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Post by rational on Apr 4, 2015 7:32:22 GMT -5
Not from any source other than Paul Begley. Not really a man to be taken at his word. hahaha... You're a true blue atheist. However, I believe God drowned/buried Pharaoh's 600 chariots of fire and most of his army of soldiers in the Red Sea for going after His chosen race of people, who would bring forth the Lord God Savior/Yeshua into the world. The 10 plagues in Egypt and the death of Pharaoh's army at the bottom of the Red Sea proved to the world that the worshipers/followers and the gods of underworld was no match for the Almighty God of Israel Yahweh.Maybe you should shift to believing the wheels were made of titanium. It is strong and will survive for a longer time.
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Post by rational on Apr 4, 2015 19:13:46 GMT -5
I don't believe the Egyptians knew anything about titanium back then and if they did they would have tried it. I believe they made the wheels and axles from Iron and gold. The Exodus is thought to be about 1500BCE. When was iron smelted in Egypt?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 4, 2015 19:49:39 GMT -5
The photos presented are all from Wyatt. They are as phoney as he was. Now that Ron is dead Jonathan Gray, Ross Patterson, and Evan Sadler, among others, continue to promote his fraudulent stories and get the gullible to send them money. You're entitled to your opinion and I have mine. I believe in the Bible story that God drowned Pharaoh's 600 chariots of iron in the Red Sea when they were chasing the children of Israel with the intention to stop them before they reach the Promised land.This is NOT from Ron..... 400 human skeletons, 100 weapons, vest armors, blades/swords, two war chariots intact, 5000 bodies/skeletons scattered nearby, are found at the bottom of Red Sea. "Egyptian Pharaoh's Army" Bones Found In The Red Sea Archaeologists Confirm www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8MQeasnItQ Nathan, What do you mean, "This is NOT from Ron?"
This link that you just posted: www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8MQeasnItQ goes right to a video of him speaking!
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Post by rational on Apr 4, 2015 20:29:30 GMT -5
You're entitled to your opinion and I have mine. I believe in the Bible story that God drowned Pharaoh's 600 chariots of iron in the Red Sea when they were chasing the children of Israel with the intention to stop them before they reach the Promised land.This is NOT from Ron..... 400 human skeletons, 100 weapons, vest armors, blades/swords, two war chariots intact, 5000 bodies/skeletons scattered nearby, are found at the bottom of Red Sea. "Egyptian Pharaoh's Army" Bones Found In The Red Sea Archaeologists Confirm www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8MQeasnItQ Nathan, What do you mean, "This is NOT from Ron?"
This link that you just posted: www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8MQeasnItQ goes right to a video of him speaking!
Perhaps we should rethink. Look at this from the World News Daily Report
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Post by snow on Apr 4, 2015 21:53:27 GMT -5
I see they found Joseph Smith's Golden Plates too!! Looks like the Mormons are authentic after all! And the X-Ray vision app.... well lets not go there! Amazing Rational, whoda thunk it.
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Post by rational on Apr 4, 2015 22:27:11 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Apr 4, 2015 22:39:23 GMT -5
The Exodus is thought to be about 1500BCE. When was iron smelted in Egypt? Who Discovered Iron?
Iron has been mined and used since 3000 BC, but who actually discovered it is something that is still unknown. Many theories have been speculated on, but none of them can be accurately validated.
www.buzzle.com/articles/who-discovered-iron.html
It seemed Pharaoh knew how to melted the iron for his chariots axles.
Sadly, NathanB, buzzle.com doesn't carry a lot of weight. However, According to Cardiff University’s Paul Nicholson in his 2000 book, Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technology, “the availability of iron on anything but a fortuitous or sporadic scale had to await the development of iron smelting.”
The relatively late adoption of this technology owes more to the complexitities of the processes than to a lack of supplies, since iron ores are actually abundant world-wide. Iron production requires temperatures of around 1,100—1,150 °C.
