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Post by kurtzphil69 on Feb 16, 2015 14:47:03 GMT -5
Have you ever become 'hardened'? (within your heart)?
I have.
What's making me write about this today is a rather graphic and disturbing dream I had last night about someone I have cared for for a number of years. I have always thought very highly of this person; maybe too highly...
In my dream it was like a 'truth' was being revealed about him that inside he was made of concrete. Just this hard concrete. It was wierd. Why would I dream this and what is it a reflection of? His exterior appeared normal. But when I found out the truth of being made of concrete on the inside I was very disappointed. Alas, it was just a dream, or was it? I don't know. Is this person really hardened like that of being made of concrete in the innermost part? I don't know. We've been out of contact.
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Post by rational on Feb 16, 2015 15:18:48 GMT -5
Have you ever become 'hardened'? (within your heart)? I have. What's making me write about this today is a rather graphic and disturbing dream I had last night about someone I have cared for for a number of years. I have always thought very highly of this person; maybe too highly... In my dream it was like a 'truth' was being revealed about him that inside he was made of concrete. Just this hard concrete. It was wierd. Why would I dream this and what is it a reflection of? His exterior appeared normal. But when I found out the truth of being made of concrete on the inside I was very disappointed. Alas, it was just a dream, or was it? I don't know. Is this person really hardened like that of being made of concrete in the innermost part? I don't know. We've been out of contact. If you believe that the dream, like the claim for some biblical dreams, was divinely inspired you could act on it and never talk, write, communicate, or even think of your 'hardened' friend again. Or, now that you have thought about him/her you could reach out and start a conversation. It was a dream.
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Post by SharonArnold on Feb 16, 2015 16:26:21 GMT -5
Great things have come from dreams: “Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends. And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream… And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!” This was not my time, my geographic location, my cause, my culture… as I have expressed before in this forum, I grew up in a completely different environment… Nevertheless. Though this speech is my only exposure to the words of the old “Negro” spiritual, I have resonated with those lines more times than I could count, obviously substituting “I am” for “We are”. I have a very vivid dream life, to my mind, very integrated with my waking life. A lot of “stuff” that I have successfully worked out in my waking life was in no small part owing to a parallel process in my dream life. I have dream memory (and I wonder – just where are those memories stored?). But in the end, I don’t think that me having a dream memory is any more miraculous than me having a waking life memory. I had a friend, who in her years of exiting 2X2ism, dreamed repeatedly of escaping from a Nazi concentration camp. My exiting dream life wasn’t nearly so dramatic – but I still have a huge respect for whatever it is that happens in a dream state. It was a dream. Yeah. But still. It was a dream.I would vote for him reaching out and having a conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 16:47:16 GMT -5
I'm a dreamer, are't we all? You.tu.be/XGwghNIFoalAn old song from 1929, but the link on YouTube won't work. Martin Luther King Jr. was a dreamer also.
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Post by xna on Feb 16, 2015 17:00:21 GMT -5
Have you ever become 'hardened'? (within your heart)? While in the 2x2 I would hear; the check of a harden heart was; Ask yourself; Is your greatest fear, the fear of going to hell?If YES, then your heart is right with god. If NO, then you have a hardened heart as you must love and fear god above all things, even your own life - the fear of your own death. My greatest fear is a prolonged, slow, and painful death.
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Post by SharonArnold on Feb 16, 2015 17:17:33 GMT -5
While in the 2x2 I would hear; the check of a harden heart was; Ask yourself; Is your greatest fear, the fear of going to hell?Holy cow, I never even heard of THAT check for a hardened heart. It didn't/doesn't even appear on my radar screen. I'm definitely full of concrete!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 17:24:32 GMT -5
While in the 2x2 I would hear; the check of a harden heart was; Ask yourself; Is your greatest fear, the fear of going to hell?Holy cow, I never even heard of THAT check for a hardened heart. It didn't/doesn't even appear on my radar screen. I'm definitely full of concrete! Wow! So you have Indian connections? Holy sacred cow?
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Post by SharonArnold on Feb 16, 2015 17:27:47 GMT -5
Holy cow, I never even heard of THAT check for a hardened heart. It didn't/doesn't even appear on my radar screen. I'm definitely full of concrete! Wow! So you have Indian connections? Holy sacred cow? Well... nothing too apparent. But, I do think Puppetji makes more sense than a lot of people! Does that qualify?
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Post by bitterbetty on Feb 16, 2015 17:36:10 GMT -5
Dreams are not fully understood and don't know if they ever will be. But, some of them can seem very very real. Some of the 'good' dreams we are disappointed when we wake up from them, eh?
