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Post by bulsi on Mar 18, 2015 13:25:14 GMT -5
Each State should have them...and not a bible study but a board meeting to discuss problems in your field (area)Workers finance convetions,insurance ,aftercare nursing home for older workers financial responsibility..Able to vote in secret to demote head workers for misconduct
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 14:25:04 GMT -5
What exactly are the responsibilities and job description of an elder?
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Post by withlove on Mar 18, 2015 22:29:33 GMT -5
A town hall type meeting for all members would be nice for total transparency.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 18, 2015 22:36:39 GMT -5
Each State should have them...and not a bible study but a board meeting to discuss problems in your field (area)Workers finance convetions,insurance ,aftercare nursing home for older workers financial responsibility..Able to vote in secret to demote head workers for misconduct BULSI
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 18, 2015 22:37:51 GMT -5
What exactly are the responsibilities and job description of an elder? To snitch on the others in the meeting -- my meeting elder admitted.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 18, 2015 22:46:12 GMT -5
Each State should have them...and not a bible study but a board meeting to discuss problems in your field (area)Workers finance convetions,insurance ,aftercare nursing home for older workers financial responsibility..Able to vote in secret to demote head workers for misconduct BULSI Good luck with that. Have you ever been in church when they have committe meetings?
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Post by bubbles on Mar 18, 2015 22:47:56 GMT -5
What exactly are the responsibilities and job description of an elder? I think they differ from the early church. I dont mean to sound sarcastic. You would need to ask the overseer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 3:36:42 GMT -5
What exactly are the responsibilities and job description of an elder? To snitch on the others in the meeting -- my meeting elder admitted. Oh! In the business of religeous espionage eh! Come on elders or former elders, defend yourselves. I was hoping that an elder or former elder would have enlightened me, since some aspects in the fellowship are not universal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 3:40:06 GMT -5
What exactly are the responsibilities and job description of an elder? I think they differ from the early church. I dont mean to sound sarcastic. You would need to ask the overseer. It is not that important to me, just thought that an elder or former elder might throw light on the matter as there may be different practices in different countries. No big :)thing.
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Post by emy on Mar 19, 2015 13:42:44 GMT -5
I know you know this, partaker, but thought it would be good to review. I don't think there is any change. 1 Timothy 3 1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. Titus !:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; 8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; 9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught,... 1Pet. 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, ... 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock. ... 5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: About "snitching"... 1 Cor. 5:1 It is reported commonly ... Rom 1:8 ...your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. 1 Cor 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe... Phil 4:2 I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord. ! Thess. 3:6 But now when Timotheus came from you unto us, and brought us good tidings of your faith and charity Tit.1:9 ... that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, (written of elders)Philemon: 5 Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints; 2 Pet. 2:10- 21Jude 1:3 it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, ...10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not:...12 These are spots in your feasts of charity,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 16:33:32 GMT -5
I know you know this, partaker, but thought it would be good to review. I don't think there is any change. 1 Timothy 3 1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. Titus !:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; 8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; 9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught,... 1Pet. 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, ... 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock. ... 5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: About "snitching"... 1 Cor. 5:1 It is reported commonly ... Rom 1:8 ...your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. 1 Cor 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe... Phil 4:2 I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord. ! Thess. 3:6 But now when Timotheus came from you unto us, and brought us good tidings of your faith and charity Tit.1:9 ... that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, (written of elders)Philemon: 5 Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints; 2 Pet. 2:10- 21Jude 1:3 it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, ...10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not:...12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, Thanks emy for your patience and trouble, a very helpful reminder, I do appreciate it
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 19, 2015 16:49:37 GMT -5
To snitch on the others in the meeting -- my meeting elder admitted. Oh! In the business of religeous espionage eh! Come on elders or former elders, defend yourselves. I was hoping that an elder or former elder would have enlightened me, since some aspects in the fellowship are not universal. Well, you can take my perspective from my part of the world, since I had elder responsibilities for a few meetings. Lead a meeting, answer questions, and call the workers when there's a problem. Oh yes -- and have no television or stone in your wife's wedding band. My replacement confirmed that those were his responsibilities as well -- to report on me. I asked, he was stupid enough to admit it.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 19, 2015 17:14:13 GMT -5
Oh! In the business of religeous espionage eh! Come on elders or former elders, defend yourselves. I was hoping that an elder or former elder would have enlightened me, since some aspects in the fellowship are not universal. Well, you can take my perspective from my part of the world, since I had elder responsibilities for a few meetings. Lead a meeting, answer questions, and call the workers when there's a problem. Oh yes -- and have no television or stone in your wife's wedding band. My replacement confirmed that those were his responsibilities as well -- to report on me. I asked, he was stupid enough tox admit it. Bob When you were an elder as spiritual oversight did you fast and interceed for the people? Did you nurture them in their most holy faith?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 12:12:17 GMT -5
Eldon Tenniswood had some elder's meetings in the 1970s and 80s.