Iron smelting didn’t appear in Egypt until the 6th century B.C., 2700 years after the estimated date of the iron beads.Read more. (buzzle.com or smithsonian.com - who do you trust for facts?)6 th century. That is about 1,000 years too late.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 4, 2015 22:51:16 GMT -5
Ah, yes! I see now! The World News Daily Report is a much more legit source! "Noteworthy for such preposterous headlines as "Dead Cow Brought Back to Life by Lightning" and "Kentucky Man Sentenced to 235,451 Years in Jail," this tabloid-style site emphasizes the "faux" in faux journalism.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 4, 2015 22:54:35 GMT -5
Thanks, Rational for the article. Good to have different sources than Ron W. Oh Nathan!
You actually also believe the World News Daily Report?
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Post by rational on Apr 4, 2015 23:17:29 GMT -5
Thanks, Rational for the article. Good to have different sources than Ron W. And this, NathanB, is why you need to go back and look at what you call your sources. This is not a different source. But it is a different person writing fiction as entertainment. At least the World News Daily Report publishes a disclaimer that includes the following: WNDR assumes however all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content. All characters appearing in the articles in this website – even those based on real people – are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any persons, living, dead, or undead is purely a miracle.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 5, 2015 2:39:28 GMT -5
Dmg, the man spok in the below Video is Paul Begley NOT Ron W."Egyptian Pharaoh's Army" Bones Found In The Red Sea Archaeologists Confirm. www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8MQeasnItQ and he read the information from this site. www.donotlink.com/framed?575965 I believe 99.9% of the atheists will NEVER believe it, because they want to hang on to their own belief there is no God or life after death. They don't want to admit that they are wrong so, the atheitis will continue to fight till the day they die just like Pharaoh of Egypt in Moses days. I believe 100% ONLY after Death, that the true blue atheists will find out about God and believe in Him but it will be too late.
Hebrews 1:7-8 Therefore as the Holy Ghost saith: “Today if ye will hear His voice, harden not your hearts as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness, when your fathers tempted Me, proved Me, and saw My works forty years. Therefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, ‘They do always err in their heart, and they have not known My ways.’ So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter into My rest.’”
You are right it was Paul Begley.
HOWEVER, It is not a matter of how many atheists don't believe it, it is a matter how many credible biblical scholars DON'T believe it!
If you read the article in the World News Daily Report this supposed Professor Abdel Muhammad Gader who is supposed to be associated with Cairo University’s Faculty of Archaeology is nowhere to be found at that reputable University!
He is a fraud, FRAUD! It is a hoax pure & simple.
Just google the article & see his name, Professor Abdel Muhammad Gaderthen then go & google Cairo University’s Faculty of Archaeology where it states that he is associated with. He is woefully lacking from the any association with that venerable & reputable university!
You need to check not only the source of such trash, check the credentials BEHIND the sources and then check the person's credentials! You can't just believe that someone knows what they are talking about because they call them themselves "Professor!"
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 5, 2015 5:12:19 GMT -5
It is too bad some people take truthful archeology finding and put some fake name of archeologist and on some crappy site to discredit the truth.
Here is the legit archeology of Pharaoh's army buried in the Red SeaWND EXCLUSIVE Chariots in Red Sea: 'Irrefutable evidence' 'Horse and human remains strewn like battlefield wreckage' Published: 06/07/2012 at 8:36 PM www.wnd.com/2012/06/chariots-in-red-sea-irrefutable-evidence/www.wnd.com/2003/06/19382/ Nathan, you are being conned but since that seems to be what you want to believe, go ahead & believe it.
It is probably harmless to you but I would hate to see you conned on something of vital importance to your life, - health, money etc. I will not try to enlighten you any further because I think that for some odd reason you need such reassurance for your beliefs no matter how unlikely they are.
Good night.
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Post by snow on Apr 5, 2015 10:15:20 GMT -5
It is too bad some people take truthful archeology finding and put some fake name of archeologist and on some crappy site to discredit the truth.
