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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 15:52:18 GMT -5
I think one of the best things the the kj has done over the last 400 yrs is stabilize the English language. Not so much anymore. But you can still read pretty much everything with pretty complete understanding back 400 years. The KJ used to be The Book to read, and the only book to have in your house if you had nothing else. Not so much any more. Probably changing since about the 50's and 60's. Now evidence all the new 'easier to read and understand' versions.
As far as changes, I'd say it's about time a new testament is due. Things have been bubbling and sometimes boiling not too far under the surface. Things are shifting. Time for someone to come along and straighten things out with the old testaments, yes plural. Paul always did have undo influence, it could easily be argued. The gospels were written NOT by Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John of the 12. And so forth. Unfortunately, with no visionary of stature today, all that's available is the past. Perhaps however, in this corporate age, the new testament will be created corporately. Which is kind of what is happening anyway.
Just as an aside, it's been tragic but interesting to watch the goings on in the Muslim world. I'm sure I'm not the only one who recognizes the reflection of Christian history and feelings as they work things out.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 1, 2015 15:54:18 GMT -5
You mean the ancient texts predicted their own bastardization? One example would be numbers in Genisis 5 were mistranslated. Quote: Methusalah reported to have lived 969 yrs. Noah reported to have lived 950 yrs. The Septuagint (ancient Greek version)has the original numbers and each of the numbers has one decimal place in modern notation. The original Genisis numbers were not written in decimal notation. Instead the numbers were recorded in an archaic pre-cuneiform , sign value, sumarien number system, similar in some ways to roman numerals. This doesn't add up. (1) There were no digits of higher value than "6". (2) The highest 2-digit number available in that numbering system was our "36". (3) The highest 3-digit number in that numbering system was our "216. They're not really sure the term "year" actually meant a 365 day period in the original version of the story. Who knows?
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 1, 2015 15:59:15 GMT -5
My take on these skeptic annotated bibles is that they are more about mockery than serious thought. You are so derisive of scholarship.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 1, 2015 16:02:43 GMT -5
terfly4fun gives this example: (KJV - LUKE 2:33 "and Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him" The NIV, ESV, and NEW LIVING TRANSLATION BIBLES say "The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him." The modern versions of the Bible are calling Joseph the father of Jesus Christ! God was his father! The KJV is careful to NEVER call Joseph the father of Jesus. RESPONDING says: In KJV - LUKE 2:48 "And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing."Mary must have made a blasphemous mistake, eh? All the relatives and neighbors thought Jesus was Joseph's son because Joseph never exposed Mary's pregnacy as being from BEFORE they had sexual relations as man and wife. But Jesus set her right in the following verse: KJV - LUKE 2:49 "I must be about my Father's business."If you're going to split hairs about this, I'll let you take it up with Mary. She knew better than anyone else whose son Jesus was, yet referred to Joseph as his father. Religious people have to split hairs -- the Bible doesn't normally confirm anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Post by xna on Mar 1, 2015 16:08:27 GMT -5
My take on these skeptic annotated bibles is that they are more about mockery than serious thought. Pick a verse and I'll check it out.
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Post by terfly4fun on Mar 1, 2015 16:16:43 GMT -5
My take on these skeptic annotated bibles is that they are more about mockery than serious thought. Pick a verse and I'll check it out. I agree Xna. It looks to me like Jesus straightened out his Mom in reminding her of who is father is; but, if Jesus was not Joseph's how can ANYONE claim he's from the lineage of David? ?? Was David related to GOD? If God is the fathercof Jesus .... NOONE in the Bible was related to him except from his mother's side. Am I right ?
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 1, 2015 16:18:38 GMT -5
The KJV wasn't the first English version of the Bible. King Henry VIII authorized the first English version of the Bible for use in England. But being head of the church he insisted on adding some verses to the New Testament that the English kings/church kept in subsequent versions. Check the TV series "The Tudors" -- it's historically accurate. Newer versions of the Bible in English omit as many as 50 verses from the New Testament that never appeared in other languages. One of the verses that was added is the last part of the Lord's Prayer in the Protestant Bible. I don't know for certain, but I suspect those verses have also been omitted from the New King James Version. Bob - curious what words were added to the Lord's Prayer? www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=6&t=NKJV#s=935009"for thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory, forever and ever. Amen." Did I quote that verse correctly? Henry VIII wanted divine approval for the permanency of kingships, according to records.
