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Post by Roselyn T on May 27, 2015 21:34:00 GMT -5
You know this from experience Wally ? I have met a number of couples where one of them is mentally ill and have stayed married...it is tough on them(the non-mental spouse) for sure but they do it anyways...its even harder on the children cause they don't understand what is happening very well... So Wally in the case of Bipolar where alcohol & sex is a major addiction, and the person with the illness does not want to take medication, at what point in your opinion is it best for all involved, to divorce ? If the person with the illness has left & had a child with another person, when does the original partner say enough is enough ? Or do they just keep taking them back because its wrong to divorce as far as others (F&W ) are concerned ?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 22:36:13 GMT -5
I have met a number of couples where one of them is mentally ill and have stayed married...it is tough on them(the non-mental spouse) for sure but they do it anyways...its even harder on the children cause they don't understand what is happening very well... So Wally in the case of Bipolar where alcohol & sex is a major addiction, and the person with the illness does not want to take medication, at what point in your opinion is it best for all involved, to divorce ? If the person with the illness has left & had a child with another person, when does the original partner say enough is enough ? Or do they just keep taking them back because its wrong to divorce as far as others (F&W ) are concerned ? its best to divorce/seperate when they become a danger to themselves or others...which is what may happen if they stop treatment...
I wish you could have lived in my area, although the workers frown on divorce my mother was treated pretty good by them when she divorced...
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Post by Roselyn T on May 28, 2015 1:08:09 GMT -5
If a person does not want to take medication & will not even admit they have a problem and want out of a marriage what opinions are there ? One person CANNOT save a marriage ! Yes that's true. If a one person wants out, and won't admit there's a problem and accept help, then there's not much the other person can do. So Felicity in a case like this where one of the partners wants out and has had a child with someone else what other options are there other than divorce ?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 3:20:16 GMT -5
Yes that's true. If a one person wants out, and won't admit there's a problem and accept help, then there's not much the other person can do. So Felicity in a case like this where one of the partners wants out and has had a child with someone else what other options are there other than divorce ? None, unfortunately. I have always said that there are times when divorce and/or separation are necessary, and the scenario you're talking about sounds like one of them.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 28, 2015 4:07:16 GMT -5
Yes it was, that is why I say there are grey areas and I believe God understands that.
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Post by snow on May 28, 2015 10:14:07 GMT -5
In my world I believe we should be guided by love and compassion and if it contradicts what an old book says then the book is wrong. Love and compassion are more important.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 13:50:47 GMT -5
Yes it was, that is why I say there are grey areas and I believe God understands that. before you put all your eggs in one basket on "grey areas" which humans really create not God, remember this verse: Rev_3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
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Post by snow on May 28, 2015 14:59:22 GMT -5
Why would anyone want to be in heaven for eternity with a God that didn't care about your happiness while you lived on earth? Also you need to remember that same God had some of his angels and one of his top angels dislike their existence in heaven enough to fight to change it. Does that sound like paradise? Not to me it doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 15:40:38 GMT -5
Why would anyone want to be in heaven for eternity with a God that didn't care about your happiness while you lived on earth? Also you need to remember that same God had some of his angels and one of his top angels dislike their existence in heaven enough to fight to change it. Does that sound like paradise? Not to me it doesn't. "dislike" covers a number of things in what satan and his cronies did...jealousy, covetousness, envy, greed
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Post by maryhig on May 28, 2015 16:14:31 GMT -5
Why would anyone want to be in heaven for eternity with a God that didn't care about your happiness while you lived on earth? Also you need to remember that same God had some of his angels and one of his top angels dislike their existence in heaven enough to fight to change it. Does that sound like paradise? Not to me it doesn't. Satan didn't dislike heaven, he wanted to be as God! So he was cast down. Having a high place wasn't enough for him. Not only him but a third of the angels we're cast down with him. So he must have been very persuasive and full of promises. Cunning and crafty. And he can get a hold of us too, if we listen to him in our hearts. He makes everything look so wonderful through our fleshly eyes. Yet he can pull us down to the depths of hell if we allow him to.
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Post by maryhig on May 28, 2015 16:31:15 GMT -5
Satan didn't dislike heaven, he wanted to be as God! So he was cast down. Having a high place wasn't enough for him. Not only him but a third of the angels we're cast down with him. So he must have been very persuasive and full of promises. Cunning and crafty. And he can get a hold of us too, if we listen to him in our hearts. He makes everything look so wonderful through our fleshly eyes. Yet he can pull us down to the depths of hell if we allow him to. Oh, geeze! Not that boogey man under the bed again!
Blimey, is it possible to dance under the bed?
