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Post by Greg on Mar 27, 2015 14:09:38 GMT -5
The early 2x2 workers and friends understanding and revelation.... "from the shores of Galilee" is Correct. What goes back to the shores of Galilee? "Meeting" in the home goers back to the first Passover. Going two and two goes back to at least those that were sent to spy out the promised land. Homeless preachers goes back to OT times, too. They were also correct on the Deity of Christ, Jesus is God (the Son), and the Trinity. Hard to know how many did. I'm thinking maybe 5% thought such a teaching was important. Maybe none did.
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Post by mdm on Mar 27, 2015 14:50:26 GMT -5
The first worker we met told us in general terms when and where it was started. He knew some of the first workers. Should he have erased from his memory that which he knew as a fact? Which fact did this worker tell you? That he himself knew some of the first workers. If they were the first, then there were no workers before them and there was no Fellowship as we know it before them.
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Post by Mary on Mar 27, 2015 15:56:37 GMT -5
Good to see you Nathan, admitting that the 2x2 church was not from the shores of Galilee like you have said for the last 11, 12 years or so. You have recently changed this to people have always gone out and met in believers homes since Jesus day. Of course we all know that. Christianity never died out, it has been here since the Shores of Galilee. What the workers have lead people to believe however, is that their church fellowship has been there since Jesus day. This is not correct and an attempt to mislead people. Like all churches it has broken away from other groups when the workers have declared they are different from other churches as other churches have a founder but they do not - that Jesus is their founder.
We have always said that William Irvine broke from the Faith Mission. It is you who said that the 2x2church has always been there and that William got it from his sister. Now you are saying what Cherie has been saying all the long. You are even saying that the 2x2 church has a beginning around 1898 or so something.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 27, 2015 16:22:09 GMT -5
That he himself knew some of the first workers. If they were the first, then there were no workers before them and there was no Fellowship as we know it before them. The workers before 2x2 workers were the Faith Mission workers... the workers before the Faith Mission were the Vaudois.... the workers before the Vaudois were Paul, Barnabas, Timothy, Silas, Titus, Peter, John, Matthew, etc..... the worker before Paul, Peter, John and Matthew was Jesus from the shores of Galilee.
Paul wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation, to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the Word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were beseeching you by us: we pray you on Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. For He hath made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
II Cor. 6:1 We then, as workers together with Him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.Paul wrote in I Cor. 3:8-11 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one, and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor. For we are laborers together with God; ye are God’s husbandry; ye are God’s building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For no man can lay another foundation than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.That he himself knew some of the first workers. If they were the first, then there were no workers before them and there was no Fellowship as we know it before them. The workers before 2x2 workers were the Faith Mission workers... the workers before the Faith Mission were the Vaudois.... the workers before the Vaudois were Paul, Barnabas, Timothy, Silas, Titus, Peter, John, Matthew, etc..... the worker before Paul, Peter, John and Matthew was Jesus from the shores of Galilee.
Paul wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation, to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the Word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were beseeching you by us: we pray you on Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. For He hath made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
II Cor. 6:1 We then, as workers together with Him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.Paul wrote in I Cor. 3:8-11 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one, and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor. For we are laborers together with God; ye are God’s husbandry; ye are God’s building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For no man can lay another foundation than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.That he himself knew some of the first workers. If they were the first, then there were no workers before them and there was no Fellowship as we know it before them. The workers before 2x2 workers were the Faith Mission workers... the workers before the Faith Mission were the Vaudois.... the workers before the Vaudois were Paul, Barnabas, Timothy, Silas, Titus, Peter, John, Matthew, etc..... the worker before Paul, Peter, John and Matthew was Jesus from the shores of Galilee.
I'm sorry, Nathan, that you can't accept the historical reality of the beginnings of when the 2x2's.
The beginning workers were not from or through the Vaudois. Wm. Irvin did come from the Faith Mission but the Faith Mission didn't come from the Vaudois either.
Attempting to trace the 2x2's through history is unproductive & a waste of time. You only have to look at the whole of the world history of Christianity to realize that goal is impossible.
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Post by Mary on Mar 27, 2015 17:10:08 GMT -5
Of course, the Faith Mission is still there, the Waldensians are still there. They are all still there. The Faith Mission was nothing to do with the Waldensians. It is and always has been a Protestant evangelical Christian organisation. John Govan was a mainstream protestant, nothing to do with the Waldensians. You have made up the lineage from the Waldensians to the Faith Mission, Nathan.
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Post by snow on Mar 27, 2015 17:35:12 GMT -5
The Waldensian and the Franciscan order both petitioned the RCC around the same time. Neither were trying to break away from the Catholic Church but rather wanting to be allowed to add a component to it they thought was relevant, such as their poverty beliefs. One is still part of the church and Waldo and his followers eventually got excommunicated and went their own way. But their original Confessions of Faith included infant baptism, transubstantiation etc. Nothing about them when they started out even remotely resembles the 2x2's or Faith Mission or even the way the Waldensian church believes today. They were originally Catholic and petitioned the pope to be allowed to preach their beliefs and they were denied that petition.
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