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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 12:51:28 GMT -5
Some old men have claimed that too much skin makes these young ones more vulnerable to CSA. Isn't that approach a bit of a blaming the victim?? The overseers of the 70s and 80s would be surprised to see so much skin on the grounds. And this trend has been occurring in other churches as well. Today's youth impress by the latest computer gadget and not fancy suites. That is how it is even if some hardliners object to it.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 15:15:15 GMT -5
if you walk into a den of lions expect to get eatn'(unlike Daniel)...
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Post by fixit on May 19, 2015 15:30:29 GMT -5
I suspect there was more CSA when women and girls dressed like Mother Hubbard.
The key to fixing the CSA problem is education.
Kids need to know that they can squeal whenever they feel uncomfortable.
That their parents and trusted adults will listen and not punish them.
Everyone needs to understand that CSA is a criminal matter - not a church matter.
Victims need to know that the church will not think less of them for reporting abuse.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 19, 2015 15:58:20 GMT -5
I suspect there was more CSA when women and girls dressed like Mother Hubbard. The key to fixing the CSA problem is education. Kids need to know that they can squeal whenever they feel uncomfortable. That their parents and trusted adults will listen and not punish them. Everyone needs to understand that CSA is a criminal matter - not a church matter. Victims need to know that the church will not think less of them for reporting abuse. Thanks, fixit
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Post by dmmichgood on May 19, 2015 16:07:39 GMT -5
if you walk into a den of lions expect to get eatn'(unlike Daniel)... So, wally, you are saying that it natural for the lions ( old men) to eat up the innocent lambs?You are saying that lions (old men) are just doing what is natural and they therefore aren't responsible their conduct when they "eat" up the lambs?
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Post by fixit on May 19, 2015 16:11:11 GMT -5
if you walk into a den of lions expect to get eatn'(unlike Daniel)... I hope you're not likening F&W to a den of lions.
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Post by whyisitso on May 19, 2015 16:15:31 GMT -5
if you walk into a den of lions expect to get eatn'(unlike Daniel)... So wally, let's say you were walking down the street one day and some young girl (20yr old) looked sideways at you, and she just happened to be wearing a tank top and cut off denim shorts, if you had the 'urge' would you just drag her round to the nearest alley way & rape her?
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Post by snow on May 19, 2015 17:20:16 GMT -5
if you walk into a den of lions expect to get eatn'(unlike Daniel)... So what you're saying is that men are animals and can't control themselves? Do men not have any responsibility when it comes to controlling their sexual urges? Good grief Wally!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 17:59:50 GMT -5
I suspect there was more CSA when women and girls dressed like Mother Hubbard. The key to fixing the CSA problem is education. Kids need to know that they can squeal whenever they feel uncomfortable. That their parents and trusted adults will listen and not punish them. Everyone needs to understand that CSA is a criminal matter - not a church matter. Victims need to know that the church will not think less of them for reporting abuse. Thanks, fixit
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 20:29:03 GMT -5
if you walk into a den of lions expect to get eatn'(unlike Daniel)... So wally, let's say you were walking down the street one day and some young girl (20yr old) looked sideways at you, and she just happened to be wearing a tank top and cut off denim shorts, if you had the 'urge' would you just drag her round to the nearest alley way & rape her? there are men that will do that so its best to be aware of it before something happens...
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 20:32:15 GMT -5
if you walk into a den of lions expect to get eatn'(unlike Daniel)... So, wally, you are saying that it natural for the lions ( old men) to eat up the innocent lambs?You are saying that lions (old men) are just doing what is natural and they therefore aren't responsible their conduct when they "eat" up the lambs?
isn't it better to be aware and cut it off at the pass so to speak than to have something happen? there are men out there that will harm women without thinking...
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 20:35:32 GMT -5
if you walk into a den of lions expect to get eatn'(unlike Daniel)... I hope you're not likening F&W to a den of lions. some of the men could be better at controlling their urges. I've heard some pretty sad suggestions before...
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 20:43:25 GMT -5
if you walk into a den of lions expect to get eatn'(unlike Daniel)... So what you're saying is that men are animals and can't control themselves? Do men not have any responsibility when it comes to controlling their sexual urges? Good grief Wally! men can be animals at times its better to not tempt fate wouldn't you say? I mean really, men will harm women even without risque clothing. do you really expect them to control their urges when women dress in a risque manner? my neighbor was a rapist and he truly was an animal that could barely control himself and I know you have meet some too so you should know what I am speaking about...
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Post by snow on May 19, 2015 20:51:54 GMT -5
So what you're saying is that men are animals and can't control themselves? Do men not have any responsibility when it comes to controlling their sexual urges? Good grief Wally! men can be animals at times its better to not tempt fate wouldn't you say? I mean really, men will harm women even without risque clothing. do you really expect them to control their urges when women dress in a risque manner? my neighbor was a rapist and he truly was an animal that could barely control himself and I know you have meet some too so you should know what I am speaking about... I do know what you are talking about. But I also have an expectation that men can control themselves because some do manage it quite well. I believe it isn't so much that they can't control their urges as much as a belief system that makes women an object and not worth the effort. Some believe that women are their for men to do with as they wish. That kind of a belief doesn't seem conducive to them even bothering to try and control themselves. She is there to be used and if they can get away with it, then they will do it. No need to control themselves because women don't matter, they aren't worth as much as a man etc. But men who have the belief that women do matter and have worth are likely to not push themselves on women. That is one reason why I do not like what is taught in the bible. Women were chattel, to be used and abused if the husband so wished. Women are supposed to submit to the 'head' of the family which is of course 'male'. These beliefs lead to not treating women as equals sometimes.
