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Post by terfly4fun on Jan 31, 2015 21:32:14 GMT -5
Ok I just have to throw this question on the board here for discussion. My question is sincere, and I want to know the right answer. I heard a minister on the radio say people mistakenly blame GOD for all the suffering in the world. He said the mistake is in thinking GOD is the real ruler of the world when he is not, then he went on to say people must realize a simple but important "truth" that the Bible teaches ... that the real ruler of this world is SATAN ... the Devil. He said " ... the Bible clearly states 'the world is lying in the power of the wicked one' ..." 1 John 5:19 was the reference he gave. I've heard other ministers say that God see's everything. That " ... there is a purpose for everything under the sun ..." and that GOD is in charge of everything. One minister quoted from Jeremiah where GOD chose Jeremiah to be a prophet even before he was born, and when Jeremiah tried to get out of relaying GOD'S messages for 40 years, Jeremiah asked not to choose him, because Jeremiah viewed himself as being too young, and GOD told Jeremiah " ... I knew you before you were even born, and I chose you to be a profit before you were born ..." This minister says GOD rules EVERYTHING. ( it leaves me wondering what GOD thought of me before I was born, and why he didn't choose ME to be a prophet?) Anyway ... what's the answer? Who's in charge?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 31, 2015 22:30:43 GMT -5
My best guess is that it's the 82 people who have most of the world's money.
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Post by bubbles on Jan 31, 2015 23:03:22 GMT -5
Scripture talks about Lucifer being the Prince of the power of the air. It also says we fight not against flesh and blood but principalities and powers, spirits of wickedness in high places. Understanding what that means is of the essence. Bob I assume is refering to the richest families/the illuminati..they are above the governments.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 31, 2015 23:38:58 GMT -5
Scripture talks about Lucifer being the Prince of the power of the air. It also says we fight not against flesh and blood but principalities and powers, spirits of wickedness in high places. Understanding what that means is of the essence. Bob I assume is refering to the richest families/the illuminati..they are above the governments. google:"Meet The 80 People Who Are As Rich As Half The World " Take a look!
They don't look as if that they would have anything to do with any "illuminati."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 0:12:35 GMT -5
Ok I just have to throw this question on the board here for discussion. My question is sincere, and I want to know the right answer. I heard a minister on the radio say people mistakenly blame GOD for all the suffering in the world. He said the mistake is in thinking GOD is the real ruler of the world when he is not, then he went on to say people must realize a simple but important "truth" that the Bible teaches ... that the real ruler of this world is SATAN ... the Devil. He said " ... the Bible clearly states 'the world is lying in the power of the wicked one' ..." 1 John 5:19 was the reference he gave. I've heard other ministers say that God see's everything. That " ... there is a purpose for everything under the sun ..." and that GOD is in charge of everything. One minister quoted from Jeremiah where GOD chose Jeremiah to be a prophet even before he was born, and when Jeremiah tried to get out of relaying GOD'S messages for 40 years, Jeremiah asked not to choose him, because Jeremiah viewed himself as being too young, and GOD told Jeremiah " ... I knew you before you were even born, and I chose you to be a profit before you were born ..." This minister says GOD rules EVERYTHING. ( it leaves me wondering what GOD thought of me before I was born, and why he didn't choose ME to be a prophet?) Anyway ... what's the answer? Who's in charge? What led you to believe that anyone is in charge or that there is a real ruler of the world? I suggest you stop paying attention to what ministers say and start thinking for yourself. Matt10
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Post by bubbles on Feb 1, 2015 6:57:26 GMT -5
13 bloodlines The Astor bloodline. The Bundy bloodline. The Collins bloodline. The Dupont bloodline. The Freeman bloodline. The Kennedy bloodline. The Li bloodline. The Onassis bloodline. The Reynolds bloodline. The Rockafella bloodline. The Rothschilds bloodline. The Russell bloodline. The Van Duyn bloodline.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 1, 2015 10:14:30 GMT -5
Ok I just have to throw this question on the board here for discussion. My question is sincere, and I want to know the right answer. I heard a minister on the radio say people mistakenly blame GOD for all the suffering in the world. He said the mistake is in thinking GOD is the real ruler of the world when he is not, then he went on to say people must realize a simple but important "truth" that the Bible teaches ... that the real ruler of this world is SATAN ... the Devil. He said " ... the Bible clearly states 'the world is lying in the power of the wicked one' ..." 1 John 5:19 was the reference he gave. I've heard other ministers say that God see's everything. That " ... there is a purpose for everything under the sun ..." and that GOD is in charge of everything. One minister quoted from Jeremiah where GOD chose Jeremiah to be a prophet even before he was born, and when Jeremiah tried to get out of relaying GOD'S messages for 40 years, Jeremiah asked not to choose him, because Jeremiah viewed himself as being too young, and GOD told Jeremiah " ... I knew you before you were even born, and I chose you to be a profit before you were born ..." This minister says GOD rules EVERYTHING. ( it leaves me wondering what GOD thought of me before I was born, and why he didn't choose ME to be a prophet?) Anyway ... what's the answer? Who's in charge? I feel perhaps one answer would be found in one of the Psalms! "Psalm 73:17-20King James Version (KJV) 17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end. 18 Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction. 19 How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors. 20 As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image." Remember the Psalmist started this Psalm with the idea that his feet had nigh on to have slipped.....he was greatly overwhelmed and discouraged at how the evil and ungodly prospered....but then when he went into the sanctuary of God, he then understood their end.
