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Post by What Hat on Mar 26, 2015 17:33:56 GMT -5
Every time I see this thread, which I haven't really participated in, I picture someone regretting having set their Bible on an unclean kitchen counter when they came into meeting.
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Post by terfly4fun on May 17, 2015 6:51:09 GMT -5
I guess there's no need beating this horse to death ... and there sure enough is no need dragging a dead hog around; but, I'm stuck on this KING JAMES version ... with KING JAMES being a Presbyterian and former Catholic, and his mother being Catholic ... I can't help but wonder if he had any influence on what was said in the translations of the KING JAMES VERSION of the BIBLE. Having been reared in the truth, having been taught from very early childhood, and thereby once believing the truth was the ONLY religion that was right, I now can reflect and surmise that if the people in the truth were the ONLY right religion GOD surely would have had them translate his words and write the HOLY BIBLE. Having found out years later, after being reared by a foster family in the truth, that my real family is all Jewish, and knowing the Jews were, at least, once GOD'S chosen people, I'm wondering if the JEWISH BIBLE is the BIBLE to be studying? Of course then, that would go against the beliefs in Christ and the New Testament. It would be interesting to do a comparison study to the OLD TESTAMENTS writings of the KING JAMES VERSION and the JEWISH BIBLE. I don't know what to believe ... I'm about ready to stick with HUCKLYBERRY FINN!
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Post by emy on May 17, 2015 13:43:18 GMT -5
Have you heard of Messianic Jews? And I think there are a few former Jews who go to meeting. Can't provide any connection though.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 15:37:42 GMT -5
I guess there's no need beating this horse to death ... and there sure enough is no need dragging a dead hog around; but, I'm stuck on this KING JAMES version ... with KING JAMES being a Presbyterian and former Catholic, and his mother being Catholic ... I can't help but wonder if he had any influence on what was said in the translations of the KING JAMES VERSION of the BIBLE. Having been reared in the truth, having been taught from very early childhood, and thereby once believing the truth was the ONLY religion that was right, I now can reflect and surmise that if the people in the truth were the ONLY right religion GOD surely would have had them translate his words and write the HOLY BIBLE. Having found out years later, after being reared by a foster family in the truth, that my real family is all Jewish, and knowing the Jews were, at least, once GOD'S chosen people, I'm wondering if the JEWISH BIBLE is the BIBLE to be studying? Of course then, that would go against the beliefs in Christ and the New Testament. It would be interesting to do a comparison study to the OLD TESTAMENTS writings of the KING JAMES VERSION and the JEWISH BIBLE. I don't know what to believe ... I'm about ready to stick with HUCKLYBERRY FINN! go learn greek and Hebrew then you can be sure the book your reading is the right one.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 19:10:33 GMT -5
I guess there's no need beating this horse to death ... and there sure enough is no need dragging a dead hog around; but, I'm stuck on this KING JAMES version ... with KING JAMES being a Presbyterian and former Catholic, and his mother being Catholic ... I can't help but wonder if he had any influence on what was said in the translations of the KING JAMES VERSION of the BIBLE. Having been reared in the truth, having been taught from very early childhood, and thereby once believing the truth was the ONLY religion that was right, I now can reflect and surmise that if the people in the truth were the ONLY right religion GOD surely would have had them translate his words and write the HOLY BIBLE. Having found out years later, after being reared by a foster family in the truth, that my real family is all Jewish, and knowing the Jews were, at least, once GOD'S chosen people, I'm wondering if the JEWISH BIBLE is the BIBLE to be studying? Of course then, that would go against the beliefs in Christ and the New Testament. It would be interesting to do a comparison study to the OLD TESTAMENTS writings of the KING JAMES VERSION and the JEWISH BIBLE. I don't know what to believe ... I'm about ready to stick with HUCKLYBERRY FINN! go learn greek and Hebrew then you can be sure the book your reading is the right one. best thing ask God He knows what is right
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Post by terfly4fun on May 21, 2015 19:10:49 GMT -5
Ok Virgo ... good idea!
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Post by rational on May 21, 2015 21:16:27 GMT -5
go learn greek and Hebrew then you can be sure the book your reading is the right one. Good advice for those with access to the original documents.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 22, 2015 0:39:59 GMT -5
go learn greek and Hebrew then you can be sure the book your reading is the right one. best thing ask God He knows what is right Which god, virgo?