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Post by snow on May 28, 2015 16:48:08 GMT -5
Why would anyone want to be in heaven for eternity with a God that didn't care about your happiness while you lived on earth? Also you need to remember that same God had some of his angels and one of his top angels dislike their existence in heaven enough to fight to change it. Does that sound like paradise? Not to me it doesn't. "dislike" covers a number of things in what satan and his cronies did...jealousy, covetousness, envy, greed Something isn't right about that story. If heaven is perfect I can't imagine why anyone would be displeased with it or their place in it. Does this mean it's possible to get to heaven, change your mind about your place in it and rebel like Satan and 1/3 of the other angels?
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Post by snow on May 28, 2015 16:49:56 GMT -5
Why would anyone want to be in heaven for eternity with a God that didn't care about your happiness while you lived on earth? Also you need to remember that same God had some of his angels and one of his top angels dislike their existence in heaven enough to fight to change it. Does that sound like paradise? Not to me it doesn't. Satan didn't dislike heaven, he wanted to be as God! So he was cast down. Having a high place wasn't enough for him. Not only him but a third of the angels we're cast down with him. So he must have been very persuasive and full of promises. Cunning and crafty. And he can get a hold of us too, if we listen to him in our hearts. He makes everything look so wonderful through our fleshly eyes. Yet he can pull us down to the depths of hell if we allow him to. You really need to wonder what was so wrong that Satan and 1/3 of the angels were unhappy enough to risk an uprising against an all powerful being. How could they even have thought they could win? Something isn't right about that story and as I asked Wally, does this mean that once you get to heaven you may be displeased and try to do the same thing? If it happened once, why not again?
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Post by snow on May 28, 2015 16:50:44 GMT -5
Oh, geeze! Not that boogey man under the bed again!
Blimey, is it possible to dance under the bed? Only if you're one of the wee folk
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Post by maryhig on May 28, 2015 17:16:09 GMT -5
Satan didn't dislike heaven, he wanted to be as God! So he was cast down. Having a high place wasn't enough for him. Not only him but a third of the angels we're cast down with him. So he must have been very persuasive and full of promises. Cunning and crafty. And he can get a hold of us too, if we listen to him in our hearts. He makes everything look so wonderful through our fleshly eyes. Yet he can pull us down to the depths of hell if we allow him to. You really need to wonder what was so wrong that Satan and 1/3 of the angels were unhappy enough to risk an uprising against an all powerful being. How could they even have thought they could win? Something isn't right about that story and as I asked Wally, does this mean that once you get to heaven you may be displeased and try to do the same thing? If it happened once, why not again? Heaven can't be that bad, Jesus refused all the kingdoms of the world! And said to the thief on the cross that he would be in paradise that day with him!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 28, 2015 19:14:44 GMT -5
Oh, geeze! Not that boogey man under the bed again!
Blimey, is it possible to dance under the bed? Of course! When you are dealing with hypothetical creatures they can do anything that you set your mind to create!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 28, 2015 19:24:52 GMT -5
Yes it was, that is why I say there are grey areas and I believe God understands that. before you put all your eggs in one basket on "grey areas" which humans really create not God, remember this verse: Rev_3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Well of course, Roselyn T!
By now surely you realize that Wally is only black & white, -no grey areas! Black & white with a sword no less! It is all in his avatar!
OOPS! Well, there is a little green in there. Wonder if that stands for "envy ?" As in, "green with envy."
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 20:37:32 GMT -5
"dislike" covers a number of things in what satan and his cronies did...jealousy, covetousness, envy, greed Something isn't right about that story. If heaven is perfect I can't imagine why anyone would be displeased with it or their place in it. Does this mean it's possible to get to heaven, change your mind about your place in it and rebel like Satan and 1/3 of the other angels? I live near evergreen state college its an expensive school so MOST(not all) people who go there come from wealthy families and time and again I see rich kids that are totally unhappy(you see this in Hollywood too) and they do really stupid things like steal, get stoned everyday, etc...now why would they do that knowing all the advantages that come from being rich? many drop out and reject their parents wishes of getting a higher education or doing anything with their life. Satan did the same thing he had it all and rejected God and his ways thinking he had a better plan...
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Post by Roselyn T on May 28, 2015 20:39:46 GMT -5
Yes it was, that is why I say there are grey areas and I believe God understands that. before you put all your eggs in one basket on "grey areas" which humans really create not God, remember this verse: Rev_3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Wally the grey areas I am talking about I have discussed above ! Bipolar, alcoholism, infidelity & how this effects a marriage and that there are cases where there is no option but divorce. Are you saying a person has to stay married no matter what ? That if the other person divorces them because they want to do there own thing the person left to raise the children has to just put up with it ?
