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Post by rational on Apr 12, 2015 13:07:08 GMT -5
Has anyone else wondered why the Jews in this area were keeping three little piggies when they were banned from pork chop consumption? It was a gentile town.
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Post by Greg on Apr 12, 2015 14:40:36 GMT -5
Greg, so you totally disregard what I expressed, regarding being "2 and 2 go preachers?" No, of course it wasn't a name taken, however it was recognized as our identification.
But then, I was only raised in the group attending meeting after meeting while still in the womb, and deeply involved with it as totally indoctrinated for forty-five years, so perhaps that doesn't compare one bit with your own revelation of the 2 and 2 worker fellowship, even though it was built by them, organized by them and continues to this very day. Que sera, sera. I write from my experience, not from any revelation.
In my experiences, the preachers/ministers among the friends and workers were mostly called "workers'. There were workers list, workers pictures, workers tables, words such as "the workers are coming for the night" and "I wonder who will be our workers next year" and so forth. Did you have two and two go preachers lists, two and two go preachers pictures, and two and two go preachers tables? Were "the two and two go preachers are staying with us" and "I wonder what two and two go preachers will be visiting at convention" quite common in your experience, Dennis? Perhaps mostly in Europe?
NathanB is a confessed or professed "2x2". He calls the friends and workers "2x2s" and specifically the workers as "2x2 workers". The friends, as best as I can discern, he simply calls them "2x2s". He might be including the workers in that designation.
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Post by Greg on Apr 12, 2015 16:23:24 GMT -5
~~ NathanB: Greg, here are websites calling the workers and the friends "two by two". So, I wasn't the few who are calling us 2x2s. I don't believe they took my 2x2 terminology. The two by two terminology has existed for a long, long time I didn't invent it. I know you did not invent the term 2x2. Just a few minutes ago I recalled there being mention on this board of two F&W workers in Ireland (or nearby) that advertised meetings under the name "2x2". So, if they still are numbered (accepted by) the friends and workers, that would be two F&W that use the name "2x2" as an identifier. The beginning of a trend?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 13, 2015 1:08:14 GMT -5
Has anyone else wondered why the Jews in this area were keeping three little piggies when they were banned from pork chop consumption? It was a gentile town. So were the tombs for the Jews or the Gentiles and if for Jews, why would they have them in a Gentile town?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 13, 2015 1:59:25 GMT -5
Greg, I'm not sure that I understand what you are saying about "Jack Carroll was not a 2x2 worker."
Nor that "The 2x2's seem to have sprung up just lately."
Jack carroll was a worker who went out as worker with a companion worker like the others did at the beginning. Same as George Walker the others who went to other countries when they left Ireland.
Isn't the term 2x2's only been used as a term lately here on this board for what we always called THE TRUTH or THE WAY? (also now called the F&W's)
The friends and workers self-identify as the friends and workers. That is who they are, the friends and workers. NathanB has taken the name 2x2 for his own identifier (as has bert and perhaps a couple others) and has wrongly identified the friends and workers - past and present - as 2x2s. Greg, the "friends and workers" may self-identify as the friends and workers more today and really always did to a degree. If you were planning to go to another part of the country you would ask who the "friends" were in that part of the country so you find where the meetings were.
You would probably ask a "worker" who could give you an address.
I think that the name 2x2's came about on this & other boards as a way of more clearly helping understand that it was the religious group who sent out the workers as two companions together to preach. In my day was simply known as "THE TRUTH" or "THE WAY."
Now I'm telling you this because I'm assuming that you really didn't know this and not being obtuse !
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Post by Greg on Apr 13, 2015 2:43:04 GMT -5
The friends and workers self-identify as the friends and workers. That is who they are, the friends and workers. NathanB has taken the name 2x2 for his own identifier (as has bert and perhaps a couple others) and has wrongly identified the friends and workers - past and present - as 2x2s. Greg, the "friends and workers" may self-identify as the friends and workers more today and really always did to a degree. If you were planning to go to another part of the country you would ask who the "friends" were in that part of the country so you find where the meetings were.
You would probably ask a "worker" who could give you an address.
I think that the name 2x2's came about on this & other boards as a way of more clearly helping understand that it was the religious group who sent out the workers as two companions together to preach. In my day was simply known as "THE TRUTH" or "THE WAY."
Now I'm telling you this because I'm assuming that you really didn't know this and not being obtuse !
Knew that. Thanks.