Please be specific because I don't have the time to go asking each one. (Don't forget the goddesses)
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:43:25 GMT -5
best thing ask God He knows what is right Which god, virgo?
Please be specific because I don't have the time to go asking each one. (Don't forget the goddesses)
the living God
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Post by maryhig on May 22, 2015 0:48:07 GMT -5
Which god, virgo?
Please be specific because I don't have the time to go asking each one. (Don't forget the goddesses)
the living God The right answers are the simplest answers one smooth stone straight between the eyes! Great answers Virgo!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:49:05 GMT -5
The right answers are the simplest answers one smooth stone straight between the eyes! Great answers Virgo! it is also the true answer
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Post by Roselyn T on May 22, 2015 1:54:49 GMT -5
The King James Version (KJV), commonly known as the Authorized Version (AV) or King James Bible (KJB), is an English translation of the Christian Bible for the Church of England begun in 1604 and completed in 1611. First printed by the King's Printer Robert Barker, this was the third translation into English to be approved by the English Church authorities. The first was the Great Bible commissioned in the reign of King Henry VIII (1535), and the second was the Bishops' Bible of 1568.[2] In January 1604, King James I convened the Hampton Court Conference where a new English version was conceived in response to the perceived problems of the earlier translations as detected by the Puritans,[3] a faction within the Church of England.[4] The translation is considered a towering achievement in English literature, as both beautiful and scholarly.
James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy.[5] The translation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England.[6] In common with most other translations of the period, the New Testament was translated from Greek, the Old Testament was translated from Hebrew and Aramaic text, while the Apocrypha were translated from the Greek and Latin. In the Book of Common Prayer (1662), the text of the Authorized Version replaced the text of the Great Bible – for Epistle and Gospel readings (but not for the Psalter which has retained substantially Coverdale's Great Bible version) and as such was authorized by Act of Parliament.[7] By the first half of the 18th century, the Authorized Version had become effectively unchallenged as the English translation used in Anglican and Protestant churches, other than for the Psalms and some short passages in the Book of Common Prayer of the Church of England. Over the course of the 18th century, the Authorized Version supplanted the Latin Vulgate as the standard version of scripture for English-speaking scholars. With the development of stereotype printing at the beginning of the 19th century, this version of the Bible became the most widely printed book in history, almost all such printings presenting the standard text of 1769 extensively re-edited by Benjamin Blayney at Oxford; and nearly always omitting the books of the Apocrypha. Today the unqualified title 'King James Version' commonly identifies this Oxford standard text.
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Post by rational on May 22, 2015 6:37:32 GMT -5
The right answers are the simplest answers :) one smooth stone straight between the eyes! Great answers Virgo! Simple but unverifiable.
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Post by matisse on May 22, 2015 9:18:15 GMT -5
The right answers are the simplest answers one smooth stone straight between the eyes! Great answers Virgo! This metaphor might work if the "simple answer" had some kind of profound impact on dmmichgood. I doubt that is the case. Of the metaphors I remember from my youth, it seems more like a case of your "helmet of salvation" preventing any new information from penetrating. Pat answers are a mainstay of "the armor of God".
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Post by emy on May 22, 2015 12:27:29 GMT -5
This intro, commonly found in the front of KJV Bibles, may interest someone:
TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE JAMES, [BY THE GRACE OF GOD,] KING OF GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND IRELAND, DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, &c.
The Translators of the Bible wish Grace, Mercy, and Peace, through JESUS CHRIST our Lord.
GREAT and manifold were the blessings, most dread Sovereign, which Almighty God, the Father of all mercies, bestowed upon us the people of [England], when first he sent Your Majesty's Royal Person to rule and reign over us. For whereas it was the expectation of many, who wished not well unto our [Sion], that upon the setting of that bright [Occidental Star], Queen [Elizabeth] of most happy memory, some thick and palpable clouds of darkness would so have overshadowed this Land, that men should have been in doubt which way they were to walk; and that it should hardly be known, who was to direct the unsettled State; the appearance of Your Majesty, as of the [Sun] in his strength, instantly dispelled those supposed and surmised mists, and gave unto all that were well affected exceeding cause of comfort; especially when we beheld the Government established in Your Highness and Your hopeful Seed, by an undoubted Title, and this also accompanied with peace and tranquility at home and abroad.