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Post by magpie on Mar 1, 2015 16:29:01 GMT -5
Dont people go on with a lot of ungodly gobbledegook? FAITH IS MORE IMPORTANT? What about the huge population that 20/21st century english is their second or third language? I remember a 90yr old Latvian lady who fluently still spoke 5x languages,someone started reading the KJV to her as her eyesite was failing,Dear old Olga shouted out "WHAT ARE YOU SAYING,I DONT UNDERSTAND THAT""". ORIGINAL GREEK AND ARAMAIC HAS BEEN STUDIED TO REVISE EVEN THE UPDATE OF OF NEW KJV. So all can understand "THUS",
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Post by xna on Mar 1, 2015 16:44:26 GMT -5
Pick a verse and I'll check it out. I agree Xna. It looks to me like Jesus straightened out his Mom in reminding her of who is father is; but, if Jesus was not Joseph's how can ANYONE claim he's from the lineage of David? ?? Was David related to GOD? If God is the fathercof Jesus .... NOONE in the Bible was related to him except from his mother's side. Am I right ? Matthew 12:46-49 "While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!"These verses don't seem like a good way to treat your mother. Jesus' genealogies record is different in Matthew and Luke. If you believe Jesus was god then he could have said; You all are from me, you have it backwards - I'm not from David, David is from me. ------------------------------- Steve Wells created several works looking at holy texts. It's an amazing amount of work for one man. You many not agree with the interpretation but it will make you think, and it's worth checking out. The Skeptics Annotated Bile skepticsannotatedbible.comThe Skeptics Annotated Book Of Mormon skepticsannotatedbible.com/BoM/index.htmThe Skeptics Annotated Quran www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/Here is Steve Wells story. www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpkVCU2TA4s interview starts at time stamp 8:15 He was raised by atheists, became a christian, then an atheist.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 1, 2015 16:45:17 GMT -5
One example would be numbers in Genisis 5 were mistranslated. Quote: Methusalah reported to have lived 969 yrs. Noah reported to have lived 950 yrs. The Septuagint (ancient Greek version)has the original numbers and each of the numbers has one decimal place in modern notation. The original Genisis numbers were not written in decimal notation. Instead the numbers were recorded in an archaic pre-cuneiform , sign value, sumarien number system, similar in some ways to roman numerals. This doesn't add up. (1) There were no digits of higher value than "6". (2) The highest 2-digit number available in that numbering system was our "36". (3) The highest 3-digit number in that numbering system was our "216. They're not really sure the term "year" actually meant a 365 day period in the original version of the story. Who knows? This isnt the first time Ive heard this Bob.. Further quote: Nearly all modern translation of Genisis are derived from the Masoretic (hebrew) text, because it is generally the most reliable. But there are also 2 other versions of Genisis. The Samaritan in an early Hebrew script and the Septuagint a (Greek ) translation of an early Hebrew text. The Septuagint were closer to the original numbers, because when scholars translated the Hebrew Pentateuch (which includes Genisis), into Greek at Alexander, Egypt about 280 BC, They used a Hebrew text that was edited in the 4th and 5th centuries BC. This text was centuries older than the proto- Masoretic text selected as the official text by the Masoretes after 70 CE a text that was already corrupted by scribes trying to correct what they thought were errors.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 1, 2015 16:51:11 GMT -5
This doesn't add up. (1) There were no digits of higher value than "6". (2) The highest 2-digit number available in that numbering system was our "36". (3) The highest 3-digit number in that numbering system was our "216. They're not really sure the term "year" actually meant a 365 day period in the original version of the story. Who knows? This isnt the first time Ive heard this Bob.. Further quote: Nearly all modern translation of Genisis are derived from the Masoretic (hebrew) text, because it is generally the most reliable. But there are also 2 other versions of Genisis. The Samaritan in an early Hebrew script and the Septuagint a (Greek ) translation of an early Hebrew text. The Septuagint were closer to the original numbers, because when scholars translated the Hebrew Pentateuch (which includes Genisis), into Greek at Alexander, Egypt about 280 BC, They used a Hebrew text that was edited in the 4th and 5th centuries BC. This text was centuries older than the proto- Masoretic text selected as the official text by the Masoretes after 70 CE a text that was already corrupted by scribes trying to correct what they thought were errors. I've heard all kinds of explanations for this. Frankly, I don't believe any Hebrew writers were experts in pre-cuneiform anything, other than what oral lore survived the centuries of time between Abraham's birth and the return from Babylonian exile. The only people who really need an answer are Bible literalists who don't really impress anyone but themselves with what they can come up with.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 1, 2015 17:00:14 GMT -5