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Post by rational on Apr 13, 2015 8:41:34 GMT -5
So were the tombs for the Jews or the Gentiles and if for Jews, why would they have them in a Gentile town? Did the story mention that the tombs were jewish? There are so many other questions that come to mind with the veracity of the story. How many people were possessed? Pigs feeding on a hillside? Was the sea near by? What was the name of the village? Since the demons could move from one entity to another were there 2,000 demons in the possessed people? When the pigs died wouldn't the demons pop out and move into other creatures? What would be better - one or two possessed men or 2,000 possessed dogs? Or wolves. Or honey bees. Wasps.
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Post by bitterbetty on Apr 13, 2015 14:31:28 GMT -5
I've got some relatives who are mentally ill. One was a much older cousin of mine who is now dead. She did not live a long life.
Her passing caused me to reflect on what she was like and also what type of toll it took on her immediate family. She couldn't be left alone much; needed supervision and never left home; lived with her parents. Growing up, they lived far away from us, clear across the country, so we weren't around her all that much.
In my opinion, she was not properly diagnosed for several years. They blamed her abnormalities on 'diet pills' that were prescribed to her as an adolescent back in the day when doctors were handing out essentially SPEED to patients who wanted to lose weight. The immediate family claimed that those diet pills 'messed her up', which may or may not be true. But later on, they came to terms with the fact that she was truly schizo and there are other members of the family, uncles, grandparents, etc, who are/were also schizo.
Back in the day these types of people were described as 'not being quite right'. The true diagnosis of schizophrenia was still considered a scary term.
What I find kind of sad today.....is that despite all the advances that have been made in medicine, there is STILL so much FEAR, shame and stigma attached to being mentally ill.
If people are ashamed of something, they tend to want to hide it instead of come out and seek help for it.
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Post by rational on Apr 13, 2015 15:44:27 GMT -5
]Yes, after the pigs died, the demons pop out and looking for other human bodies they could possess... Life goes on for them which is to torment others. Then the action of getting them out of 1 or 2 people's bodies and the possibility they would go on to torment 2,000 people seems to be a poor choice.
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Post by bitterbetty on Apr 13, 2015 16:45:50 GMT -5
I've got some relatives who are mentally ill. One was a much older cousin of mine who is now dead. She did not live a long life. Her passing caused me to reflect on what she was like and also what type of toll it took on her immediate family. She couldn't be left alone much; needed supervision and never left home; lived with her parents. Growing up, they lived far away from us, clear across the country, so we weren't around her all that much. In my opinion, she was not properly diagnosed for several years. They blamed her abnormalities on 'diet pills' that were prescribed to her as an adolescent back in the day when doctors were handing out essentially SPEED to patients who wanted to lose weight. The immediate family claimed that those diet pills 'messed her up', which may or may not be true. But later on, they came to terms with the fact that she was truly schizo and there are other members of the family, uncles, grandparents, etc, who are/were also schizo. Back in the day these types of people were described as 'not being quite right'. The true diagnosis of schizophrenia was still considered a scary term. What I find kind of sad today.....is that despite all the advances that have been made in medicine, there is STILL so much FEAR, shame and stigma attached to being mentally ill. If people are ashamed of something, they tend to want to hide it instead of come out and seek help for it. I agree people should NOT be ashamed to be on medication when they are mentally ill, learn about the side effects, and talk with your doctors often so they can try something other medication with having less side effects.Thanks Nate. I guess you could say communication is part of the key to getting well. For example, say you go into counseling for yourself, but hold back part of the truth of what your problem really is...Your counselor can only 'work' with what information they have and that information comes most likely from the patient. So being open and honest is part of the key to resolving the problem. Psyche issues run DEEP and LONG...there's usually a history that has taken place before the person (finally) gets help. These psyche issues don't go away quickly and then you are suddenly pronounced "all better". More likely it's a longer process than that. Another thing problem I see is that some people are in too big a hurry to get off the meds prematurely. But because the meds make them feel better they think they are 'all better' and therefore no longer need the meds. I cannot fault a person for desiring to medication-free, but in some cases, that is simply not the best choice. So, here is the million dollar question: Are they truly 'all better', or is it the medication that is making them feel better? I guess the only way to find out is for a person to explore that with their counselor and Dr. and other people they trust. But, what is the big rush to get off medication, I don't know. Anyways, just a few more thoughts.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Apr 13, 2015 17:57:37 GMT -5