But among all our joys, there was no one that more filled our hearts, than the blessed continuance of the preaching of God's sacred Word among us; which is that inestimable treasure, which excelleth all the riches of earth; because the fruit thereof extendeth itself, not only to the time spent in this transitory world, but directeth and disposeth men unto that eternal happiness which is above in heaven.
Then not to suffer this to fall to the ground, but rather to take it up, and to continue it in that state, wherein the famous Predecessor of Your Highness did leave it: nay, to go forward with the confidence and resolution of a Man in maintaining the truth of Christ, and propagating it far and near, is that which hath so bound and firmly knit the hearts of all Your Majesty's loyal and religious people unto You, that Your very name is precious among them: their eye doth behold You with comfort, and they bless You in their hearts, as that sanctified Person, who, under God, is the immediate Author of their true happiness. And this their contentment doth not diminish or decay, but every day increaseth and taketh strength, when they observe, that the zeal of Your Majesty toward the house of God doth not slack or go backward, but is more and more kindled, manifesting itself abroad in the farthest parts of [Christendom], by writing in defence of the Truth, (which hath given such a blow unto that man of Sin, as will not be healed,) and every day at home, by religious and learned discourse, by frequenting the house of God, by hearing the Word preached, by cherishing the Teachers thereof, by caring for the Church, as a most tender and loving nursing Father.
There are infinite arguments of this right Christian and religious affection in Your Majesty; but none is more forcible to declare it to others than the vehement and perpetuated desire of accomplishing and publishing of this work, which now with all humility we present unto Your Majesty. For when Your Highness had once out of deep judgment apprehended how convenient it was, that out of the Original Sacred Tongues, together with comparing of the labours, both in our own, and other foreign Languages, of many worthy men who went before us, there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the [English Tongue]; Your Majesty did never desist to urge and to excite those to whom it was commended, that the work might be hastened, and that the business might be expedited in so decent a manner, as a matter of such importance might justly require.
And now at last, by the mercy of God, and the continuance of our labours, it being brought unto such a conclusion, as that we have great hopes that the Church of [England] shall reap good fruit thereby; we hold it our duty to offer it to Your Majesty, not only as to our King and Sovereign, but as to the principal Mover and Author of the work: humbly craving of Your most Sacred Majesty, that since things of this quality have ever been subject to the censures of illmeaning and discontented persons, it may receive approbation and patronage from so learned and judicious a Prince as Your Highness is, whose allowance and acceptance of our labours shall more honour and encourage us, than all the calumniations and hard interpretations of other men shall dismay us. So that if, on the one side, we shall be traduced by Popish Persons at home or abroad, who therefore will malign us, because we are poor instruments to make God's holy Truth to be yet more and more known unto the people, whom they desire still to keep in ignorance and darkness; or if, on the other side, we shall be maligned by selfconceited Brethren, who run their own ways, and give liking unto nothing, but what is framed by themselves, and hammered on their anvil; we may rest secure, supported within by the truth and innocency of a good conscience, having walked the ways of simplicity and integrity, as before the Lord; and sustained without by the powerful protection of Your Majesty's grace and favour, which will ever give countenance to honest and Christian endeavors against bitter censures and uncharitable imputations.
The Lord of heaven and earth bless Your Majesty with many and happy days, that, as his heavenly hand hath enriched Your Highness with many singular and extraordinary graces, so You may be the wonder of the world in this latter age for happiness and true felicity, to the honour of that great GOD, and the good of his Church, through Jesus Christ our Lord and only Saviour.
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Post by SharonArnold on May 22, 2015 15:22:42 GMT -5
The right answers are the simplest answers one smooth stone straight between the eyes! Great answers Virgo! This metaphor might work if the "simple answer" had some kind of profound impact on dmmichgood. I doubt that is the case. Of the metaphors I remember from my youth, it seems more like a case of your "helmet of salvation" preventing any new information from penetrating. Pat answers are a mainstay of "the armor of God". That is a new twist on the "helmet of salvation" for me! I like it!