Here is the legit archeology of Pharaoh's army buried in the Red SeaWND EXCLUSIVE Chariots in Red Sea: 'Irrefutable evidence' 'Horse and human remains strewn like battlefield wreckage' Published: 06/07/2012 at 8:36 PM www.wnd.com/2012/06/chariots-in-red-sea-irrefutable-evidence/www.wnd.com/2003/06/19382/ Nathan it happens all the time, and the point behind showing you this is so you understand that many of the sites that you find authentic just aren't. It's important to check out the things you think are true because many false things get published as truth. Dig deeper to see if some of these people that put their names on things, even exist? Then do a background search as to what has been found out about them. Have they been found to be con men and frauds?
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Post by rational on Apr 5, 2015 10:59:06 GMT -5
It is too bad some people take truthful archeology finding and put some fake name of archeologist and on some crappy site to discredit the truth. NathanB, Ron Wyatt has been discredited by everyone to whom he has shown his "discoveries". He has cheated people out of tens of thousands of dollars.
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Post by snow on Apr 5, 2015 12:36:51 GMT -5
Nathan it happens all the time, and the point behind showing you this is so you understand that many of the sites that you find authentic just aren't. It's important to check out the things you think are true because many false things get published as truth. Dig deeper to see if some of these people that put their names on things, even exist? Then do a background search as to what has been found out about them. Have they been found to be con men and frauds? Thanks, snow. I agree... I am very careful of the information, which I post on my 2x2 message board so I have deleted the site which Rational posted.That's good that you did that. It's a satirical site and not true.
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Post by rational on Apr 5, 2015 13:21:22 GMT -5
With you, most of everything about God is false, people do it for the money. This has nothing to do with god. It has to do with Ron Wyatt and his family/friends who have taken a lot of money from people by telling lies. Even Ron's sons have told about his deceit.Have I ever said you were asking for money or that you have cheated anyone? Nope. I have only pointed to the questionable material you have presented. You present Ron Wyatt's finds as facts when they have been disproved multiple times. Even the Turkish government has denied his claims.
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Post by rational on Apr 5, 2015 15:44:13 GMT -5
Thanks, rational for knowing that I don't take anyone's money or asking for it for my work. I do it because I love and care for the souls of men and women Salvation. I am NOT doing for the money. On my message board I try to present multiple sources and let the readers decide to believe it or NOT, the choice is up to them to make.NBo, NathanB, you don't. The last time I looked on your message board there was not a word about the fact that virtually all of Ron Wyatt's claims had been rejected by everyone who examined them. There was nothing about the fact that Howard Menger had been caught charging people to look at entities that he claimed to be aliens but were people close to him putting on an act. If you want to be honest present both sides of the story. Explain that Stranges, and now is wife, made a living selling the fables they made up. Post some scientific articles that tell about the conditions on Venus. Ask the question of why the claim that Valiant Thor has 6 digits is contradicted by supposed photos of him.
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Post by rational on Apr 5, 2015 17:58:03 GMT -5
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Post by christiansburg on Apr 7, 2015 11:05:59 GMT -5
The commentaries I have read on this verse are along the following lines: "The disciples take Jesus' remarks literally and incorrectly. They note that they have two swords, but Jesus cuts off the discussion. Something is not right, but it is too late to discuss it. As the arrest will show, they have misunderstood. They draw swords then, but Jesus stops their defense in its tracks. He is not telling them to buy swords to wield in physical battle. They will have to provide for themselves and fend for themselves, but not through the shedding of blood. They are being drawn into a great cosmic struggle, and they must fight with spiritual swords and resources. The purchase of swords serves only to picture this coming battle. This fight requires special weapons (Eph 6:10-18)." When we were leaving meetings we asked the local Head Worker to explain this verse in the context of Matthew 10. He said that Jesus wanted Matthew 10 to always apply but he changed his mind in Luke 22 and gave into the disciples because they had sinful hearts and wanted earthly things..... We scratched our heads and said "really, you think that..." and moved onto the next topic. This explanatory comment is so off the wall. It shows a lack of scriptural understanding. I will not venture to go through that here but I think you can figure it out. That event did nothing but merely reckon Christ among the transgressors, as he said, so that the ancient scriptures would be fulfilled.
