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Post by rational on Mar 20, 2015 22:53:32 GMT -5
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Why do you allow certain people on this board to disrect others believe in God? Why do you allow certain people to talk down and act superior to others? Well I am not an administrator or moderator of the forum so I cannot give the correct and clear answer, but I believe that on a Public forum like this, in free countries like ours, everyone is allowed the freedom of expression as long as they obey the rules. I am not so sure that they wilfully talk down or up to others or act superior to others, that may very well be an interpretation or value judgment based on perceptions and observations. However one is free to use the " Ignore" facilities provided on the forum, I myself make good use of it from time to time. I believe the 'Ignore' function has been replaced by the 'Block' function.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 3:47:15 GMT -5
Well I am not an administrator or moderator of the forum so I cannot give the correct and clear answer, but I believe that on a Public forum like this, in free countries like ours, everyone is allowed the freedom of expression as long as they obey the rules. I am not so sure that they wilfully talk down or up to others or act superior to others, that may very well be an interpretation or value judgment based on perceptions and observations. However one is free to use the " Ignore" facilities provided on the forum, I myself make good use of it from time to time. I believe the 'Ignore' function has been replaced by the 'Block' function. Oh, really? Not a bad idea. ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 9:15:17 GMT -5
If this is the way the board wants to deal with issues fine. I think you are driving others away with the present way things are on the board. It reminds me alot of my involment with the workers and the elder in my last meeting. For that reason i have no reason to offer anything else to this board. The workers and friends pushed me away and so are the bullies and the one still part of "truth" that show no love or compassion toward their fellow man.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 9:39:11 GMT -5
Marie, for myself, I found it necessary to put some posters on my own "ignore" not the forum's block list, long ago. It has to do with why one is here. If it is only for our own need, then at times, to my mind, fleeing, leaving, is the best answer.
If, on the other hand, our purpose in being here is to try to be of help to even just one other, then, by all means, put the offenders on your personal ignore list, and continue to post here. Each of us need to remember, we are neither obligated nor required to pay any heed to anyone's posts here, nor they ours. What ever you decide, may you find peace.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 10:54:15 GMT -5
If this is the way the board wants to deal with issues fine. I think you are driving others away with the present way things are on the board. It reminds me alot of my involment with the workers and the elder in my last meeting. For that reason i have no reason to offer anything else to this board. The workers and friends pushed me away and so are the bullies and the one still part of "truth" that show no love or compassion toward their fellow man. Marie, I emphasize with you because I got to that point late last year and became so frustrated that I closed my account. On reflection I thought to myself why let myself be frustrated by others' opinions and pronouncements that I do not agree with and deprive myself of the opportunities to shares and support the opinions and pronouncement that I do agree with. So I rejoined the forum as a new member with the mind set of "live and let live." Stand up to bullies and at the same time stand up for Jesus and what you believe to be right in His sight. Do not underestimate yourself, and your ability; without you knowing it, or being aware of it, you may very well be a great help and encouragement to a silent majority or minority reading on this forum.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 22, 2015 10:30:41 GMT -5
If this is the way the board wants to deal with issues fine. I think you are driving others away with the present way things are on the board. It reminds me alot of my involment with the workers and the elder in my last meeting. For that reason i have no reason to offer anything else to this board. The workers and friends pushed me away and so are the bullies and the one still part of "truth" that show no love or compassion toward their fellow man. THIS makes me sad. I see it happening too frequently. Ask myself the same question. We have lost some beautiful christian people on TMB. I love a bit of controversy sometimes and know the topics that stir up non believers. Now Im finding my tolerance wearing thin. Recently I spent time away and I met a worker. I left meetings 30 yr ago. The first 20yr were traumatic with family struggling that I attended other churches. Coming online 10yr ago helped me tremendously talking to exs and some professing people around the world. Meeting this worker who visited me a number of times enjoyed my company and was just prepared to discuss anything did something for me. I think his acceptance after all I had gone through through no fault of my own has defused this fight that I had in me to anyone in meeting trying to explain god the bible or what they believe. There is like a truce in my heart if you like so debating scripture may not come from me any more. Id rather find agreement to have fellowship. I remember one of my mentors telling me we should be able to worship and fellowship with other denominations at any level. We are all of the same body. It isnt the 2x2s that irk me now. It is the non believers and their thirst for being right. They have the right to post. We are sensitive emotional beings and lets face it you know when someone is trying to argue or upset you. What they dont know is how you have survived any kind of abuse. What you might be suffering in your daily life. Marie there is no insight. Is there a site where there are no non believers.