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Post by rational on May 19, 2015 21:38:49 GMT -5
if you walk into a den of lions expect to get eatn'(unlike Daniel)... I guess there is no reason to wonder why it is so difficult to change people's attitudes regarding sexual offenders.
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Post by rational on May 19, 2015 21:41:59 GMT -5
So what you're saying is that men are animals and can't control themselves? Do men not have any responsibility when it comes to controlling their sexual urges? Good grief Wally! men can be animals at times its better to not tempt fate wouldn't you say? I mean really, men will harm women even without risque clothing. do you really expect them to control their urges when women dress in a risque manner? my neighbor was a rapist and he truly was an animal that could barely control himself and I know you have meet some too so you should know what I am speaking about... This displays an almost total lack of understanding of what is currently understood regarding sexual offenders. Is there any chance this is projection?
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Post by Gene on May 19, 2015 22:03:35 GMT -5
men can be animals at times its better to not tempt fate wouldn't you say? I mean really, men will harm women even without risque clothing. do you really expect them to control their urges when women dress in a risque manner? my neighbor was a rapist and he truly was an animal that could barely control himself and I know you have meet some too so you should know what I am speaking about... This displays an almost total lack of understanding of what is currently understood regarding sexual offenders. Is there any chance this is projection? In an infinite universe, given that a projection is possible, I'd say it's a non-zero probability.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 22:31:29 GMT -5
I say keep them up. Have always been a legs man.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 19, 2015 22:38:46 GMT -5
So wally, let's say you were walking down the street one day and some young girl (20yr old) looked sideways at you, and she just happened to be wearing a tank top and cut off denim shorts, if you had the 'urge' would you just drag her round to the nearest alley way & rape her? there are men that will do that so its best to be aware of it before something happens... This has often been the excuse for some men, perhaps men like yourself? Those type of men make women responsible for men's actions instead of holding themselves responsible for their own actions.
Actually it is a terribly disparaging accusation toward men! I'm sure most men would resent that accusation and they would be right in doing so!
Only a few men might have that attitude! In fact, I have never known any man like that!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 22:42:15 GMT -5
there are men that will do that so its best to be aware of it before something happens...
In fact, I have never known any man like that!
then your either extremely lucky or your not being honest
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Post by Roselyn T on May 19, 2015 22:47:46 GMT -5
I say keep them up. Have always been a legs man. Now now Redback !!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 19, 2015 23:00:31 GMT -5
In fact, I have never known any man like that!
then your either extremely lucky or your not being honest Neither, -I'm am 83 years old & I am being honest. I don't think that it has to do with "luck" either.
I have lived & worked in a lot of different cities.
I have also had to work all hours of the day because I'm a nurse.
But then, _when I see your posts, -I "honestly" do feel "lucky" that I have never met you, wally!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 23:36:07 GMT -5
I say keep them up. Have always been a legs man. plenty of camels your way
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 23:37:45 GMT -5
then your either extremely lucky or your not being honest Neither, -I'm am 83 years old & I am being honest. I don't think that it has to do with "luck" either.
I have lived & worked in a lot of different cities.
I have also had to work all hours of the day because I'm a nurse.
But then, _when I see your posts, -I "honestly" do feel "lucky" that I have never met you, wally!
just as well for wally as well
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Post by dmmichgood on May 20, 2015 1:34:32 GMT -5
Neither, -I'm am 83 years old & I am being honest. I don't think that it has to do with "luck" either.
I have lived & worked in a lot of different cities.
I have also had to work all hours of the day because I'm a nurse.
But then, _when I see your posts, -I "honestly" do feel "lucky" that I have never met you, wally!
just as well for wally as well Me? -Little old me? A nice little old white haired lady like me?
Shucks, -I have a hard time hurting a flea! ('cause they jump around so much)
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Post by whyisitso on May 20, 2015 1:53:29 GMT -5
So wally, let's say you were walking down the street one day and some young girl (20yr old) looked sideways at you, and she just happened to be wearing a tank top and cut off denim shorts, if you had the 'urge' would you just drag her round to the nearest alley way & rape her? there are men that will do that so its best to be aware of it before something happens... What about YOU Wally. Are YOU one of them?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 3:55:27 GMT -5
Some old men have claimed that too much skin makes these young ones more vulnerable to CSA. Isn't that approach a bit of a blaming the victim?? The overseers of the 70s and 80s would be surprised to see so much skin on the grounds. And this trend has been occurring in other churches as well. Today's youth impress by the latest computer gadget and not fancy suites. That is how it is even if some hardliners object to it. Seems that nothing in the threads on Jesus, or the New Covenant, or historicity of the bible or any other issue interests you. So what is it now? Girls dress changes/doesn't change. Workers losing control/too much control. Or is it just "hardliners." ? If you spend more time on the Gospels instead of the TTT and Secret Sect you will see that Jesus is the ultimate "hardliner" - followed a close second by those who followed Him and wrote the Epistles. These people make any "hardliner" Worker today seem like pussycats.
Some homework - read what Jesus said of his church in The Book Of Revelations.
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Post by bubbles on May 20, 2015 5:07:01 GMT -5
Some old men have claimed that too much skin makes these young ones more vulnerable to CSA. Isn't that approach a bit of a blaming the victim?? The overseers of the 70s and 80s would be surprised to see so much skin on the grounds. And this trend has been occurring in other churches as well. Today's youth impress by the latest computer gadget and not fancy suites. That is how it is even if some hardliners object to it. This reminds me of my motherinlaw telling my father my mini skirts got me pregnant!! How daft is that. Mini skirts were the fashion. Id roll my skirt to above my kneecap leaving the sunday morning meeting because i didnt want my work collegues seeing me in a long unfashionable skirt. I felt it was an unnecessary unfair judgement. By workers/friends who had nothing better to do.
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