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Post by fixit on Apr 17, 2015 2:28:11 GMT -5
Does the bible say that Christ has sons and daughters? Yes, it does in Revelation 21:5-6 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.” And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
Jesus said he is the Alpha and Omega and the Lord God Almighty. Revelation 1:7 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Jesus, a brother to his disciples, said he would ascend to his God...
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Post by maryhig on Apr 17, 2015 5:48:13 GMT -5
My observation of Ross's posts on this thread is that a) he imaginatively draws from one verse;ignoring the context in which the verse is situated. b) he imaginatively draws conclusions and makes assumptions about a man seeking to live as a Christian based on one sentence he uttered at a funeral service. Perhaps such is acceptable in the church Ross belongs to? You are very entitled to your observation. But it is not mine alone and does not just relate to the church I attend. It is a standard Christian interpretation - nothing surprising there. If a minister at my church or any church I attended said that "Jesus said that he was not good..." there would be a lot of feedback. I was brought up to understand that people, particularly leaders should responsibility and accountability for what they say and do. Christian leaders are no different. I will always defend, to the utmost, the deity of Jesus Christ. It is an essential part of the Christian faith. Can I ask what you think Jesus meant when he said "why do you call me good, there is none Good but God?"
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Post by whyisitso on Apr 17, 2015 19:06:11 GMT -5
Ross, You do not know what PL believes...that is a true and correct statement you have made. Disappointing that despite that you have made numerous statements about him. You now put out a request for a contact with him!!! Remember of the story of the villager maligning his neighbour and then coming to the priest asking how he could retrieve/retract it? The priest gave him a bag of feather got him to empty the bag into the wind.... Before you joined the online apostate cowboys is having a crack at a man unknown to you, you'd have been wise to have made contact with him. You malign a man on the basis of a sentence he uttered in the extremely stressful situation of close colleague's funeral without even clarifying the matter with him!!!!! Is that encouraged and acceptable in your church? It's probably good that you don't work in any part of the justice system in your country! You did well in endorsing the words of Brad Lewis, that tells its own story....... Actually I've found your posts more revealing of RB than PL! With due respect I find your defence of the deity of Christ somewhat hollow and meaningless. You are so 'earnest and sincere' in this...all the while condemning a man about whom you admit you don't know what he believes! In your post you get off the subject of the thread on to other 'hobby horses' of yours! I notice the number of gripes and complaints you still labour under & keep in mind despite it being many years since you wisely left the church. Start a new thread for those & don't manipulate this thread to air them here. I'll respond with my experience on the new thread! Perhaps you could benefit from consulting a reasonable dictionary; one that also gives the etymology of a word. It will answer the simple question you raise about workers, divinity and deity....but that is for the new thread not this one which is about a funeral service. You say you don't comment on family? It is only from posts of yours that I know you had a father that lived and died as a member of the church you left. Gosh Review you're a nasty piece of work. I can't fathom that you're supposedly a 'worker' To have a dig at Ross about his late father is disgusting. And especially to patronizingly add 'dear' in front of it. You know why a lot of people leave your religion? I'll tell you why. It's because of the lack of love as displayed by a huge amount of your posts on this board. That lack of love runs through quite a few workers I've met in my time. All very busy upholding man made rules. (Of course I have met a few ministers who aren't like that) Gobsmacked.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 0:51:56 GMT -5
. Your posts show that you to grasp any and every opportunity to malign the church you once belonged to; the church your dear father lived as and died as a member of.The church your mother and probably other family members remain members of despite all your 'valid reasons' wny you left and why they should. This is surely a very odd comment for you to make. Condemning the churches of their fathers and mothers was the bedrock upon which the early tramp preachers built the new 2x2 sect in the early 1900's. The likes of Irvine (Presbyterianism), Cooney (Anglicanism) and Walker (Methodism) all very publicly condemned their former churches to the extent that they claimed that following the teachings of the clergy of such churches would lead the church goer to hell. Indeed so concerned was Cooney's father at his decision to abandon Anglicanism to throw in his lot with Irvine and his band of hell, fire and damnation preachers that he made it a condition of his will that Eddie could only receive his inheritance if he returned to the Church of Ireland. Of course workers these days no longer have to condemn the churches of their fathers and mothers as the overwhelming majority of workers are raised in the 2x2 church and their step into the work does not therefore require the rejection of their parents' belief system as was the case in the early days. 2x2ism has evolved into an inheritable entity just like any other religion with most members now merely continuing on in the ways of their forefathers. The work just isn't what it once was. Gone alas is the mighty religious zeal of the founders, sold in the market place for a smart suit and the convenience of a car and a couple of hours a week preaching amidst the security of a hired hall hidden behind a high hedge to an already converted audience. Never trust a man claiming to have knowledge of the truth if he hasn't changed his religion at least once. Matt10
