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Post by snow on Feb 1, 2015 16:50:05 GMT -5
Do you think God wants fellowship with people who never believed or even hated Him? Sure why wouldn't he? How else can you change someone's mind if you don't first show them what you have to offer?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 1, 2015 17:12:23 GMT -5
What happens if they are all atheists and hate even what they think is of God? See, that is your problem.
You won't accept the definition of the meaning of "atheist."
How could atheists "hate" something that they don't believe even exists?
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Post by snow on Feb 1, 2015 17:51:18 GMT -5
What happens if they are all atheists and hate even what they think is of God? See, that is your problem.
You won't accept the definition of the meaning of "atheist."
How could atheists "hate" something that they don't believe even exists?
Well I hate unicorns. They are PINK and have that stupid horn in the middle of their forehead. Like a cross between a flamingo and a rhino ... Seriously though, I'm beginning to think that theists just cannot grasp the concept of an atheist. But really all they have to do is not believe in a pink unicorn and they've at least got the concept. How can you hate something you don't believe exists? ps. I don't really hate pink unicorns... I can hate how people who believe in God act sometimes and the rhetoric that makes them believe in things that make them do that though. Maybe that's where they get hung up? An example of that is the way ISIS is acting at the moment based on their belief system.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 1, 2015 19:53:07 GMT -5
See, that is your problem.
You won't accept the definition of the meaning of "atheist."
How could atheists "hate" something that they don't believe even exists?
Well I hate unicorns. They are PINK and have that stupid horn in the middle of their forehead. Like a cross between a flamingo and a rhino ... Seriously though, I'm beginning to think that theists just cannot grasp the concept of an atheist. But really all they have to do is not believe in a pink unicorn and they've at least got the concept. How can you hate something you don't believe exists? ps. I don't really hate pink unicorns...I can hate how people who believe in God act sometimes and the rhetoric that makes them believe in things that make them do that though. Maybe that's where they get hung up? An example of that is the way ISIS is acting at the moment based on their belief system. Ooh, I am so glad that you were only joking! I think that they are rather cute!
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Post by slowtosee on Feb 1, 2015 20:28:14 GMT -5
We read a lot about all those "bad" fanatics out there that are causing global suffering. I think many of us are somewhat ignorant of the "fanaticism" that WE are a part of , and don't even realize it. It concerns our attitude towards genetically modified food, and "the voices of science are being drowned out by voices of fear and paranoia". Rob Saik speaks about it in the video link. It is thought provoking, and we might be surprised at our own participation in our fanaticism, which ultimately affects billions of poor people around the world. Alvin www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvFD6DRn0Cg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop "Fanaticism is causing global suffering" Are you adding to the poor people's suffering?
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Post by xna on Feb 1, 2015 21:50:53 GMT -5
We read a lot about all those "bad" fanatics out there that are causing global suffering. I think many of us are somewhat ignorant of the "fanaticism" that WE are a part of , and don't even realize it. It concerns our attitude towards genetically modified food, and "the voices of science are being drowned out by voices of fear and paranoia". Rob Saik speaks about it in the video link. It is thought provoking, and we might be surprised at our own participation in our fanaticism, which ultimately affects billions of poor people around the world. Alvin www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvFD6DRn0Cg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop "Fanaticism is causing global suffering" Are you adding to the poor people's suffering? Some thoughts: Thanks for the link. Before I looked into GMO & transgenic's I was against man messing with nature. Today I can't think of anything living that has not undergone gene modification. It was nice to see that the Pope endorsed golden rice. If all the world had access free birth control it would do the most to solve global suffering. We would all be better off if we ate less meat, and more vegestables. If you look at food conversion rates; insects are the best, then chicken, pigs, cows. I like my insects ground up beyond all recognition before eating. I learned a lot about GMO from this podcast EPISODE 29 - Dr. Kevin M. Folta (note explicit tag)
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Post by What Hat on Feb 1, 2015 22:21:28 GMT -5
Bert, the way these verses read to me, if you don't physically alleviate the plight of the poor, you'll endure everlasting fire.
Matthew 25:41-43
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
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Post by What Hat on Feb 1, 2015 22:25:15 GMT -5
Do you think God wants fellowship with people who never believed or even hated Him? Sure why wouldn't he? How else can you change someone's mind if you don't first show them what you have to offer? He sacrificed his son for all mankind.
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Post by Lee on Feb 2, 2015 1:28:22 GMT -5
Sure why wouldn't he? How else can you change someone's mind if you don't first show them what you have to offer? He sacrificed his son for all mankind. Nope. Some of mankind have been unregenerate sinners. These personalities do not carry forward.