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Post by matisse on Mar 22, 2015 10:52:38 GMT -5
If this is the way the board wants to deal with issues fine. I think you are driving others away with the present way things are on the board. It reminds me alot of my involment with the workers and the elder in my last meeting. For that reason i have no reason to offer anything else to this board. The workers and friends pushed me away and so are the bullies and the one still part of "truth" that show no love or compassion toward their fellow man. Marie, I emphasize with you because I got to that point late last year and became so frustrated that I closed my account. On reflection I thought to myself why let myself be frustrated by others' opinions and pronouncements that I do not agree with and deprive myself of the opportunities to shares and support the opinions and pronouncement that I do agree with. So I rejoined the forum as a new member with the mind set of "live and let live." Stand up to bullies and at the same time stand up for Jesus and what you believe to be right in His sight. Do not underestimate yourself, and your ability; without you knowing it, or being aware of it, you may very well be a great help and encouragement to a silent majority or minority reading on this forum. I have taken some long breaks from this forum out of frustration as well. I have found over time that some of the people who have frustrated me most in some conversations, have turned out to be completely unexpected allies when the subject has changed. This has been a good lesson for me. I also think back to how relieved I felt to find people on these forums that I knew would understand what I have been through and who would not judge me harshly. I also continue to participate here, despite the periodic frustrations, with the hope that my words will be helpful to someone else in turn.
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Post by CherieKropp on Mar 22, 2015 11:51:44 GMT -5
The complaints above are very similar to the state TMB was in back in August, 2009--when numerous Ex2x2s left TMB and came to the newly formed private TLC Forum.
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Post by matisse on Mar 22, 2015 12:14:06 GMT -5
I think many conflicts (believer/non-believer, trinity vs. unity, exclusive vs. non-exclusive, etc) could be avoided if people would state opinions and beliefs as opinions and beliefs and not try to present them as "facts".
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Post by Greg on Mar 22, 2015 13:04:41 GMT -5
The complaints above are very similar to the state TMB was in back in August, 2009--when numerous Ex2x2s left TMB and came to the newly formed private TLC Forum. Have they returned then?
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Post by CherieKropp on Mar 22, 2015 13:13:02 GMT -5
The complaints above are very similar to the state TMB was in back in August, 2009--when numerous Ex2x2s left TMB and came to the newly formed private TLC Forum. Have they returned then? Some participate on both forums - others only on TLC. Both boards serve their members who have different desires and purposes for using the boards.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 23, 2015 21:16:57 GMT -5
THIS makes me sad. I see it happening too frequently. Ask myself the same question. We have lost some beautiful christian people on TMB. I love a bit of controversy sometimes and know the topics that stir up non believers. Now Im finding my tolerance wearing thin. Recently I spent time away and I met a worker. I left meetings 30 yr ago. The first 20yr were traumatic with family struggling that I attended other churches. Coming online 10yr ago helped me tremendously talking to exs and some professing people around the world. Meeting this worker who visited me a number of times enjoyed my company and was just prepared to discuss anything did something for me. I think his acceptance after all I had gone through through no fault of my own has defused this fight that I had in me to anyone in meeting trying to explain god the bible or what they believe. There is like a truce in my heart if you like so debating scripture may not come from me any more. Id rather find agreement to have fellowship. I remember one of my mentors telling me we should be able to worship and fellowship with other denominations at any level. We are all of the same body. It isnt the 2x2s that irk me now. It is the non believers and their thirst for being right. They have the right to post. We are sensitive emotional beings and lets face it you know when someone is trying to argue or upset you. What they dont know is how you have survived any kind of abuse. What you might be suffering in your daily life. Marie there is no insight. Is there a site where there are no non believers. Bubbles, Marie, -I'm sure there is a site where there are no non believers if you want to find it. However, I would look at such a site somewhat like this:
I once went to a 'word smith' group. It was just several people who liked to write and we critiqued one another's writing.