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Post by whyisitso on Apr 18, 2015 2:33:20 GMT -5
Whyisitso, you are 'away with the fairies'. Having a dig at Ross about his late father? ? Explain yourself if you wish me to take any notice of your seemingly bizarre post. From all I have read of Ross's father (my only source being Ross' posts on this forum) I have respect for that dear godly old man knowing of the pain and heartache that surely would have been his at particular times in his life. I am very glad he is now with Christ which is far better. It appears he made a success of life in the truest and spiritual sense of the word! If you honestly don't 'get' what I said and need me to explain further I'm not even going to try because clearly we run on different wavelengths and no amount of explaining would help you 'get' it. But I see how you try and wriggle out of your arrogant words. You're very obviously a 2x2 worker with lots of experience at turning things around. Wishes
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Post by whyisitso on Apr 18, 2015 3:19:55 GMT -5
Thanks for enabling me to understand a little of the person you are! Im certainly not one to put up with your type of arrogance so I guess I'll say 'you're welcome'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 3:40:11 GMT -5
Matt 10 Sorry I can't understand your post & what you are getting at. Fear not, not everyone gets every point in every post every time. Understanding, like beauty, is often at the behest of the beholder. Anyway I've reviewed what I wrote and I'm reasonably satisfied that the point is reasonably clear and therefore I suggest any failure by the reader to understand is unlikely to be due to any deficiencies in the writing. Matt10
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Post by Mary on Apr 18, 2015 4:27:15 GMT -5
I'm thinking the majority of workers have no communication with the outside world apart from when they go shopping and the likes of that. At least review005 gets some contact by talking to those from outside his fellowship, something which few workers have. Most workers would not dare to tread outside their group. You say,review that Ross has nothing to offer spiritually in his posts but i have yet to see it in your posts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 5:28:01 GMT -5
In the war fare that is raging may the Good Lord grant us peace, perfect peace within our hearts. youtu.be/bJ4ofbkOY1wHavea Blessed day everyone, peace be unto you.
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Post by snow on Apr 18, 2015 11:24:55 GMT -5
Gosh Review you're a nasty piece of work. I can't fathom that you're supposedly a 'worker' To have a dig at Ross about his late father is disgusting. And especially to patronizingly add 'dear' in front of it. You know why a lot of people leave your religion? I'll tell you why. It's because of the lack of love as displayed by a huge amount of your posts on this board. That lack of love runs through quite a few workers I've met in my time. All very busy upholding man made rules. (Of course I have met a few ministers who aren't like that) Gobsmacked. Thanks for your support - I didn't expect that family would be brought into the picture. As I have said before, I do not know Peter Liddle. He had many nice things to say about his companion and I am sure he is doing it very tough in losing his friend and companion. Our sympathy and hearts go out to him in this situation. However, on this thread some people are questioning why Peter Liddle said "Jesus had a lot to do with sinners, he had a lot to do with self-righteous religious people, and he had a lot to do with some of the best men living on earth at that time, and He said that no one is good, not even himself. No one is good but my Father in Heaven". Jesus did not say this and as a result some (including myself) have asked the question - Why did Peter Liddle misquote the words of Jesus. Why did he say that Jesus said he was not good? It's a reasonable question given that a senior worker has said it. It does not line up with the Bible which is the Word of God. When we worship Christ as Thomas said "my Lord and my God" and you understand from Scripture that Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation, the creator of all things - in heaven and earth and that he is before all things and in him all things hold together, the head of the body and that in everything he is pre-eminent (Colossians 1) it should not be surprising that Christians defend Christ. They have from the earliest days of the church against Arius and others right through until the present day. Um Ross, Jesus clearly did say that no one was good other than God the Father. Even I have read that. Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.” And, since Jesus never referred to himself as God, I would say that technically Jesus did say only God was good and that leaves himself out of the equation. Now I know you're argument about this so I won't bother going into the trinity debate with you, but if you take these words at face value, only God is good.