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Post by faune on Feb 1, 2015 10:49:54 GMT -5
therfly4fun ~ I love your creative username and your thought provoking questions! For somebody new to this board with only nine (9) posts to your credit, I salute you.
In answer to your opening question, I feel this article presents the best answer I could find relating to scripture. However, that's just my opinion and somebody may prove me wrong before long.
brandplucked.webs.com/satanorgodcontrols.htm Who Rules the World - God or Satan"
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Post by xna on Feb 1, 2015 11:34:27 GMT -5
I say; no one, no god, or no devil is in control of earth. The gods of old live only in imaginations. If you want to know who has control, look for those with enough the power to control, ie follow the money. Here you will find none is in control of earth, not even a group of the global mega rich. (I learned that during the 2008 recession as the worlds most rich also got a haircut. Check the Forbes 500 global rich list during this time.) If anything is starting to take control of humans today it's our electronic overlords. Those electronic algorithms who control us, without adult supervision! If we humans totally screw up earth for all of mankind, the earth will do just fine without humans or gods. youtu.be/ENWVRcMGDoU
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Post by snow on Feb 1, 2015 12:56:31 GMT -5
All gods and devils are created by human imagination. It's fun to imagine and humans do it well. Some of it is downright silly, some of it dangerous and we need to really question what we believe. Too many have fallen for conspiracy theories but I guess it's 'drama' people are attracted to. Most of our lives are pretty normal and mundane so imagination makes it more exciting?
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 1, 2015 13:12:51 GMT -5
Scripture talks about Lucifer being the Prince of the power of the air. It also says we fight not against flesh and blood but principalities and powers, spirits of wickedness in high places. Understanding what that means is of the essence. Bob I assume is refering to the richest families/the illuminati..they are above the governments. No. I was referring to the individuals whose personal wealth equals that of 50 percent of the whole world's population. Money is just a civilized form of power.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 1, 2015 13:14:53 GMT -5
13 bloodlines The Astor bloodline. The Bundy bloodline. The Collins bloodline. The Dupont bloodline. The Freeman bloodline. The Kennedy bloodline. The Li bloodline. The Onassis bloodline. The Reynolds bloodline. The Rockafella bloodline. The Rothschilds bloodline. The Russell bloodline. The Van Duyn bloodline. You forgot the Williston bloodline, and the Gates bloodline.
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Post by snow on Feb 1, 2015 13:53:03 GMT -5
13 bloodlines The Astor bloodline. The Bundy bloodline. The Collins bloodline. The Dupont bloodline. The Freeman bloodline. The Kennedy bloodline. The Li bloodline. The Onassis bloodline. The Reynolds bloodline. The Rockafella bloodline. The Rothschilds bloodline. The Russell bloodline. The Van Duyn bloodline. You forgot the Williston bloodline, and the Gates bloodline. And the Rose bloodline
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Post by Mary on Feb 1, 2015 15:19:53 GMT -5
....and some people imagine that a big bang just happened and that the human brain, their eye and every other part of their body just happened to go together all by chance. No master mind or power greater than us behind it all. The world holds in space just by chance. A pretty scary sense of existence. It could all blow up at any time. As if terrorists aren't enough to contend with let alone any chance of this world exploding and all us with it. I'm glad there is a God who knows what he is doing.