I agree people should NOT be ashamed to be on medication when they are mentally ill, learn about the side effects, and talk with your doctors often so they can try something other medication with having less side effects. Thanks Nate. I guess you could say communication is part of the key to getting well. For example, say you go into counseling for yourself, but hold back part of the truth of what your problem really is...Your counselor can only 'work' with what information they have and that information comes most likely from the patient. So being open and honest is part of the key to resolving the problem. Psyche issues run DEEP and LONG...there's usually a history that has taken place before the person (finally) gets help. These psyche issues don't go away quickly and then you are suddenly pronounced "all better". More likely it's a longer process than that. Another thing problem I see is that some people are in too big a hurry to get off the meds prematurely. But because the meds make them feel better they think they are 'all better' and therefore no longer need the meds. I cannot fault a person for desiring to medication-free, but in some cases, that is simply not the best choice. So, here is the million dollar question: Are they truly 'all better', or is it the medication that is making them feel better? I guess the only way to find out is for a person to explore that with their counselor and Dr. and other people they trust. But, what is the big rush to get off medication, I don't know. Anyways, just a few more thoughts. Hmm. Yeah...what's the rush? But-to be fair, my attitude toward needing medication has changed over the years. While I never looked down on others for needing meds, I myself felt that FOR myself it was better to be medication-free and cope with life the natural way via various coping mechanisms. But mid-life has changed me. For one thing, I realize that in many cases, you simply cannot rush HEALING-and-you've got to give healing a certain amount of time for the healing process to be complete. For another thing, I've realized that I am not quite as resilient at mid-life as I was in my 20's and 30's. But, the good news is I am LESS likely to suffer in silence and refuse to seek help. I realize that life is happening too fast sometimes and there doesn't seem to be enough time, which can be frustrating. But when you reach mid-life and you see perhaps just how fast the years have flown by, perhaps you are less likely to waste your time on things that won't come to good fruition. I don't know if I'm making much sense. On the one hand, I say, "Take your time. What's the rush?". But-on the other hand I feel time is short!
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Post by bitterbetty on Apr 13, 2015 18:30:09 GMT -5
In a way I feel like this could be labeled the "pick on Nate" thread. But, he seems pretty resilient and still manages to answer people's post directed at him. Nate, have you hit mid-life yet? Just kidding. There are some things I really like about being older in mid-life. There are other things that are challenges. But, there have been various challenges THROUGHOUT my life. Some of the challenges just change or come in a different form. My tolerance level for certain things has changed in that I have more PATIENCE in some areas, but LESS patience in others. Does that make sense? Hmmm. Probably not. And, even though my nic is "bitterbetty", I'm not really bitter. I COULD be bitter; there are plenty things I could be bitter about, but I'm not and I'm glad for that.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Apr 13, 2015 18:57:18 GMT -5
Nate has shown both persistence and patience. And, with over 19,000 posts he has made, I'm surprised how long he has stuck around.
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Post by bitterbetty on Apr 13, 2015 19:05:31 GMT -5
I don't claim to be full of boundless wisdom, but I have learned some hard lessons along life's way. One thing that I think is important is for a person to make peace when they have the opportunity. Opportunities don't just come along any ole time, so you've got to make the most of the time you are given. As life just seems to fly by, the more I'm aware of that. Also, it's just not good or healthy to walk around with a bunch of pent-up bad feelings. Those feelings need to be dealt with, they need to come out; preferably in healthy ways or they will come out in unhealthy ways. Right now in my natural family, I've got two siblings who are not speaking to one another. This saddens me and makes my heart ache, but I cannot force the two parties to patch things up. Also, the issues that have caused the riff between them go back to their childhood and now they are both middle age. I wish they would both get help and get the issues resolved, because I know how fast time flies and it can just keep flying by to the end of your life and a person could die without making things 'right' with their very own family.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 19:34:18 GMT -5
I don't claim to be full of boundless wisdom, but I have learned some hard lessons along life's way. One thing that I think is important is for a person to make peace when they have the opportunity. Opportunities don't just come along any ole time, so you've got to make the most of the time you are given. As life just seems to fly by, the more I'm aware of that. Also, it's just not good or healthy to walk around with a bunch of pent-up bad feelings. Those feelings need to be dealt with, they need to come out; preferably in healthy ways or they will come out in unhealthy ways. Right now in my natural family, I've got two siblings who are not speaking to one another. This saddens me and makes my heart ache, but I cannot force the two parties to patch things up. Also, the issues that have caused the riff between them go back to their childhood and now they are both middle age. I wish they would both get help and get the issues resolved, because I know how fast time flies and it can just keep flying by to the end of your life and a person could die without making things 'right' with their very own family. Ma'am, while I believe what you have posted, I also believe what another wise woman told me: "Dennis, more often than not I have found it impossible to fix, having not broken it."