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Post by matisse on May 22, 2015 15:41:38 GMT -5
This metaphor might work if the "simple answer" had some kind of profound impact on dmmichgood. I doubt that is the case. Of the metaphors I remember from my youth, it seems more like a case of your "helmet of salvation" preventing any new information from penetrating. Pat answers are a mainstay of "the armor of God". That is a new twist on the "helmet of salvation" for me! :D I like it! Glad you like it...it's new for me, too!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 22, 2015 15:48:15 GMT -5
Which god, virgo?
Please be specific because I don't have the time to go asking each one. (Don't forget the goddesses)
the living God What is the definition of "living"?
Aren't all the other gods (and goddesses) also "living?"
What is the criteria for being "alive?"
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Post by Gene on May 22, 2015 19:37:52 GMT -5
This intro, commonly found in the front of KJV Bibles, may interest someone:TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE JAMES, [BY THE GRACE OF GOD,] KING OF GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND IRELAND, DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, &c. The Translators of the Bible wish Grace, Mercy, and Peace, through JESUS CHRIST our Lord. GREAT and manifold were the blessings, most dread Sovereign, which Almighty God, the Father of all mercies, bestowed upon us the people of [England], when first he sent Your Majesty's Royal Person to rule and reign over us. For whereas it was the expectation of many, who wished not well unto our [Sion], that upon the setting of that bright [Occidental Star], Queen [Elizabeth] of most happy memory, some thick and palpable clouds of darkness would so have overshadowed this Land, that men should have been in doubt which way they were to walk; and that it should hardly be known, who was to direct the unsettled State; the appearance of Your Majesty, as of the [Sun] in his strength, instantly dispelled those supposed and surmised mists, and gave unto all that were well affected exceeding cause of comfort; especially when we beheld the Government established in Your Highness and Your hopeful Seed, by an undoubted Title, and this also accompanied with peace and tranquility at home and abroad. But among all our joys, there was no one that more filled our hearts, than the blessed continuance of the preaching of God's sacred Word among us; which is that inestimable treasure, which excelleth all the riches of earth; because the fruit thereof extendeth itself, not only to the time spent in this transitory world, but directeth and disposeth men unto that eternal happiness which is above in heaven. Then not to suffer this to fall to the ground, but rather to take it up, and to continue it in that state, wherein the famous Predecessor of Your Highness did leave it: nay, to go forward with the confidence and resolution of a Man in maintaining the truth of Christ, and propagating it far and near, is that which hath so bound and firmly knit the hearts of all Your Majesty's loyal and religious people unto You, that Your very name is precious among them: their eye doth behold You with comfort, and they bless You in their hearts, as that sanctified Person, who, under God, is the immediate Author of their true happiness. And this their contentment doth not diminish or decay, but every day increaseth and taketh strength, when they observe, that the zeal of Your Majesty toward the house of God doth not slack or go backward, but is more and more kindled, manifesting itself abroad in the farthest parts of [Christendom], by writing in defence of the Truth, (which hath given such a blow unto that man of Sin, as will not be healed,) and every day at home, by religious and learned discourse, by frequenting the house of God, by hearing the Word preached, by cherishing the Teachers thereof, by caring for the Church, as a most tender and loving nursing Father. There are infinite arguments of this right Christian and religious affection in Your Majesty; but none is more forcible to declare it to others than the vehement and perpetuated desire of accomplishing and publishing of this work, which now with all humility we present unto Your Majesty. For when Your Highness had once out of deep judgment apprehended how convenient it was, that out of the Original Sacred Tongues, together with comparing of the labours, both in our own, and other foreign Languages, of many worthy men who went before us, there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the [English Tongue]; Your Majesty did never desist to urge and to excite those to whom it was commended, that the work might be hastened, and that the business might be expedited in so decent a manner, as a matter of such importance might justly require. And now at last, by the mercy of God, and the continuance of our labours, it being brought unto such a conclusion, as that we have great hopes that the Church of [England] shall reap good fruit thereby; we hold it our duty to offer it to Your Majesty, not only as to our King and Sovereign, but as to the principal Mover and Author of the work: humbly craving of Your most Sacred Majesty, that since things of this quality have ever been subject to the censures of illmeaning and discontented persons, it may receive approbation and patronage from so learned and judicious a Prince as Your Highness is, whose allowance and acceptance of our labours shall more honour and encourage us, than all