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Post by emy on Apr 18, 2015 14:20:53 GMT -5
Um Ross, Jesus clearly did say that no one was good other than God the Father. Even I have read that. Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.” And, since Jesus never referred to himself as God, I would say that technically Jesus did say only God was good and that leaves himself out of the equation. Now I know you're argument about this so I won't bother going into the trinity debate with you, but if you take these words at face value, only God is good. Indeed!
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Post by otto2 on Apr 18, 2015 15:42:46 GMT -5
Peter Liddle has contacted me and asked me to post the following:
It's unfortunate that the sentence, "One other thought, Percy was a humble man", was not included at the beginning of the paragraph quoted, as this might have made my point clearer. Jesus' words came to mind in reference to the humility we saw in Percy. I think that every one of the numerous people present at Percy's funeral - people who knew him - would say that Percy was good; but to be called good meant very little to Percy.
That Jesus is good, and that He is divine whilst partaking of flesh and blood, I don't dispute. The last sentence, "none of us are good, we all need the mercy of God, we all need the cleansing that Jesus affords, and we're grateful for the hope that we have today", should show that I believe Jesus to be sinless and therefore able to offer us cleansing.
I acknowledge that it was a misquote to say that Jesus said, "No one is good but my Father in heaven", and apologise for having caused confusion, and possibly offence.
Peter Liddle
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Post by fixit on Apr 18, 2015 16:23:11 GMT -5
Here's the scripture being discussed...
NIV Mark 10:17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone".
KJV Mark 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
NIV Luke 18:18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone".
KJV Luke 18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
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Post by Ross.Bowden on Apr 18, 2015 19:12:19 GMT -5
Snow and others - thanks for the feedback. Jesus did not say directly that He was God but by his words and actions he proclaimed that he was God (the Son). The early church worshipped him as Lord and God. Paul and others referred to him as such. This has always been accepted by Christians from the early church down and is at the very centre of the Christian faith. Some critics may dismiss it as simply knowledge but it is far more than that. When we understand that the Holy Spirit is indwelling and that we have been adopted as sons of Christ and co-heirs of the promise it is incredibly humbling and moves us, in words I can't really describe, to respond to who He is and His amazing gift of grace. I came to understand this from the pages of the Bible, the Word of God. I was searching long and hard and could not reconcile many key Biblical passages including critically what happened at Calvary. It was long before I read any commentaries or any Christian books. Like Nate has said, I am encouraged that some workers and friends believe it but find it concerning that it is so often rejected in the fellowship in which I was brought up. There is a wonderful Christian book "The Everlasting God" written by a great Christian teacher Broughton Knox which is well worth reading. There are many shorter commentaries but the attached link puts it fairly succintly www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.htmlFor the record, I appreciate Peter Liddle's response. In my experience, workers do not often respond to dialogues such as this so I can only say that Peter must be a special kind of guy. That doesn't mean that Peter would agree with my views on Jesus or vice versa but dialogue is a great thing and is welcome. I well remember when John Winter, an English worker who has recently passed, was in New South Wales and he would call me sometimes to have coffee in the city. We had lovely chats, we didn't always agree but we could talk for a long time and we both listened to each other. He was a very humble Christian leader and I appreciated his fellowship. It is lovely to think that he is now with Christ, which is far better.