I'm disappointed with how this thread has gone. I was really hoping there would be a good discussion but instead we get all the ET stuff sabotaging yet another thread.
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Post by faune on Feb 1, 2015 15:34:16 GMT -5
You forgot the Williston bloodline, and the Gates bloodline. And the Rose bloodline Snow ~ I never heard of the "Rose bloodline." Perhaps you can fill me in. However, I have heard of the "Williston bloodline" to which Bob is a member. LOL Sorry to be so ignorant of details along these lines, but I don't follow these conspiracy stories or those of alien visitors to our planet. I guess I'm not that big o a science fiction fan after all?
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Post by xna on Feb 1, 2015 16:03:07 GMT -5
....and some people imagine that a big bang just happened and that the human brain, their eye and every other part of their body just happened to go together all by chance. No master mind or power greater than us behind it all. The world holds in space just by chance. A pretty scary sense of existence. It could all blow up at any time. As if terrorists aren't enough to contend with let alone any chance of this world exploding and all us with it. I'm glad there is a God who knows what he is doing. I'm disappointed with how this thread has gone. I was really hoping there would be a good discussion but instead we get all the ET stuff sabotaging yet another thread. What was before the big bang = unknown What controls our body features; brain, eye color = DNA What hold us in space = Our Sun What is the chance of dying from an astroid 1 in 74,817,414 Some versions of Jeremiah include time travel and space aliens. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dqha58gJMY
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Post by bubbles on Feb 1, 2015 16:06:08 GMT -5
All gods and devils are created by human imagination. It's fun to imagine and humans do it well. Some of it is downright silly, some of it dangerous and we need to really question what we believe. Too many have fallen for conspiracy theories but I guess it's 'drama' people are attracted to. Most of our lives are pretty normal and mundane so imagination makes it more exciting? If gods and devils are created by human imagination then its been happening a long time. We were created with imagination. Some people why do you think that was necessary? What do you think the purpose of it was by the creator of us? Questioning what we believe is healthy. Conspiracy theories only last until proven to be true. I will admit a bit of drama adds an element of excitment. My life normal? Hmm whats normal? Mundane? Not often. When it gets mundane I find a dream. Begin to dream it and set to work creating it. No matter how long it takes.
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Post by bubbles on Feb 1, 2015 16:13:15 GMT -5
....and some people imagine that a big bang just happened and that the human brain, their eye and every other part of their body just happened to go together all by chance. No master mind or power greater than us behind it all. The world holds in space just by chance. A pretty scary sense of existence. It could all blow up at any time. As if terrorists aren't enough to contend with let alone any chance of this world exploding and all us with it. I'm glad there is a God who knows what he is doing. I'm disappointed with how this thread has gone. I was really hoping there would be a good discussion but instead we get all the ET stuff sabotaging yet another thread. Aww..I hear ya. Difficult to get into nutz and bolts of the supernatural around here.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 1, 2015 16:29:11 GMT -5
All gods and devils are created by human imagination. It's fun to imagine and humans do it well. Some of it is downright silly, some of it dangerous and we need to really question what we believe. Too many have fallen for conspiracy theories but I guess it's 'drama' people are attracted to. Most of our lives are pretty normal and mundane so i magination makes it more exciting? Snow, I think you have really caught it in a nut-shell!
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 1, 2015 16:35:39 GMT -5
....and some people imagine that a big bang just happened and that the human brain, their eye and every other part of their body just happened to go together all by chance. No master mind or power greater than us behind it all. The world holds in space just by chance. A pretty scary sense of existence. It could all blow up at any time. As if terrorists aren't enough to contend with let alone any chance of this world exploding and all us with it. I'm glad there is a God who knows what he is doing. I'm disappointed with how this thread has gone. I was really hoping there would be a good discussion but instead we get all the ET stuff sabotaging yet another thread. Who said anything about big bangs and eyeballs -- or even whose mind shaped the universe? The topic is about who controls the world. Until we came to flying eyeballs I thought it was a decent on-topic discussion. We should be thankful we live on a planet where ISIS is our worst threat. Most of the universe is a far more violent place, really.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 16:40:23 GMT -5
Quote - "We should be thankful we live on a planet where ISIS is our worst threat. Most of the universe is a far more violent place, really."