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Post by Roselyn T on May 28, 2015 20:43:13 GMT -5
In my world I believe we should be guided by love and compassion and if it contradicts what an old book says then the book is wrong. Love and compassion are more important. I agree with you Snow !
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 20:44:34 GMT -5
before you put all your eggs in one basket on "grey areas" which humans really create not God, remember this verse: Rev_3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Wally the grey areas I am talking about I have discussed above ! Bipolar, alcoholism, infidelity & how this effects a marriage and that there are cases where there is no option but divorce. Are you saying a person has to stay married no matter what ? That if the other person divorces them because they want to do there own thing the person left to raise the children has to just put up with it ? nope not saying that at all, just a friendly little reminder that being "grey" is not really that good of a position
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Post by Roselyn T on May 28, 2015 20:48:06 GMT -5
So in the situation I was in how is there a black or white Wally ?
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Post by emerald on May 28, 2015 20:49:09 GMT -5
Satan didn't dislike heaven, he wanted to be as God! So he was cast down. Having a high place wasn't enough for him. Not only him but a third of the angels we're cast down with him. So he must have been very persuasive and full of promises. Cunning and crafty. And he can get a hold of us too, if we listen to him in our hearts. He makes everything look so wonderful through our fleshly eyes. Yet he can pull us down to the depths of hell if we allow him to. You really need to wonder what was so wrong that Satan and 1/3 of the angels were unhappy enough to risk an uprising against an all powerful being. How could they even have thought they could win? Something isn't right about that story and as I asked Wally, does this mean that once you get to heaven you may be displeased and try to do the same thing? If it happened once, why not again? There was nothing wrong with Heaven! Lucifer, Satan, call him what you like, wanted to be God. So God cast him out, along with the Angels that Satan had corrupted into agreeing with him. Read what Wally and Maryhig have written. Neither have said that Satan was unhappy.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 21:08:14 GMT -5
So in the situation I was in how is there a black or white Wally ? you've suggested he was bipolar and not taking his meds or not seeking help plus probably self medicating with alchohol therefore your safety was a concern that's pretty black and white to me
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Post by Roselyn T on May 28, 2015 21:13:54 GMT -5
What I meant was people are quick to say divorce is wrong but there are times that it is the only option therefore there are grey areas !
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Post by emerald on May 28, 2015 21:23:13 GMT -5
before you put all your eggs in one basket on "grey areas" which humans really create not God, remember this verse: Rev_3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Well of course, Roselyn T!
By now surely you realize that Wally is only black & white, -no grey areas! Black & white with a sword no less! It is all in his avatar!
OOPS! Well, there is a little green in there. Wonder if that stands for "envy ?" As in, "green with envy."
Why would Wally be envious? Silly extrapolation.
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Post by snow on May 28, 2015 23:32:29 GMT -5
You really need to wonder what was so wrong that Satan and 1/3 of the angels were unhappy enough to risk an uprising against an all powerful being. How could they even have thought they could win? Something isn't right about that story and as I asked Wally, does this mean that once you get to heaven you may be displeased and try to do the same thing? If it happened once, why not again? There was nothing wrong with Heaven! Lucifer, Satan, call him what you like, wanted to be God. So God cast him out, along with the Angels that Satan had corrupted into agreeing with him. Read what Wally and Maryhig have written. Neither have said that Satan was unhappy. I said Satan was unhappy. Why else would anyone rebel if they were totally, 100% happy? People just don't like to think there may be something wrong with heaven after all.
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Post by snow on May 28, 2015 23:34:45 GMT -5
Something isn't right about that story. If heaven is perfect I can't imagine why anyone would be displeased with it or their place in it. Does this mean it's possible to get to heaven, change your mind about your place in it and rebel like Satan and 1/3 of the other angels? I live near evergreen state college its an expensive school so MOST(not all) people who go there come from wealthy families and time and again I see rich kids that are totally unhappy(you see this in Hollywood too) and they do really stupid things like steal, get stoned everyday, etc...now why would they do that knowing all the advantages that come from being rich? many drop out and reject their parents wishes of getting a higher education or doing anything with their life. Satan did the same thing he had it all and rejected God and his ways thinking he had a better plan...
You are comparing apples and oranges if you think you can compare a life of riches and a possibly dysfunctional human family with an all powerful God and a supposedly perfect heaven situation. Big difference. Any angel that thought he could defeat an all powerful being, and they would know that, doesn't make any sense at all, unless the situation was so dire they needed to at least try.
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