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Post by rational on Mar 26, 2015 12:09:42 GMT -5
I know for a fact that God is the One Who caused the universe to come into existence. How would you define fact? This question has been on the table for millennia. What are the facts?
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Post by matisse on Mar 26, 2015 12:57:45 GMT -5
I've heard of Christians who believe that God created the world through 'diving evolution.' I've also heard of a pre-Adamic world also. To me, it doesn't matter. I know for a fact that God is the One Who caused the universe to come into existence. How He did it doesn't matter to me. The words of Genesis can be taken literally, or one can take them figuratively. I'm fine with both ways. I personally don't find it necessary to defend the written record of the creation story. God is Creator, whether the words of Genesis are literal or not. Since you seem to have little interest in the details, you strike me as being more faith-driven than fact-driven. Nothing wrong with that. However, no matter how rock solid your faith, it requires a leap that not everyone here, including some Christians will be willing to make with you.
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Post by matisse on Mar 26, 2015 13:19:29 GMT -5
Since you seem to have little interest in the details, you strike me as being more faith-driven than fact-driven. Nothing wrong with that. However, no matter how rock solid your faith, it requires a leap that not everyone here, including some Christians will be willing to make with you. Like I said, I'm not interested in debating the existence of God on a Thread that was not created for that purpose. It's actually quite rude when the Rationalists and Atheists high-jack threads and try to argue about issues some are not interested in. And honestly, many (if not most) really don't care whether our beliefs are based on FACT or FAITH. To many, faith is sufficient. So, let's just drop the Atheist Aggressiveness in threads that have nothing to do with Atheism.
I have not said anything about atheism. Who are you to declare that a particular group of people have no business being interested in this thread? IMO, the use of the word "fact" to describe a belief that is a matter of faith could be described as aggressive in a forum that is open to people with wide range of beliefs.
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Post by matisse on Mar 26, 2015 13:29:03 GMT -5
I didn't say you have no right to post. I said that the Atheists and Rationalists sometimes high-jack threads and try to argue about issues some are not interested in. I personally find them irritating. Go ahead and post what you want. ...and I will suggest that if you avoid making extraordinary (aggressive) claims (e.g. faith = fact) I think you will find relativly "clear sailing" here.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 26, 2015 14:41:40 GMT -5
My facts and your facts wont jive.
So, really, your question is meaningless, because IMO you are not interested in facts.
My comment was intended for those who believe in God, and that He created the universe. I have no intention of arguing about whether He exists or not.
Arguing about God's existence does nothing but wear people down. It's not productive. Actually, discussing whether or not that God's existed did not "wear me down." It was probably the most uplifting thing that ever happened to me. It was quite productive. As for "facts," I don't think that we each can just have our own "facts." Opinions, yes. but not Facts Dictionary definniton: fact noun \ˈfakt\
: something that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence
: a true piece of information
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Post by rational on Mar 26, 2015 16:39:53 GMT -5
My facts and your facts wont jive. This is a discussion board. It is important that when words are used people are all aware of the meanings that the writer has in mind. For example, I used the word important. Since I did not apply a new definition you can safely assume that if you looked in a dictionary you would get the same definition as I intended. So when you used the word 'fact' in the context you did and I looked up the common definition of the word ( fact - noun - a thing that is indisputably the case.) I had to assume that your definition was not the one found in the dictionary. Since you were posting on a discussion board I assumed that the topic was open for discussion but before I went too far down that road I wanted to get the terms correct. Oddly enough, you seemed offended when I asked.Oh, but I am. I read and follow the research into the Big Bang theory with great interest.I can understand belief as well. And that, I am guessing, is what you have - faith in an idea that is not supported by material nor logical proof.I don't recall bringing up the question of whether god, or gods, exist. I am surprised that you broached the subject.And yet you continue to post about the issue. Do you want to discuss this but not have an opposing point of view included in the discussion?I am still wondering why you brought it up? All I was interested in was the factual information you had regarding god creating the universe.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 26, 2015 17:44:31 GMT -5
Since you seem to have little interest in the details, you strike me as being more faith-driven than fact-driven. Nothing wrong with that. However, no matter how rock solid your faith, it requires a leap that not everyone here, including some Christians will be willing to make with you. Like I said, I'm not interested in debating the existence of God on a Thread that was not created for that purpose. It's actually quite rude when the Rationalists and Atheists high-jack threads and try to argue about issues some are not interested in. And honestly, many (if not most) really don't care whether our beliefs are based on FACT or FAITH. To many, faith is sufficient. So, let's just drop the Atheist Aggressiveness in threads that have nothing to do with Atheism.
