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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 2, 2015 2:45:51 GMT -5
I checked myself in the mirror just now, I see I don't have reptilian eyes, and no tail. Sorry, to disappoint you, Dennis.
Get a brain scan, Nathan.
Then you can see your reptilian brain
The reptilian brain, the oldest , controls the body's vital functions such as heart rate, breathing, body temperature and balance.
Our reptilian brain includes the main structures found in a reptile's brain: the brainstem and the cerebellum.
The reptilian brain is reliable but tends to be somewhat rigid and compulsive.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 2, 2015 3:45:42 GMT -5
Get a brain scan, Nathan.
Then you can see your reptilian brain
The reptilian brain, the oldest , controls the body's vital functions such as heart rate, breathing, body temperature and balance.
Our reptilian brain includes the main structures found in a reptile's brain: the brainstem and the cerebellum.
The reptilian brain is reliable but tends to be somewhat rigid and compulsive. Thanks to God the Father and Jesus.... They have given us His Holy Spirit to overcome/control that Reptilian rigid and compulsive nature or side of brain.
Perhaps you should thank evolution for that.
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Post by xna on Feb 2, 2015 12:20:13 GMT -5
Perhaps you should thank evolution for that. No, I don't believe in evolution. I believe in creation.~NathanB Q1.Do you get a flu shot each year? Q2. Do you believe god created all the breeds of dogs as they are now?
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Post by xna on Feb 2, 2015 13:37:37 GMT -5
~NathanB Q1.Do you get a flu shot each year? Some year I do, and some years I don't. The only reason you need to get a flu shot each year is because the influenza virus evolves from year to year. Some say in jest; if you don't believe in evolution and science based medicine but instead your way of knowing is only from scriptures, then science based medicine should be withheld, and you should just be told to pray your illness away. Some doctors today are not allowing parents with kids that now have the measles to visit their office, when they chose not to vaccinate their children. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xQ-HyzAgRkevolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/130201_flu
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Post by snow on Feb 2, 2015 13:40:56 GMT -5
What I wonder is, with all these lizard grey shape shifting genes around, how many of us reading/posting here are of such ancestry?
Having been labeled spawn of Satan by 2&2 workers and some who adhere to their teachings, I guess I am one? How many are then and don't even know it?
Who knows, maybe even Nathan is one? haha Dennis, I was thinking the same thing. I was labeled the spawn of the devil by a worker once after too many unanswerable questions too. Who knows since I was adopted. I just might be related to these reptilians.
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Post by snow on Feb 2, 2015 13:42:16 GMT -5
What I wonder is, with all these lizard grey shape shifting genes around, how many of us reading/posting here are of such ancestry?
Having been labeled spawn of Satan by 2&2 workers and some who adhere to their teachings, I guess I am one? How many are then and don't even know it?
Who knows, maybe even Nathan is one? I checked myself in the mirror just now, I see I don't have reptilian eyes, and no tail. Sorry, to disappoint you, Dennis.
Here are 100 people with the Reptilians eyes...
~~ Top 100 REPTILIAN SHAPE SHIFTERS www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl-SSlzOo00
Umm according to you the Queen is reptilian and I have never noticed her to have a tail nor reptilian eyes. So that doesn't seem to be a good guideline Nathan.
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Post by xna on Feb 2, 2015 14:01:20 GMT -5
~NathanB Q2. Do you believe god created all the breeds of dogs as they are now? No, I don't God create all the breads of dogs now. ~~ Coll 1:15-17 The Supremacy of the Son of God
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Satan, the fallen angels, and lately men have been able to clone God's own creation, humans, Reptiles, and animals alike. Mendel's pea experiment explains evolution by human selection & genetics. Darwin explains evolution by natural selection. The different "Kinds" of dogs today are a direct result of evolution by human selection. This contradicts the bible (Genesis 1) where each was created according to their kind. Some creationist say: god uses evolution: others say, god does micro but not macro evolution. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendelwww.youtube.com/watch?v=AcJ2qpSSqpo
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 16:21:58 GMT -5
Nathan, those who have earned my esteem can (and do) "disappoint" me.
Regarding this reptilian, shape shifting information of which I am just becoming aware, if there is any truth in it, then I am very glad to be at the end of my life.
