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Post by maryhig on Mar 23, 2015 13:47:02 GMT -5
Pre-Adamic Life: Did It Exist, and Is There Evidence? There has been a lot of news as of late regarding archaeological finds that date well before the Biblical creation account. This is causing people to doubt the Biblical account. So, might there be some sort of Biblical explanation for this? It appears there is. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtviSwIPjQQ Here I go again, I'm getting ready to get jumped at :/ But the Bible doesn't say as Adam was the first man. In genesis 1 it says God created man, in the image of God created he him. Male and female created he them. So man was created before Adam.
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Post by snow on Mar 23, 2015 14:31:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 16:12:41 GMT -5
Nathan, I am surprised that you use the word "evidence" in your thread.
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Post by placid-void on Mar 23, 2015 21:29:55 GMT -5
Snow, I really, really, really enjoyed that video. Very interesting presentations. Some parts I take issue with but for the most part the presentations were very provocative. Thanks for the link!
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 23, 2015 22:49:33 GMT -5
Here I go again, I'm getting ready to get jumped at :/ But the Bible doesn't say as Adam was the first man. In genesis 1 it says God created man, in the image of God created he him. Male and female created he them. So man was created before Adam. Actually, the Genesis creation narrative is made up of two parts.
" In the first part, Genesis 1:1-2:3, Elohim, the Hebrew generic word for God, creates the heaven and the earth in six days, starting with darkness and light on the first day, and ending with the creation of mankind on the sixth day. God then rests on, blesses and sanctifies the seventh day." " In the second part, Genesis 2:4-2:24 God, now referred to by the personal name "Yahweh", creates the first man from dust and breathes life into him. God then places him in the Garden of Eden and creates the first woman from his rib as a companion." from wiki
The Genesis creation narrative was composed during the Babylonian captivity of the 6th and 5th centuries BCE. The two different versions were combined at that time, resulting in some dissonance.
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Post by snow on Mar 23, 2015 22:51:43 GMT -5
Snow, I really, really, really enjoyed that video. Very interesting presentations. Some parts I take issue with but for the most part the presentations were very provocative. Thanks for the link! Your welcome. The question period in part 2 was interesting too if you're interested. I thought it was interesting to know we have Neanderthal in us! Also, liked the new era of how to deliver education. All I can say is I hope there isn't a volcano like the Siberian one any time in my lifetime...
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Post by maryhig on Mar 24, 2015 1:41:39 GMT -5
Here I go again, I'm getting ready to get jumped at :/ But the Bible doesn't say as Adam was the first man. In genesis 1 it says God created man, in the image of God created he him. Male and female created he them. So man was created before Adam. Actually, the Genesis creation narrative is made up of two parts.
" In the first part, Genesis 1:1-2:3, Elohim, the Hebrew generic word for God, creates the heaven and the earth in six days, starting with darkness and light on the first day, and ending with the creation of mankind on the sixth day. God then rests on, blesses and sanctifies the seventh day." " In the second part, Genesis 2:4-2:24 God, now referred to by the personal name "Yahweh", creates the first man from dust and breathes life into him. God then places him in the Garden of Eden and creates the first woman from his rib as a companion." from wiki
The Genesis creation narrative was composed during the Babylonian captivity of the 6th and 5th centuries BCE. The two different versions were combined at that time, resulting in some dissonance.
I'm afraid I see that differently, it has a very deep meaning, especially about Adam. But I won't go into that. The Bible is written correctly and isn't all mixed up. God has made sure we have all we need to know in there and everything is in its right place. The natural mind sees it differently to the spiritual heart. And tries to work it out. But it never will. Only God can give us understanding not man's mind.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 24, 2015 2:07:31 GMT -5
Actually, the Genesis creation narrative is made up of two parts.
" In the first part, Genesis 1:1-2:3, Elohim, the Hebrew generic word for God, creates the heaven and the earth in six days, starting with darkness and light on the first day, and ending with the creation of mankind on the sixth day. God then rests on, blesses and sanctifies the seventh day." " In the second part, Genesis 2:4-2:24 God, now referred to by the personal name "Yahweh", creates the first man from dust and breathes life into him. God then places him in the Garden of Eden and creates the first woman from his rib as a companion." from wiki
The Genesis creation narrative was composed during the Babylonian captivity of the 6th and 5th centuries BCE. The two different versions were combined at that time, resulting in some dissonance.
I'm afraid I see that differently, it has a very deep meaning, especially about Adam. But I won't go into that. The Bible is written correctly and isn't all mixed up. God has made sure we have all we need to know in there and everything is in its right place. The natural mind sees it differently to the spiritual heart. And tries to work it out. But it never will. Only God can give us understanding not man's mind. It really isn't a matter of whether the bible was written correctly, -it is a matter of understanding that the bible is not meant as a continuous "whole" book but rather made up of several different books and has been translated & re-translated many times.
Actually the study of How Our Bible Came to Us is quite interesting .
