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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 22, 2015 21:54:46 GMT -5
review005 Royal Member ***** review005 Avatar Posts: 643 4 hours ago Post Options . Post by review005 on 4 hours ago The ex member acknowledges that deity and divinity are interchangeable words. But spends his time making posts about ministers in his ex church not using 'deity of Christ' but rather 'divinity of Christ'! Notice his dozens, no it would be 100s of posts about 'workers this' and 'workers that.' Perhaps so busy he has no time for posting on forums, emailing to Ministers, Bishops, Arch Bishops etc of the denomination he has joined protesting the like of openly gay Ministers and Bishops. Ministers advocating same sex marriages etc that he has in his own glasshouse. Anything about divinity v deity in the above Review ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 22, 2015 22:35:37 GMT -5
If you read the post you'd see! Hey Review are you responding to my posts now !!!! I know I need glasses
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 22, 2015 23:22:18 GMT -5
If you read the post you'd see! Hey Review are you responding to my posts now !!!! I know I need glasses Yeh, review005 is "responding" but still not answering questions!
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Post by snow on Apr 23, 2015 14:31:01 GMT -5
I guess I'm a bit slow as I'm still trying to get my head around this. My understanding is that Christ was not one of a number of deities, nor was he the deity (we agree !!). He was however, a part of the deity ( being the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost). Now if Christ is fully divine, having fully the quality/substance of the one God/Deity, who was he? Right on, Fred..... MANY of the workers and friends today are so CONFUSED and have little clue on the Deity of Christ, Christ is the Lord, Godhead, and Triune God. Many of them are still feeding/staying on milk of the words diet, and NOT able to digest Meat of the words, yet. They need workers, the friends and others who have passed the milk stage to tell them, " You're 21 yrs old now, and time it's time to leave the milk, and eat meat of the words." Milk is good in the beginning but now your body needs meat/iron to grow stronger as time goes on.Interesting how each group thinks they are so much more superior to the others they don't agree with. If you were a Gnostic you would be saying that the beliefs of the RCC and the Trinity are just the Milk and the real Meat is beyond your ability to spiritually grasp. The oneupmanship of religion. Gotta love it!
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 23, 2015 17:01:40 GMT -5
Reference was made in another thread noting that both words had the same derivation and therefore today carry the same meaning. Language of course is a living thing, and from my understanding the words as used today still have a similar meaning but with significantly different nuances. 'Divine' is used in common language today as in "That's simply divine dahling", meaning 'superb' or even 'heavenly'. So the meaning has to do with being 'heavenly' or 'of God'. The word 'deity' carries a much more narrow definition, not meaning 'of God' but rather 'is God'. This is how the words are used in the fellowship today, f&w will frequently use the word 'divine' to talk about Jesus, but I have never heard the word 'deity' used in describing him. This is simply because they don't believe the word is a right description for him. To suggest the both words have the same meaning and then believe that in using the word 'divine' they are really meaning his 'deity' is nonsense. Yes, divinity and deity are both nouns and are interchangeable words. Christians talk about the divinity or the deity of Christ. I have never heard the term "deity of Christ" used by workers because as you say the vast majority do not believe this. If a friend or worker started talking about the deity of Christ they would be corrected - and not because of any grammatical issue! Sorry, but deity and divinity are not interchangeable words. "Divinity" has a far broader definition than deity. The fact that some people consider Jesus a deity does not confine the word "divinity" to gods.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 23, 2015 17:15:18 GMT -5
I guess I'm a bit slow as I'm still trying to get my head around this. My understanding is that Christ was not one of a number of deities, nor was he the deity (we agree !!). A "deity" is a single, individual god. e.g. Zeus, etc. The only people who refer to Jesus as a deity are people who consider him an actual god, which separates the "Christians" from the "Jesus believers". This is the Roman concept of Jesus, It is the incorporation of the Pagan concept of a "christ" into the church's doctrine ... hence the term "Christian". Point is, nothing has to be a deity to be divine. Angels are divine, but they're not deities. "Divinity" is more aptly understood to be the quality of divine things and individuals than individual deities only.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 23, 2015 17:22:53 GMT -5
Fred - for me Jesus is wholly God. As is the Father. As is the Holy Spirit. Key words: "for me". But the definitions of "divinity" and "deity" do not derive from your theology. It is Catholic theology that treats them as the same thing.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 23, 2015 17:29:16 GMT -5
Right on, Fred..... MANY of the workers and friends today are so CONFUSED and have little clue on the Deity of Christ, Christ is the Lord, Godhead, and Triune God. Many of them are still feeding/staying on milk of the words diet, and NOT able to digest Meat of the words, yet. They need workers, the friends and others who have passed the milk stage to tell them, " You're 21 yrs old now, and time it's time to leave the milk, and eat meat of the words." Milk is good in the beginning but now your body needs meat/iron to grow stronger as time goes on. Interesting how each group thinks they are so much more superior to the others they don't agree with. If you were a Gnostic you would be saying that the beliefs of the RCC and the Trinity are just the Milk and the real Meat is beyond your ability to spiritually grasp. The oneupmanship of religion. Gotta love it! Doesn't this discussion sound exactly like the aboriginals in the movie The Gods Must Be Crazy, who were trying to decide the nature of the coke bottle's divinity?