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Post by What Hat on Feb 2, 2015 7:41:52 GMT -5
He sacrificed his son for all mankind. Nope. Some of mankind have been unregenerate sinners. These personalities do not carry forward. Just quoting the Bible.
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Post by Lee on Feb 2, 2015 23:27:59 GMT -5
Incompletely
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 3, 2015 0:07:37 GMT -5
I'm sure that YOU, lee, can quote it more "completely?"
Would you please give us all benefit from your erudition?
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Post by Lee on Feb 4, 2015 0:13:05 GMT -5
And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 4, 2015 1:11:35 GMT -5
And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. What does 2 Thessalonians 3:2 "And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith,"have anything to do with what What Hat said:
"He sacrificed his son for all mankind."
You answered: " Nope. Some of mankind have been unregenerate sinners."
Are you in direct contact with "GOD" and you two hash over such decisions?
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I have no idea what you mean by your statement, "These personalities do not carry forward." ??
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Post by Lee on Feb 4, 2015 2:04:03 GMT -5
It means there's a man that's dying and there's a man that's living inside of every one of us. Some people's personalities appear to be wholly given to the personality of the dying man.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 4, 2015 2:15:00 GMT -5
It means there's a man that's dying and there's a man that's living inside of every one of us. Some people's personalities appear to be wholly given to the personality of the dying man. I have no idea what you are talking about! ??
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Post by Lee on Feb 4, 2015 22:40:03 GMT -5
Of course. You don't entertain any form of a resurrection.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 5, 2015 0:05:57 GMT -5
Of course. You don't entertain any form of a resurrection. Still makes no sense to me.We all are living & dying at the same time. What does, "Some people's personalities appear to be wholly given to the personality of the dying man." have to do with resurrection?
Why do you speak in such vague terms?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 1:30:00 GMT -5
Some people use "vague terms" to sound intellectual without having to defend their views.
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Post by Greg on Feb 5, 2015 6:33:05 GMT -5
Some people use "vague terms" to sound intellectual without having to defend their views. I suppose one could also contend "Some people use "vague terms" to sound spiritual without having to defend their views."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 6:44:33 GMT -5
Agreed. I cop it from both sides of this debate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 8:28:54 GMT -5
Some times a Copt out can be useful, it enables one to live to fight another day. Politicians use it all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 8:35:20 GMT -5
What happens if they are all atheists and hate even what they think is of God? See, that is your problem.
You won't accept the definition of the meaning of "atheist."
How could atheists "hate" something that they don't believe even exists?
Ah, but that does not stop them hating the very thought/suggestion of it, does it?
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Post by snow on Feb 5, 2015 11:20:31 GMT -5
See, that is your problem.
You won't accept the definition of the meaning of "atheist."
How could atheists "hate" something that they don't believe even exists?
Ah, but that does not stop them hating the very thought/suggestion of it, does it? I think it would be more accurate to say they hate the fallout that can come from beliefs in the various Gods. Not the God itself because it's pretty hard to hate something you don't believe exists. I do hate seeing some of the stuff that happens because of beliefs in Gods though.
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Post by slowtosee on Feb 5, 2015 11:30:30 GMT -5
Some atheists are definitely anti-theist, but most would be non-theist, from my limited observations. Alvin
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Post by snow on Feb 5, 2015 12:08:04 GMT -5
Some atheists are definitely anti-theist, but most would be non-theist, from my limited observations. Alvin There is a difference between being anti theist and christianphobia though. One hates Christians and the other hates what religious beliefs (not just Christian) do to individuals and the people around them. There is quite a difference actually. It's like hating a person, or hating what the person does and not hating the person themself. I would say that I am antitheist in the sense that I see what some of the religious beliefs around the world can do. The extreme obvious ones at the moment is ISIS, but also those in the past of any religion that held absolute power over a group of people. I am not saying it's just a religious attribute, but at the moment I am explaining why I am anti theist so I am zeroing in on religious beliefs that are harmful.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 5, 2015 18:32:33 GMT -5
See, that is your problem.
You won't accept the definition of the meaning of "atheist."
How could atheists "hate" something that they don't believe even exists?
Ah, but that does not stop them hating the very thought/suggestion of it, does it? Atheists can be anti-theistic, which is an active opposition to theism (a belief in a god,) or an opposition to organized religion but that doesn't mean it is "hating" in the sense of being violent.
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