I find difficult to understand just why that you think that it is "quite rude" for anyone, -Rationalists and Atheists or anyone else, to make comments on a thread that is called:
Pre-Adamic Life: Did It Exist, and Is There Evidence?
Do you think that Christians are the only ones who can make valid comments on such a topic? I notice that there is a lot of "argument," sometimes aggressive, amongst the Christians themselves concerning the threads presented.
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Post by xna on Mar 26, 2015 19:36:23 GMT -5
Pastor Mike Hoggard: Jesus Christ, One of the Creators of the Universe, Billions of galaxies, the angels and human DNA
~~ This video will blow you away! Making a believer out of you. This is the most amazing proof I ever heard! God's creation can be seen in nature, ram horns, musical notes, the waves of water, whirlwinds, typhoons, galaxies, DNA structure/pattern of human hands, ears. Human beings are created and designed by God NOT by aliens/Satan/fallen angels. They can only clone, genetic manipulation, mixing their DNA with humans and animals, birds, reptiles to produce demigods hybrid race to do his work in hindering God's plan. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFODFKNLCDk&feature=related I'll take a look at that youtube video when I get home tonight. It sounds interesting. I see Mike Hoggard has his share of distractors. bibleconundrumsandcontroversy.blogspot.com/2012/03/mike-hoggard-anti-apostasy-teacher-or.htmlwww.youtube.com/watch?v=z4lO5yiAzOU#t=28
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Post by rational on Mar 26, 2015 19:50:58 GMT -5
Let the readers decide...~~ 2013/ Awesome Evidences are found around the world of .... 200 fallen angels had sexual intercourse with women of this earth so their Children become Rulers/Kings elite race through the centuries... Are you sure it wasn't 186 angels? Are all angels male?
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Post by Mary on Mar 26, 2015 20:05:12 GMT -5
As Nathan has said before, Kings, Queens, presidents and those high up are all from aliens.
Not evidence, just speculation and fantasy.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2015 0:35:21 GMT -5
I didn't say you have no right to post. I said that the Atheists and Rationalists sometimes high-jack threads and try to argue about issues some are not interested in. I personally find them irritating. Go ahead and post what you want. Can you post where Atheists and Rationalists have ever complained about Christian Aggressiveness -as you did by referring to their posts as Atheist Aggressiveness?
Have Atheists and Rationalists ever posted that they find Christians "irritating" -as you just did by calling Rationalists and Atheists "irritating?"
Have Rationalists and Atheists ever called Christians "rude" as you did by calling Rationalists and Atheists rude?
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Post by xna on Mar 27, 2015 7:59:41 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Mar 27, 2015 9:04:30 GMT -5
Quick - pull up the covers!
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Post by snow on Mar 27, 2015 11:47:11 GMT -5
Oh oh it's out there now that all 2x2's believe in Thor and life on Venus! Nathan, look what you've done!