There is copy of the book in my husband's collection of books on the Bible.
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Post by placid-void on Mar 24, 2015 11:13:45 GMT -5
Pre-Adamic Life: Did It Exist, and Is There Evidence? There has been a lot of news as of late regarding archaeological finds that date well before the Biblical creation account. This is causing people to doubt the Biblical account. So, might there be some sort of Biblical explanation for this? It appears there is. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtviSwIPjQQ NathanB, I am struggling with your opening post and the link provided. I assume that your interest in the question posed is serious otherwise I may have ‘egg on my face’. I have taken the question as a serious question and listened to the exposition on the link. I find that I am incredulous of the biblical citations used by the speaker to justify the “existence of pre-Adamic life”. My first reaction is to ask why one would not merely study, analyze and critique the existing fossil record and the methods of analysis used to date these specimens to “confirm pre-Adamic life”? I am aware of the young earth creationists belief in a literal interpretation of ancient texts as divinely inspired knowledge of the age of the earth and personally I defend the right of these individuals to hold their beliefs. The link you provided, however, suggest to me that some fundamentalist holding these beliefs are now seeking a “face saving” line of reasoning to accommodate new information as it becomes available. Is this essentially what is occurring in the link you provided? The path appears tortuous to an outsider (one who does not hold these beliefs). I remain hopelessly confused by what I interpret as an excessive effort to find biblical justification for the interpretation of artifacts encountered in normal human experience. In what way does the endless search for complex justifications of a literal interpretation of the Bible contribute to simple faith and the joy of reflecting on the ancient wisdom discoverable in those texts? I ask this as an honest question. Your thoughtful response would be much appreciated.
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Post by placid-void on Mar 24, 2015 13:36:59 GMT -5
OK, then. Thank you for sharing your perspective.
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Post by rational on Mar 24, 2015 17:35:05 GMT -5
Here I go again, I'm getting ready to get jumped at :/ But the Bible doesn't say as Adam was the first man. In genesis 1 it says God created man, in the image of God created he him. Male and female created he them. So man was created before Adam. Which part of the bible? 1 Corinthians 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 24, 2015 18:50:01 GMT -5
Here I go again, I'm getting ready to get jumped at :/ But the Bible doesn't say as Adam was the first man. In genesis 1 it says God created man, in the image of God created he him. Male and female created he them. So man was created before Adam. Which part of the bible? 1 Corinthians 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.It says the above in Genesis 1, Adam is in Genesis 2 What you have written from Corinthians means first Adam was a living soul then Adam was a quickening spirit. Otherwise what is the last man Adam? Do you understand what that means?
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Post by Mary on Mar 24, 2015 19:47:49 GMT -5
Some questions for me from this thread:
If God had created man in Genesis 1 why does he say there was no man to till the ground in chapter 2 so he created Adam. If man was created in chapter 1 then there would have been a man to till the ground prior to Adam.
Who was this man he created in chapter one if he had to create Adam in chapter 2 or was he referring to Adam in chapter one?
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Post by rational on Mar 24, 2015 19:59:40 GMT -5
Which part of the bible? 1 Corinthians 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.It says the above in Genesis 1, Adam is in Genesis 2 What you have written from Corinthians means first Adam was a living soul then Adam was a quickening spirit. Otherwise what is the last man Adam? Do you understand what that means? You are asking an atheist! Consensus is that the first Adam was the first man and the last Adam was Jesus.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 24, 2015 20:05:40 GMT -5
It says the above in Genesis 1, Adam is in Genesis 2 What you have written from Corinthians means first Adam was a living soul then Adam was a quickening spirit. Otherwise what is the last man Adam? Do you understand what that means? You are asking an atheist! Consensus is that the first Adam was the first man and the last Adam was Jesus. I don't believe that! Let me correct that, I don't believe that in the sense of Jesus when he came to earth if that's what you mean. But as you said you don't believe anyway! I have edited this It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. - 1 Corinthians:15:44 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. - 1 Corinthians:15:45 We are a living soul when we hear the word of God and take it in. This is the seed in the natural body. Christ in our hearts quickens our spirit. And the spirit keeps us alive as long as we believe. This is the spiritual body! You have to read the whole chapter.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 24, 2015 20:07:51 GMT -5
Some questions for me from this thread: If God had created man in Genesis 1 why does he say there was no man to till the ground in chapter 2 so he created Adam. If man was created in chapter 1 then there would have been a man to till the ground prior to Adam. Who was this man he created in chapter one if he had to create Adam in chapter 2 or was he referring to Adam in chapter one? Mary what do you think till the ground is? There are meanings to all that about Adam, you believe in God, pray and ask him!
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Post by maryhig on Mar 24, 2015 20:10:48 GMT -5
I'm definitely not getting into this. If you don't believe in Adam because you're an atheist fair enough! And Mary you believe in God, ask him for answers as I did.