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Post by rational on Apr 7, 2015 13:51:59 GMT -5
The disciples take Jesus' remarks literally and incorrectly. They note that they have two swords, but Jesus cuts off the discussion. Does Jesus cut off the discussion or was it just not recorded? There were certainly a lot of things that Jesus said that were 'cut off'.He suggested they sell their cloaks to buy the swords. What item do you think he meant them to purchase with the funds they received for their cloaks?Where would they have purchased a spiritual sword? The text, as written, makes sense. Sell whatever you have to and purchase a sword. Is 'special' meaning being applied because christians do not like the idea of Jesus telling his followers to arm themselves?
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Post by rational on Apr 7, 2015 13:57:16 GMT -5
Dmg, the man spok in the below Video is Paul Begley NOT Ron W. "Egyptian Pharaoh's Army" Bones Found In The Red Sea Archaeologists Confirm. and he read the information from this site. www.donotlink.com/framed?575965 Yes he did NathanB. And he, like you, did not look into the source. The site itself states that it published satire and fiction disguised as news for entertainment. Like The Onion. His source for the story is a site that says it does not publish facts. Yet you present Paul Begley as verification that the Ron Wyatt stories are true.
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Post by rational on Apr 7, 2015 14:36:33 GMT -5
Is Ron Wyatt a Liar? ("They've found Pharoah's chariots on the bottom of the Red Sea") or is he telling the Truth. Watch this! His sons have admitted Ron planted the evidence he photographed. He also claimed to have removed a wheel. Where is it? Sounds like J. Smith's tablets of gold!
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Post by blacksheep on Apr 7, 2015 14:40:45 GMT -5
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Post by blacksheep on Apr 7, 2015 15:40:51 GMT -5
It has been theorized that a man in this Toyota was chasing a bunch of Israelites when the Detroit River swallowed him up, car and all. If you look closely, you can plainly see a wheel.
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Post by rational on Apr 7, 2015 15:54:28 GMT -5
It has been theorized that a man in this Toyota was chasing a bunch of Israelites when the Detroit River swallowed him up, car and all. If you look closely, you can plainly see a wheel. I heard that when it was pulled out of the river it was still running. It was taken to the local auto dealer who immediately claimed that this was the same car he sold to a descendent of Moses. In the rear seat were tablets with the 10 Commandments and Aaron's rod. But alas, the car dealer has misplaced them so you will just have to trust the photos. I am pretty sure there were in the back seat and were damaged in the crash. Oddly enough the candles kept burning.
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Post by rational on Apr 7, 2015 15:57:53 GMT -5
WHO do you THINK is a liar or a suckered now? Anyone claiming this is actually a chariot wheel from the biblical exodus would fit the description of a liar and anyone who believes stories like these, without any proof, would be the one suckered. Anyone selling DVDs making these claims should be jailed. Anyone buying them ... well, there is one born every minute.
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Post by rational on Apr 8, 2015 6:51:33 GMT -5
Anyone claiming this is actually a chariot wheel from the biblical exodus would fit the description of a liar and anyone who believes stories like these, without any proof, would be the one suckered. Anyone selling DVDs making these claims should be jailed. Anyone buying them ... well, there is one born every minute. Like I wrote before you're one hardcore atheist. You're going to fight against God until the day you die, it will be a great and wonder miracle if you ever see the light. The angels in Heaven will celebrate for joy, one month long I will join in and clapping my hands. Like I said before, this has nothing to do with god. It has to do with a deluded con man who is making money from gullible people.
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Post by rational on Apr 8, 2015 13:32:21 GMT -5
Like I said before, this has nothing to do with god. It has to do with a deluded con man who is making money from gullible people. It takes money to travel, paying for hotels, buy food, money for gas, on lecturing talks in different places around the world sharing your finding with others. Selling DVDs, books, asking for donation are revenues to make lecturing tours possible.It does and I wish I could afford to travel around the world. But I just can't bring myself to fake artifacts and sell the photos to the gullible to pay for it. This was not dirtected at you. Look here NathanBNathanB Someone besides me can see that Ron is not all he claims. The Great Christian Scam.Even Christian Sites are speaking out against this fraud.
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