This isnt the first time Ive heard this Bob.. Further quote: Nearly all modern translation of Genisis are derived from the Masoretic (hebrew) text, because it is generally the most reliable. But there are also 2 other versions of Genisis. The Samaritan in an early Hebrew script and the Septuagint a (Greek ) translation of an early Hebrew text. The Septuagint were closer to the original numbers, because when scholars translated the Hebrew Pentateuch (which includes Genisis), into Greek at Alexander, Egypt about 280 BC, They used a Hebrew text that was edited in the 4th and 5th centuries BC. This text was centuries older than the proto- Masoretic text selected as the official text by the Masoretes after 70 CE a text that was already corrupted by scribes trying to correct what they thought were errors. I've heard all kinds of explanations for this. Frankly, I don't believe any Hebrew writers were experts in pre-cuneiform anything, other than what oral lore survived the centuries of time between Abraham's birth and the return from Babylonian exile. The only people who really need an answer are Bible literalists who don't really impress anyone but themselves with what they can come up with. Lol..you are funny. I hold everything I hear lightly these days. Here I thought I was keeping up with a scholar for a change. Oh well. Had my fun. Seriously the more you learn the less you know....
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 1, 2015 17:31:05 GMT -5
I've heard all kinds of explanations for this. Frankly, I don't believe any Hebrew writers were experts in pre-cuneiform anything, other than what oral lore survived the centuries of time between Abraham's birth and the return from Babylonian exile. The only people who really need an answer are Bible literalists who don't really impress anyone but themselves with what they can come up with. Lol..you are funny. I hold everything I hear lightly these days. Here I thought I was keeping up with a scholar for a change. Oh well. Had my fun. Seriously the more you learn the less you know.... I wasn't trying to be funny, really, but it just goes to show what extent Bible literalists will go to in an effort to prove the infallibility of Bible literature. They leave themselves wide open for exploitation by the quasi-scholars who need acceptance more than truth. Fortunately real scholars don't care whether people believe them or not. And you are quite right - the more you learn the less you REALIZE you know. One of the best professors I ever had made that statement. Actually, he worded it this way -- you are not truly a learned person until you realize that what you know is so much less that there is to be known. Very important in this age of information and misinformation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 18:24:01 GMT -5
... It looks to me like Jesus straightened out his Mom in reminding her of who is father is; but, if Jesus was not Joseph's how can ANYONE claim he's from the lineage of David? ?? Was David related to GOD? If God is the fathercof Jesus .... NOONE in the Bible was related to him except from his mother's side. Am I right ? You are right! Thanks for pointing out something that just never occurred to me before! And as xna pointed out even what they did try and prove, they got backwards, David was of Jesus. Sheesh, the foundations of the new testament just gets more and more mixed up.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 1, 2015 19:06:13 GMT -5
My take on these skeptic annotated bibles is that they are more about mockery than serious thought. You are so derisive of scholarship. People do become very exacting pedantic and legalistic. Which puts them in bondage. Which isnt the message of Christ. I was told and leening to agree that theological degrees are not worth the paper they are written on. That was by a scholar. He ripped his up. Understanding the message of NT is about reconciling with our maker. Relationship with the almighty. I do agree the word is powerful. Faith is in that power. If we have been decieved through misinterpretation then through relationship I tend to think stuff gets sorted out. Via experience.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 19:19:06 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm getting too far off the topic here... let me know..
But the early areas of the bible, btwn the creation story, Noah etc, up to Abraham, were probably made up on who knows what documents, if any.