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Post by bitterbetty on Feb 16, 2015 17:43:46 GMT -5
Have you ever become 'hardened'? (within your heart)? I have. What's making me write about this today is a rather graphic and disturbing dream I had last night about someone I have cared for for a number of years. I have always thought very highly of this person; maybe too highly... In my dream it was like a 'truth' was being revealed about him that inside he was made of concrete. Just this hard concrete. It was wierd. Why would I dream this and what is it a reflection of? His exterior appeared normal. But when I found out the truth of being made of concrete on the inside I was very disappointed. Alas, it was just a dream, or was it? I don't know. Is this person really hardened like that of being made of concrete in the innermost part? I don't know. We've been out of contact. Hardening of the heart. Not the best condition to be in, but sometimes it's inevitable, it seems. I think it's how some people learn to cope with the disappointments in life and find a way to carry on. Example: You might be having a bad day or going through a tough time. In order to get through it, there are times when rather than crumple to the ground, you 'toughen up' instead; push through, be tough. This tough stance may get you through the moment or the day, but it can have the lasting effect of actually hardening your heart. It's my belief that a lot of us nurses and doctors could easily become jaded after years and years of just dealing with people who may be at their worst. The work we have done can still be rewarding, but there are those challenging cases in which you begin to wonder if life is ever FAIR...I know my outlook when I was in my 20's and 30's as a nurse differed some than it did in my 40's and 50's. Sometimes I yearn for that time in my life when I wasn't so jaded and I felt more optimistic...My heart is not totally hard, but I have become a bit cynical and I am not sure this is the best way to be. Why don't you reach out to this person you dreamed of. Maybe he is hardened and doesn't know how to break through it. You never know.
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Post by xna on Feb 16, 2015 18:31:17 GMT -5
While in the 2x2 I would hear; the check of a harden heart was; Ask yourself; Is your greatest fear, the fear of going to hell?Holy cow, I never even heard of THAT check for a hardened heart. It didn't/doesn't even appear on my radar screen. I'm definitely full of concrete! They usually quote the don't love this life warning / verse; "He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal."
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Feb 16, 2015 18:48:41 GMT -5
Have you ever become 'hardened'? (within your heart)? My greatest fear is a prolonged, slow, and painful death. A very valid fear, for sure...hard to watch others go through as well; especially someone you love and care about.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Feb 16, 2015 18:55:29 GMT -5
Hardening of the heart. Not the best condition to be in, but sometimes it's inevitable, it seems. I think it's how some people learn to cope with the disappointments in life and find a way to carry on. Example: You might be having a bad day or going through a tough time. In order to get through it, there are times when rather than crumple to the ground, you 'toughen up' instead; push through, be tough. This tough stance may get you through the moment or the day, but it can have the lasting effect of actually hardening your heart. It's my belief that a lot of us nurses and doctors could easily become jaded after years and years of just dealing with people who may be at their worst. The work we have done can still be rewarding, but there are those challenging cases in which you begin to wonder if life is ever FAIR...I know my outlook when I was in my 20's and 30's as a nurse differed some than it did in my 40's and 50's. Sometimes I yearn for that time in my life when I wasn't so jaded and I felt more optimistic...My heart is not totally hard, but I have become a bit cynical and I am not sure this is the best way to be. Why don't you reach out to this person you dreamed of. Maybe he is hardened and doesn't know how to break through it. You never know. Surely as a nurse for so many years you've seen the gamut? People who become hard and bitter, but also people who do NOT become hard and bitter as a result of what life has dealt them? What makes the difference? I know a lady who is a paraplegic. Now, for myself, I would be devastated if that happened to me. And maybe she was devastated at first. But now she is full of joy and peace and there is no bitterness in her that I can see. One thing I noticed about her is that she is a woman of faith and believes in God's power to heal; believes in the power of prayer; her own prayers as well as the prayers of others. It didn't take long knowing her to find this out as she is very open about her faith. She is limited with her body, but it's like her spirit is free. Yes, I probably should reach out to this person I dreamed about, but I will admit to having some fear and don't know how to go about it.
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Post by bubbles on Feb 16, 2015 22:17:50 GMT -5
People usually become hardened through hurt, dissapointment, broken trust etc. There is nothing like a desert experience to soften you. Or brokenness. In life our experiences change like the weather seasons. Like others have suggested I would link up with your friend. Who knows you might have or be the answer to his need.
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Post by bubbles on Feb 16, 2015 22:19:46 GMT -5
Kurtz just say hi.
