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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2015 12:23:09 GMT -5
2,000,000,000 total Christians worldwide 200,000 2x2 Christians worldwide 200 Omega / Message People 100 Cooneyites This is how I see the 2x2 argument: Jesus is the Way, other Christians say the same - BUT THEY ARE WRONG Being Few supports > we are right. Omega and Cooneyites are fewer - BUT THEY ARE WRONG Great falling away supports > we are right. Omega & Cooneyites had a falling away too - BUT THEY ARE WRONG All other religions say they are right - BUT THEY ARE WRONG We are right because god told us so, the rest say the same - BUT THEY ARE WRONG Xna It's this how the 2x2s think about us? Or is this just what you are saying? I'm not putting you down, I'm just trying to understand what you mean? That is what i was taught and you can read about the differences here www.tellingthetruth.info/founder_book/23wmibook.php48. OTHER CHURCHES: 2x2: All other churches and religious groups, including Omega followers and Cooneyites have been deceived, and consequently, all their adherents will suffer a lost eternity. The real test is if they would make you get re baptized, as without it, you would go to hell. Note" I have not been with them for many years and thing change. They don't like to come right out and say such things.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 29, 2015 12:27:17 GMT -5
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. The 2x2 use that verse against the 2,000,000,000 other Christians to say WE ARE THE RIGHT ONE, but the Cooneyites and Omega can use the same against the 2x2. We don't use that against anyone, we never say we are the only ones going to heaven. Wouldn't be very many in heaven if that were so if there's only a 100 of us would there I believe God looks at all of us, everywhere. He looks at the heart. But just because people say they believe doesn't mean they're getting there. Neither does just being in a religion. You get many wicked people in religions, and many good hearted people not in a certain religion. the only way is through Jesus, and following him. I'd be very wary of saying that we were saved and everyone else is going to hell, were not judges. Only God knows who's getting in, were just here to bring God to others! Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. The 2x2 use that verse against the 2,000,000,000 other Christians to say WE ARE THE RIGHT ONE, but the Cooneyites and Omega can use the same against the 2x2.
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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2015 12:34:30 GMT -5
The 2x2 use that verse against the 2,000,000,000 other Christians to say WE ARE THE RIGHT ONE, but the Cooneyites and Omega can use the same against the 2x2. We don't use that against anyone, we never say we are the only ones going to heaven. Wouldn't be very many in heaven if that were so if there's only a 100 of us would there I believe God looks at all of us, everywhere. He looks at the heart. But just because people say they believe doesn't mean they're getting there. Neither does just being in a religion. You get many wicked people in religions, and many good hearted people not in a certain religion. the only way is through Jesus, and following him. I'd be very wary of saying that we were saved and everyone else is going to hell, were not judges. Only God knows who's getting in, were just here to bring God to others! The 2x2 use that verse against the 2,000,000,000 other Christians to say WE ARE THE RIGHT ONE, but the Cooneyites and Omega can use the same against the 2x2. I added this quote after yours. Which says it plainly. Yours seems like a better approach. 48. OTHER CHURCHES: 2x2: All other churches and religious groups, including Omega followers and Cooneyites have been deceived, and consequently, all their adherents will suffer a lost eternity.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 29, 2015 12:51:26 GMT -5
We don't use that against anyone, we never say we are the only ones going to heaven. Wouldn't be very many in heaven if that were so if there's only a 100 of us would there I believe God looks at all of us, everywhere. He looks at the heart. But just because people say they believe doesn't mean they're getting there. Neither does just being in a religion. You get many wicked people in religions, and many good hearted people not in a certain religion. the only way is through Jesus, and following him. I'd be very wary of saying that we were saved and everyone else is going to hell, were not judges. Only God knows who's getting in, were just here to bring God to others! I added this quote after yours. Which says it plainly. Yours seems like a better approach. 48. OTHER CHURCHES: 2x2: All other churches and religious groups, including Omega followers and Cooneyites have been deceived, and consequently, all their adherents will suffer a lost eternity. Then I suppose this is one way we differ from the 2x2s. Because that would mean, that all my people and family are going to hell. Yet I know people who's hearts love God so how can this be so? Is that really what the people in the 2x2s think of us? They don't seem to be like that on here! What about all the people in the world that have given their heart to God and others don't know about it? How do we know what is in a person's heart? Gods ways are not man's ways. Although there are many things that I go agree with that the 2x2s believe in, I don't believe in this! I'd be to afraid to say a person isn't saved or that I am. Because I'm not God.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 29, 2015 12:54:21 GMT -5
Hebrews 1:8-12 The Father calls the son God. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever..... John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (These verses say, Jesus was the word and he was with God and he was God). Thomas also said My Lord and My God. Jesus did not say no I am not God. There are numerous places that say Jesus was God. He prayed to the Father while on earth -because he was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of Man. He left his glory in heaven with the Father to come to earth to live as a human. Jesus never sinned, and the Bible says if any man says he has not sinned then he is a liar. Only God did not sin. I don't disagree that Jesus is called "God" in the bible. Exodus 7:1 speaks of Moses, where God says to Moses "See, I have made thee a God to Pharaoh. Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet." Does this means that Moses was literally "God" or "a god"? No, it means that Moses stood in the place of God here on earth. Hebrews 1:4 clearly explains how Jesus inherited the name of God. To inherit something means that it was not your from the get-go. I totally agree, Jesus and the father are one in heart and mind. Jesus came in the image of God. And God was with him. But he isn't God. I don't believe in the trinity either It's nor in the Bible!
