical. I personally don't see how sola scriptura is itself "scriptural" and don't understand the dogged insistence on it by some camps.
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Post by kittens on May 29, 2015 16:46:48 GMT -5
the F&W where I grew up were not Sola scriptura. They believed as well in some level of modern day revelation though the Holy Spirit....especially to the Workers. Yes, it certainly wasn't Sola Scriptura. I don't know how many sermons I heard as a young kid and growing up that the revelation of Jesus Christ came to the Apostles and then through the Apostles to the people....and that's how it works today - Jesus to the workers and the workers to the people. I don't think I ever said more than 10 words to that worker so I was thinking later that I obviously wasn't getting the revelation via Him 1
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