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Post by CherieKropp on Mar 22, 2015 15:00:29 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 22, 2015 18:17:06 GMT -5
Well, you can take my perspective from my part of the world, since I had elder responsibilities for a few meetings. Lead a meeting, answer questions, and call the workers when there's a problem. Oh yes -- and have no television or stone in your wife's wedding band. My replacement confirmed that those were his responsibilities as well -- to report on me. I asked, he was stupid enough tox admit it. Bob When you were an elder as spiritual oversight did you fast and interceed for the people? Did you nurture them in their most holy faith? Now that's a loaded question. Do you mean in YOUR understanding of spiritual oversight, etc., or in MY understanding of spiritual oversight? And unless you're referring to fasting in the "spiritual" sense, no I never fasted -- my doctor told me not to.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 22, 2015 21:58:26 GMT -5
Bob When you were an elder as spiritual oversight did you fast and interceed for the people? Did you nurture them in their most holy faith? Now that's a loaded question. Do you mean in YOUR understanding of spiritual oversight, etc., or in MY understanding of spiritual oversight? And unless you're referring to fasting in the "spiritual" sense, no I never fasted -- my doctor told me not to. Not loaded at all. In my understanding of the role of elders. How do you fast spiritually? IYO?
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 22, 2015 23:08:55 GMT -5
Now that's a loaded question. Do you mean in YOUR understanding of spiritual oversight, etc., or in MY understanding of spiritual oversight? And unless you're referring to fasting in the "spiritual" sense, no I never fasted -- my doctor told me not to. Not loaded at all. In my understanding of the role of elders. How do you fast spiritually? IYO? Yes, it was loaded -- you have your own understanding of the role of elders -- I expect mine is different. As for fasting spiritually, I have no idea what that is. And to my knowledge all fasting in the Bibles was literal fasting.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 23, 2015 7:11:28 GMT -5
Not loaded at all. In my understanding of the role of elders. How do you fast spiritually? IYO? Yes, it was loaded -- you have your own understanding of the role of elders -- I expect mine is different. As for fasting spiritually, I have no idea what that is. And to my knowledge all fasting in the Bibles was literal fasting. I hadnt heard the term 'spiritual fasting'. Had to look it up. My understanding for the role of an elder is the scriptural discription.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 23, 2015 7:42:12 GMT -5
In the Old Testament, God commanded Israel to observe several set times of fasting. For New Testament believers, fasting was neither commanded nor forbidden in the Bible. While early Christians were not required to fast, many practiced prayer and fasting regularly. Jesus himself affirmed in Luke 5:35 that after his death fasting would be appropriate for his followers. Spiritual fasting clearly has a place and a purpose for God's people today. What Is Spiritual Fasting?•Fasting •Breakthrough Prayer •Jesus Healing Bible •Christianity •New Testament Bible most cases, a spiritual fast involves abstaining from food while focusing on prayer. This can mean refraining from snacks between meals, skipping one or two meals a day, abstaining only from certain foods, or a total fast from all food for an entire day or longer. For medical reasons, some people may not be able to fast from food altogether. They may choose to abstain only from certain foods, like sugar or chocolate, or from something other than food. In truth, believers can fast from anything. Doing without something temporarily, such as television or soda, as a way of redirecting our focus from earthly things toward God, can also be considered a spiritual fast. The Purpose of Spiritual Fasting. While many people fast to lose weight, dieting is not the purpose of a spiritual fast. Instead, fasting provides unique spiritual benefits in the life of the believer. Fasting requires self-control and discipline as one denies the natural desires of the flesh. During spiritual fasting, the believer's focus is removed