Perhaps more wisdom there, than in what I might be thinking?
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Apr 13, 2015 19:59:45 GMT -5
I don't claim to be full of boundless wisdom, but I have learned some hard lessons along life's way. One thing that I think is important is for a person to make peace when they have the opportunity. Opportunities don't just come along any ole time, so you've got to make the most of the time you are given. As life just seems to fly by, the more I'm aware of that. Also, it's just not good or healthy to walk around with a bunch of pent-up bad feelings. Those feelings need to be dealt with, they need to come out; preferably in healthy ways or they will come out in unhealthy ways. Right now in my natural family, I've got two siblings who are not speaking to one another. This saddens me and makes my heart ache, but I cannot force the two parties to patch things up. Also, the issues that have caused the riff between them go back to their childhood and now they are both middle age. I wish they would both get help and get the issues resolved, because I know how fast time flies and it can just keep flying by to the end of your life and a person could die without making things 'right' with their very own family. Sad when there is a riff so severe that people won't speak to one another. I would think at that point there is so much hurt/pain/anger they default to sort of ex-communicating one another or cutting one another off. And while we all know this isn't by far a good thing, we know it happens. We've read on this board several accounts of folks being excommunicated.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 14, 2015 2:01:42 GMT -5
]Yes, after the pigs died, the demons pop out and looking for other human bodies they could possess... Life goes on for them which is to torment others. Then the action of getting them out of 1 or 2 people's bodies and the possibility they would go on to torment 2,000 people seems to be a poor choice. Is there any known medical condition that could have caused this migration of madness from one species to another.
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Post by rational on Apr 14, 2015 9:23:33 GMT -5
Then the action of getting them out of 1 or 2 people's bodies and the possibility they would go on to torment 2,000 people seems to be a poor choice. Is there any known medical condition that could have caused this migration of madness from one species to another. I think the Latin term for the condition is irrationalis cogitatio.
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Post by xna on Apr 14, 2015 10:42:01 GMT -5
Then the action of getting them out of 1 or 2 people's bodies and the possibility they would go on to torment 2,000 people seems to be a poor choice. Is there any known medical condition that could have caused this migration of madness from one species to another. Mass Hysteria en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteriaRabies, Mad Cow disease, ...
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Post by snow on Apr 14, 2015 11:27:51 GMT -5
Nate has shown both persistence and patience. And, with over 19,000 posts he has made, I'm surprised how long he has stuck around. Thanks, I have met some of the most amazing people and thinkers on here, Rational, snow, dmg, greg, Whathat, RossB, mlw, BobW, Bubbles, Dennis J. Cherie K our historian friend, and many more in the last 18 yrs posting on TMB. They have helped me improving in my thinking, faith in God so I don't mind to stick around a little longer.I hope you stick around too!
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Post by rational on Apr 14, 2015 11:33:07 GMT -5
The exorcist 1973 based on a true story ... To non-believers this look like a MAD Cow disease because that is the best the can come up with. It's beyond their comprehension. No one looks at this as mad cow disease. But the explanation for events like the one at Loudun France and Salem Massachusetts were probably due to mass hysteria. It also ties in with moral panic to produce such things as kids photos on milk cartons and the hyper-fear of strangers who are going to abuse children. As someone pointed out this film was released at around the same time Anneliese Michel was being killed to cure her of demonic possession.
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Post by bitterbetty on Apr 14, 2015 11:35:53 GMT -5
I don't claim to be full of boundless wisdom, but I have learned some hard lessons along life's way. One thing that I think is important is for a person to make peace when they have the opportunity. Opportunities don't just come along any ole time, so you've got to make the most of the time you are given. As life just seems to fly by, the more I'm aware of that. Also, it's just not good or healthy to walk around with a bunch of pent-up bad feelings. Those feelings need to be dealt with, they need to come out; preferably in healthy ways or they will come out in unhealthy ways. Right now in my natural family, I've got two siblings who are not speaking to one another. This saddens me and makes my heart ache, but I cannot force the two parties to patch things up. Also, the issues that have caused the riff between them go back to their childhood and now they are both middle age. I wish they would both get help and get the issues resolved, because I know how fast time flies and it can just keep flying by to the end of your life and a person could die without making things 'right' with their very own family. Ma'am, while I believe what you have posted, I also believe what another wise woman told me: "Dennis, more often than not I have found it impossible to fix, having not broken it."