That's the Quote of the Day (mainly 'cos it's true!) !!!!
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Post by terfly4fun on Feb 1, 2015 16:53:48 GMT -5
Do the world's most powerful people attend any certain church or believe in Christianity at all?
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Post by terfly4fun on Feb 1, 2015 16:54:14 GMT -5
Are the BUILDERBURGERS still part of the world's most powerful people?
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Post by terfly4fun on Feb 1, 2015 16:58:20 GMT -5
13 bloodlines The Astor bloodline. The Bundy bloodline. The Collins bloodline. The Dupont bloodline. The Freeman bloodline. The Kennedy bloodline. The Li bloodline. The Onassis bloodline. The Reynolds bloodline. The Rockafella bloodline. The Rothschilds bloodline. The Russell bloodline. The Van Duyn bloodline. You forgot the Williston bloodline, and the Gates bloodline.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 1, 2015 16:59:21 GMT -5
All gods and devils are created by human imagination. It's fun to imagine and humans do it well. Some of it is downright silly, some of it dangerous and we need to really question what we believe. Too many have fallen for conspiracy theories but I guess it's 'drama' people are attracted to. Most of our lives are pretty normal and mundane so imagination makes it more exciting? If gods and devils are created by human imagination then its been happening a long time. We were created with imagination. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think it was "imagination" that created my own children. People had to say something to their children. When my kids asked me why some people were darker than others, I told them God put them at the back of the oven and he was longer taking them out. When I told my class that the black kids laughed hysterically. I don't have a clue. But I've heard he did it for his own pleasure. Maybe he is playing with us, but we're not all enjoying it, apparently. What is the difference between a conspiracy theory and a religious belief? Nothing but a name, really. Conspiracy theories all originate in people's minds, and thus are subject to disproval. Similarly with religious beliefs. It used to be that diseases were caused by evil spirits, and then not so long ago germs and viruses were discovered, and the Pagans were right all along. Your mother allowed you to do that? My goodness, she should have been investigating frequently to see if you were meditating on the Word of God. It may have driven you crazy, but who cares if it means getting rid of one's evil imaginings. Frankly, you're lucky. People who can't use their imagination to their own advantage are either brainwashed or too stupid to have a clue where to start. The gods forbid. If they're going to play with us, they should have some creative people to play with. Who wants to be normal with all that going for you?
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Post by terfly4fun on Feb 1, 2015 16:59:31 GMT -5
You forgot the Williston bloodline, and the Gates bloodline. how about the Builderburgers?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 1, 2015 16:59:49 GMT -5
13 Illuminaties bloodlines. Is Illuninati REAL?The Astor bloodline. The Bundy bloodline. The Collins bloodline. The Dupont bloodline. The Freeman bloodline. The Kennedy bloodline. The Li bloodline. The Onassis bloodline. The Reynolds bloodline. The Rockafella bloodline. The Rothschilds bloodline. The Russell bloodline. The Van Duyn bloodline. hubpages.com/hub/The-13-Family-Bloodlines-of-the-Illuminati-Is-the-Illuminati-Real "The 13 Family Bloodlines of the Illuminati: Is the Illuminati Real?" By Kitty Who is this "Kitty" who knows all of this to be "true?"
Kitty (kittythedreamer),
The dreamer, folks! The "dreamer!"
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 1, 2015 17:06:27 GMT -5
13 Illuminaties bloodlines. Is Illuninati REAL?The Astor bloodline. The Bundy bloodline. The Collins bloodline. The Dupont bloodline. The Freeman bloodline. The Kennedy bloodline. The Li bloodline. The Onassis bloodline. The Reynolds bloodline. The Rockafella bloodline. The Rothschilds bloodline. The Russell bloodline. The Van Duyn bloodline. hubpages.com/hub/The-13-Family-Bloodlines-of-the-Illuminati-Is-the-Illuminati-Real "The 13 Family Bloodlines of the Illuminati: Is the Illuminati Real?" By Kitty Who is this "Kitty" who knows all of this to be "true?"
Kitty (kittythedreamer),
The dreamer, folks! The "dreamer!"
I think he's confused Kitty with Kitty Kelley, author of "THE FAMILY - The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty". A very good read, in the right hands.
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