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Post by terfly4fun on Mar 1, 2015 14:47:24 GMT -5
Jesus Christ is was the son of GOD and Mary ... not Joseph and Mary . Right? Ok was Mary related to David? What makes Jesus related to David? Joseph was the step-Dad of Jesus ... not his blood/flesh Dad .... right? GOD fathered Jesus....right? Ok ... how could Jesus be the blood relative of ANYONE in the Bible except on Mary's, his mother's, side? I don't get it.
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Post by terfly4fun on Mar 1, 2015 16:31:18 GMT -5
Also ... if Jesus is GOD why did he tell his mom " ... I am about my Father's business ..." when he correctef his mom and told her who his father REALLY was?
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Post by xna on Mar 1, 2015 16:59:43 GMT -5
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Post by terfly4fun on Mar 1, 2015 17:19:44 GMT -5
So why do bible references say Jesus is ftom the lineage of David? I believe there's something wrong with this story.
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Post by terfly4fun on Mar 1, 2015 20:57:50 GMT -5
Thanks Nathan. I was having trouble understanding this. You have made it so clear. I sure appreciate it. I appreciate you on here and you have helped me understand a lot of things.
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Post by responding on Mar 2, 2015 2:27:52 GMT -5
Question by terfly4fun: Why are there two different genealogies for Jesus? One in Matthew 1 and also in Luke, chapter 3? And why does Matthew 1 record Joseph's genealogy?Answer: The Gospel of Matthew records Joseph’s genealogy and the Gospel of Luke records Jesus’ genealogy through Mary. (Joseph cannot have two fathers-- therefore we must conclude that Heli was Joseph's father-in-law, recorded in Luke 3.) Nathan - You've got the two genealogies correct - Joseph, husband of Mary, descended from the lineage of the Israelite kings and Mary descended from Nathan, another of David's sons. I have a question however about your statement "Heli was Joseph's father-in-law".
I think there's a simpler explanation - please check out Numbers 27:4 and 36:6. If Mary had no brothers, Jesus as her oldest son would legally take her place in the family genealogy.
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Post by Mary on Mar 2, 2015 3:57:04 GMT -5
It would be good Nathan if you would put the links to the websites you get the information from so we can check the source.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 4:35:29 GMT -5
Is all this too much for, or beyond our human, comprehension? When we think of it, we all have two fathers, our Heavenly Father and our biological father; so our biological father is also our brother and our mother is also our sister. We marry our brothers and sisters and our children are our brothers and sisters. We are all brothers and sisters, the universal human family created by Almighty God. Wow, awesome thought!!! That is why we should be our brothers' and sisters' keepers folks. Let there be peace and good will among us all, brother, sister. Ps. Perhaps we should forget about religeous denominations, they are a bit too divisive, and hinders and impedes true brotherly/sisterly love prevailing.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 2, 2015 5:46:50 GMT -5
Is all this too much for, or beyond our human, comprehension? When we think of it, we all have two fathers, our Heavenly Father and our biological father; so our biological father is also our brother and our mother is also our sister. We marry our brothers and sisters and our children are our brothers and sisters. We are all brothers and sisters, the universal human family created by Almighty God. Wow, awesome thought!!! That is why we should be our brothers' and sisters' keepers folks. Let there be peace and good will among us all, brother, sister. Ps. Perhaps we should forget about religious denominations, they are a bit too divisive, and hinders and impedes true brotherly/sisterly love prevailing. Good luck with that, -forgetting about religious denominations.
Hasn't worked yet!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 8:05:29 GMT -5
Is all this too much for, or beyond our human, comprehension? When we think of it, we all have two fathers, our Heavenly Father and our biological father; so our biological father is also our brother and our mother is also our sister. We marry our brothers and sisters and our children are our brothers and sisters. We are all brothers and sisters, the universal human family created by Almighty God. Wow, awesome thought!!! That is why we should be our brothers' and sisters' keepers folks. Let there be peace and good will among us all, brother, sister. Ps. Perhaps we should forget about religious denominations, they are a bit too divisive, and hinders and impedes true brotherly/sisterly love prevailing. Good luck with that, -forgetting about religious denominations.
Hasn't worked yet!
"Yet" might be the operative word here, it doesn't necessarily mean that what has not caught up with us so far, has passed or eluded us for ever. Time will tell sister, only time will tell.
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Post by rational on Mar 2, 2015 11:45:02 GMT -5
Some modern "scholars" are now suggesting that Luke and Matthew both record Joseph's genealogy. We reject such modernistic thinking for it undermines the whole purpose of why the Holy Spirit gave us the two: So you reject this thinking not because it is unsupported but because it does not support your current theory? Could it be that the genealogies were in place before the idea of the virgin birth was inserted?