Perhaps more wisdom there, than in what I might be thinking?Thanks, Dennis for your kindness and understanding. I am sending you a pm..
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Post by bitterbetty on Apr 14, 2015 16:07:59 GMT -5
It seemed the demons were active 1940s in USA and Germany in 1970s. Like I said this earth is their home planet for millions, billions of years. They live here among us, humans are invading their homes, and they are NOT very HAPPY about it so they want to take/keep our souls for eternity. Jesus and his servant came to set us free from Satan, the demon bondage/possession, grip, hold on us.In the late 1940s, priests of the Catholic Church performed a series of exorcisms on an anonymous boy, documented under the pseudonym "Roland Doe" or "Robbie Mannheim". The boy, born circa 1936, was the supposed victim of demonic possession, and the events were recorded by the attending priest, Raymond Bishop. Subsequent supernatural claims surrounding the events went on to inspire the 1971 novel The Exorcist by William Peter Blatty and the 1973 film adaptation.[1] Roland was born into a German Lutheran family. During the 1940s the family lived in Cottage City, Maryland.[1] According to Allen, Roland was an only child and depended upon adults in his household for playmates, primarily his Aunt Harriet. His aunt, who was a spiritualist, introduced Roland to the Ouija board when he expressed interest in it.[5] According to Thomas B. Allen, after Aunt Harriet's death the family experienced strange noises, furniture moving on its own accord and ordinary objects flying or levitating when the boy was nearby. The family turned to their Lutheran pastor, Luther Miles Schulze, for help. Long interested in parapsychology, Schulze arranged for the boy to spend a night in his home in order to observe him.[5] When parapsychologist J.B. Rhine learned that Schulze claimed he witnessed household objects and furniture seemingly moving by themselves, Rhine "wondered if Schulze “unconsciously exaggerated” some of the facts."[1] Schulze advised the boy's parents to "see a Catholic priest".[5] According to the traditional story, the boy then underwent a number of exorcisms. Edward Hughes, a Roman Catholic priest, conducted an exorcism on Roland at Georgetown University Hospital, a Jesuit institution.[1] During the exorcism, the boy allegedly slipped one of his hands out of the restraints; broke a bedspring from under the mattress, and used it as an impromptu weapon, slashing the priest's arm and resulting in the exorcism ritual being halted. The family traveled to St. Louis, where Roland's cousin contacted one of his professors at St. Louis University, Raymond J. Bishop, who in turn spoke to William S. Bowdern, an associate of College Church. Together, both priests visited Roland in his relatives' home, where they allegedly observed a shaking bed, flying objects, the boy speaking in a guttural voice, and exhibiting an aversion to anything sacred. Bowdern was granted permission from the archbishop to perform another exorcism. Before the next exorcism ritual began, another priest, Walter Halloran, was called to the psychiatric wing of the hospital, where he was asked to assist Bowdern.[6] William Van Roo, a third Jesuit priest, was also there to assist.[6] Halloran stated that during this scene words such as "evil" and "hell", along with other various marks, appeared on the teenager's body.[6] Ostensibly, during the Litany of the Saints portion of the exorcism ritual, the boy's mattress began to shake.[5] Moreover, Roland broke Halloran's nose during the process.[6] Halloran told a reporter that after that rite was over, the anonymous subject of the exorcism went on to lead "a rather ordinary life."[6]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism_of_Roland_DoePaul wrote in II Cor. 4:3-5 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. Nate, Thanks for all you've contributed to this subject. As a believer I feel it is very important,but too often gets written off as "simply not possible" (for someone to be under the influence of demonic powers). No human is COMPLETELY immune, but I also believe, thank goodness that we have great power on our side and need to pray for guidance and protection and for the protection of others. Remember who perhaps Satan would love to employ the most-wasn't it Peter who was SO useful in God's Kingdom. My professing mother does not take this threat/power of darkness serious enough in my opinion. She is being deceived, which is how the enemy works most efficiently (via deceit). Well, I am likely preaching to the choir here. I would be interested in what you thoughts are on how a person can best 'arm' their self against the powers of darkness.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Apr 14, 2015 16:19:59 GMT -5
I had a very bad experience with a Ouija board as a youngster. Given to us as a Christmas gift back in the day when they were becoming popular. We ended up burning it in the wood stove when it revealed itself as being powered by the devil and started flying all over the place. I was only 12 or 13 at the time. My mom didn't really know what to do. One of my sisters thought it was cool. My wonderful, calm, grounded auntie was there and offered comfort. But it was my OTHER sister who took the matter in her own hands and shoved that sucker into the stove to burn. Somewhere she had heard that was the only way to get rid of it and be cleansed of the evil spirit.