I picture the captured Israelite intelligentsia in Babylon, with time on their hands waiting for the King to give them something to do, deciding to write down the history of the world, especially now that they've got access to a wider better view. It must have been kind of exciting because they have access to other scholars and their traditions, and maybe even THE tablets with stories like those of Gilgamesh, and the flood story. They pick and chose, glean, amalgamate, and splice together a likely narrative that fits the facts as they have them, to the best of their knowledge. And now you've got the beginning of the Holy Bible, KJ and the Koran, and Zoroastrianism, and maybe some others too.
As long as I'm imagining... I see Noah and the flood story as a guy that didn't live just too far away from the bit of land btwn the ever rising Mediterranean and the future Black Sea, saying hey guys, one of these days, if we get a lot of rain, that sucker is going to come over, and we're going to get flooded big time. I'm going to get ready, and you better too. Aw baloney his neighbors probably said, it's never come over before, why would it now? But remember, Noah had been around for six hundred years by then, so he had probably seen the Mediterranean rise a good 15 feet or more in his lifetime. And with global warming, the ice age accumulations were melting faster than ever. Who knows, maybe there was a trickle coming over by the time God told Noah you better get ready. Now that flood would be one that just might likely be remembered in folklore by everybody, maybe with embellishments like the Trojan war gained by the time it was written down, probably tweaked there in Babylon to fit their present knowledge and historic traditions.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 1, 2015 19:32:37 GMT -5
You are so derisive of scholarship. People do become very exacting pedantic and legalistic. Which puts them in bondage. Which isnt the message of Christ. I was told and leening to agree that theological degrees are not worth the paper they are written on. That was by a scholar. He ripped his up. Understanding the message of NT is about reconciling with our maker. Relationship with the almighty. I do agree the word is powerful. Faith is in that power. If we have been decieved through misinterpretation then through relationship I tend to think stuff gets sorted out. Via experience. Can you tell us the name of this scholar who ripped his up theological degree ? Perhaps he found something in his research he couldn't accept!
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 1, 2015 19:56:10 GMT -5
You are so derisive of scholarship. People do become very exacting pedantic and legalistic. Which puts them in bondage. Which isnt the message of Christ. I was told and leening to agree that theological degrees are not worth the paper they are written on. That was by a scholar. He ripped his up. Understanding the message of NT is about reconciling with our maker. Relationship with the almighty. I do agree the word is powerful. Faith is in that power. If we have been decieved through misinterpretation then through relationship I tend to think stuff gets sorted out. Via experience. But people hold to their theology anyway because it is their measure of logic. They don't mind disagreeing with what theologians say, but they rarely come to the conclusion that their own theological beliefs are flawed. How many people who were raised to believe that there was only one god ever come to the conclusion that there is anything wrong with that?
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 1, 2015 20:07:27 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm getting too far off the topic here... let me know.. But the early areas of the bible, btwn the creation story, Noah etc, up to Abraham, were probably made up on who knows what documents, if any. I picture the captured Israelite intelligentsia in Babylon, with time on their hands waiting for the King to give them something to do, deciding to write down the history of the world, especially now that they've got access to a wider better view. It must have been kind of exciting because they have access to other scholars and their traditions, and maybe even THE tablets with stories like those of Gilgamesh, and the flood story. They pick and chose, glean, amalgamate, and splice together a likely narrative that fits the facts as they have them, to the best of their knowledge. And now you've got the beginning of the Holy Bible, KJ and the Koran, and Zoroastrianism, and maybe some others too. As long as I'm imagining... I see Noah and the flood story as a guy that didn't live just too far away from the bit of land btwn the ever rising Mediterranean and the future Black Sea, saying hey guys, one of these days, if we get a lot of rain, that sucker is going to come over, and we're going to get flooded big time. I'm going to get ready, and you better too. Aw baloney his neighbors probably said, it's never come over before, why would it now? But remember, Noah had been around for six hundred years by then, so he had probably seen the Mediterranean rise a good 15 feet or more in his lifetime. And with global warming, the ice age accumulations were melting faster than ever. Who knows, maybe there was a trickle coming over by the time God told Noah you better get ready. Now that flood would be one that just might likely be remembered in folklore by everybody, maybe with embellishments like the Trojan war gained by the time it was written down, probably tweaked there in Babylon to fit their present knowledge and historic traditions. One of the problems with the Noah story is that it wouldn't have left all the pre-flood literature for anyone to read. But in any case, the history that is recorded in the OT is all the oral history of the Israelites and Jews that was never committed to writing while they had their own countries. If they'd actually accessed such writings as Gilgamesh the two stories would have been more alike, but scholars have determined that the Bible version of the Great Flood came from 2 other sources. The ancient world abounded with variations of all these stories.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 20:29:47 GMT -5
Bob, now I know I am going astray in this topic, but per your comment about the problem with the biblical flood story, people can rationalize almost anything. For example, I know someone who noticed that pre Columbian American Indians had pecked out on a big rock the head of a toothed dinosaur. (up in Ontario N of Lake Superior) Immediately they realized then that there for all to see was proof that dinosaurs lived at the same time as humans. When I once pointed out that it takes about 4 million years for the light from Andromeda to reach us, so the stars and heavens must be at least that old, the response was, well God just made it look that way for the scientists. What can you do??