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Post by snow on Mar 29, 2015 12:55:11 GMT -5
Jesus also says we are all Gods in John. That means we are all equally divine, some of us just aren't cognizant of it that's all.
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Post by snow on Mar 29, 2015 12:56:57 GMT -5
I added this quote after yours. Which says it plainly. Yours seems like a better approach. 48. OTHER CHURCHES: 2x2: All other churches and religious groups, including Omega followers and Cooneyites have been deceived, and consequently, all their adherents will suffer a lost eternity. Then I suppose this is one way we differ from the 2x2s. Because that would mean, that all my people and family are going to hell. Yet I know people who's hearts love God so how can this be so? Is that really what the people in the 2x2s think of us? They don't seem to be like that on here! What about all the people in the world that have given their heart to God and others don't know about it? How do we know what is in a person's heart? Gods ways are not man's ways. Although there are many things that I go agree with that the 2x2s believe in, I don't believe in this! I'd be to afraid to say a person isn't saved or that I am. Because I'm not God. The reason I quit professing and believing in the Christian God was because of this exclusive mindset the 2x2's had. They told me my family that were not professing were going to hell and I couldn't accept that as being true. I decided I didn't want anything to do with a God that would allow anyone to suffer forever in hell.
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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2015 12:57:20 GMT -5
I added this quote after yours. Which says it plainly. Yours seems like a better approach. 48. OTHER CHURCHES: 2x2: All other churches and religious groups, including Omega followers and Cooneyites have been deceived, and consequently, all their adherents will suffer a lost eternity. Then I suppose this is one way we differ from the 2x2s. Because that would mean, that all my people and family are going to hell. Yet I know people who's hearts love God so how can this be so? Is that really what the people in the 2x2s think of us? They don't seem to be like that on here! What about all the people in the world that have given their heart to God and others don't know about it? How do we know what is in a person's heart? Gods ways are not man's ways. Although there are many things that I go agree with that the 2x2s believe in, I don't believe in this! I'd be to afraid to say a person isn't saved or that I am. Because I'm not God. When I "joined" them I told my parents they were going to hell unless they too "joined" the 2x2 way. That's one of the great harms I see done by "this way".
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Post by maryhig on Mar 29, 2015 13:35:40 GMT -5
Then I suppose this is one way we differ from the 2x2s. Because that would mean, that all my people and family are going to hell. Yet I know people who's hearts love God so how can this be so? Is that really what the people in the 2x2s think of us? They don't seem to be like that on here! What about all the people in the world that have given their heart to God and others don't know about it? How do we know what is in a person's heart? Gods ways are not man's ways. Although there are many things that I go agree with that the 2x2s believe in, I don't believe in this! I'd be to afraid to say a person isn't saved or that I am. Because I'm not God. The reason I quit professing and believing in the Christian God was because of this exclusive mindset the 2x2's had. They told me my family that were not professing were going to hell and I couldn't accept that as being true. I decided I didn't want anything to do with a God that would allow anyone to suffer forever in hell. I don't believe this at all, it's wrong to tell people they're going to hell. All as we are here to do is bring the word of God to others and that does the judging then God decides! Snow I believe hell is like a state if mind, and the depths of hell are shown here on earth in the wickedness of people's hearts. If you do these things then you can't expect to go to heaven. Even if you are in a religion. if you do wickedness you will suffer for this especially if you know its wrong before God. It's says in the Bible about the fires of hell, this is burning in your own wicked lusts that's why I believe we have to deny sin in our hearts and let God whilst we are here and stay humble. But only God decides who is getting into heaven. If your hand offends you cut it off means stop doing it! Like a cut off point. Touch nor taste not handle not. If you know its wrong stop it. Just like hardness, if we don't nip it in the bud it can turn to hatred! I read this this morning Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world. If we are dead with Christ we wont want to do these wicked things and our hearts will be changed. We will be born again. A new person. Not the same as we were before we let God into our hearts. But hatred and hardness will be replaced with love! Love overcomes many things just as light overcomes darkness. And Christ overcomes Satan. If we let him in he can overcome all things. Whatever religion we are!
