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Post by emy on May 24, 2015 0:07:18 GMT -5
Of course some do. But it can be risky. What about the risk of marrying a believer who later stops going to meeting Emy ? We don't have crystal balls. God provides what we need when the need arises. (applies to staying single after divorce, too. No, I'm not saying God provides sex. )
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Post by Greg on May 24, 2015 0:08:43 GMT -5
The friends and workers are not the 2x2's. They can be considered the so-called 2x2's. You, NathanB, are a 2x2. I do not know if you are one of the friends and workers. You, NathanB, are mixing the two teachings together. hahahaha... Others on TMB have pointed out to you many times the workers and the friends... AND 2x2s are the same... You keep on ignoring this. What is WRONG with you?
I do not recall anyone pointing that out to me.
Just because someone is called something does not mean they are that something or that they take that something as a name.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 24, 2015 0:10:12 GMT -5
What about the risk of marrying a believer who later stops going to meeting Emy ? We don't have crystal balls. God provides what we need when the need arises. (applies to staying single after divorce, too. No, I'm not saying God provides sex. ) So you know what its like to be divorced Emy ? It seems that statements like this come from people who have never been in the situation ! So God is going to provide a home & money for the children or is that parent going to have to go & get a job to provide for their children ?
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Post by Greg on May 24, 2015 0:34:11 GMT -5
I do not recall anyone pointing that out to me.
Just because someone is called something does not mean they are that something or that they take that something as a name. One of them pointed out to you Greg, is DMG... If she read this post I hope she can repeat it her thoughts to you again.
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Post by emy on May 24, 2015 0:34:25 GMT -5
We don't have crystal balls. God provides what we need when the need arises. (applies to staying single after divorce, too. No, I'm not saying God provides sex. ) So you know what its like to be divorced Emy ? No, I have never been divorced, but I have good friends who have been, without remarriage.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 24, 2015 0:41:55 GMT -5
So in actual fact you personally do not know what it is like to be on your own with children to raise? It is amazing in situations like this how everyone has so much advise but very few really understand what they are talking about !
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Post by BobWilliston on May 24, 2015 1:20:12 GMT -5
Where did you get that thought? Maybe everyone has heard of temple prostitutes but me...this is what I just found... "A second kind of prostitute, often called a “sacred” or “temple” prostitute, was a female or a male who had sex with worshipers of a god or goddess in a temple. Many of these gods or goddesses were thought to make the land and its people fertile. In Canaan, there were pairs of such gods: Baal and Asherah, and later, Osiris and Isis. The prophet Hosea seems to be warning the people of Israel against having sex with temple prostitutes in rituals honoring these Canaanite fertility gods (Hos 4:10-19). Some time later, Judah’s King Josiah (639–609 B.C.) tore down buildings that housed “male prostitutes” (2 Kgs 23:7) who may have served in the worship of Canaanite gods. In the Jewish Scriptures (Old Testament), Israel’s unfaithfulness is often compared with being a prostitute or chasing after prostitutes (Isa 23:16; Jer 3:6; Ezek 16; Nah 3:4). In the New Testament, the writer of Revelation calls Babylon, meaning the Roman Empire, a shameless prostitute who tempts people and nations into relations with her (Rev 17)." Didn't see a reference there to the Corinthians 6 verse but it clarifies that the temples weren't Jewish. americanbible.orgNathan's timeline is all tangled up. He maybe thinks that Paul lived at the time of Solomon.
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Post by whyisitso on May 24, 2015 1:36:40 GMT -5
An Amazing Thought to Ponder : "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers..." ~ II Corinthians 6:14 To marry outside is like tying a water buffalo to a tree. The buffalo can’t go to work because the other one is standing firm in their human nature. They have some good rules about this in Queensland... If you're professing and marry an 'unbeliever' i.e. Someone who hasn't professed through the workers, then you get a ban from having any part in the meeting for 'could be 6 months, could be 12 months' You see, it's all dependant on whether you say you're 'repentant' for marrying your spouse. If you don't say you're repentant (after several visits with workers in the 12 months) then it kind of comes to a stalemate and you end up going your seperate ways. It doesn't matter to the workers if God has given you absolute peace about marrying the 'unbeliever' i.e. Someone who hasn't professed through the workers. It doesn't matter if the 'unbeliever' is a Christian and fully supports you going to meetings etc An 'unbeliever' can also be a person who has gone to meetings their whole life but is not 'professing' - you still get a ban and you're told the reason for the ban is you need to be PUBLICALLY SHAMED. Yes, the unchanging way the world over.