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Mar 27, 2015 13:48:02 GMT -5
NathanB, NathanB, I think this has gone far enough and I need to insist that you stop. Do not attribute things to me that have been spoken by Frank Stranges. The man is a fraud and he does not in any way represent me nor have I ever given him permission to portray my life or anything else regarding me. There have been multiple examples showing how the information he has put has been proven to be complete lies. I would ask that you no longer portray anything he has claimed regarding me as being factual. At some point I am hoping you realize that there is a difference between having people laugh with you as opposed to at you. Yours, Commander Valiant ThorNathanB: That's so awesome! I have 34,000 viewers on Valiant Thor page. The cat is out of the bag! and more people know about Jesus Christ, Valiant Thor through Pastor Frank. God the Father, Jesus Christ our Lord God Savior is ALIVE as the I AM that I AM in the Old Testament.This person wrote:Keep in mind, I have had personal experiences. I've witnessed a lot, but also have been kept out of the loop due to my mom belief so a lot of this is new to me... For example, I am reading this message board thread, regarding "pre-adamic life", there are actual thoughtful ideas and posts, until the OP brings up "Dr. Frank" and "Thor from Venus"? Uhhh? So, Venus has intelligent life that reads our bible? I had no idea they believed that. www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/30ha8s/wow_my_dad_grew_up_in_this_religion_we_never_knew/To whom it may concern, 95% of the workers and the friends have little knowledge about Valiant Thor, from Venus interior planet. According to Commander Thor Jesus Christ has lived on this planet with the people of Venus. I have been trying to inform others about this about over 2 years on my 2x2 message board. ~~ We/humans are NOT ALL alone in this Universe! There are MANY non-human races in the Universe! as Valiant Thor had mentioned to pastor Frank Stranges Dr. Frank Stranges met Valiant Thor who came from the planet Venus in 1959-2008. We (Pastor Frank and Valiant Thor) discussed the merits of Jesus Christ ... how He gave His Life freely... so that men could enjoy the benefits of eternal life. I questioned him about a Bible on Venus and he assured me that a personal unbroken fellowship with the "Author" did not necessitate the printing of a "book". He found it amusing that many theologians attempt to discredit both Jesus Christ and The Bible. The very God many have said is "dead" continues to lavish them with all good things. Perhaps they will, in time, permit the spark of Divine Light to again illuminate their troubled hearts. In answer to my question of what he thought of Jesus Christ, he said, "I know that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega of yours and everyone else faith. He today has assumed His rightful position as the ruler of the universe and is preparing a place and a time for all who are called by His Name to ascend far above the clouds to where His Power and Authority shall never again be disputed.
~~ Commander Thor's Purpose In COMING to Earth: He stated that he came in order to help mankind return to the Lord. He spoke in positive terms, always with a smile on his face. He said God was displeased with the fact that mankind is farther away from Him than ever before, but that there is still a good chance for mankind to find salvation if he looks for it in the right place. Commander Thor said, "There are Presently 77 of us WALKING AMONG you In the United States. We are constantly Coming AND Going "
www.galactic-server.net/rune/valthor2.htmlI/Dr. Frank asked him if there is life on other planets. His reply was, "There is life on MANY other planets of which people on Earth know nothing. There are more solar systems for which man has not even given God credit. There are MANY beings that have never transgressed the perfect laws of God . Man does not possess the right to condemn the whole of God's creation because he himself has broken the perfect laws of God through disobedience."www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/stranges.htm~~ NathanB: Remember the two human looking angels who were with the LORD/Jesus that met and ate with Abraham Genesis chapters 19-21. The two human angels left and went to Sodom and Gomorrah to rescue lot and his family. Those two human looking angels came from the Interior planet Venus/Morning and Evening star. Dr. and Pastor Stranges speaking about the Mysteries of the Dead Sea Scrolls Vs. King James Version Bible. (Listen at 50:17) Valiant Thor and his wife, Denna invited Dr. Stranges on board of Victory One space craft quite a few times. Valiant Thor has a collection of history of the planet earth on CD Disks, and he asked Dr. Stranges which period/phase of earth history he would like to Watch? Dr. stranges picked the Dead Sea Scrolls. Oh! My goodness Dr. Stranges picked one of the most important history of all ages! the Bible. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny-JxJtVzhs4) Dr. Stranges' lecture/speech of his meeting with Valian Thor at the Pentagon in 1957. Listen at 49:00 where Dr. Frank talks about Valiant Thor taken him to his space ship Victor One, "Dr. Frank which part of the earth history would you see ?" He replied, " The Dead Sea Scrolls!".. www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5AaOpXRWsQ5) Dr. and Pastor Stranges speaking about the history Mysteries of the Dead Sea Scrolls revealed. Declassified Dead Sea Scrolls secrets by Valiant Thor from Venus planet.The Bible is far from complete. KJV in the 16th century has been deliberated place out of context to confuse the scholars and the readers, the gap between the first and second verse of Genesis chapter 1. There was a civilization before Adam... this civilization (Kuello) grew and rose in great power, majesty, reach tremendous height of intelligent, able to built rockets to other planets. Greed, hate and distrust among the Kuello Civilization then God stopped from spreading their hatred to other planets. Changed Deliberated and alter Scriptures the Pillar of Clouds by a Pillar of fire by night in the desert should have been a Huge Space craft complete with the ability to shed light and fire! A vast different! The RCC possess these information in the Vatican/Italy library. (Listen 26:00) We are NOT alone in the Universe! God sent His angels to assist mankind through the ages. The Old Testament prophets anointed with holy oil directly from the planet Venus and Jupiter. Noah's ark was surrounded by a force field, very similar to the ring of fire. Ezekiel prophet went on a UFO craft.. a wheel within a wheel to a planet Venus for 30 days. (listen 32:21) The history of the mysteries of the Dead Sea Scrolls.... (listen 41:43) God is speaking/written in the scrolls..... the book of Jeremiah chapter 10.... Names are written in the Book of life. God's chosen ones, will live and prosper, enjoy true fellowship, communion WITH my true other sons and daughters from other worlds /spheres dwelling places. ..... Inner vast lands, beauty part of planet Earth, Venus, Mars, Jupiter.... (listen 50:00) Story about Lot and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah cities... God/Elohim sent and instructed two his angels from Venus/Morning and evening planet to rescue Lot and his family. The angels rode the chariot of fire= fire sent from the space craft to destroy the two wicked cities.
(54:00) Speak about Ezekiel at the age of 30 yr. old, he went on aboard of the space craft and the angels look like men .... Ezekiel traveled above the heavens/had fellowship with the angels. They ate together. Ezekiel was shown of the future. The angels came afar to help mankind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sFHVDo7XKE~~ Here are more information about Dr. Frank and Valiant Thor on Page 3 and 4. Thor invited Dr. Frank to visit his home planet Venus. Valiant Thor's teachings. 2x2friendsworkers.proboards.com/thread/98/angel-god-talked-eisenhower-1957?page=3
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Post by snow on Mar 27, 2015 13:58:59 GMT -5
Commander Thor, I think the only way you are going to get any attention to this dilemma is to sue for defamation of character.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2015 15:26:46 GMT -5
Commander Thor, I think the only way you are going to get any attention to this dilemma is to sue for defamation of character. Commander Thor, -sir! I agree. This character assassination has gone too far!
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2015 15:35:05 GMT -5
NathanB, NathanB, I think this has gone far enough and I need to insist that you stop. Do not attribute things to me that have been spoken by Frank Stranges. The man is a fraud and he does not in any way represent me nor have I ever given him permission to portray my life or anything else regarding me. There have been multiple examples showing how the information he has put has been proven to be complete lies. I would ask that you no longer portray anything he has claimed regarding me as being factual. At some point I am hoping you realize that there is a difference between having people laugh with you as opposed to at you. Yours, Commander Valiant Thor I will let the readers decide whether Dr. Frank is a fraud or you're the fraud. Don't you understand, Nathan?
You keep saying that you will let the readers decide whether Dr. Frank is a fraud. Many of us HAVE decided and we have decided that Dr. Frank is a fraud!