Regarding all of us as individuals, I have no idea who might be part of this "huge, wild, beyond my largest imagination" group of vileness, evil witches and warlocks to be hunted and who is not. Nor do I have any real desire to try to imagine them and be troubled in my own mind as my life has enough of my own faults, failures, sins, even demons if some will, all trying to occupy my mind and interupt my desire to put my God first, above all else.
Just the other day in a very bad spell, I expressed my desire to just "go walk about" to Katie, who began to weep telling me how much she needed me and depended upon me in her life. I knew I needed her, and depended upon her, however that was the very first I even considered she might feel the same about me, and I have drawn strength from that awareness. The very last thing we need to be concerned about are creatures such as you believe in and describe, we just have enough on our own plates. What I wonder is, with all these lizard grey shape shifting genes around, how many of us reading/posting here are of such ancestry?
Having been labeled spawn of Satan by 2&2 workers and some who adhere to their teachings, I guess I am one? How many are then and don't even know it?
Who knows, maybe even Nathan is one? I checked myself in the mirror just now, I see I don't have reptilian eyes, and no tail. Sorry, to disappoint you, Dennis.
Here are 100 people with the Reptilians eyes...
~~ Top 100 REPTILIAN SHAPE SHIFTERS www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl-SSlzOo00
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 2, 2015 17:18:17 GMT -5
Perhaps you should thank evolution for that. No, I don't believe in evolution. I believe in creation. So you think that God just started out by giving man the The reptilian brain , then added on limbic brain, and then last of all the neocortex
You know that they are all layered on top of one another?
If they were created for each different type of animal, they wouldn't have had to be layered on top of each other for humans. Right?
The reptilian brain, the oldest of the three, controls the body's vital functions such as heart rate, breathing, body temperature and balance. Our reptilian brain includes the main structures found in a reptile's brain: the brainstem and the cerebellum. The reptilian brain is reliable but tends to be somewhat rigid and compulsive.
The limbic brain emerged in the first mammals. It can record memories of behaviours that produced agreeable and disagreeable experiences, so it is responsible for what are called emotions in human beings. The main structures of the limbic brain are the hippocampus, the amygdala, and the hypothalamus. The limbic brain is the seat of the value judgments that we make, often unconsciously, that exert such a strong influence on our behaviour.
The neocortex first assumed importance in primates and culminated in the human brain with its two large cerebral hemispheres that play such a dominant role. These hemispheres have been responsible for the development of human language, abstract thought, imagination, and consciousness. The neocortex is flexible and has almost infinite learning abilities. The neocortex is also what has enabled human cultures to develop. , the oldest of the three, controls the body's vital functions such as heart rate, breathing, body temperature and balance. Our reptilian brain includes the main structures found in a reptile's brain: the brainstem and the cerebellum. The reptilian brain is reliable but tends to be somewhat rigid and compulsive. The limbic brain emerged in the first mammals. It can record memories of behaviours that produced agreeable and disagreeable experiences, so it is responsible for what are called emotions in human beings. The main structures of the limbic brain are the hippocampus, the amygdala, and the hypothalamus. The limbic brain is the seat of the value judgments that we make, often unconsciously, that exert such a strong influence on our behaviour. The neocortex first assumed importance in primates and culminated in the human brain with its two large cerebral hemispheres that play such a dominant role. These hemispheres have been responsible for the development of human language, abstract thought, imagination, and consciousness. The neocortex is flexible and has almost infinite learning abilities. The neocortex is also what has enabled human cultures to develop.
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Post by snow on Feb 2, 2015 17:58:53 GMT -5
No, I don't believe in evolution. I believe in creation. So you think that God just started out by giving man the The reptilian brain , then added on limbic brain, and then last of all the then the neocortex?
You know that they are all layered on top of one another?
If they were create for each different type of animal, they wouldn't have had to be layered on top of each other for humans. Right?
The reptilian brain, the oldest of the three, controls the body's vital functions such as heart rate, breathing, body temperature and balance. Our reptilian brain includes the main structures found in a reptile's brain: the brainstem and the cerebellum. The reptilian brain is reliable but tends to be somewhat rigid and compulsive.