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Post by bubbles on Mar 1, 2015 20:33:58 GMT -5
People do become very exacting pedantic and legalistic. Which puts them in bondage. Which isnt the message of Christ. I was told and leening to agree that theological degrees are not worth the paper they are written on. That was by a scholar. He ripped his up. Understanding the message of NT is about reconciling with our maker. Relationship with the almighty. I do agree the word is powerful. Faith is in that power. If we have been decieved through misinterpretation then through relationship I tend to think stuff gets sorted out. Via experience. But people hold to their theology anyway because it is their measure of logic. They don't mind disagreeing with what theologians say, but they rarely come to the conclusion that their own theological beliefs are flawed. How many people who were raised to believe that there was only one god ever come to the conclusion that there is anything wrong with that? I dont know. Do you?
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Post by bubbles on Mar 1, 2015 20:41:37 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm getting too far off the topic here... let me know.. But the early areas of the bible, btwn the creation story, Noah etc, up to Abraham, were probably made up on who knows what documents, if any. I picture the captured Israelite intelligentsia in Babylon, with time on their hands waiting for the King to give them something to do, deciding to write down the history of the world, especially now that they've got access to a wider better view. It must have been kind of exciting because they have access to other scholars and their traditions, and maybe even THE tablets with stories like those of Gilgamesh, and the flood story. They pick and chose, glean, amalgamate, and splice together a likely narrative that fits the facts as they have them, to the best of their knowledge. And now you've got the beginning of the Holy Bible, KJ and the Koran, and Zoroastrianism, and maybe some others too. As long as I'm imagining... I see Noah and the flood story as a guy that didn't live just too far away from the bit of land btwn the ever rising Mediterranean and the future Black Sea, saying hey guys, one of these days, if we get a lot of rain, that sucker is going to come over, and we're going to get flooded big time. I'm going to get ready, and you better too. Aw baloney his neighbors probably said, it's never come over before, why would it now? But remember, Noah had been around for six hundred years by then, so he had probably seen the Mediterranean rise a good 15 feet or more in his lifetime. And with global warming, the ice age accumulations were melting faster than ever. Who knows, maybe there was a trickle coming over by the time God told Noah you better get ready. Now that flood would be one that just might likely be remembered in folklore by everybody, maybe with embellishments like the Trojan war gained by the time it was written down, probably tweaked there in Babylon to fit their present knowledge and historic traditions. In the ancient world there were a number of deluge. The medi was once mostly land not sea.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 1, 2015 21:30:55 GMT -5
But people hold to their theology anyway because it is their measure of logic. They don't mind disagreeing with what theologians say, but they rarely come to the conclusion that their own theological beliefs are flawed. How many people who were raised to believe that there was only one god ever come to the conclusion that there is anything wrong with that? I dont know. Do you? I know a few -- judging from this group, a very few. You've acknowledged them yourself. Judging from this group, some have become agnostic, atheist, and polytheistic. The vast majority of exes never consider any of those options. Even the ones who abhor denominations for the most part maintain a monotheistic "spirituality", whatever that means.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 21:32:18 GMT -5
In the ancient world there were a number of deluge. The medi was once mostly land not sea. Yes the medi was, but the Atlantic last breached the straits of Gibraltar long before humans were around. I was just watching something about that on a David Atenborough program, interestingly call "The 1st Eden" For the Black Sea however, the Dardanelles were breached after the medi was full, and perhaps only 10k ago, perhaps capable of being a memory. But as you say, catastrophic flooding was not uncommon anyway. As we now know catastrophic flooding unleashed by breakthroughs of backed up glacial melt water created a surprising number of huge geologic features, when we humans were around to see it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 1, 2015 21:35:55 