from the physical things of this world and intensely concentrated on God. Put differently, fasting directs our hunger toward God. It clears the mind and body of earthly attentions and draws us close to God. So, as we gain spiritual clarity of thought while fasting, it allows us to hear God more clearly. Fasting also demonstrates a profound need for God's help and guidance through complete dependence upon him. What Spiritual Fasting Is NotSpiritual fasting is not a way to earn God's favor by getting him to do something for us. Rather, the purpose is to produce a transformation in us—a clearer, more focused attention and dependence upon God. .Fasting is never to be a public display of spirituality—it is between you and God alone. In fact, Jesus specifically instructed us in Matthew 6:16-18 to let our fasting be done privately and in humility, else we forfeit the benefits. .While Old Testament fasting was a sign of mourning, New Testament believers were taught to practice fasting with a cheerful attitude. .Lastly, it should be understood, spiritual fasting is never for the purpose of punishing or harming the body. More Questions About Spiritual Fasting How long should I fast?.Fasting, especially from food, should be limited to a determined length of time. Fasting for too long can cause harm to the body. .While I hesitate to state the obvious, your decision to fast should be guided by the Holy Spirit. In addition, I highly recommend, especially if you've never fasted, that you seek both medical and spiritual counsel before embarking on any type of prolonged fast. While Jesus and Moses both fasted for 40 days without food and water, this was clearly an impossible human achievement, only accomplished through the Holy Spirit's empowerment. .(Important Note: Fasting without water is extremely dangerous. Although I have fasted on many occasions, the longest being a period of 6 days, I have never been led to do so without water.) .How often can I fast? .New Testament Christians practiced prayer and fasting regularly. Since there is no biblical command to fast, believers should be led by God through prayer concerning when and how often to fast. Examples of Fasting in the Bible Old Testament•Moses fasted 40 days on behalf of Israel’s sin: Deuteronomy 9:9, 18, 25-29; 10:10. •David fasted and mourned the death of Saul: 2 Samuel 1:12. •David fasted and mourned the death of Abner: 2 Samuel 3:35. •David fasted and mourned the death of his child: 2 Samuel 12:16. •Elijah fasted 40 days after fleeing from Jezebel: 1 Kings 19:7-18. •Ahab fasted and humbled himself before God: 1 Kings 21:27-29. •Darius fasted in concern for Daniel: Daniel 6:18-24. •Daniel fasted on behalf of Judah's sin while reading Jeremiah’s prophecy: Daniel 9:1-19. •Daniel fasted regarding a mysterious vision from God: Daniel 10:3-13. •Esther fasted on behalf of her people: Esther 4:13-16. •Ezra fasted and wept for the sins of the returning remnant: Ezra 10:6-17. •Nehemiah fasted and mourned over the broken walls of Jerusalem: Nehemiah 1:4-2:10. •The people of Ninevah fasted after hearing the message of Jonah: Jonah 3. New Testament •Anna fasted for the redemption of Jerusalem through the coming Messiah: Luke 2:37. •Jesus fasted 40 days before his temptation and the beginning of his ministry: Matthew 4:1-11. •The disciples of John the Baptist fasted: Matthew 9:14-15. •The elders in Antioch fasted before sending off Paul and Barnabas: Acts 13:1-5. •Cornelius fasted and sought God’s plan of salvation: Acts 10:30. •Paul fasted three day fast after his Damascus Road encounter: Acts 9:9. •Paul fasted 14 days while at sea on a sinking ship: Acts 27:33-34. christianity.about.com/od/whatdoesthebiblesay/a/spiritualfasting.htmHi nate Yes I understanding fasting. The holy spirit taught me a long time ago.just never heard it labeled 'spiritual fasting.'
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 23, 2015 21:17:54 GMT -5
Yes, it was loaded -- you have your own understanding of the role of elders -- I expect mine is different. As for fasting spiritually, I have no idea what that is. And to my knowledge all fasting in the Bibles was literal fasting. I hadnt heard the term 'spiritual fasting'. Had to look it up. My understanding for the role of an elder is the scriptural discription. Which is anyone's guess, really.
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