the calumniations and hard interpretations of other men shall dismay us. So that if, on the one side, we shall be traduced by Popish Persons at home or abroad, who therefore will malign us, because we are poor instruments to make God's holy Truth to be yet more and more known unto the people, whom they desire still to keep in ignorance and darkness; or if, on the other side, we shall be maligned by selfconceited Brethren, who run their own ways, and give liking unto nothing, but what is framed by themselves, and hammered on their anvil; we may rest secure, supported within by the truth and innocency of a good conscience, having walked the ways of simplicity and integrity, as before the Lord; and sustained without by the powerful protection of Your Majesty's grace and favour, which will ever give countenance to honest and Christian endeavors against bitter censures and uncharitable imputations. The Lord of heaven and earth bless Your Majesty with many and happy days, that, as his heavenly hand hath enriched Your Highness with many singular and extraordinary graces, so You may be the wonder of the world in this latter age for happiness and true felicity, to the honour of that great GOD, and the good of his Church, through Jesus Christ our Lord and only Saviour. Oh lord, how many times did I read that during interminable gospel meetings as a youth, searching for a period. Have you SEEN how long some of those sentences are?? My goodness. Paragraphs are shorter, these days, than those sentences. But between reading the preamble to the KJV in the front of my bible, the preamble to the Knights of Columbus or the Veterans of Foreign Wars on the wall of the rented hall, and counting the ceiling tiles or concrete blocks behind the speaker, it kept me occupied! (And it was great training for sitting through interminable business meetings with a look of intent concentration in my eyes, while planning my weekend of skirt steaks and short ribs on the barbie.)
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:39:16 GMT -5
What is the definition of "living"?
Aren't all the other gods (and goddesses) also "living?"
What is the criteria for being "alive?"
What is the definition of "living"? not dead Aren't all the other gods (and goddesses) also "living?" are you telling me there are? considering you don't believe there is a God What is the criteria for being "alive?" being not dead
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Post by dmmichgood on May 23, 2015 0:01:28 GMT -5
What is the definition of "living"?
Aren't all the other gods (and goddesses) also "living?"
What is the criteria for being "alive?"
What is the definition of "living"? not dead Aren't all the other gods (and goddesses) also "living?" are you telling me there are? considering you don't believe there is a God What is the criteria for being "alive?" being not dead NOT so fast!
I ask you a question first!
You haven't answered it by just asking a question back!
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As far as whether or not I believe there is or is not a god/goddess , when I address someone who apparently does believe in a god I can use their own language. Right?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 0:42:52 GMT -5
What is the definition of "living"? not dead Aren't all the other gods (and goddesses) also "living?" are you telling me there are? considering you don't believe there is a God What is the criteria for being "alive?" being not dead NOT so fast!
I ask you a question first!
You haven't answered it by just asking a question back!
PS:
As far as whether or not I believe there is or is not a god/goddess , when I address someone who apparently does believe in a god I can use their own language. Right?
what you talkin about girl i answered two of your questions and you still squawk? but just for you seeing as you are so sweet i will say none have revealed themselves alive to me, so i consider them dead now you are free to answer my question
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Post by dmmichgood on May 23, 2015 3:31:09 GMT -5
NOT so fast!
I ask you a question first!
You haven't answered it by just asking a question back!
PS:
As far as whether or not I believe there is or is not a god/goddess , when I address someone who apparently does believe in a god I can use their own language. Right?
what you talkin about girl i answered two of your questions and you still squawk? but just for you seeing as you are so sweet i will say none have revealed themselves alive to me, so i consider them dead now you are free to answer my question Why is it that when some men begin losing the argument they start putting women down by referring to them as "girl" and "sweet?"
Rather dates them, doesn't it?
That is so, like, you know , the ,50's!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 3:50:14 GMT -5
what you talkin about girl i answered two of your questions and you still squawk? but just for you seeing as you are so sweet i will say none have revealed themselves alive to me, so i consider them dead now you are free to answer my question Why is it that when some men begin losing the argument they start putting women down by referring to them as "girl" and "sweet?"
Rather dates them, doesn't it?
That is so, like, you know , the ,50's!
would you rather i referred to you as the old hag? i didn't know i was having an argument with you and please what am i losing? well it could have been the thirties which you might be more comfortable with
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