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 23, 2015 17:30:44 GMT -5
Interesting how each group thinks they are so much more superior to the others they don't agree with. If you were a Gnostic you would be saying that the beliefs of the RCC and the Trinity are just the Milk and the real Meat is beyond your ability to spiritually grasp. The oneupmanship of religion. Gotta love it! Yep! birds of the feathers flock together.... It sound like you're flocking with those of a different feather.
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Post by Greg on Apr 23, 2015 18:48:12 GMT -5
It sound like you're flocking with those of a different feather. hahaha... yep... in the past there were MORE of us but now there are less of us in our 2x2 fellowship.2x2 fellowship? You, bert, tommy gamble, and one other? There were more in the past? Did you know them?
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Post by ellie on Apr 24, 2015 6:44:48 GMT -5
Interesting how each group thinks they are so much more superior to the others they don't agree with. If you were a Gnostic you would be saying that the beliefs of the RCC and the Trinity are just the Milk and the real Meat is beyond your ability to spiritually grasp. The oneupmanship of religion. Gotta love it! Doesn't this discussion sound exactly like the aboriginals in the movie The Gods Must Be Crazy, who were trying to decide the nature of the coke bottle's divinity? Ah well this discussion certainly does seem to be taking up a lot of resources. Maybe rational can skip the bottle off the cliff. Or leave some comments for our crazy future maintainer to give us a break?
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Post by rational on Apr 24, 2015 7:19:43 GMT -5
Doesn't this discussion sound exactly like the aboriginals in the movie The Gods Must Be Crazy, who were trying to decide the nature of the coke bottle's divinity? (rofl) >:D Ah well this discussion certainly does seem to be taking up a lot of resources. Maybe rational can skip the bottle off the cliff. Or leave some comments for our crazy future maintainer to give us a break? Sounds good. Build a device that will attempt to hurl the evil object back into the sky from where it fell! Save a trip to the edge of the world. Your comment reminds me of an old post regarding god as a programmer. God the Programmer Q: Does God control everything that happens in my life? A: He could, if he used the debugger, but it's tedious to step through all those variables.
Q: Why does God allow evil to happen? A: God thought he eliminated evil in one of the earlier versions.
Q: What causes God to intervene in earthly affairs? A: If a critical error occurs, the system pages him automatically and he logs on from home to try to bring it up. Otherwise things can wait until tomorrow.
Q: Did God really create the world in seven days? A: He did it in six days and nights while living on cola and candy bars. On the seventh day he went home and found out his girlfriend had left him.
Q: How come the Age of Miracles Ended? A: That was the development phase of the project, now we are in the maintenance phase.
Q: Who is Satan? A: Satan is a MIS director who takes credit for more powers than he actually possesses, so people who aren't programmers are scared of him. God thinks of him as irritating but irrelevant.
Q: What is the role of sinners? A: Sinners are the people who find new and imaginative ways to mess up the system when God has made it idiot-proof.
Q: Where will I go after I die? A: Onto a DAT tape.
Q: Will I be reincarnated? A: Not unless there is a special need to recreate you. And searching those tar files is a major hassle, so if there is a request for you, God will just say that the tape has been lost.
Q: Am I unique and special in the universe? A: There are over 10,000 major university and corporate sites running exact duplicates of you in the present release version.
Q: What is the purpose of the universe? A: God created it because he values elegance and simplicity, but then the users and managers demanded he tack all this senseless stuff onto it and now everything is more complicated and expensive than ever.
Q: If I pray to God, will he listen? A: You can waste his time telling him what to do, or you can just get off his back and let him program.
Q: What is the one true religion? A: All systems have their advantages and disadvantages, so just pick the one that best suits your needs and don't let anyone put you down.
Q: How can I protect myself from evil? A: Change your password every month and don't make it a name, a common word, or a date like your birthday.
Q: Some people claim they hear the voice of God. Is this true? A: They are much more likely to receive email.
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Post by ellie on Apr 24, 2015 8:21:37 GMT -5
Haha love it!
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Post by Persona non grata on Apr 25, 2015 8:47:28 GMT -5
Each needs to come to their personal understanding of this and be at peace with themselves and with God about it. Those that have anything of Christ about them desist from trying to force their version of it down the throats of others. Right on the mark, 005. I think this may be the best quote I've ever read on TMB, concerning the subject of the trinity.
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