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Post by rational on Feb 16, 2015 22:37:00 GMT -5
But in the end, I don’t think that me having a dream memory is any more miraculous than me having a waking life memory. I worked for a time with a lot of adolescents that were in therapy. They took great delight in 'fooling' their therapists by making up dreams to tell. The therapists didn't really care when the dreams were made up. The source was the same. BTW - had your friend been in German concentration camps or were the dreams created from whole cloth?
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Post by SharonArnold on Feb 16, 2015 23:12:39 GMT -5
But in the end, I don’t think that me having a dream memory is any more miraculous than me having a waking life memory. I worked for a time with a lot of adolescents that were in therapy. They took great delight in 'fooling' their therapists by making up dreams to tell. The therapists didn't really care when the dreams were made up. The source was the same. BTW - had your friend been in German concentration camps or were the dreams created from whole cloth? That's actually pretty funny. My friend was born in the early 1960's, so the dreams were from whole cloth. Unless of course, it was from a previous life!
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Post by rational on Feb 16, 2015 23:32:15 GMT -5
My friend was born in the early 1960's, so the dreams were from whole cloth. Unless of course, it was from a previous life! :D Did your friend ever become aware of the transparency of the related dream?
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 17, 2015 0:09:38 GMT -5
I had a dream once that repeated itself about 2 months later.
I dreamed I was lying on a couch, and an enormous spider came into the room -- the body was about the size of a fat cow, and he was looking at me and coming toward me. The next thing I knew I was on my hands and knees on the floor and the blankets, pillows, and everything was on the floor around me.
Very freaky -- fortunately I only had it twice.
Of course, I have medication that makes me dream very vividly. It's hilarious most of the time.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 17, 2015 1:32:28 GMT -5
I had a dream once that repeated itself about 2 months later. I dreamed I was lying on a couch, and an enormous spider came into the room -- the body was about the size of a fat cow, and he was looking at me and coming toward me. The next thing I knew I was on my hands and knees on the floor and the blankets, pillows, and everything was on the floor around me. Very freaky -- fortunately I only had it twice. Of course, I have medication that makes me dream very vividly. It's hilarious most of the time. Some people say they don't dream or if they do they can't remember.
I dream every night, something.
Some times it is around a certain place. After being Scotland I had a recurrent dream about this Castle that was my house.
It was unbelievably huge.
I think I finally got tired of it & just quit dreaming about it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 3:59:15 GMT -5
One night I dreamt that I was crossing the road and a drunk driver came around the corner and almost knocked me over. He was able to apply the brakes and barely missed me. When I got up the following morning to my amazement , the tyre marks were there on my bed.LOL.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 17, 2015 5:22:37 GMT -5
Have you ever become 'hardened'? (within your heart)? I have. What's making me write about this today is a rather graphic and disturbing dream I had last night about someone I have cared for for a number of years. I have always thought very highly of this person; maybe too highly... In my dream it was like a 'truth' was being revealed about him that inside he was made of concrete. Just this hard concrete. It was wierd. Why would I dream this and what is it a reflection of? His exterior appeared normal. But when I found out the truth of being made of concrete on the inside I was very disappointed. Alas, it was just a dream, or was it? I don't know. Is this person really hardened like that of being made of concrete in the innermost part? I don't know. We've been out of contact. Maybe it's a different hardness, maybe he's going through a hard time and might need your help? The only way to find out is to talk to him.
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Post by SharonArnold on Feb 17, 2015 12:11:38 GMT -5
My friend was born in the early 1960's, so the dreams were from whole cloth. Unless of course, it was from a previous life! Did your friend ever become aware of the transparency of the related dream? Are you asking if she was aware of how seemingly applicable her dreams were to the process that was happening in her waking life? Yes, totally. At least towards the end of the process. It was a very traumatic time for her. I was thinking back to the types of dreams I had during my exiting years. A typical one would be me showing up at a convention wearing pants, and the shame I felt because I had nothing else to wear. Over time, the shame I felt in these kinds of dreams lessened, as I increasingly accepted that I simply did not belong there anymore. I think, overall, my exit process was more gradual and reflective than hers was.
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Post by snow on Feb 17, 2015 13:09:40 GMT -5
I have recurring dreams a lot. Most of them are places where I live (houses). Some of them are huge some are smaller, but I have dreamt about them so many times that I could draw you a floor plan for them very easily. Have no idea what they mean. Usually I'm looking for a specific room in some of the bigger ones.
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Post by matisse on Feb 17, 2015 13:17:08 GMT -5
I pay attention to dreams. My brain/gut seem to work through some types of problems while I am asleep...I have awakened knowing how to solve a math problem, or how to write a program, for example. I am no Kekule, but I do think, in connection with this about how Kekule (a chemist) got breakthrough insight into the ring form of the molecule, benzene, through a dream he had about a snake biting its own tail!