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Post by snow on Mar 29, 2015 14:12:03 GMT -5
The reason I quit professing and believing in the Christian God was because of this exclusive mindset the 2x2's had. They told me my family that were not professing were going to hell and I couldn't accept that as being true. I decided I didn't want anything to do with a God that would allow anyone to suffer forever in hell. I don't believe this at all, it's wrong to tell people they're going to hell. All as we are here to do is bring the word of God to others and that does the judging then God decides! Snow I believe hell is like a state if mind, and the depths of hell are shown here on earth in the wickedness of people's hearts. If you do these things then you can't expect to go to heaven. Even if you are in a religion. if you do wickedness you will suffer for this especially if you know its wrong before God. It's says in the Bible about the fires of hell, this is burning in your own wicked lusts that's why I believe we have to deny sin in our hearts and let God whilst we are here and stay humble. But only God decides who is getting into heaven. If your hand offends you cut it off means stop doing it! Like a cut off point. Touch nor taste not handle not. If you know its wrong stop it. Just like hardness, if we don't nip it in the bud it can turn to hatred! I read this this morning Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world. If we are dead with Christ we wont want to do these wicked things and our hearts will be changed. We will be born again. A new person. Not the same as we were before we let God into our hearts. But hatred and hardness will be replaced with love! Love overcomes many things just as light overcomes darkness. And Christ overcomes Satan. If we let him in he can overcome all things. Whatever religion we are! So if some don't go to heaven, where do they go in your opinion?
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Post by bubbles on Mar 29, 2015 14:27:02 GMT -5
I added this quote after yours. Which says it plainly. Yours seems like a better approach. 48. OTHER CHURCHES: 2x2: All other churches and religious groups, including Omega followers and Cooneyites have been deceived, and consequently, all their adherents will suffer a lost eternity. Then I suppose this is one way we differ from the 2x2s. Because that would mean, that all my people and family are going to hell. Yet I know people who's hearts love God so how can this be so? Is that really what the people in the 2x2s think of us? They don't seem to be like that on here! What about all the people in the world that have given their heart to God and others don't know about it? How do we know what is in a person's heart? Gods ways are not man's ways. Although there are many things that I go agree with that the 2x2s believe in, I don't believe in this! I'd be to afraid to say a person isn't saved or that I am. Because I'm not God. There is a verse that says"the fear of god is the begining of wisdom." When I read the verse about the word being powerful to divine soul and spirt, bone and marrow. My mind took a hold of that and I began to read with a different mindset. My faith and trust increased whereas prior to that I felt so unworthy of his love of salvation of reaching heaven. Then I learned about my position as his child in his kingdom. That I now could have confidence in salvation also spiritual authority over "everywhere I place my feet particularly the ground where I live. My prayerlife changed because my mind saw that I can have confidence in who I am based on the scriptures..if I believed what they said. I learned about positive confession.eg: " I can do all things through christ who strengthens me" I am safe in the fathers love" He is my healer. My deliverer. My provider. There are loads of verses that we can take and apply them to our lives. It is all about trusting him for absolutely everything. Walking inside the love the father has fir the son. When I look at a non believer I try to see them through his eyes. Ive walked up to the fiercest looking gang members and said "hi"..to help me overcome fear of man. We are not called to judge those that dont know Christ because it is the "father who calls and the holy spirit who convicts us when we do wrong." I think the point im trying to make is from understanding scripture I have confidence that I will reach his arms in 'heaven'..there is no room any longer to allow doubt in my mind over this. If I didnt have that confidence I would be wastibg my energy on living the way I do. Id be struggling with worthlessness and hopelessness would be knocking on the door. Besides all that ive said ive witnessed his love for me and others too much seen his mercy and grace in action prevaling agaisnt any obstacle to not believe.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 29, 2015 14:30:52 GMT -5
As for heaven. Everybody goes to heaven. It is the place where the books are opened..thats when I think the boundless mercy will be revealed JMT
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Post by rational on Mar 29, 2015 14:58:00 GMT -5
If your hand offends you cut it off means stop doing it! Like a cut off point. Touch nor taste not handle not. So you think the verse: Matthew 18:8 - Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.It seems clear that the verse was talking about actually dismembering your self to save your soul.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 29, 2015 15:00:49 GMT -5
If your hand offends you cut it off means stop doing it! Like a cut off point. Touch nor taste not handle not. So you think the verse: Matthew 18:8 - Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.It seems clear that the verse was talking about actually dismembering your self to save your soul. No i don't believe he means dismembering yourself at all!