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Post by Ross.Bowden on Apr 18, 2015 22:50:18 GMT -5
Peter Liddle has been gracious enough to state that he misquoted the words of Jesus and has apologised for the confusion and for possibly causing offence.
This was the assertion of a number of folk (including myself) and I am grateful for Peter clearing the air. As I said previously, it is the mark of a gracious man. If I have offended Peter in my posts I am also sorry.
However, it is sad that when people who have left the fellowship (and also some who are still in it) stand up for Christ and the words he so clearly said that they are subject to a barrage of criticism from one of Peter's co-workers, called all kinds of names (apostate, cowboy, cigar smoker and the list goes on) and have their family commented on and brought into the mix, including my dear Dad who passed away last November.
In all of this criticism, not once did Peter's co-worker admit what was plain - that Peter had misquoted the words of Jesus. Peter has been gracious enough to do this and I thank him for it.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 18, 2015 23:06:31 GMT -5
Ross Bowden made incorrect, (offensive?) posts about a Christian whose beliefs and understanding he didn't know. The posts were based on one sentence from funeral notes that were incomplete. From his more recent long posts I see no evidence of regret or apology or that he has learnt the lesson in his error about how to post correctly and meaningfully about people he has never known or met. I notice Peter becomes "a special kind of guy" in bowden books by the end of the 2nd long post. Perhaps that is his expression of regret and apology for his earlier unpleasant incorrect posts? Workers have made incorrect and offensive remarks on occasion which 99% people let slide or move on from but what I find interesting about you Mr Review is that you seem to have a terrible hatred in you for anyone that dares to say anything different to what you believe. You dig deep in the barrel of hurtful remarks to make your point.Maybe it is because you have no control over them and it is this control factor that you get off on.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 18, 2015 23:07:55 GMT -5
Ross Bowden made incorrect, (offensive?) posts about a Christian whose beliefs and understanding he didn't know. The posts were based on one sentence from funeral notes that were incomplete. From his more recent long posts I see no evidence of regret or apology or that he has learnt the lesson in his error about how to post correctly and meaningfully about people he has never known or met. I notice Peter becomes "a special kind of guy" in bowden books by the end of the 2nd long post. Perhaps that is his expression of regret and apology for his earlier unpleasant incorrect posts? Review did you not read what Ross posted? I must say we are seeing your true colours now ! Have you learnt your lesson or are you perfect ?
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Post by Mary on Apr 18, 2015 23:37:54 GMT -5
I am wondering how some can believe that Jesus is sinless and yet not believe he is also good.
Thanks for your reply Peter. It speaks of your humility in being willing to respond.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 18, 2015 23:48:15 GMT -5
You are very entitled to your observation. But it is not mine alone and does not just relate to the church I attend. It is a standard Christian interpretation - nothing surprising there. If a minister at my church or any church I attended said that "Jesus said that he was not good..." there would be a lot of feedback. I was brought up to understand that people, particularly leaders should responsibility and accountability for what they say and do. Christian leaders are no different. I will always defend, to the utmost, the deity of Jesus Christ. It is an essential part of the Christian faith. Can I ask what you think Jesus meant when he said "why do you call me good, there is none Good but God?" Jesus will always point to and exalt the father. The father and the holy spirit will always exalt Christ.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 0:34:43 GMT -5
Thanks for your support - I didn't expect that family would be brought into the picture. As I have said before, I do not know Peter Liddle. He had many nice things to say about his companion and I am sure he is doing it very tough in losing his friend and companion. Our sympathy and hearts go out to him in this situation. However, on this thread some people are questioning why Peter Liddle said "Jesus had a lot to do with sinners, he had a lot to do with self-righteous religious people, and he had a lot to do with some of the best men living on earth at that time, and He said that no one is good, not even himself. No one is good but my Father in Heaven". Jesus did not say this and as a result some (including myself) have asked the question - Why did Peter Liddle misquote the words of Jesus. Why did he say that Jesus said he was not good? It's a reasonable question given that a senior worker has said it. It does not line up with the Bible which is the Word of God. When we worship Christ as Thomas said "my Lord and my God" and you understand from Scripture that Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation, the creator of all things - in heaven and earth and that he is before all things and in him all things hold together, the head of the body and that in everything he is pre-eminent (Colossians 1) it should not be surprising that Christians defend Christ. They have from the earliest days of the church against Arius and others right through until the present day. Um Ross, Jesus clearly did say that no one was good other than God the Father. Even I have read that. Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.” And, since Jesus never referred to himself as God, I would say that technically Jesus did say only God was good and that leaves himself out of the equation. Now I know you're argument about this so I won't bother going into the trinity debate with you, but if you take these words at face value, only God is good. you are right, whether or not we believe or not believe the trinity argument which by the way is not in the Bible Jesus did explicitly say “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.” which is in the Bible
