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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 3:54:31 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm whether or not there has been a very recent change of overseer in Sth Australia?
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Post by Mary on May 7, 2015 4:56:35 GMT -5
I did a search on Google for overseer of South Australia and came up with this. Not what you were looking for but I was thinking it might bring up some things totally unrelated to the 2x2s but no, its about them. wingsbts.proboards.com/thread/222
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 5:18:04 GMT -5
I probably should have been more specific. Is anyone here able to confirm whether Alan Kitto is still in charge of Sth Australia, or whether the overseer responsibility has recently been passed to someone else.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 6:42:47 GMT -5
It's a worldwide family. I like to extend my borders !
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 8:15:51 GMT -5
Thank you for those from Sth Australia who contacted me with what is going on in their area.
I have some very good and happy news for those in New South Wales who were upset when Alan left them so quickly to join the Sth Australian staff. Alan will soon (if not already) be back among you.
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Post by aus1 on May 7, 2015 8:21:08 GMT -5
That is an interesting development, does that mean IT is the new elder of SA?
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Post by snow on May 7, 2015 12:42:37 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm whether or not there has been a very recent change of overseer in Sth Australia? How interesting that you would be seeking such!.... and then....South Australia of all places! Surprised you aren't better 'networked' than this! Sigh, at least you're consistent.
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Post by hberry on May 7, 2015 12:49:53 GMT -5
How interesting that you would be seeking such!.... and then....South Australia of all places! Surprised you aren't better 'networked' than this! Sigh, at least you're consistent. Made me think of Emerson's comment: “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 13:20:21 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm whether or not there has been a very recent change of overseer in Sth Australia? How interesting that you would be seeking such!.... and then....South Australia of all places! Surprised you aren't better 'networked' than this! I am very surprised by your narrow view on this. Australia and NZ work closely together . Just think of the problems that led to Graham Thompson at nearly 60 years of age having to make the heartache decision to leave the ministry on conscience grounds. This wasn’t only due to a lack of courage in NZ by its overseer to stand for ‘truth’, but was evident by the attitude and approach of the different overseers across Australasia to those same problems. I don’t have to spell it out again here, as the hierarchy issue has been published openly on this Board a number of times over the last 16 months. The problems that Graham identified , while acknowledged as correct by a number of overseers, are still unaddressed today by the Australasian overseers, as you very well know. They have been reminded of them by a number of workers and friends since then. You would think a desire for truth would be a very top priority but it sadly appears that, somewhere along the line, their sights have been lowered. In the meantime it surely is appropriate, in light of the above, that the ‘saints’ within the fellowship in NZ and Australia should have an interest in what is happening right across the Australasian region. They are looking in hope of seeing some little sign of things getting sorted. I appreciate there are others who value and prefer the status quo and are happy focusing close to home. But others have a burning desire for wrongs to be sorted, for right and truth to triumph, for a good man’s sacrifice in leaving the ministry to not be in vain. Instinctively they will survey the landscape (in this case all of Australasia) as they seek for some evidence of a ministry freshly turning to commit itself fully to truth.
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Post by kittens on May 7, 2015 16:00:21 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on May 7, 2015 16:36:51 GMT -5
kittens, You want to know what EXACTLY is happening with Alan Kitto? Then get in touch with him and ask him! If you as an ex member of the church have; as you say; 'a right to know and genuine interest' he will undoubtedly tell you. Review, do you actually read posts you respond to or simply skim them? review005. I understand you are a worker. I don't know what country you are in but I am very disappointed in your nasty, sarcastic comments. It makes me wonder why I am in a fellowship where the ones who are supposed to be there to help us can't even show ONE of the fruits of the spirit - love, joy, peace etc.
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Post by hberry on May 7, 2015 16:39:22 GMT -5
kittens, You want to know what EXACTLY is happening with Alan Kitto? Then get in touch with him and ask him! If you as an ex member of the church have; as you say; 'a right to know and genuine interest' he will undoubtedly tell you. Review, do you actually read posts you respond to or simply skim them? review005. I understand you are a worker. I don't know what country you are in but I am very disappointed in your nasty, sarcastic comments. It makes me wonder why I am in a fellowship where the ones who are supposed to be there to help us can't even show ONE of the fruits of the spirit - love, joy, peace etc. I was just getting ready to post the same comment. I see kittens as a current member based on the posting.
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Post by kittens on May 7, 2015 17:15:51 GMT -5
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Post by kittens on May 7, 2015 18:38:20 GMT -5
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Post by Gene on May 7, 2015 19:05:52 GMT -5
Kittens, can I put this to you? You haven't seen Allan for years and you feel he has always treated you as a young kid who needs to be fobbed off. You feel He wouldn't sit down and have a serious conversation with you. Then you read a TMB post about the SA elder and Allan going to NSW and you post "I know Allan Kitto and would like to know EXACTLY what is happening. I think I have a right to know and I have a genuine interest." Then you tell me "I'd be better reading and meditating-that's what the friends pay you to do" and then post that you still can't handle sarcasm! Actually I am normal ordinary person, I never thought of going into the work. It's just that God called me. My advice to you, review.... Answer the questions truthfully, honestly LEAVE the sarcasm out of your posts, then you will have lots of people take and read your posts seriously. They are glad to have a worker that care and will answer their questions. If you don't know the answer, just say I don't KNOW. Don't try to go in circle with your answers.Post of the month.