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Post by maryhig on Mar 29, 2015 15:06:35 GMT -5
I don't believe this at all, it's wrong to tell people they're going to hell. All as we are here to do is bring the word of God to others and that does the judging then God decides! Snow I believe hell is like a state if mind, and the depths of hell are shown here on earth in the wickedness of people's hearts. If you do these things then you can't expect to go to heaven. Even if you are in a religion. if you do wickedness you will suffer for this especially if you know its wrong before God. It's says in the Bible about the fires of hell, this is burning in your own wicked lusts that's why I believe we have to deny sin in our hearts and let God whilst we are here and stay humble. But only God decides who is getting into heaven. If your hand offends you cut it off means stop doing it! Like a cut off point. Touch nor taste not handle not. If you know its wrong stop it. Just like hardness, if we don't nip it in the bud it can turn to hatred! I read this this morning Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world. If we are dead with Christ we wont want to do these wicked things and our hearts will be changed. We will be born again. A new person. Not the same as we were before we let God into our hearts. But hatred and hardness will be replaced with love! Love overcomes many things just as light overcomes darkness. And Christ overcomes Satan. If we let him in he can overcome all things. Whatever religion we are! So if some don't go to heaven, where do they go in your opinion? I'm not God, but I feel that if people say they believe in God and then for example abuse children, or chop people's heads off, or do wicked things without truly repenting can't expect to go to heaven! So do you think people doing the things should be there? As I said I'm not God, only he can judge people.
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Post by snow on Mar 29, 2015 15:18:07 GMT -5
So if some don't go to heaven, where do they go in your opinion? I'm not God, but I feel that if people say they believe in God and then for example abuse children, or chop people's heads off, or do wicked things without truly repenting can't expect to go to heaven! So do you think people doing the things should be there? As I said I'm not God, only he can judge people. My question wasn't whether they deserve to be in heaven, my question was where do they go if they don't go to heaven if there is no hell?
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Post by snow on Mar 29, 2015 15:19:37 GMT -5
When I "joined" them I told my parents they were going to hell unless they too "joined" the 2x2 way. That's one of the great harms I see done by "this way". You do what is right for you. The workers and the friends will do what is right for them. At the harvest time the angels of God will separate the tares from the wheat. God does the final separation between the Sheep and the goats, the SAVED and not SAVED.
It is good time to find out whether you're a tare or a wheat now! while you're ALIVE because After death it will be too late to change. ALL of us must live with the choices which we have made in this life.So how do you know you aren't a tare Nathan?
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Post by maryhig on Mar 29, 2015 15:27:15 GMT -5
I'm not God, but I feel that if people say they believe in God and then for example abuse children, or chop people's heads off, or do wicked things without truly repenting can't expect to go to heaven! So do you think people doing the things should be there? As I said I'm not God, only he can judge people. My question wasn't whether they deserve to be in heaven, my question was where do they go if they don't go to heaven if there is no hell? I never said there isn't a hell, but I'm not God so I don't know exactly what hell is like but I can imagine that it's like the hearts of the wicked here on earth! Imagine a person abuses an innocent child, kills them, then dies. Do you think that child should see the person that has done that! I hope with all my heart that don't. I hope God shields them from the wickedness in that person! But as I said I'm not God, he'll decide he's the righteous judge!
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Post by rational on Mar 29, 2015 15:44:24 GMT -5
Imagine a person abuses an innocent child, kills them, then dies. So you think that child should see the person that has done that! I hope with all my heart that don't. I hope God shields them from the wickedness in that person! An interesting idea. God will protect the child from having to see offender that harmed them. If god is going to do that why not simply prevent the abuse and the pain and suffering of the child while the child was alive?