The limbic brain emerged in the first mammals. It can record memories of behaviours that produced agreeable and disagreeable experiences, so it is responsible for what are called emotions in human beings. The main structures of the limbic brain are the hippocampus, the amygdala, and the hypothalamus. The limbic brain is the seat of the value judgments that we make, often unconsciously, that exert such a strong influence on our behaviour.
The neocortex first assumed importance in primates and culminated in the human brain with its two large cerebral hemispheres that play such a dominant role. These hemispheres have been responsible for the development of human language, abstract thought, imagination, and consciousness. The neocortex is flexible and has almost infinite learning abilities. The neocortex is also what has enabled human cultures to develop. , the oldest of the three, controls the body's vital functions such as heart rate, breathing, body temperature and balance. Our reptilian brain includes the main structures found in a reptile's brain: the brainstem and the cerebellum. The reptilian brain is reliable but tends to be somewhat rigid and compulsive. The limbic brain emerged in the first mammals. It can record memories of behaviours that produced agreeable and disagreeable experiences, so it is responsible for what are called emotions in human beings. The main structures of the limbic brain are the hippocampus, the amygdala, and the hypothalamus. The limbic brain is the seat of the value judgments that we make, often unconsciously, that exert such a strong influence on our behaviour. The neocortex first assumed importance in primates and culminated in the human brain with its two large cerebral hemispheres that play such a dominant role. These hemispheres have been responsible for the development of human language, abstract thought, imagination, and consciousness. The neocortex is flexible and has almost infinite learning abilities. The neocortex is also what has enabled human cultures to develop.
Exactly dmg, the brain is actually one of the most conclusive proofs for evolution. There is absolutely no need to create the brain in that way but rather it shows how it was a sequence of evolution to arrive at a brain that has a neocortex today.
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Post by rational on Feb 3, 2015 0:21:48 GMT -5
....and some people imagine that a big bang just happened and that the human brain, their eye and every other part of their body just happened to go together all by chance. No master mind or power greater than us behind it all. The world holds in space just by chance. A pretty scary sense of existence. As far as I can tell, people who do not believe in evolution are the only ones who believe in the statement you made. If you are going to have a discussion about a subject like evolution the first thing you should do is read about the theory from non-fundamentalists sources.Yes it could. The earth could be struck by a large object. It has been in the past and most likely will be in the future.Life is a gamble. You get into your car and there is a chance you will not get out alive. If you live in the US the chances are between 1.5% and 2.5% that you will be killed. It must be a tough job being god. Which child will get bone cancer and die? Which father will be killed by the drunk driver today? Which wife will be injured by her abusive husband? Which sexual offender will get to molest over 200 victims before getting caught? Yes, I am certainly glad god is on top of making decisions and knows what he/she is doing. Prioritizing would be difficult. The best way to keep it in track is to post interesting comments and stimulate discussion. You are off to a good start. Now just post some arguments that support your point of view or arguments that refute the opposing point of view.
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Post by rational on Feb 3, 2015 0:50:22 GMT -5
The book title is derived from a meeting between David Icke and a senior member of British Intelligence. David asked him what was the biggest secret held by British Intelligence. The man replied that it was that the British Royal Family are shape-shifting reptilians! Can you think of any reason why a senior member of British Intelligence would tell David Icke state secrets? He threw out a sarcastic answer and sadly Icke actually believed him!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 3, 2015 1:14:29 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Feb 3, 2015 10:05:39 GMT -5
I am not a YouTube watcher but I am familiar with Monty Python. I am sure the David Icke situation was also comedy!
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Post by slowtosee on Feb 3, 2015 10:30:28 GMT -5
Guess. I'll just add (maybe subtract) to the off topic discussion here lol. I have a neighbour friend who works in the Yukon , during summertime , digging gold. (some of you will have seen his nephew on TV series documenting or more like dramatizing gold digging). He has collected a fair number of bones and teeth. Etc from animals remains, that he has dug up, while working up there. Animals, such as tigers and wooly mammoth and vegetation, that sure are not able to survive up there in that climate today. Some " catastrophic" event seems to have happened a long time ago and changed the "atmosphere " they could survive in, for a time. No real conclusions, but he's just an ordinary guy, discovering some unusual "stuff", that doesn't always fit with many "theories" presented, including the "sunday school" answers. Alvin. Edit - but. No, I don't think ANY connection to hollow earth or that the queen is a reptile. Sorry. You'll have to look elsewhere for clues.