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Mar 27, 2015 16:46:22 GMT -5
NathanB, NathanB, I think this has gone far enough and I need to insist that you stop. Do not attribute things to me that have been spoken by Frank Stranges. The man is a fraud and he does not in any way represent me nor have I ever given him permission to portray my life or anything else regarding me. There have been multiple examples showing how the information he has put has been proven to be complete lies. I would ask that you no longer portray anything he has claimed regarding me as being factual. At some point I am hoping you realize that there is a difference between having people laugh with you as opposed to at you. Yours, Commander Valiant Thor I will let the readers decide whether Dr. Frank is a fraud or you're the fraud. You can't even produce a picture of your current family to us. So, who is the fraud, here? At least Dr. Frank produce of himself and the REAL Valiant Thor for us to see.
Have you found a picture of your family with you in it, yet? In the past, you sent us a picture of your wife and 2 daughters. So, I asked for a picture of you standing with your family, then you sent us a picture of your family made up with letters words! hahahaha...
Turn out you're a BIG fraud NOT Dr. Frank.I am not going to be here long. I sent you a photograph, as you asked, of my family. I have two daughters but you chose to believe Frank Stranges. I showed you the photo, something Stranges would not be able to do because he has no valid information. I tried to send you the other photo you requested but your computer systems could not read the data as it was saved and converted it into a simple text drawing, the protocol that was defined to be used when viewing modern media on very primitive systems. As I said, I don't have a lot of photos of myself. I usually run the recording device. A friend gave me this black and white photo. It was wrinkled but I was able to scan it for you. If you want to call fraud, get a photo from Stranges that show I am wrong. Regards, Commander Valiant Thor
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Post by SharonArnold on Mar 27, 2015 16:49:36 GMT -5
Let the readers decide...~~ 2013/ Awesome Evidences are found around the world of .... 200 fallen angels had sexual intercourse with women of this earth so their Children become Rulers/Kings elite race through the centuries... Are you sure it wasn't 186 angels? Are all angels male? Well, not my Christmas tree one!
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Post by SharonArnold on Mar 27, 2015 16:51:16 GMT -5
I will let the readers decide whether Dr. Frank is a fraud or you're the fraud. Don't you understand, Nathan?
You keep saying that you will let the readers decide whether Dr. Frank is a fraud. Many of us HAVE decided and we have decided that Dr. Frank is a fraud!
1. Do you think Nathan cares? 2. Do you think he should?
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Post by rational on Mar 27, 2015 17:08:27 GMT -5
According to Valiant and Denna his wife testimony... They have ONLY one daughter NOT two. This maybe your family picture but NOT the Real Valiant Thor's family. I have not been following this closely but I do not believe you have anything that Valiant Thor said. It is all hear say passed down through Dr. Stranges. Stranges claims there is a single daughter. So far we have seen photos with 2 daughters. Stranges has been known to frequently deviate from the truth. You say let the readers decide. You get the photo you asked for then reject it. Too many red flags raised when looking at Dr. Stranges.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2015 17:47:06 GMT -5
Don't you understand, Nathan?
You keep saying that you will let the readers decide whether Dr. Frank is a fraud. Many of us HAVE decided and we have decided that Dr. Frank is a fraud!
1. Do you think Nathan cares? 2. Do you think he should? 1. No 2. Yes.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2015 19:14:13 GMT -5
You're entitled to your belief and opinion. I am just a messenger. I sound the trumpet/bell of warnings and it's up to the people to take heed, prepare, and do whatever they can to escape the fire. I can lead the horse to the water but I can't force it to drink. Nathan, You did tell us to decide for ourselves.
So, I looked at the material on the subject of Thor by Dr. Frank Stranges. I found where he wrote several books, science fiction books based on incidents he could not prove ever happened. He made statements that could not be scientific possible.