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 0:38:29 GMT -5
I am wondering how some can believe that Jesus is sinless and yet not believe he is also good. Thanks for your reply Peter. It speaks of your humility in being willing to respond. who would do such a thing? according to the Bible Jesus
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 0:39:29 GMT -5
Can I ask what you think Jesus meant when he said "why do you call me good, there is none Good but God?" Jesus will always point to and exalt the father. The father and the holy spirit will always exalt Christ. to the top of the class there my dear
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Post by maryhig on Apr 19, 2015 1:16:55 GMT -5
Jesus meant what exactly he said, he also said, "without the father I can do nothing"! It was God's love and spirit in his heart that was good! The man was looking at the fleshly Jesus, he was pointing out that it's not Jesus the man that is good, but Christ and God in his heart, Jesus said "my Father is with me always"! Jesus had to be strengthened by God in the garden before he went through the crucifixion, God gave him strength, and he overcame Satan and never sinned although he was tempted just as we are! And now he is on the right hand of God giving us strength to go though this life also if we believe! Christ is perfect, because he is sinless and fought the good fight fighting Satan in his own ground and winning!
Also there is no trinity in the bible. There are three and they are the father, son and holy spirit, with one heart mind soul and strength! Just as we are one with them if Christ is in our hearts!
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Post by Ross.Bowden on Apr 19, 2015 1:25:06 GMT -5
Um Ross, Jesus clearly did say that no one was good other than God the Father. Even I have read that. Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.” And, since Jesus never referred to himself as God, I would say that technically Jesus did say only God was good and that leaves himself out of the equation. Now I know you're argument about this so I won't bother going into the trinity debate with you, but if you take these words at face value, only God is good. you are right, whether or not we believe or not believe the trinity argument which by the way is not in the Bible Jesus did explicitly say “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.” which is in the Bible Christ's words can be altered in all kinds of ways but Jesus did not say that no-one was good but His Father. I understand that many in the 2x2's believe that only the Father is God - I once believed this also. My question is what do these folk do with Jesus? Do they worship Him? Do they bow down to Him as the wise men did? The Bible insists that worship is to be directed to God alone. If Christ is not God (the Son) any worship of Him contravenes God's word. The Apostle Paul, who personally met with Jesus, declares that Jesus is our great God and Saviour. Jesus is worshipped several times in the gospels (Matthew 2:11, 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38, 20:28). Jesus never rejects such adoration bur rather accepts it.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 19, 2015 1:30:13 GMT -5
you are right, whether or not we believe or not believe the trinity argument which by the way is not in the Bible Jesus did explicitly say “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.” which is in the Bible Christ's words can be altered in all kinds of ways but Jesus did not say that no-one was good but His Father. I understand that many in the 2x2's believe that only the Father is God - I once believed this also. My question is what do these folk do with Jesus? Do they worship Him? Do they bow down to Him as the wise men did? The Bible insists that worship is to be directed to God alone. If Christ is not God (the Son) any worship of Him contravenes God's word. The Apostle Paul, who personally met with Jesus, declares that Jesus is our great God and Saviour. Jesus is worshipped several times in the gospels (Matthew 2:11, 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38, 20:28). Jesus never rejects such adoration bur rather accepts it. I worship only God alone, as Jesus taught me to! And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. The lords prayer says our father not our Trinity!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 19, 2015 2:01:51 GMT -5
you are right, whether or not we believe or not believe the trinity argument which by the way is not in the Bible Jesus did explicitly say “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.” which is in the Bible If there is only ONE God... Then why God the Father called the Son, " God and Lord" in Hebrews 1:8-12?