We tried to be kind, but honest in our critiques of one another's writing. Because, as one person stated, "If you want to hear how great you writing is, you can always go to your mother!"
We really learn nothing new if we only stay in our little comfort zone.
Of course if you only see us as bullies who are insensitive beings and you are just having to tolerate us as someone who is stating our own beliefs only in order to upset you, -well then perhaps you should find a group that will agree with you.
Many of us have also had suffering in your lives. The way that we have learned to deal with it may not be like yours but we ARE having to deal with it.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 25, 2015 6:14:07 GMT -5
THIS makes me sad. I see it happening too frequently. Ask myself the same question. We have lost some beautiful christian people on TMB. I love a bit of controversy sometimes and know the topics that stir up non believers. Now Im finding my tolerance wearing thin. Recently I spent time away and I met a worker. I left meetings 30 yr ago. The first 20yr were traumatic with family struggling that I attended other churches. Coming online 10yr ago helped me tremendously talking to exs and some professing people around the world. Meeting this worker who visited me a number of times enjoyed my company and was just prepared to discuss anything did something for me. I think his acceptance after all I had gone through through no fault of my own has defused this fight that I had in me to anyone in meeting trying to explain god the bible or what they believe. There is like a truce in my heart if you like so debating scripture may not come from me any more. Id rather find agreement to have fellowship. I remember one of my mentors telling me we should be able to worship and fellowship with other denominations at any level. We are all of the same body. It isnt the 2x2s that irk me now. It is the non believers and their thirst for being right. They have the right to post. We are sensitive emotional beings and lets face it you know when someone is trying to argue or upset you. What they dont know is how you have survived any kind of abuse. What you might be suffering in your daily life. Marie there is no insight. Is there a site where there are no non believers. Bubbles, Marie, -I'm sure there is a site where there are no non believers if you want to find it. However, I would look at such a site somewhat like this:
I once went to a 'word smith' group. It was just several people who liked to write and we critiqued one another's writing.
We tried to be kind, but honest in our critiques of one another's writing. Because, as one person stated, "If you want to hear how great you writing is, you can always go to your mother!"
We really learn nothing new if we only stay in our little comfort zone.
Of course if you only see us as bullies who are insensitive beings and you are just having to tolerate us as someone who is stating our own beliefs only in order to upset you, -well then perhaps you should find a group that will agree with you.
Many of us have also had suffering in your lives. The way that we have learned to deal with it may not be like yours but we ARE having to deal with it.
I understand what you wrote. To be fair. Because we only read text we cant hear or see the emotion. You dmich can be very in your face with comments. I appreciate people having their opinion. I react when I feel cornered or spoken to in a way that is belittling or put down or made to look stupid. Im sorry for any suffering you have experienced. Most people are dealing with issues of some kind or another. As for me I am going to try not to inflate others with my comments. I hate to hurt people. Im passionate about many things I think from now on I need to be wiser with my comments and how much I share. How can we reconcile and build a bridge?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 11:29:16 GMT -5
Personally, the words of another "...in as much possible within you, live peaceably with all..." make my daily target in life. Only for myself, I desire it to be not only "peaceably," but "honorably", "kindly," and a host of other descriptive words. Some people appear as if they couldn't care less how they appear, or use words, or lack of them, to "down" others. Lived with those kind of people the majority of my lifetime.
Is it always possible? No. However, I believe it is worth any effort put toward that ends. Wan smile, perhaps the most difficult of all for me to tolerate are one certain type of person. So, I try to just avoid confrontation with them and what they post. No, I am not always, or perhaps even, very successful at that, neither! Aw, life! Ain't it grand!?
Remembering my own experience when near death's doorstep, believing myself in a saved eternity, and so surprised at the wonder and joy of it all, the more so because until that time, I, too, ignored and was unaware of all the reassurance along those lines to be found in the written word of the Bible. Indoctrination is a very strict teacher, the more rigid the younger we are at the time of receiving it. .