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Post by ellie on May 24, 2015 6:36:56 GMT -5
An Amazing Thought to Ponder : "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers..." ~ II Corinthians 6:14 To marry outside is like tying a water buffalo to a tree. The buffalo can’t go to work because the other one is standing firm in their human nature. They have some good rules about this in Queensland... If you're professing and marry an 'unbeliever' i.e. Someone who hasn't professed through the workers, then you get a ban from having any part in the meeting for 'could be 6 months, could be 12 months' You see, it's all dependant on whether you say you're 'repentant' for marrying your spouse. If you don't say you're repentant (after several visits with workers in the 12 months) then it kind of comes to a stalemate and you end up going your seperate ways. It doesn't matter to the workers if God has given you absolute peace about marrying the 'unbeliever' i.e. Someone who hasn't professed through the workers. It doesn't matter if the 'unbeliever' is a Christian and fully supports you going to meetings etc An 'unbeliever' can also be a person who has gone to meetings their whole life but is not 'professing' - you still get a ban and you're told the reason for the ban is you need to be PUBLICALLY SHAMED. Yes, the unchanging way the world over. Yes and in this area there was a taking part ban applied to a professing person even after the ‘unbelieving’ spouse professed. It’s a strange scenario when the original professing person is still banned from taking part but the newly professing partner is allowed to speak in meetings.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 15:27:55 GMT -5
yes there are some out there that do see the light and get saved because of their spouse introducing them to the truth.... So what about those that married as "believers" then one stopped believing as far as that the "fellowship" was the only way. as long as he was still a believer in Christ, God and the Holy Spirit I see no problem...
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 16:01:37 GMT -5
It is not a marriage chapter. It is about where to worship. You can't worship God and worship at a pagan temple i.e. Diana, Jupiter, Minerva etc..
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Post by whyisitso on May 24, 2015 16:14:50 GMT -5
Yes and in this area there was a taking part ban applied to a professing person even after the ‘unbelieving’ spouse professed. It’s a strange scenario when the original professing person is still banned from taking part but the newly professing partner is allowed to speak in meetings. I believe some of these workers traditions banned on marrying non-professing, divorce and remarriage from taking parts are NOT according to scriptures and it gets out of hand with all kinds men rules of can't allow this and that. They based the banned of taken parts from " equally Yoked with unbelievers" II Cor. 6:14 " Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" which are taken out of context.
No person has the right to ban a believer in part take the emblems, that should be between them and God. Paul wrote in I Cor.11:26-32
For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
~~ Let the Spirit convinces and convicts of people sins. It's God who forgives our sins, the workers can warn, encourage us in the right direction, which is point others to follow Jesus and the leading of the Spirit, like Paul has done.
We read in Corinth believers have unbelievers mates in their fellowship/worship meetings in 1 Corinthians 7:12-17
To the rest I say this: If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife? Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches.
In my experience Nathan, I said to the workers on the 2nd visit, that I would be taking part in the bread and wine as that was not their right to take that away from me. That was for each person to examine themselves before God. They said 'ok that's fine' With regards to the speaking/praying I didn't fight it because it's part of the 'form' of the meetings and essentially 'their' rules.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 24, 2015 18:27:17 GMT -5
Nathan's timeline is all tangled up. He maybe thinks that Paul lived at the time of Solomon. This man doesn't think my timeline is all tangled up. www.godrules.net/articles/1cor6.htm After doing further research, I discovered more evidence that the Apostle Paul is most likely referring to temple harlotry. First, the Historian Strabo indicates that in 7th Century B.C., Corinth's Temple to Aphrodite employed 1000 cultic temple prostitutes. Now many historians seem to "squable" regarding whether it truly was 1000 temple prostitutes in 7th Century BC, as it is questionable what source Strabo used for this information. However, the only reason they contest is because Strabo was living in (ca. 64 BC-AD 21) and he would not have direct prima facie knowledge of what was occurring in 7th century Corinth. During Strabo's time, Rome had already conquered Corinth and had significant influence over it, and much of the operations at the Temple of Aphrodite had diminished. So, if you research it, you will discover many seem to down play this idea of Corinth being filled with temple prostitutes. HOWEVER, I found one very interesting line, which many seem to miss: "Prostitutes were regularly regarded as devotees of Aphrodite in Greek literature, but that does not make them cult prostitutes per se." - Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society 42.3 (1999): 443-460 Isn't that an interesting little statement? Most people in Corinth during the time of Paul, regularly regarded harlots as "devotees of Aphrodite". So, in other words, they were not doing "official harlotry for Aphrodite", but still considered their "harlotry" unto Aphrodite. Would that not make them an unofficial "temple prostitute" in God's sight? According to God's Law, yes. Now, I mentioned all of this, because a lot of "historians" downplay this "temple prostitute" idea. However, we are not looking for "official" temple prostitutes, but rather, harlots doing their service unto false gods, whether officially or unofficially. Now, lets discuss this passage of Paul's. Notice, it says "ye are the temple of God". Why would Paul mention you are the temple of God, while talking about "harlots", unless he was directly referring to the "temple prostitutes" of Corinth? So, it is about looking at the scripture in context to the time, location and people being written to. Further, Paul seems to be making an argument against sleeping with these harlots, by saying "your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost". So, saying the body is a temple, and that bringing an idol into a temple would "defile" it. So, if it was referring to a normal prostitute, it does not make a lot of sense to argue this way. But, if he is referring to these temple prostitutes, it makes a great deal of sense, as she is worshipping an idol and you are bring her body, an "idolatrous body temple", and making it one with your body, a "temple to the Holy Ghost", hence defiling the temple of God. For which, God would destroy you as a result. www.godrules.net/articles/1cor6.htmBut these weren't the same kind of prostitutes you were referring to in your last post.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 25, 2015 0:17:12 GMT -5
So you know what its like to be divorced Emy ? No, I have never been divorced, but I have good friends who have been, without remarriage. Emy I have been thinking about this, you said God provides after divorce for a person to stay single, can you explain exactly what you mean by this ? Are you meaning God provides for a single parent with children? As to staying single well we are all humans and have human desires, is it better for a single person to have a "secret relationship" with someone than to re-marry?