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Post by rational on Apr 14, 2015 16:23:40 GMT -5
It seemed the demons were active 1940s in USA and Germany in 1970s. Like I said this earth is their home planet for millions, billions of years. They live here among us, humans are invading their homes, and they are NOT very HAPPY about it so they want to take/keep our souls for eternity. It is almost as if mass hysteria spread and them people realized the foolishness of it but then in another generation the hysteria sweeps back again. Do the demons get points for the souls they collect? Can the souls be exchanged for prizes/merchandise like credit card points? Or is it like the old S&H stamp program? You keep saying the evil spirits want people's souls. What do demons want with the souls? what do they do with them?
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Post by bitterbetty on Apr 14, 2015 17:32:12 GMT -5
It seemed the demons were active 1940s in USA and Germany in 1970s. Like I said this earth is their home planet for millions, billions of years. They live here among us, humans are invading their homes, and they are NOT very HAPPY about it so they want to take/keep our souls for eternity. It is almost as if mass hysteria spread and them people realized the foolishness of it but then in another generation the hysteria sweeps back again. Do the demons get points for the souls they collect? Can the souls be exchanged for prizes/merchandise like credit card points? Or is it like the old S&H stamp program? You keep saying the evil spirits want people's souls. What do demons want with the souls? what do they do with them? I really should let Nate answer your questions, rash, as it is actually Nate you have quoted here. As for myself, I don't know what they want with all those souls unless it is simply to take them away from God. They are working against the Lord in whatever way, shape, or form they can. They will 'pose' as harmless, fun things; feel-good things and many of us have been fooled/deceived. Anything that takes a person away from their Godly place or calling...They like to get in when a person is 'feeling bad' and take root; any open window or door anytime they can get a wedge in, they will and it can happen seemingly innocent enough. Some churches believe that demons are anything considered sinful, such as alcohol & drug abuse, fornication; they think it's all the work of a demon. Now, the question has been asked: How you tell the difference between a demon possession and mental illness? I don't have an answer for that, but I wouldn't count demons out either.
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Post by rational on Apr 14, 2015 17:52:43 GMT -5
It is almost as if mass hysteria spread and them people realized the foolishness of it but then in another generation the hysteria sweeps back again. Do the demons get points for the souls they collect? Can the souls be exchanged for prizes/merchandise like credit card points? Or is it like the old S&H stamp program? You keep saying the evil spirits want people's souls. What do demons want with the souls? what do they do with them? I really should let Nate answer your questions, rash, as it is actually Nate you have quoted here. Sorry - my mistake. I corrected the post above.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Apr 14, 2015 18:01:10 GMT -5
It is almost as if mass hysteria spread and them people realized the foolishness of it but then in another generation the hysteria sweeps back again. Do the demons get points for the souls they collect? Can the souls be exchanged for prizes/merchandise like credit card points? Or is it like the old S&H stamp program? You keep saying the evil spirits want people's souls. What do demons want with the souls? what do they do with them? I really should let Nate answer your questions, rash, as it is actually Nate you have quoted here. As for myself, I don't know what they want with all those souls unless it is simply to take them away from God. They are working against the Lord in whatever way, shape, or form they can. They will 'pose' as harmless, fun things; feel-good things and many of us have been fooled/deceived. Anything that takes a person away from their Godly place or calling...They like to get in when a person is 'feeling bad' and take root; any open window or door anytime they can get a wedge in, they will and it can happen seemingly innocent enough. Some churches believe that demons are anything considered sinful, such as alcohol & drug abuse, fornication; they think it's all the work of a demon. Now, the question has been asked: How you tell the difference between a demon possession and mental illness? I don't have an answer for that, but I wouldn't count demons out either. BitterBetty, I think it's more than just stealing souls, though that is serious enough, for sure... Think about God and what His goals/desires are for people: Perfect Peace, isn't it? So then, I would suspect demons could be at play anytime you are robbed of the Peace of God. They want to upset the Peace of God and this is one way they work against God; by disturbing the peace. I've seen it happen over and over again. I've even seen this type of thing among the friends and other Christians. Just because someone is professing doesn't mean they never have a bad spirit or never bring a bad spirit into a gathering.
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