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Post by mdm on Mar 25, 2015 11:55:43 GMT -5
Bubbles, I just glanced at the I'M STICKING TO THE KING JAMES BIBLE thread, and recent posts are a good example of what you are talking about. If someone claims they had a spiritual experience, why would anyone claim as a fact that it can only be a hallucination and result of mental/chemical disturbances? That is unnecessary.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 14:13:10 GMT -5
Because, Maja, they have no idea of such an experience, cannot understand it through their banks of knowledge and experience, and view everything in life from the mindset they hold. Tried to point this out in another thread, was promptly discarded and dismissed by a non-believing, all knowing (by their posts and expressed attitudes here) member of this forum who devalues discredits the beliefs and posts of believers, no matter what their education, knowledge base, experiences, simply because they are opposing. Gotta live with it, just try to ignore it. Pragmatism. What is, is.
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Post by matisse on Mar 25, 2015 15:05:57 GMT -5
Bubbles, I just glanced at the I'M STICKING TO THE KING JAMES BIBLE thread, and recent posts are a good example of what you are talking about. If someone claims they had a spiritual experience, why would anyone claim as a fact that it can only be a hallucination and result of mental/chemical disturbances? That is unnecessary. Are you referring to Rational's post? Hallucinations are not, in my world, spiritual things. The notion of having an hallucination, visual or auditory, does not disturb me other than to point to the fact that all within my nervous system is not working as designed.
I interpret "in my world" to indicate that Rational is presenting his point of view (please correct me, Rational, if I am wrong). This is all I ask of people who are going to talk about any number of things for which is there is no hard, fast, indisputable evidence. Just indicate that it is your belief, your opinion, your point of view, your interpretation of your experience. I think that believers will find that their beliefs are respected when they are presented as just that - beliefs. Present beliefs as "fact" or an experience as "hard evidence" for your particular interpretation of the experience and you will likely be challenged. But perhaps I have misunderstood you, maja.
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Post by mdm on Mar 25, 2015 16:10:47 GMT -5
Bubbles, I just glanced at the I'M STICKING TO THE KING JAMES BIBLE thread, and recent posts are a good example of what you are talking about. If someone claims they had a spiritual experience, why would anyone claim as a fact that it can only be a hallucination and result of mental/chemical disturbances? That is unnecessary. Are you referring to Rational's post? Hallucinations are not, in my world, spiritual things. The notion of having an hallucination, visual or auditory, does not disturb me other than to point to the fact that all within my nervous system is not working as designed.
I interpret "in my world" to indicate that Rational is presenting his point of view (please correct me, Rational, if I am wrong). This is all I ask of people who are going to talk about any number of things for which is there is no hard, fast, indisputable evidence. Just indicate that it is your belief, your opinion, your point of view, your interpretation of your experience. I think that believers will find that their beliefs are respected when they are presented as just that - beliefs. Present beliefs as "fact" or an experience as "hard evidence" for your particular interpretation of the experience and you will likely be challenged. But perhaps I have misunderstood you, maja. I looked at the thread more closely and now I see that Bubbles was only asking a hypothetical question. So, no this thread is not an example of a poster's actual spiritual experience being labeled as a hallucination. However, there is a theme (and I've seen in it before on other threads) that spiritual experiences are always hallucinations. Of course, it is fine to state that as a belief, but not for the purpose of invalidating other people's experiences and beliefs. Has anyone else noticed this theme on the board? If not, then I am wrong (again).
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 25, 2015 16:15:58 GMT -5
Bubbles, Marie, -I'm sure there is a site where there are no non believers if you want to find it. However, I would look at such a site somewhat like this:
I once went to a 'word smith' group. It was just several people who liked to write and we critiqued one another's writing.
We tried to be kind, but honest in our critiques of one another's writing. Because, as one person stated, "If you want to hear how great you writing is, you can always go to your mother!"
We really learn nothing new if we only stay in our little comfort zone.
Of course if you only see us as bullies who are insensitive beings and you are just having to tolerate us as someone who is stating our own beliefs only in order to upset you, -well then perhaps you should find a group that will agree with you.
Many of us have also had suffering in your lives. The way that we have learned to deal with it may not be like yours but we ARE having to deal with it.