Sometimes, I find resolution to emotionally and psychologically charged life challenges in my sleep, as well. When I started working with a therapist to process leaving the 2x2s and losing my faith, I almost immediately began having vivid dreams. I came to see them as reflecting what was happening to me at a gut level, and as a rich source of useful (though sometimes initially puzzling) imagery. Therapy for me was a long, mysterious, largely non-linear/non-rational process and at times my dreams served as welcome signposts that suggested movement....maybe even progress!
I will often have helpful dreams when I am working through intense grief. The resolution of my grief is often succinctly represented by a dream image or dream sequence that becomes like a symbolic resting place for my memory of the loved one I have lost.
I do not experience or think of my dreams as being predictive of the future.
If I have a dream about someone, I will often use it as a prompt to get in touch with them, if for no other reason than to perform a random act of friendship!
My 0.02!
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Post by snow on Feb 17, 2015 13:49:25 GMT -5
I pay attention to dreams. My brain/gut seem to work through some types of problems while I am asleep...I have awakened knowing how to solve a math problem, or how to write a program, for example. I am no Kekule, but I do think, in connection with this about how Kekule (a chemist) got breakthrough insight into the ring form of the molecule, benzene, through a dream he had about a snake biting its own tail! Sometimes, I find resolution to emotionally and psychologically charged life challenges in my sleep, as well. When I started working with a therapist to process leaving the 2x2s and losing my faith, I almost immediately began having vivid dreams. I came to see them as reflecting what was happening to me at a gut level, and as a rich source of useful (though sometimes initially puzzling) imagery. Therapy for me was a long, mysterious, largely non-linear/non-rational process and at times my dreams served as welcome signposts that suggested movement....maybe even progress! I will often have helpful dreams when I am working through intense grief. The resolution of my grief is often succinctly represented by a dream image or dream sequence that becomes like a symbolic resting place for my memory of the loved one I have lost. I do not experience or think of my dreams as being predictive of the future. If I have a dream about someone, I will often use it as a prompt to get in touch with them, if for no other reason than to perform a random act of friendship! My 0.02! I agree we work through things in our dreams. Actually this is likely why we dream to process at an unconscious, more non threatening level so we remain sane! My husband has solved work problems in dreams and many scientists have commented on breakthroughs etc while in deep thought or dreams. One in particular that stands out for me is my husband waking up and saying an old man was in his dream and told him how to do a procedure that he was trying to figure out for his job. He went into work, tried the procedure as he was shown by the old man, and it worked. I think we do keep processing things all the time when something has stumped us or we are grieving etc. So it makes sense that our dreams help us with that sometimes, if we can just figure them out lol.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Feb 17, 2015 14:41:09 GMT -5
Have you ever become 'hardened'? (within your heart)? I have. What's making me write about this today is a rather graphic and disturbing dream I had last night about someone I have cared for for a number of years. I have always thought very highly of this person; maybe too highly... In my dream it was like a 'truth' was being revealed about him that inside he was made of concrete. Just this hard concrete. It was wierd. Why would I dream this and what is it a reflection of? His exterior appeared normal. But when I found out the truth of being made of concrete on the inside I was very disappointed. Alas, it was just a dream, or was it? I don't know. Is this person really hardened like that of being made of concrete in the innermost part? I don't know. We've been out of contact. Maybe it's a different hardness, maybe he's going through a hard time and might need your help? The only way to find out is to talk to him. You could be right. There were portions of my dream in which I felt the hard concrete was not something he was proud of, but perhaps something he was struggling with; maybe even a bit ashamed of. You know how dreams are, though...it's 'hard' to say, no pun intended. I think maybe he would like me to contact him, talk with him. But, I don't know how. Like I wrote, we've been out of contact for quite some time now. I don't even know how to get in touch with him...
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Feb 17, 2015 14:47:12 GMT -5
I have recurring dreams a lot. Most of them are places where I live (houses). Some of them are huge some are smaller, but I have dreamt about them so many times that I could draw you a floor plan for them very easily. Have no idea what they mean. Usually I'm looking for a specific room in some of the bigger ones. I have a very vivid dream life. And it's no unusual for me to dream in colors. Probably a pretty big 'thought' life as well...meaning, I think a lot. Maybe too much. I find it to be an interesting and sometimes fun process to interpret my dreams and explore what the dream might be reflecting to me about my awake and conscious life. In the Bible, Joseph had a gift for interpreting dreams as well as having prophetic dreams himself.
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