If there is only ONE God.... Then why Mary his earthly mother, John the apostle, Thomas, and Paul called Jesus "My God, and My Savior?1) 1) John the apostle wrote it so clearly in John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God. He was in the World, and the World was MADE by Him, and the world knew him NOT. And the Word was made flesh and dwell among us. The Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. Who do you SAY the Word is? 2) Paul wrote in I Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God! was manifest in the Flesh!, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, PREACHED to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.3) The apostle Thomas said to Jesus after the resurrection, "My Lord and My God" in John 20:24-29 4) Before! Jesus was born in Luke 2:46-47. Mary said, " My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior." ~~ If there is Only ONE God then why God the Father called the Son, and Jesus mother, apostles called him "Lord and God" Also? Why didn't Jesus refuse the title as "My God and My Lord" when they said it? He didn't tell Thomas, "Sorry, Thomas don't call me God and Lord." Jesus accepted Thomas words.Because God was in Jesus' heart, and they could see him. Just like you see the light in the moon and the stars. But they are not the sun! They shine the light in darkness and Jesus was that light to us! These people had their eyes opened. And saw God walking on this earth through his son! Jesus didn't live to please himself, he also had a choice and was tempted but he never sinned! He loved God completely giving up his life in the flesh for him, serving him daily. Teaching, living, healing, sharing and caring! Jesus the man in the flesh was dead (dead to sin)! Christ the spirit and God the father were alive in his heart. He was the total opposite to the people that he described as white washed seplechures full of dead men's bones! He was a dead man walking full of the life of God! He was the green tree. Giving off the holy fruit of God every day. He was Gods Christ, his Holy son, and I love him from the depths of my heart for all he has done for me! But I worship my God and Jesus' God. His father and my Father. There is only one God. The one and only Almighty God! And I love him with all my heart! 1Timothy3 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him There is one God, not three. That's what the Bible teaches us! There isn't a trinity mentioned anywhere in the bible!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 19, 2015 2:21:07 GMT -5
I worship only God alone, as Jesus taught me to! And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. The lords prayer says our father not our Trinity! Satan wanted Jesus to bow down and worship him. It goes something like this.... Jesus said to Satan, "NO! you got it backwards, Satan. You should worship me/I am the one created you. You're to worship me NOT me worshipping you!" For it is written, Thou shall worship the Lord thy God, and him only shall thou serve." Jesus part of the Godhead!Was Jesus worshipped during His earthly ministry? The Old Testament taught against worshiping anyone other than God. If Jesus accepted worship of Himself, this would mean He believed He was divine. Did Jesus receive worship from others? The New Testament reveals Jesus receiving worship on many occasions. Each time, Jesus accepted the worship. Matthew 8:2 notes a healed leper who worshipped Jesus. Later, a ruler knelt before Jesus after He had healed his Son. Matthew 9:18 states, "A ruler came in and knelt before him." The disciples worshipped Jesus after He walked on water. Matthew 14:33 shares, "Those in the boat worshipped him, saying, 'Truly you are the Son of God.'" A Canaanite woman worshipped Jesus. Matthew 15:25 notes, "she came and knelt before him, saying, 'Lord, help me.'" The mother of James and John also knelt in worship before Jesus. Matthew 20:20 shares, "Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came up to him with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something." Mark 5:6 describes a man worshiping Jesus who was tormented by evil spirits. We read, "when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and fell down before him." A healed blind man worshipped Jesus. John 9:38 states, He said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshipped him. Matthew 28:17 notes an occasion after the resurrection of Jesus when all of the disciples worshipped Jesus. We are told, "when they saw him they worshipped him." Thomas worshipped Jesus when he saw Him alive again. John 20:28 