I understand what you wrote. To be fair. Because we only read text we cant hear or see the emotion. You dmich can be very in your face with comments. I appreciate people having their opinion. I react when I feel cornered or spoken to in a way that is belittling or put down or made to look stupid. Im sorry for any suffering you have experienced. Most people are dealing with issues of some kind or another. As for me I am going to try not to inflate others with my comments. I hate to hurt people. Im passionate about many things I think from now on I need to be wiser with my comments and how much I share. How can we reconcile and build a bridge? Thank you, bubbles.
I think is important for people to be passionate about what they believe. I know that I come off as being "in your face" many times.
Perhaps that is because it took me, myself, such a long time to be aware of the beliefs that I had had for so many years and to finally learn how to take critical, rational review of those beliefs under oft times a harsh factual spotlight.
Then to apply it to not only past beliefs but to new ones coming down the pike. .
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Post by mdm on Mar 25, 2015 16:19:01 GMT -5
Because, Maja, they have no idea of such an experience, cannot understand it through their banks of knowledge and experience, and view everything in life from the mindset they hold. Tried to point this out in another thread, was promptly discarded and dismissed by a non-believing, all knowing (by their posts and expressed attitudes here) member of this forum who devalues discredits the beliefs and posts of believers, no matter what their education, knowledge base, experiences, simply because they are opposing. Gotta live with it, just try to ignore it. Pragmatism. What is, is. Looks like I am not the only one who has noticed it. There are lot's of Christians who don't believe we can have spiritual experiences as well, and that is fine. We just shouldn't belittle or try to invalidate each other's belief/unbelief or experiences/lack of experiences.
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Post by rational on Mar 25, 2015 16:27:56 GMT -5
Bubbles, I just glanced at the I'M STICKING TO THE KING JAMES BIBLE thread, and recent posts are a good example of what you are talking about. If someone claims they had a spiritual experience, why would anyone claim as a fact that it can only be a hallucination and result of mental/chemical disturbances? That is unnecessary. No one claimed they had a spiritual experience. They asked me about a hypothetical situation. I answered. If you hear a voice without the physical generation of sound or see objects that are not the result of reflected visible electromagnetic radiation it is defined as an hallucination. It is a simple matter of the definition of the term. When someone asks what I would do in a specific instance, I try to respond. Using an allegory is not unheard of. Here it, I believe, the exchange to which you are referring: Ratz I saw you had posted somewhere that if you had hallucinations..etc you would head to doc. My question is if you had an angel appear at the end of your bed in the middle of the night. Telling you how you got ill and how to treat it. Is it the notion of seeing something supernatural that disturbs you or the fear of loosing your mind? Why would you seek medical help when you should be going to someone who understands soiritual things. If you saw the Flying Spaghetti Monster at the end of your bed would you wait for him/her to reach out with his/her noodly appendage to cure you and follow its instructions regarding anything or attribute it to a dream? If it was a recurring dream that began to interfere with your life would you embrace it or seek help from a mental health professional? Hallucinations are not, in my world, spiritual things. The notion of having an hallucination, visual or auditory, does not disturb me other than to point to the fact that all within my nervous system is not working as designed. Of course, if we accept the possibility that it was an actual spirit of some sort it would be able to provide proof. So, when you see the next spirit, have it provide proof and we can move on from there.
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Post by rational on Mar 25, 2015 16:29:18 GMT -5
Wish I had read this first! Are you referring to Rational's post? Hallucinations are not, in my world, spiritual things. The notion of having an hallucination, visual or auditory, does not disturb me other than to point to the fact that all within my nervous system is not working as designed.