So I decided he was either self-deceived or purposely deceiving others. Whichever it was, none of his material held any water. Therefore, I simply couldn't drink it! (even with Kool-ade added)
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Post by bubbles on Mar 27, 2015 19:17:21 GMT -5
Snow I also relished listening to this. Didnt get through it all tho. Thx Good morning bubbles. Hope you get the opportunity to listen to the balance of the video sometime soon. I think you will find it well worth the time. I actually thought the last several speakers were the most interesting and exciting. Svante Paabo's presentation on Neanderthal DNA of course was very interesting though controversial. I like his manner; quiet confidence, very appealing. Diane Ackerman is the best! I luv Diane Ackerman. Really enjoyed her presentation. I would recommend any of her books, they are wonderfully written. The fellow from MIT, Noel Gershenfeld was a fellow from MIT, what more needs be said? Actually, I really enjoyed his presentation. If you ever want to see what a person looks like when they are passionate about their vocation/avocation, this is the segment to watch. I am not a big fan of futurists but I think this fellow may be on to something BIG. My fav, however, is the presentation by Michael Crow, the last speaker. I have never heard a better or more erudite description of "creative destruction". If I were to recommend one segment to be sure to catch, it would be his presentation, I found it very thought provoking. The earlier speakers, I was disappointed with. My veneer of tolerance for cute polar bears clinging tenaciously to little ice cubes is rubbing awfully thin. Like snow, I would really have enjoyed learning more about the Siberian flood basalts and the Permian extinction. This strikes me as a fascinating topic particularly as it relates to the evolution of our species from a very narrow base. Unfortunately, instead of enlightenment, I had be be lectured about my cowardly cynicism and denial . . . . Ggggrrrrrrrrr . . . . I guess those who control the messenger, control the message. Can't we all just get back to the science and leave emoting to real actors? My least favorite presentation was the lecture by Ian Tattersall, the paleoanthropologist. "Looking at the hominid family tree . . . ., find Homo sapiens totally intolerant of competition . . . " Give me a break! Again, I am growing weary of the mantra "Nature - good, Homo sapiens - bad". I guess in its own right it is an interesting phenomena, once one has reduced all existence to quantum mechanical waveforms there is little left to lend meaning to the life of a nihilist than for them to wander around looking for victims and villains. Yes, Homo sapiens may indeed have wiped all of their ancestral brothers and sisters off the face of the earth. Let's mark that down as Hypothesis 1. But then think of Svante Paabo's presentation just prior to Ian's. Notice that little piece of DNA linked to the immune system. Then think of the Bubonic plague, one third of the Homo sapien population of Europe was wiped out in 2 years. Then think of the transmission of the plague-resistant mutation that conferred limited immunity in a few individuals at that time and how that mutant now reappears as a possible source of AIDS resistance in modern populations. Might it not be possible that Homo sapiens survived a devastating plague due to a mutation not carried by our poor brethren? Perhaps, then too, Neanderthals and the others might have been erased from the fossil record over a geologically short period of time. Would it be "unscientific" to mark that possibility as Hypothesis 2 and at least discuss the implications? Anyway all of my negativity is getting in the way of what was in fact a delightfully interesting and informative conference. Once again, thanks snow for the link. Hope you get to watch the balance bubbles. Yknot Firstly I apologize this took so long. What a WOW this was for me. I listened a had to rewind so many times these guys are way out of my league. I found the comments fascinating and impacting... Im going to keep editing bz Im sick of dropping out and loosing text. This interested me. "We (homosapians ) deconstruct the world around us into mental images, symbols and rearrange in our minds. " ( I know cz I do this.) "Our minds have a unique capacity for innovation and complex planning.(I do this too) "Neanderthals never remade the world in their minds the way we do." 40,000 yr ago homadine species suddenly vanished. "We appear to be totally intolerant of competition. Whats more we are capable of enforcing this." I disagree with this last comment. Not everybody is intolerant of competition. Only competitive people of which I am not. Also as a species we care about other people generally. To prove this point look at how nations support another in time of need. 3-D point? How to turn data into things? This MIT guy ..lol..he lost me so frequently so fast. But what I can gleen from all the complex wording sounds waaaay third field. However believable to an extent. I do ask does this mean that they will be able to produce beef without a steer?? Now that kinda kills off the natural way things were created for us human beings. Digital fabrication. Blow up uni's? I can see that happening with the take over of fab labs. Creating what you consume? And they aint talking about my biodiverse garden..hmm I love nature. So I dont think I would like what hes suggesting. Now the last guy..man the language was so complex and condensed. I could easily rub shoulders with him for a while for him to impart some of that stuff. I dont mean that in a sexual way. I believe in impartation..maybe shouldnt have written that. He was a wealth of knowledge. He talked about the extinction of class based systems. Think hes right. Being an optomist he said "only opportunity lies ahead" I liked that. Yknot. I so enjoyed the excersize so thank you snow. I was listening and rewinding trying to understand them between cooking a 3 course meal for guests.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2015 20:01:00 GMT -5
Another article written by Commander Valiant Thor on the Angels of God© Dr. Frank E. Stranges, NICUFO NICUFO
The National Investigations Committee on UFOs (NICUFO) was founded in July, 1967, , by Dr. Frank E. Stranges.