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Post by Gene on May 7, 2015 19:10:01 GMT -5
Thanks Nathan There is no need for it with most posts/posters but there is a small minority where it effectively delivers the message. I also notice that it is only a worker that attracts 'squeals and howls' for use of it. If you read through a number of threads you'll notice how often use of it is made. One particular poster uses it often.... and he also squeals loudly about my use of it! Figure that one! It may not be fair, but I tend to hold workers to a higher standard. Luke 12:48.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 7, 2015 20:38:26 GMT -5
Maybe Allan doesn't agree with Clydie re-baptising Noel Harvey ! Or does it have something to do with Steve S being sent home ...... !
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Post by snow on May 7, 2015 21:45:49 GMT -5
Fixit, Yes I do skim through a lot of posts, but if I am going to respond/answer to one I read them. It was this statement that 'threw me off' "You would be better employed reading your bible and meditating - that's what the friends pay you to do."I somehow associate such a statement with ex members rather a present member? Most friends I know don't consider money they give us as 'pay'. Most church members who give a gift/tithe don't either mostly Just because you don't consider it to be pay, doesn't mean it isn't. You are providing a service and they are providing you with money to perform that service. That sounds like pay.
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Post by snow on May 7, 2015 22:04:38 GMT -5
Thanks Nathan There is no need for it with most posts/posters but there is a small minority where it effectively delivers the message. I also notice that it is only a worker that attracts 'squeals and howls' for use of it. If you read through a number of threads you'll notice how often use of it is made. One particular poster uses it often.... and he also squeals loudly about my use of it! Figure that one! You are supposed to be the role model are you not? How does lowering yourself to other's levels do anything positive? An elderly professing lady I used to mow the lawn for always told me, 'two wrongs don't make a right'. Wrong or right, people look up to the workers and do expect a higher level of behavior from them. I know it's probably frustrating for you because the workers do get blamed for a lot of things. Nathan gave you good advice I think.
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Post by kittens on May 7, 2015 22:48:58 GMT -5
Maybe Allan doesn't agree with Clydie re-baptising Noel Harvey ! Or does it have something to do with Steve S being sent home ...... !
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Post by kittens on May 7, 2015 22:55:02 GMT -5
Maybe Allan doesn't agree with Clydie re-baptising Noel Harvey ! Or does it have something to do with Steve S being sent home ...... ! Gene: this is a prime example of the an ex member and the type of post that I find are best either ignored or responded to with the aid of a little sarcasm turbo.
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Post by fixit on May 7, 2015 23:02:45 GMT -5
Maybe Allan doesn't agree with Clydie re-baptising Noel Harvey ! Or does it have something to do with Steve S being sent home ...... ! Gene: this is a prime example of the an ex member and the type of post that I find are best either ignored or responded to with the aid of a little sarcasm turbo. You could try telling the truth and being open and honest. Why does it matter if exes learn there's a new overseer in South Australia? Secrecy encourages speculation.
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Post by kittens on May 7, 2015 23:18:36 GMT -5
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Post by Roselyn T on May 7, 2015 23:22:50 GMT -5
Maybe Allan doesn't agree with Clydie re-baptising Noel Harvey ! Or does it have something to do with Steve S being sent home ...... ! Gene: this is a prime example of the an ex member and the type of post that I find are best either ignored or responded to with the aid of a little sarcasm turbo. That's right Review an ex member who has known all three workers since I was a child ! Also knows how the hierarchy works !
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Post by Roselyn T on May 8, 2015 0:18:37 GMT -5
That's right Review an ex member who has known all three workers since I was a child ! Also knows how the hierarchy works ! Gene, I simply am unable to see any sense in the last posts of this poster. Am I super dumb or is it as I say? Of course you don't see Review! You don't see anything wrong with re-baptising an ex worker who was jailed for CSA so I don't expect you to see !
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Post by Roselyn T on May 8, 2015 0:43:44 GMT -5
Review you seem to forget a lot of us are at least 3rd or more generation B&R. We know how it works, how workers are sent from one state to another when something needs to be covered up. A recent older worker from Vic sent to Qld for example. Of course people are going to question if Allan is sent back to NSW, particularly with the past events with Steve S being sent home. As I have stated before the re-baptism of Noel Harvey is of concern to me even as an ex considering I personally know a lot of his victims & what they have been through.
Nice job of avoiding the main issue by the way !
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Post by kittens on May 8, 2015 1:03:59 GMT -5
To any of the friends and workers who post on here and look down on the exes - remember that anyone one of them may come back to the meetings one day. Not all of them are nasty about the fellowship and some of them must still have some feeling for it or they wouldn't bother going on here. They would get on with their lives. I try not to treat friends or 'outsiders' any differently and I know some exes have been through terrible experiences and have a right to feel hard done by. If any of them did want to come back I hope anything I say or do or my attitude would not push them away. Good post kittens, You say 'not all exes'... . You are correct Actually there are many, probably most exes are not nasty' Like most always it is a very small vocal minority that is heard. You are correct the majority are not nasty and bitter. They don't brood and post about their often decades ago experience in our church. For better or for worse a number of the minority enjoy posting on TMB. Enjoy! a
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Post by Roselyn T on May 8, 2015 1:34:13 GMT -5
Great post Kittens, you have summed it up ! Some of us ex's still have family that go to meeting, if we know of CSA or other problems isn't it our duty to protect the children.
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