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Post by maryhig on Mar 29, 2015 15:57:02 GMT -5
Imagine a person abuses an innocent child, kills them, then dies. So you think that child should see the person that has done that! I hope with all my heart that don't. I hope God shields them from the wickedness in that person! An interesting idea. God will protect the child from having to see offender that harmed them. If god is going to do that why not simply prevent the abuse and the pain and suffering of the child while the child was alive? As I've said before, I'm not God. But we are sent here for a reason and Satan is here also. We have a choice. Follow God, or Satan? We have free will to choose. I don't know everything rational but i do know we have to be careful what we do in this life. I went through a horrendous time in my life a prolonged suffering. And I had a deep hardness for a person. I couldn't stand them for what they had done to me. And I couldn't get them out of my mind. I was in torment! It was in hell on earth. It wasn't until I truly let God into my heart that I have been able to overcome that with his help! My heart is now at peace and that hardness had left me. But it took some help and only God could do that for me! I don't feel like that about this person anymore. And I would now help them. But I have to admit it took a long time before I felt like this. But now I feel free!
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Post by Greg on Mar 29, 2015 16:02:32 GMT -5
Well, I have about 75% of the wheat list... still working on the 25% of the tares/human nature in my life.
If you have more of the tares characteristic in your life then you're NOT going to make to heaven. God will NOT allow in you heaven if you were a tare, or having goats nature. Maybe you should not be doing the working. I am not sure, but I think there needs to be a wholeness. Would not matter if you are a tare with goodness or wheat with faults.
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Post by snow on Mar 29, 2015 16:21:00 GMT -5
So how do you know you aren't a tare Nathan? Good question. Jesus said, "You shall KNOW them by their fruits" of the Spirit in their lives... Divine Love, Joy, peace of God, long sufferings, patience, goodness, be kind, forgiveness, love for others, love their enemies, turn the other cheek, etc...
The tares... bitterness, rage, wrath, anger, slander, form of malice, hatred, unforgiveness, etc...Well, I have about 75% of the wheat list... still working on the 25% of the tares/human nature in my life.
If you have more of the tares characteristic in your life then you're NOT going to make to heaven. God will NOT allow in you heaven if you were a tare, or having goats nature.
Well Nathan, I know it doesn't matter what I think, but you are one of the kindest people I know so I imagine you'll do just fine! You have some interesting ideas that make me shake my head sometimes lol, but you have a good heart. We don't agree on much but that's okay too!
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Post by stevo on Mar 29, 2015 16:21:08 GMT -5
Take the thief on the cross what do you think he was the wheat or the tares when Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise? I only think that we are all sinners and our flesh is of sin, but its what is in our hearts that counts and that if we have Satan in our heart we can never enter heaven as his life is with the earth
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Post by Greg on Mar 29, 2015 16:21:43 GMT -5
Maybe you should not be doing the working. I am not sure, but I think there needs to be a wholeness. Would not matter if you are a tare with goodness or wheat with faults. Christians have two natures within us. God and human which one will dominate it depends which one we feed the most.So, you need to quit feeding your human nature? Do you know what nourishes your human nature?
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Post by maryhig on Mar 29, 2015 16:30:43 GMT -5
I never said there isn't a hell, but I'm not God so I don't know exactly what hell is like but I can imagine that it's like the hearts of the wicked here on earth! Imagine a person abuses an innocent child, kills them, then dies. Do you think that child should see the person that has done that! I hope with all my heart that don't. I hope God shields them from the wickedness in that person! But as I said I'm not God, he'll decide he's the righteous judge! Hopefully if there is an afterlife, I will be able to see all the things that I need to understand about anyone who has done something to me in this life and I could forgive them because of that knowledge. I have no problem sharing 'heaven' with my rapist because I am sure there had to be a reason that he was the way he was that I have no current understanding of. If I understood I think I would not see him in the same light. I really think if there is an afterlife that this life will be just an experience that hasn't got the same emotional baggage we carry around here. I don't quite know what to say to that snow, but I also have been through a terrible time. One thing I do know is that I am now able to have empathy for people in the same situation and I have more compassion for people! And I feel if the person that abused me was truly sorry for what they have done wrong in their lives then I would want them to go to heaven. I hope everyone gets there. But that's in God's hands.