I interpret "in my world" to indicate that Rational is presenting his point of view (please correct me, Rational, if I am wrong). This is all I ask of people who are going to talk about any number of things for which is there is no hard, fast, indisputable evidence. Just indicate that it is your belief, your opinion, your point of view, your interpretation of your experience. I think that believers will find that their beliefs are respected when they are presented as just that - beliefs. Present beliefs as "fact" or an experience as "hard evidence" for your particular interpretation of the experience and you will likely be challenged. But perhaps I have misunderstood you, maja. I looked at the thread more closely and now I see that Bubbles was only asking a hypothetical question. So, no this thread is not an example of a poster's actual spiritual experience being labeled as a hallucination. However, there is a theme (and I've seen in it before on other threads) that spiritual experiences are always hallucinations. Of course, it is fine to state that as a belief, but not for the purpose of invalidating other people's experiences and beliefs. Has anyone else noticed this theme on the board? If not, then I am wrong (again). :)
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Post by rational on Mar 25, 2015 16:44:26 GMT -5
I looked at the thread more closely and now I see that Bubbles was only asking a hypothetical question. So, no this thread is not an example of a poster's actual spiritual experience being labeled as a hallucination. Apology accepted. Not spiritual experiences but seeing things that are not there are hearing things that have no physical source, that is the definition of hallucination.I find it difficult to know that the purpose of a post is to invalidate the experience of someone else Does considering an alternative explanation always equal invalidating experiences? I am certain you will find people who will make the same or similar claims.
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Post by rational on Mar 25, 2015 16:52:23 GMT -5
Because, Maja, they have no idea of such an experience, cannot understand it through their banks of knowledge and experience, and view everything in life from the mindset they hold. Don't we all view everything in life from the mindset we hold? A mind set that has been formed by our life experiences.The posts of believers are as valid as the posts of non-believers. When they claim to be posting facts do you not think that asking them for verification is permissible? No one is all knowing. That's why people question.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 25, 2015 17:11:57 GMT -5
Because, Maja, they have no idea of such an experience, cannot understand it through their banks of knowledge and experience, and view everything in life from the mindset they hold.
The point Dennis, is that you are not the only one who has ever had "experiences" in this life!
You claim that some of us "have no idea of such an experience," and that therefore we "cannot understand it through OUR banks of knowledge and experience," then YOU turn right around & do the same to us, deny us OUR own experience and make light of our so-called "banks of knowledge!"
Now, just ignore my post as you have stated you do & continue to negate OUR experiences.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 18:37:58 GMT -5
In all fairness to Dennis he said "some of us" and not "all of us." So in my estimation he did not include everyone, just some. So he is not claiming that he is the only one who had ever had experiences, nor is he denying or negating others peoples' experiences IMO.It would be reckless of him to make such a claim, and I think that he is too thoughtful and clever for that.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 25, 2015 20:41:07 GMT -5
Bubbles, I just glanced at the I'M STICKING TO THE KING JAMES BIBLE thread, and recent posts are a good example of what you are talking about. If someone claims they had a spiritual experience, why would anyone claim as a fact that it can only be a hallucination and result of mental/chemical disturbances? That is unnecessary. Probably because when I first came to TMB I wrote out my testimony. 2003? Which to me is quite remarkable the journey I had been on since leaving meetings. It involved spiritual stuff. The way the lord had lead me. What he had done how he had used me as a vessel for his body/people. It involves controversial subjects like answered prayer. Ministering in the power of god. Laying on of hands. Faith. Believing for the impossible. All the things that to me are the result of learning to hear his voice trusting he hears and also answers. Walking by faith. Topics that disturb others who are not like this or who have different life journeys. I like to motivate people. I like to encourage people in their most holy faith. These topics dont go down well generally on TMB. I see in the word that god wants us to communicate. He also wants to communicate back. Individually. Part of the problem for many people is that they havent achieved this so think it is only for leaders or workers to hear from god. He communicated through the prophets in the OT and the NT. Because he is spirit he communicates spirit to spirit. This frightens people. Especially if they think they dont have a spirit. Think Ive said enough. That was for your eyes only.. joke (just putting you in the loop.) I ended up removing the testimony. Felt maybe I shouldnt have revealed so much. Of course a lot has happened since then my life took another turn.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 25, 2015 20:49:09 GMT -5
In all fairness to Dennis he said "some of us" and not "all of us." So in my estimation he did not include everyone, just some. So he is not claiming that he is the only one who had ever had experiences, nor is he denying or negating others peoples' experiences IMO.It would be reckless of him to make such a claim, and I think that he is too thoughtful and clever for that. The reality for any believer is that somehow god will nurture them, feed them, comfort them, guide them, teach them. He does it through reading his word, but that is not the only way. He has given us the holy spirit. The Helper. I doubt any believer has none of the things I mentioned. I think they just hold it close to their chest. Keep quiet. Unlike me who is mouthy about it.
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