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Post by responding on Mar 2, 2015 12:46:28 GMT -5
Some modern "scholars" are now suggesting that Luke and Matthew both record Joseph's genealogy. We reject such modernistic thinking for it undermines the whole purpose of why the Holy Spirit gave us the two: So you reject this thinking not because it is unsupported but because it does not support your current theory? Could it be that the genealogies were in place before the idea of the virgin birth was inserted? The two genealogies ARE IMPORTANT. Joseph was in the dynasty of the Jewish kings - Solomon, Roboam, Abia, Asa, etc... Mary was NOT and Jesus was NOT. He was descended from Jesse and David, but not from the Jewish kings. Jesus arose as it were from the root of Jesse (Isaiah 11:10 & Romans 15:12).
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Post by responding on Mar 2, 2015 13:36:34 GMT -5
Amen. Mary's ancestors came from Priesthood lineage.... Joseph was Jesus adopted father came from king David's lineage.... Therefore Jesus is our High Priest and King. Sorry, Nathan, Mary's ancestors were from the tribe of Juda, not Levi. In Matthew 1, from verses 23 to 31 (Nathan to Joseph) we find nothing in the old testament. Some names may sound familiar, but it's only coincidence. See how many Joseph's there were? Nathan's line was not recorded as wasn't considered significant by the chroniclers.
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Post by responding on Mar 2, 2015 14:32:08 GMT -5
Nathan: Most Christians would immediately say "Judah", this is clear, they never heard anything else. But since the Qur'an speaks about Mary as the "sister of Aaron" (Sura 19:28), Muslims try to make a case that Mary is a descendant of Aaron and from the tribe of Levi to ease the problem inherent in this statement. Surely, Nathan, you don't take the Qur'an as an authority on the Bible?I have a cousin who is a Mexican. Does that make me a Mexican too?Hebrews 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. NO CONNECTION TO THE LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD!!
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Post by responding on Mar 2, 2015 15:10:07 GMT -5
Then how Jesus is our High Priest? Hebrews 3:1-3 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus.
Melchisedec was NOT a High Priest. Hebrews 7:1-3 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. I give up. You like to argue and split hairs. I don't.
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Post by blacksheep on Mar 2, 2015 16:38:52 GMT -5
It's all so confusing.......
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Post by terfly4fun on Mar 2, 2015 18:50:20 GMT -5
How was Jesus related to Jews? I used to hesr that Jesus was a Jew.
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Post by rational on Mar 2, 2015 21:43:05 GMT -5
How was Jesus related to Jews? I used to hesr that Jesus was a Jew. It ia not a matter of being related. To be Jewish is to be the member of a religion. Jesus, as far as can be determined, was a Semite.
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Post by responding on Mar 3, 2015 10:44:39 GMT -5
Mary's ancestors came from Priesthood lineage.... Joseph was Jesus adopted father came from king David's lineage.... Therefore Jesus is our High Priest and King. Neither place was given to Jesus by genealogy and during his life on earth neither crown nor priesthood would be his portion. Why?
1. Jesus as King: Matthew 25:31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory."
Jesus was NOT descended from the Jewish dynasty in Matthew 1 (12 generations of kings in Jerusalem). This genealogy belongs to Joseph son of Jacob, husband of Mary, who Matthew very clearly demonstrates is not Jesus' father. John 18: 36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world."
2. Jesus as High Priest: Hebrews 6:20 "Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec."Jesus had no trace of Levitical heritage. His mother was descended from Nathan, son of David of the tribe of Judah. He was always referred to as of the tribe of Judah. Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."
These are scriptural facts, Nathan. I hope you will consider them carefully. There's a deep significance to this if you stop to think about it.
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Post by responding on Mar 3, 2015 13:56:42 GMT -5
Prophet, Priest & King – What The Offices of Christ Mean That's a good sermon and all true enough, but I think you missed the point altogether of what I wrote?? I know you're active in many threads, so perhaps you don't have time to read everything carefully.
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Post by responding on Mar 3, 2015 15:01:12 GMT -5
Commentary # 375 by A. Yusuf Ali.... Nathan, didn't you know that Jesus' father and mother were Joachim and Anna? And that Anna was a virgin when she bore Mary? (The Protoevangelium of James, The Birth of Mary the Holy Mother of God, and Very Glorious Mother of Jesus Christ)
I'm deeply disappointed that you can believe Moslem legends, not even as credible as the Roman Catholic ones, which are also utter nonsense of course. This is my last post, as I see you and I are living on different planets. I prove something to you from the Bible and you refute it from who knows where? Fly away, my friend.
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