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Post by rational on Mar 24, 2015 20:26:15 GMT -5
I'm definitely not getting into this. If you don't believe in Adam because you're an atheist fair enough! And Mary you believe in God, ask him for answers as I did. Now, let's be fair. Because I am an atheist I don't believe in god. It follows that I do not think that the bible is an inspired/divinely created. I also do not think it is without error. But I do not believe in Adam because there is overwhelming evidence that humans were not created from dust and the time frame for Adam being the man created just days after the formation of the universe also makes no sense. Other translations: New Living TranslationThe Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam--that is, Christ--is a life-giving Spirit.
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Post by rational on Mar 24, 2015 20:28:54 GMT -5
My understanding is what Rational wrote, Adam was the first man, Jesus was the last man - as much as I hate to admit it due to him being an atheist ;) I believe what Rational wrote. Oh Mary, beware of the "Dark Side"!
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Post by maryhig on Mar 24, 2015 20:33:30 GMT -5
I'm definitely not getting into this. If you don't believe in Adam because you're an atheist fair enough! And Mary you believe in God, ask him for answers as I did. Now, let's be fair. Because I am an atheist I don't believe in god. It follows that I do not think that the bible is an inspired/divinely created. I also do not think it is without error. But I do not believe in Adam because there is overwhelming evidence that humans were not created from dust and the time frame for Adam being the man created just days after the formation of the universe also makes no sense. Other translations: New Living TranslationThe Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam--that is, Christ--is a life-giving Spirit.Rational we are dust! The dust that you wipe up is full of human skin! We are the dust that God is talking about. The story of Adam had a deeper meaning. You can never work it out with a rational mind!
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Post by maryhig on Mar 24, 2015 20:37:26 GMT -5
I'm definitely not getting into this. If you don't believe in Adam because you're an atheist fair enough! And Mary you believe in God, ask him for answers as I did. Now, let's be fair. Because I am an atheist I don't believe in god. It follows that I do not think that the bible is an inspired/divinely created. I also do not think it is without error. But I do not believe in Adam because there is overwhelming evidence that humans were not created from dust and the time frame for Adam being the man created just days after the formation of the universe also makes no sense. Other translations: New Living TranslationThe Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam--that is, Christ--is a life-giving Spirit.2Peter 3:8 But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. God's days are not our days! Also don't you think its strange being the evening and the morning was the first day, and a tree of knowledge of good and evil? These have deeper meanings! I have edited my previous post regarding Adam.
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Post by rational on Mar 24, 2015 20:58:35 GMT -5
Rational we are dust! The dust that you wipe up is full of human skin! We are the dust that God is talking about. The story of Adam had a deeper meaning. You can never work it out with a rational mind! Ahh, so it is an irrational thing!
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Post by maryhig on Mar 24, 2015 21:00:50 GMT -5
Rational we are dust! The dust that you wipe up is full of human skin! We are the dust that God is talking about. The story of Adam had a deeper meaning. You can never work it out with a rational mind! Ahh, so it is an irrational thing! No it's a spiritual thing
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Post by rational on Mar 24, 2015 21:13:55 GMT -5
t is only a small part 2Peter 3:8 But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. God's days are not our days! Also don't you think its strange being the evening and the morning was the first day, and a tree of knowledge of good and evil? These have deeper meanings! That is only a small part of the things that I think are strange. Do they have deeper meanings or have deeper meanings been applied because without this alternative meaning the text is meaningless? Does turning days into years really help when the sun and moon were created well after light and mornings and evenings?
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Post by maryhig on Mar 24, 2015 21:15:30 GMT -5
t is only a small part 2Peter 3:8 But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. God's days are not our days! Also don't you think its strange being the evening and the morning was the first day, and a tree of knowledge of good and evil? These have deeper meanings! That is only a small part of the things that I think are strange. Do they have deeper meanings or have deeper meanings been applied because without this alternative meaning the text is meaningless? Does turning days into years really help when the sun and moon were created well after light and mornings and evenings? Those days have deeper meanings also. I think I've said enough! it's a shame you don't believe in God, because you could ask him!
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Post by rational on Mar 24, 2015 21:17:09 GMT -5
Ahh, so it is an irrational thing! No it's a spiritual thing ;) Hmmm, you can't work it out with a rational mind because it is a spiritual thing. What does that make a spiritual thing?
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Post by rational on Mar 24, 2015 21:20:45 GMT -5
Those days have deeper meanings also. I think I've said enough! :) At some point you have to ask how deep a hole you want to dig!Oh I could still ask god and get as valid an answer as anyone else. It is amazing how the answer(s) god gives to people reflects their own beliefs!
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Post by maryhig on Mar 24, 2015 21:27:08 GMT -5
Those days have deeper meanings also. I think I've said enough! At some point you have to ask how deep a hole you want to dig!Oh I could still ask god and get as valid an answer as anyone else. It is amazing how the answer(s) god gives to people reflects their own beliefs! At some point I have to ask when its time I shut up! My husband says that often anyway
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