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Post by What Hat on Feb 5, 2015 5:56:58 GMT -5
Oh, so Satan is responsible for the bad stuff? But who created Satan?
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Post by snow on Feb 5, 2015 12:40:05 GMT -5
Oh, so Satan is responsible for the bad stuff? But who created Satan? Jesus/Yahweh God created all angels. Lucifer was one of the highest Cheribum Order of the angels, persuaded 1/3 of the good angels to rebel against God, and they became EVIL by their own freewill. They tried to overthrown God's authority in heaven. God created all of the angels to be good beings, to serve Him and the humans but Satan and his followers wanted to be rulers/gods in heaven and on the earth instead of being servants. God did NOT created Satan to be EVIL, he became evil by his own freewill.So God created the ability to be evil?
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Post by What Hat on Feb 5, 2015 13:22:30 GMT -5
So God created the ability to be evil? Yes, the angels have that ability either to be good or evil.It gets back to the basic question of why there is evil in the world. The answer that Satan is the cause is not satisfactory since Satan is not co-eternal with God, and was created by God. If you prefer, I suppose we could ask, "Why did God create creatures that have the free will to decide if they will do good or evil"? In any case, all we're doing is stepping the question back by one degree. We suggest that the cause is Satan, which then raises the issue of why Satan was created, and really just gets us right back to the original question as to why God allowed evil in the world or conceived of a world that included Satan and evil.
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Post by What Hat on Feb 5, 2015 15:24:51 GMT -5
It gets back to the basic question of why there is evil in the world. The answer that Satan is the cause is not satisfactory since Satan is not co-eternal with God, and was created by God. If you prefer, I suppose we could ask, "Why did God create creatures that have the free will to decide if they will do good or evil"? In any case, all we're doing is stepping the question back by one degree. We suggest that the cause is Satan, which then raises the issue of why Satan was created, and really just gets us right back to the original question as to why God allowed evil in the world or conceived of a world that included Satan and evil. God didn't create Satan as an Evil being. God created Lucifer a good entity to serve Him and the humans. It was Satan own freewill to become EVIL. God created all of the angels to be good, and helpful beings to the humans. Satan and 1/3 of the fallen angels have encouraged, create more evilness in the world. Men are capable of creating evil thoughts, stealing, fornication, adultery, murders, etc.. among ourselves but Satan made it more terrifying and deadlier. That is also an unsatisfying explanation. It makes it sound like God is not in control. i.e. You're suggesting God created a good entity, and then against God's Will and knowledge this entity became evil. And God did not know this would happen?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 5, 2015 15:59:38 GMT -5
God didn't create Satan as an Evil being. God created Lucifer a good entity to serve Him and the humans. It was Satan own freewill to become EVIL. God created all of the angels to be good, and helpful beings to the humans. Satan and 1/3 of the fallen angels have encouraged, create more evilness in the world. Men are capable of creating evil thoughts, stealing, fornication, adultery, murders, etc.. among ourselves but Satan made it more terrifying and deadlier. That is also an unsatisfying explanation. It makes it sound like God is not in control. i.e. You're suggesting God created a good entity, and then against God's Will and knowledge this entity became evil. [font color="04035d"]And God did not know this would happen?
Good question!
God was supposed to be all powerful & all knowing, so if HE DID create people & angels to have free will to do as they wanted, then HE must had done so with purpose.
What kind of of a god, who so many here on this forum insist is an loving god , would create humans thus & then severely punish those who followed their free will?
It is like some law enforcement setting up a "sting" operation .
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Post by snow on Feb 5, 2015 18:09:34 GMT -5
But Nathan, if Satan became evil God had to know that was going to happen right? why would he create a being that could rebel and turn evil and do it knowing exactly what was going to happen when he did that? And, then punish Satan and all his angels and all mankind when they did decide to use their free will?
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Post by snow on Feb 5, 2015 23:10:34 GMT -5
But Nathan, if Satan became evil God had to know that was going to happen right? why would he create a being that could rebel and turn evil and do it knowing exactly what was going to happen when he did that? And, then punish Satan and all his angels and all mankind when they did decide to use their free will? God created the angels to serve others NOT to rule over anyone. Free will= obedience leads to life and disobedience is death. God said, "If you go to the left you will go over the cliff, to the right is the road of safety. God said " Listen to me, Whatever you do, Don't go to the left! you'll die. Take the right path, will save your life."