teaches that Thomas responded, "My Lord and my God!" In Hebrews 1:6 God the Father said about His begotten Son, "And let ALL the angels of God worship Him." They worshipped God in him! They saw the holy spirit of God in his heart! Their eyes and ears were opened! Just like you see the difference when you look out of the window in darkness compared to when you look out in the light! It's a totally different picture! And they could see a total different heart in him compared to what the pharasees saw! They saw God! Of the blind man it was said, And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking. After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly. Do you understand this Nathan? The people were seeing God on earth. Through Jesus and worshipped him! They were no longer blind! John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world. Jesus is the light, and when the light is on in our hearts, we will see and understand God clearly!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 19, 2015 2:25:35 GMT -5
Because God was in Jesus' heart, and they could see him. Just like you see the light in the moon and the stars. But they are not the sun! They shine the light in darkness and Jesus was that light to us! These people had their eyes opened. And saw God walking on this earth through his son! Jesus didn't live to please himself, he also had a choice and was tempted but he never sinned! He loved God completely giving up his life in the flesh for him, serving him daily. Teaching, living, healing, sharing and caring! Jesus the man in the flesh was dead (dead to sin)! Christ the spirit and God the father were alive in his heart. He was the total opposite to the people that he described as white washed seplechures full of dead men's bones! He was a dead man walking full of the life of God! He was the green tree. Giving off the holy fruit of God every day. He was Gods Christ, his Holy son, and I love him from the depths of my heart for all he has done for me! But I worship my God and Jesus' God. His father and my Father. There is only one God. The one and only Almighty God! And I love him with all my heart! 1Timothy3 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him There is one God, not three. That's what the Bible teaches us! There isn't a trinity mentioned anywhere in the bible! I John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. ~~ The Bible passages mention the Three Persons together.Matthew 3:16,17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: and lo a voice (the Father) from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matthew 28:19 Jesus said, "Go ye therefore, and teach ALL nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." II Cor. 13:14 "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all." John 3:34; 14:26; 15:26; 16:13-15. Romans 14:17,18; 15:13-17; 15:30. I Cor. 6:11, 17-19; 12:4-6. II Cor. 1:21; 22:2; 3:4-6. Gal. 2:21, 3:2, 4:6. The Triune God in the Old TestamentHowever, even though God is one of His essential being or nature, He is also three Persons. God (Elohim/Plural) said, " Let US! make man in OUR image." (Gen. 1:26) God said, "Behold, the man has become One of us." (Gen. 3:22). God's plural personality is alluded to here, for He could NOT be talking to angels in these instances, because angels could not and did not help God create. The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ, NOT the angels, created all things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:2). King David wrote in Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. King David wrote in Psalm 51:10 Create in me a clean heart O God; and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy presence; and take NOT thy Holy Spirit from me. Restore unto the joy of thy Salvation, and uphold me with thy Spirit. Genesis 1:1,2 In the beginning God/Elohim=Plural created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the earth. God said to the Son, " And thou Lord (Jesus) in the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands..." (Heb. 1:10,11) John wrote in (John 1:3,10) ALL things were made by Him (Jesus) and without him was not anything made that was made. He was in the world and the world was MADE by Him, and the world knew him not. All you are writing there is showing that Jesus is Gods son and without God he could do nothing! That's why God sent his Spirit at baptism, if Jesus was God that would not have needed to happen! I'm not going to argue with you. If you want to believe in a trinity, go ahead! But I don't.
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