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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2015 16:36:14 GMT -5
When I "joined" them I told my parents they were going to hell unless they too "joined" the 2x2 way. That's one of the great harms I see done by "this way". You do what is right for you. The workers and the friends will do what is right for them. At the harvest time the angels of God will separate the tares from the wheat. God does the final separation between the Sheep and the goats, the SAVED and not SAVED.
It is good time to find out whether you're a tare or a wheat now! while you're ALIVE because After death it will be too late to change. ALL of us must live with the choices which we have made in this life.When I professed I took seriously Luke 17 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offenses will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.I respect all people who say what they believe. Different ideas do not offend me. I like to know what people believe, and why. This helps me better understand my journey. I do however despise all who use religion to rule over others and are themselves hypocrites. Nice to have a place to express your beliefs related to the 2x2.
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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2015 17:49:03 GMT -5
When I professed I took seriously Luke 17 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offenses will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.I respect all people who say what they believe. Different ideas do not offend me. I like to know what people believe, and why. This helps me better understand my journey. I do however despise all who use religion to rule over others and are themselves hypocrites. Nice to have a place to express your beliefs related to the 2x2. So, you stop serving God because of the hypocrites? You are throwing your crown of life away because of the hypocrites? And you let the hypocrites win. God will remove the workers who abused the power according to His time. Jesus said the greater punishment await in outer darkness to the servants who beat his fellow servants, abused his authority/power. Don't worry! let God deal with them, they are His servants. Let us do our little parts, and don't be hypocrites ourselves.
Yes, I agree. It's VERY good to have this kind of message board where both sides can air it out or get it off our chests so to speak.
I stopped believing in god, and soon after I stopping saying that I did. I “faked” it for a while, but hated being a hypocrite. At first I thought I had failed, then I thought it was just the 2x2 “cult”, now I think all religions are about the same. I suspect I was not alone, and there are a lot of hypocrites who are faking it for some reason(s) other than they truly believe. You can read of one such 2x2 on the Reddit link. www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/30ha8s/wow_my_dad_grew_up_in_this_religion_we_never_knew/ “I was raised in this religion and am still trying to extract its claws. I didn't see the light until after being married and now am raising our two boys as secular as possible. My wife is still under the brainwashing and fear driven agenda. It is tough trying to escape because it is all she knows. Right now I am faking it until we can make a clean break. Even to the point of having a Wednesday night bible study and being true back-up elder. I was so proud of another family who recently escaped. Everything that was outlined above regarding the timing and expectations are correct.
Happy to answer questions”
I was like him but not with kids but like him I wanted to live with integrity. Afterwords I learned that you can not, no matter how hard you try, choose what you believe, you either do or you don't belive something. If you don't believe then your choice is: integrity or Hypocrisy. When I professed I could sense who would soon “loose out” before they did. Faking it is hard to hide. I choose not to deceive myself or others and chose integrity. When I believed the 2x2 way it came at great cost, when I no longer believed it came at great cost, when I no longer believed in any god it came at great cost. I seem to be a slow learner. I see most people as good not evil by nature, and most people don’t want to die, and have it all end at death. Thus religions forms to give hope after death. It’s the human story, repeated in many ways, over many years. Some stories are just more harmful than others. Today there are over 600 preachers in the clergy project who no longer believe in god but must keep preaching because they have no other way to make a living. clergyproject.org/ This is a terrible way to live, & I feel for these people. I suspect it not just limited to the "other Christians". I suspect ... some today went to a church, confessed they believe, but do not – ie. Hypocrites? I suspect ... some 2x2 today gave their testimony, said they believe, but do not – i.e. hypocrites? I suspect ... some workers today do not believe, but still preach - ie hypocites? I suspect ... some preach knowing they deceive - see Luke 17 Like Snow, I believe you believe what you say you do. Also like Snow I don’t believe what you do, and that’s also fine with me. We shared a common belief at one time, except for the ET’s.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 29, 2015 18:17:01 GMT -5
Take the thief on the cross what do you think he was the wheat or the tares when Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise? I only think that we are all sinners and our flesh is of sin, but its what is in our hearts that counts and that if we have Satan in our heart we can never enter heaven as his life is with the earth Undoubtly wheat. Because of his faith. Satan and his kingdom speak into our minds as regular as the lord trys to lead us. The battle is in the mind between both kingdoms. We overcome the world/flesh/devil by the word of our testimony and blood of the lamb. Rev 12:11
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