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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 20:03:37 GMT -5
Just a thought, a question I haven't much investigated...
But as I recall, was it of John the baptist or Jesus, or both of whom it was said they were the reincarnation of Isaiah or somebody? Apparently there was a common enough belief in the Spirit of someone from the past reincarnated. Common enough at least that it made it into the bible as a belief.
Is there any room for re-incarnation in Christianity these days? or has that belief or knowledge been lost?
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 26, 2015 21:12:58 GMT -5
Hi. I think the reference you're thinking of was just what people were speculating about Jesus' origins, he being as popular as he was without any known important background -- that people knew of at the time. Bob
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Post by Lee on Feb 26, 2015 23:11:58 GMT -5
The new Adam Jesus is the refined-reincarnated ancient Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 10:18:58 GMT -5
I suspect there's more evidence of belief in reincarnation in the bible than is commonly considered. Belief, stated or implied, by a biblical character or author carries a lot of weight. Anyway, someone wishing to expand on the thought might find evidence to at least suggest it, maybe even "prove" it. Considering the untenable one life only doctrine, determining the fate of your afterlife, well it wouldn't surprise me to see reincarnation as a possible belief emerging as an out. Maybe I'm a pessimist, or misjudge the what could eventually happen, to think east and west will ever meet, but on the other hand with the wider more inclusive Spirituality trend, who knows?
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Post by snow on Feb 27, 2015 13:28:15 GMT -5
I suspect there's more evidence of belief in reincarnation in the bible than is commonly considered. Belief, stated or implied, by a biblical character or author carries a lot of weight. Anyway, someone wishing to expand on the thought might find evidence to at least suggest it, maybe even "prove" it. Considering the untenable one life only doctrine, determining the fate of your afterlife, well it wouldn't surprise me to see reincarnation as a possible belief emerging as an out. Maybe I'm a pessimist, or misjudge the what could eventually happen, to think east and west will ever meet, but on the other hand with the wider more inclusive Spirituality trend, who knows? en.144000.net/articles/the_reincarnation_in_the_bible_-_part_i.htm
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Post by bubbles on Feb 27, 2015 15:44:15 GMT -5
Just a thought, a question I haven't much investigated... But as I recall, was it of John the baptist or Jesus, or both of whom it was said they were the reincarnation of Isaiah or somebody? Apparently there was a common enough belief in the Spirit of someone from the past reincarnated. Common enough at least that it made it into the bible as a belief. Is there any room for re-incarnation in Christianity these days? or has that belief or knowledge been lost? Do you mean 'the spirit of Elijah'? Referring to last days? As in the days of John the Bapist 'come and prepare the way of the lord? That isnt about reincarnation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 22:41:02 GMT -5
Snow, thanks for the link. Unfortunately I find most of the vrs quoted and the stretch to make them fit more hurt than help to the hypothesis. But I do find the record of the valley of the dry bones to be interesting. And as an aside, Christ was not the 1st to come back alive from the dead.
Yes, Elijah and John the baptist... I think there is room in the record to interpret reincarnation or not either way. Certainly some believed it was Elijah, and so reincarnation, and some believed it was like in the spirit of Elijah, and as bubbles said, not the same thing. That John himself said no I'm not Elijah is not surprising, even if in fact he was. However Jesus rather strongly suggested, or could even be interpreted to have outright said... that John was Elijah. So, reincarnation.
Interesting that it was a belief on the radar until declared a heresy some 500 years into the CE. Why people of old have any more connection to the truth than anyone today, I don't believe it.
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Post by snow on Feb 27, 2015 23:44:26 GMT -5
Snow, thanks for the link. Unfortunately I find most of the vrs quoted and the stretch to make them fit more hurt than help to the hypothesis. But I do find the record of the valley of the dry bones to be interesting. And as an aside, Christ was not the 1st to come back alive from the dead. Yes, Elijah and John the baptist... I think there is room in the record to interpret reincarnation or not either way. Certainly some believed it was Elijah, and so reincarnation, and some believed it was like in the spirit of Elijah, and as bubbles said, not the same thing. That John himself said no I'm not Elijah is not surprising, even if in fact he was. However Jesus rather strongly suggested, or could even be interpreted to have outright said... that John was Elijah. So, reincarnation. Interesting that it was a belief on the radar until declared a heresy some 500 years into the CE. Why people of old have any more connection to the truth than anyone today, I don't believe it. It would be strange if they didn't believe in reincarnation actually. Many did around that time. I don't have a view on it either way, just came across that article and thought I would share with you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 19:50:56 GMT -5
I wonder if some people who commit suicide, the last thing they would want is to be reincarnated. I remember being brought up short by someone I knew who was quite depressed. Their life really hadn't gone according to plan, or happily either. I cheerily tried to suggest that at least the past was past, and at least they had a life ahead whose pages were not yet written. To which they groaned, in a way that told me this was not encouraging, but even more depressing.
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Post by snow on Feb 28, 2015 20:06:22 GMT -5
I wonder if some people who commit suicide, the last thing they would want is to be reincarnated. I remember being brought up short by someone I knew who was quite depressed. Their life really hadn't gone according to plan, or happily either. I cheerily tried to suggest that at least the past was past, and at least they had a life ahead whose pages were not yet written. To which they groaned, in a way that told me this was not encouraging, but even more depressing. You have a point there ettu. I have heard that exact thing from those who do believe in reincarnation. It's not a good thing in their estimation because they just don't want to do 'life' all over again and again. I guess if their life was good it might be more enticing, but if life was bad and that's all they knew or expected, I can see why reincarnation might be repulsive to them. There are different beliefs when it comes to reincarnation too. Some believe in the possibility to regress, iow, come back as a lesser being, not a human. Some believe in karma, that you pay for past faults or actions in the next life, or are rewarded for living a good life. Some just believe it's a progression of lives that you keep being reborn and in each life you learn a new lesson and that you grow spiritually until you reach a type of nirvana where you no longer need to be reborn physically. I'm sure there are other interpretations too that I know nothing about. I'm not sure I would want to live again and again. I know I don't want to live forever unless there is more understanding of what is really going on and the meaning to all of this at some point.
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