Someone (Satan) came along and said, " Go to the left, there is no cliff, you will NOT die. Don't listen to you him. Trust me." Well, if you go to the left you die! That is your own freewill to choose... you must live with the consequence of your own choice and freewill.So why would god give angels free will?
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Post by What Hat on Feb 5, 2015 23:16:18 GMT -5
But Nathan, if Satan became evil God had to know that was going to happen right? why would he create a being that could rebel and turn evil and do it knowing exactly what was going to happen when he did that? And, then punish Satan and all his angels and all mankind when they did decide to use their free will? God created the angels to serve others NOT to rule over anyone. Free will= obedience leads to life and disobedience is death. God said, "If you go to the left you will go over the cliff, to the right is the road of safety. God said " Listen to me, Whatever you do, Don't go to the left! you'll die. Take the right path, will save your life."
Someone (Satan) came along and said, " Go to the left, there is no cliff, you will NOT die. Don't listen to you him. Trust me." Well, if you go to the left you die! That is your own freewill to choose... you must live with the consequence of your own choice and freewill.There are just so many things wrong with this explanation. First of all, much pain, death and suffering is the product of chance; not a consequence of anyone's choice or free will at all. But let's set aside this objection and assume that suffering is the result of Adam's choice, and also Lucifer/ Satan's fall from heaven. This still does not help us understand the mind of God in setting all this in motion. We can certainly look backward over the divine narrative, as it is called, and every piece falls in place. However, looking forward from the perspective of God before Creation, before the Fall of Satan, one wonders why he bothered with the whole thing at all. I'm not saying he shouldn't have done what he did; I'm not judging God. I'm just saying that his motivation, and his temperament, which many say is Love, seems unfathomable. In any case, your explanation doesn't help me to see what God was thinking. What were you thinking, God? That is the question that I don't fully understand.
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Post by What Hat on Feb 5, 2015 23:18:28 GMT -5
So why would god give angels free will? Because God didn't want create them as robots... They're free to do serve Him or NOT.... Just like the humans.Nathan, if you painted your house green, and I asked, why did you pick green? And you answered, "because I did not want blue", are we any further ahead on why you painted it green?
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Post by What Hat on Feb 5, 2015 23:32:56 GMT -5
That is also an unsatisfying explanation. It makes it sound like God is not in control. i.e. You're suggesting God created a good entity, and then against God's Will and knowledge this entity became evil. [font color="04035d"]And God did not know this would happen?
Good question!
God was supposed to be all powerful & all knowing, so if HE DID create people & angels to have free will to do as they wanted, then HE must had done so with purpose.
What kind of of a god, who so many here on this forum insist is an loving god , would create humans thus & then severely punish those who followed their free will?
It is like some law enforcement setting up a "sting" operation .
Well, there's a concept I haven't heard before; life as just one long "sting" operation. From the day we're born it is just a matter of time until our hand gets caught in the cookie jar; that's the first wrongdoing that I remember. And there were many more to come in rapid succession. As a child I reasoned that I should just stay in bed all the time, so I would not sin and please God. Of course, I never actually tried that and wouldn't have lasted very long in any case. That explanation sure works for me, I mean, as an explanation of Protestant theology. Divine entrapment, and that is followed by release if we find the church with the "formula". I much prefer the idea of following Jesus in the face of adversity; that is, that there is essential goodness in man, the exercise of which is what pleases God. Not the person themselves, their achievements, their material position in life, which neither please nor displease God, but what the person has done for the betterment of those around them. That's how I read it.
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Post by snow on Feb 5, 2015 23:34:46 GMT -5
God created the angels to serve others NOT to rule over anyone. Free will= obedience leads to life and disobedience is death. God said, "If you go to the left you will go over the cliff, to the right is the road of safety. God said " Listen to me, Whatever you do, Don't go to the left! you'll die. Take the right path, will save your life."