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm getting too far off the topic here... let me know.. But the early areas of the bible, btwn the creation story, Noah etc, up to Abraham, were probably made up on who knows what documents, if any. I picture the captured Israelite intelligentsia in Babylon, with time on their hands waiting for the King to give them something to do, deciding to write down the history of the world, especially now that they've got access to a wider better view. It must have been kind of exciting because they have access to other scholars and their traditions, and maybe even THE tablets with stories like those of Gilgamesh, and the flood story. They pick and chose, glean, amalgamate, and splice together a likely narrative that fits the facts as they have them, to the best of their knowledge. And now you've got the beginning of the Holy Bible, KJ and the Koran, and Zoroastrianism, and maybe some others too. As long as I'm imagining... I see Noah and the flood story as a guy that didn't live just too far away from the bit of land btwn the ever rising Mediterranean and the future Black Sea, saying hey guys, one of these days, if we get a lot of rain, that sucker is going to come over, and we're going to get flooded big time. I'm going to get ready, and you better too. Aw baloney his neighbors probably said, it's never come over before, why would it now? But remember, Noah had been around for six hundred years by then, so he had probably seen the Mediterranean rise a good 15 feet or more in his lifetime. And with global warming, the ice age accumulations were melting faster than ever. Who knows, maybe there was a trickle coming over by the time God told Noah you better get ready. Now that flood would be one that just might likely be remembered in folklore by everybody, maybe with embellishments like the Trojan war gained by the time it was written down, probably tweaked there in Babylon to fit their present knowledge and historic traditions. In the ancient world there were a number of deluge. The medi was once mostly land not sea. So was the Black Sea. And the Tigris and Euphrates delta used to be ocean. Soon the continent of Africa will split in two when they can no longer keep the Red Sea from spilling over into the Rift Valley. That should solve the problem of the ice cap melting, now that I think of it. Some of these floods take as long as 1000 years to roll in, apparently. Run to the hills everyone.
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Post by terfly4fun on Mar 1, 2015 21:58:11 GMT -5
And what was the KING JAMES BIBLE translated from?
Anybody know who & why King James wanted someone to translate the bible for him? hand waving, I know, I know, it was translated from the German Bible, which of course it is so obvious that God was German, because it says right in Genesis , and this is God speaking , and I quote- "Wo bist du , Adam?" There, now that's settled, let's move on. Alvin hmmmm, on second thought, now I'm sure I'm not sure....maybe it was Spanish..hm Now you got me all confused AGAIN
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 1, 2015 23:18:24 GMT -5
Bob, now I know I am going astray in this topic, but per your comment about the problem with the biblical flood story, people can rationalize almost anything. For example, I know someone who noticed that pre Columbian American Indians had pecked out on a big rock the head of a toothed dinosaur. (up in Ontario N of Lake Superior) Immediately they realized then that there for all to see was proof that dinosaurs lived at the same time as humans. When I once pointed out that it takes about 4 million years for the light from Andromeda to reach us, so the stars and heavens must be at least that old, the response was, well God just made it look that way for the scientists. What can you do?? My all-time favorite for dinosaur bones came from an FLDS teacher. According to him, God made the earth with left over parts of other worlds, and it so happened that dead dinosaurs came with the earth from one of those planets. It seems some people will believe anything as long as a scientist doesn't agree with it.
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Post by responding on Mar 2, 2015 1:54:51 GMT -5
It looks to me like Jesus straightened out his Mom in reminding her of who is father is; but, if Jesus was not Joseph's how can ANYONE claim he's from the lineage of David? ?? Was David related to GOD? If God is the fathercof Jesus .... NOONE in the Bible was related to him except from his mother's side. Am I right ? The genealogy in Luke's gospel is from Mary's side - Joseph son of Heli in Luke 3:23 is not the same person as Joseph son of Jacob in Matthew 1:16. You'll notice that BOTH are from the lineage of David.
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