NICUFO is an organization started by Dr. Frank Stranges and is NOT connected to any official government or scientific entity! NICUFO is now directed by his wife, Julie Ann Stranges. One man & his wife have made a great deal of money from the books he wrote & the movie of which he collaborated !
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Post by placid-void on Mar 27, 2015 20:06:56 GMT -5
Yknot Firstly I apologize this took so long. What a WOW this was for me. I listened a had to rewind so many times these guys are way out of my league. I found the comments fascinating and impacting... Im going to keep editing bz Im sick of dropping out and loosing text. This interested me. "We (homosapians ) deconstruct the world around us into mental images, symbols and rearrange in our minds. " ( I know cz I do this.) "Our minds have a unique capacity for innovation and complex planning.(I do this too) "Neanderthals never remade the world in their minds the way we do." 40,000 yr ago homadine species suddenly vanished. "We appear to be totally intolerant of competition. Whats more we are capable of enforcing this." I disagree with this last comment. Not everybody is intolerant of competition. Only competitive people of which I am not. Also as a species we care about other people generally. To prove this point look at how nations support another in time of need. 3-D point? How to turn data into things? This MIT guy ..lol..he lost me so frequently so fast. But what I can gleen from all the complex wording sounds waaaay third field. However believable to an extent. I do ask does this mean that they will be able to produce beef without a steer?? Now that kinda kills off the natural way things were created for us human beings. Digital fabrication. Blow up uni's? I can see that happening with the take over of fab labs. Creating what you consume? And they aint talking about my biodiverse garden..hmm I love nature. So I dont think I would like what hes suggesting. Now the last guy..man the language was so complex and condensed. I could easily rub shoulders with him for a while for him to impart some of that stuff. I dont mean that in a sexual way. I believe in impartation..maybe shouldnt have written that. He was a wealth of knowledge. He talked about the extinction of class based systems. Think hes right. Being an optomist he said "only opportunity lies ahead" I liked that. Yknot. I so enjoyed the excersize so thank you snow. I was listening and rewinding trying to understand them between cooking a 3 course meal for guests. Bubbles, I am delighted that you enjoyed the video. Like you, I also thought it was really fascinating. Some of it made the mind stretch a bit, but I don't think that is a bad thing. If you would like to talk about some of the video in greater depth sometime, let me know, I would enjoy pursuing some of the ideas a little deeper. In the meantime . . . . . . . Bon appetit!
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Post by Mary on Mar 27, 2015 20:08:49 GMT -5
Hebrews 1:8-12 The Father calls the son God.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.....
John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (These verses say, Jesus was the word and he was with God and he was God).
Thomas also said My Lord and My God. Jesus did not say no I am not God.
There are numerous places that say Jesus was God. He prayed to the Father while on earth -because he was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of Man. He left his glory in heaven with the Father to come to earth to live as a human.
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