Someone (Satan) came along and said, " Go to the left, there is no cliff, you will NOT die. Don't listen to you him. Trust me." Well, if you go to the left you die! That is your own freewill to choose... you must live with the consequence of your own choice and freewill. There are just so many things wrong with this explanation. First of all, much pain, death and suffering is the product of chance; not a consequence of anyone's choice or free will at all. But let's set aside this objection and assume that suffering is the result of Adam's choice, and also Lucifer/ Satan's fall from heaven. This still does not help us understand the mind of God in setting all this in motion. We can certainly look backward over the divine narrative, as it is called, and every piece falls in place. However, looking forward from the perspective of God before Creation, before the Fall of Satan, one wonders why he bothered with the whole thing at all. I'm not saying he shouldn't have done what he did; I'm not judging God. I'm just saying that his motivation, and his temperament, which many say is Love, seems unfathomable. In any case, your explanation doesn't help me to see what God was thinking. What were you thinking, God? That is the question that I don't fully understand. I'm curious. Is there some reason why it's wrong to question God? Especially when what he is said to be and then said to have done don't make any sense whatsoever? That is exactly why I don't believe in the Christian version of God. The whole concept makes no sense. It is such a tangle of contradictions that make no sense. Then when you add on the things this being of 'love' does in the OT, it just gets more messed up. So then we hear 'well we can't know the mind of God'. But in order to do the horrific things this God does in the OT, you would need to be a psychopath to understand the mind of God. It wouldn't be a good thing to comprehend how anyone, god or human, could do the things he supposedly did. Then when you hear about how high up Satan was you have to question that story also. If God is all loving and heaven is a wonderful place of eternal bliss, and God is all powerful, why would any angel in it's right mind think it could take on this being and win? Also why would they want to if heaven is what people think it is?
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Post by What Hat on Feb 5, 2015 23:43:28 GMT -5
Nathan, if you painted your house green, and I asked, why did you pick green? And you answered, "because I did not want blue", are we any further ahead on why you painted it green? Your questions don't make any sense in what you're discussing... Care to try again?We already know that if God wanted to create free will, that he didn't want robots. That's obvious. You haven't given us any new information but just repeated the same idea. Same as my example about painting your house. The answer doesn't help us. It is a tautology.
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Post by What Hat on Feb 5, 2015 23:53:52 GMT -5
There are just so many things wrong with this explanation. First of all, much pain, death and suffering is the product of chance; not a consequence of anyone's choice or free will at all. But let's set aside this objection and assume that suffering is the result of Adam's choice, and also Lucifer/ Satan's fall from heaven. This still does not help us understand the mind of God in setting all this in motion. We can certainly look backward over the divine narrative, as it is called, and every piece falls in place. However, looking forward from the perspective of God before Creation, before the Fall of Satan, one wonders why he bothered with the whole thing at all. I'm not saying he shouldn't have done what he did; I'm not judging God. I'm just saying that his motivation, and his temperament, which many say is Love, seems unfathomable. In any case, your explanation doesn't help me to see what God was thinking. What were you thinking, God? That is the question that I don't fully understand. I'm curious. Is there some reason why it's wrong to question God? Especially when what he is said to be and then said to have done don't make any sense whatsoever? That is exactly why I don't believe in the Christian version of God. The whole concept makes no sense. It is such a tangle of contradictions that make no sense. Then when you add on the things this being of 'love' does in the OT, it just gets more messed up. So then we hear 'well we can't know the mind of God'. But in order to do the horrific things this God does in the OT, you would need to be a psychopath to understand the mind of God. It wouldn't be a good thing to comprehend how anyone, god or human, could do the things he supposedly did. Then when you hear about how high up Satan was you have to question that story also. If God is all loving and heaven is a wonderful place of eternal bliss, and God is all powerful, why would any angel in it's right mind think it could take on this being and win? Also why would they want to if heaven is what people think it is? I have to admit that I'm not comfortable questioning God's motives. I don't mind saying I don't understand his motives, or occasionally asking questions of the "Why me, Lord"? variety. I also don't have much trouble questioning the way in which other people understand God. There are also many aspect of Christian interpretation of God and man's relationship with God that I don't accept. I do think of God as Love, but on many issues I don't have an answer - most notably on why mankind has to suffer. I think that the necessity of 'free will' is at least a partial answer. I hope I'll see that one more clearly when I wake up in the Matrix, whoops, I mean the after-life.
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