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Post by emy on May 25, 2015 13:46:48 GMT -5
No, I have never been divorced, but I have good friends who have been, without remarriage. Emy I have been thinking about this, you said God provides after divorce for a person to stay single, can you explain exactly what you mean by this ? Are you meaning God provides for a single parent with children? As to staying single well we are all humans and have human desires, is it better for a single person to have a "secret relationship" with someone than to re-marry? I can only theorize about God's care in a certain instance, but I do believe His promises, so yes, I think he will care for mothers with children who are faithful to him. That would require the faithfulness of others in the fellowship, too. Desires can be sublimated - might even lead to something good, according to Freud and others! Also, I've heard it said that if God takes something away, He will give back something better. Here's a short part article from Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimation_%28psychology%29
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Post by Roselyn T on May 26, 2015 1:03:57 GMT -5
All good in theory isn't it ! But reality is a totally different thing ! Its a bit like this, "We feel sorry for you because you are left to raise children on your own". But of course we have our own perfect family to look after so yes we feel for you, just keep going to meetings and it will all be ok, we won't include you in gatherings because after all you are single & might tempt our husbands. But we feel sorry for you. We won't include your children to gatherings with "our children" because that would course "our children" to question "Why don't they have a Dad"?. But we do feel for you.....
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Post by snow on May 26, 2015 17:44:29 GMT -5
All good in theory isn't it ! But reality is a totally different thing ! Its a bit like this, "We feel sorry for you because you are left to raise children on your own". But of course we have our own perfect family to look after so yes we feel for you, just keep going to meetings and it will all be ok, we won't include you in gatherings because after all you are single & might tempt our husbands. But we feel sorry for you. We won't include your children to gatherings with "our children" because that would course "our children" to question "Why don't they have a Dad"?. But we do feel for you..... I have a feeling you are really talking from experience. I am so sorry if this happened to you. I hope you have found happiness.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 26, 2015 19:24:23 GMT -5
Thank you Snow Yes I am talking from experience, at the time it was very hurtful but now I am thankful for what it has taught me and how it has caused me to question so many things !
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Post by withlove on May 26, 2015 20:11:29 GMT -5
Thank you Snow Yes I am talking from experience, at the time it was very hurtful but now I am thankful for what it has taught me and how it has caused me to question so many things ! That is so much hurt to handle yourself and to watch your children suffer from it too. I'm sorry. Divorce itself is hard enough without the people around you adding to the pain. Jesus is a champion for the lonely and downtrodden. Hope eventually you can feel more peace than otherwise when you think about what happened. In the meantime IT SUCKS and I'm sorry. xo
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Post by Roselyn T on May 26, 2015 20:18:22 GMT -5
Thank you withlove , you are right its the children that suffer as well. I know we have to look for the positive & that is what I try to do and I am thankful for all that I have learnt
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Post by snow on May 27, 2015 10:40:32 GMT -5
Thank you Snow Yes I am talking from experience, at the time it was very hurtful but now I am thankful for what it has taught me and how it has caused me to question so many things ! Yes funny how that works. My experience with the workers at 12 made me question everything and I don't think that's what they had in mind when they tried to shut down my questions. But I am forever grateful they did because it made me question things at a young age.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 20:05:12 GMT -5
I feel sorry for middle aged single women who lack a partner due to limits putting on dating due to the issue of either dating outside or not dating a divorcee.If they are single because they WANT TO BE, that is different.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 20:10:22 GMT -5
I feel sorry for middle aged single women who lack a partner due to limits putting on dating due to the issue of either dating outside or not dating a divorcee.If they are single because they WANT TO BE, that is different. the kingdom has a place for everyone be it single or married...
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Post by Roselyn T on May 30, 2015 21:59:52 GMT -5
Are you single Wally ?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 22:30:52 GMT -5
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Post by Roselyn T on May 30, 2015 22:43:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 22:44:43 GMT -5
nope, never found a woman crazy enough to marry me
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Post by Roselyn T on May 30, 2015 23:25:10 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't realise that Wally
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