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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 24, 2015 2:15:46 GMT -5
Without sounding like Mr Review who answered questions with a question I would like to ask you why you think western style democracy is suitable for these mid east countries? Mid east countries are different to us in many ways, religion for a starter which is just not muslim but also Assyrian Christian, Coptic and a few others. Then there is the lack of democracy and a seeming aversion to it. Women too seem to get a raw deal there. I could think of others but I've got to go and stop my chooks fighting.
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Post by fixit on Nov 24, 2015 2:37:07 GMT -5
Without sounding like Mr Review who answered questions with a question I would like to ask you why you think western style democracy is suitable for these mid east countries? Mid east countries are different to us in many ways, religion for a starter which is just not muslim but also Assyrian Christian, Coptic and a few others. Then there is the lack of democracy and a seeming aversion to it. Women too seem to get a raw deal there. I could think of others but I've got to go and stop my chooks fighting. The natural order is rule by the bullies.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 24, 2015 3:34:44 GMT -5
You are quite right but one bully is perhaps better than many bullies and chaos. I'm still eager to hear where the USA has been waging war to remove a bully and the effort has resulted in a peaceful democratic country.
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Post by fixit on Nov 24, 2015 4:39:45 GMT -5
You are quite right but one bully is perhaps better than many bullies and chaos. I'm still eager to hear where the USA has been waging war to remove a bully and the effort has resulted in a peaceful democratic country. Germany, Japan.
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Post by fixit on Nov 24, 2015 4:42:08 GMT -5
You are quite right but one bully is perhaps better than many bullies and chaos. I'm still eager to hear where the USA has been waging war to remove a bully and the effort has resulted in a peaceful democratic country. When western countries support a dictator they're condemned for it. Yet the same people have no problem with Russia supporting Assad.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 24, 2015 11:59:49 GMT -5
You are quite right but one bully is perhaps better than many bullies and chaos. I'm still eager to hear where the USA has been waging war to remove a bully and the effort has resulted in a peaceful democratic country. Germany, Japan. My original question specified since the Korean war, The two you mention, the USA played a significant role but it was in conjunction with other western countries. In both cases Germany and Japan were the aggressor and were wanting to acquire space and assets for themselves.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 24, 2015 12:01:57 GMT -5
You are quite right but one bully is perhaps better than many bullies and chaos. I'm still eager to hear where the USA has been waging war to remove a bully and the effort has resulted in a peaceful democratic country. When western countries support a dictator they're condemned for it. Yet the same people have no problem with Russia supporting Assad. Putin may well be right and Assad is probably the one to back. Once he has a stranglehold on Syria then normality (middle eastern style) may return.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 24, 2015 12:06:25 GMT -5
To complicate matters further may I suggest that if Germany had not attacked Russia in WW2 and the war had solely been between Western Europe and Germany then the outcome may have been different. However that is not what happened as we all know and Germany did attack Russia. The war then became a battle principally between Germany and Russia and what was happening elsewhere was a sideshow. Look at the amount of men and materials devoted to both theatres of war and you will get what I mean.
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Post by fixit on Nov 24, 2015 13:07:46 GMT -5
When western countries support a dictator they're condemned for it. Yet the same people have no problem with Russia supporting Assad. Putin may well be right and Assad is probably the one to back. Once he has a stranglehold on Syria then normality (middle eastern style) may return. You seem quite racist. "Democracy is good for us Westerners, but Middle Easterners need a dictator to give them stability through putting them in a stranglehold".
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 24, 2015 17:46:54 GMT -5
I think I am more of a realist, it is unfortunate that is the case in the middle east but so be it.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 24, 2015 18:03:52 GMT -5
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Post by Gene on Nov 24, 2015 20:44:31 GMT -5
Putin may well be right and Assad is probably the one to back. Once he has a stranglehold on Syria then normality (middle eastern style) may return. You seem quite racist. "Democracy is good for us Westerners, but Middle Easterners need a dictator to give them stability through putting them in a stranglehold". I didn't read it as racism or as saying that a stranglehold by a dictator was a good thing. Rather, a strangle hold by a dictator seems a better option than the other options currently on the table -- democracy not being one of them. Democracy introduced, imposed and enforced by Western powers is no democracy. It's predatory capitalism in sheep's clothing.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 25, 2015 0:36:33 GMT -5
The Western World has installed dictators of its choice over the years. This has happened in what was then South Vietnam, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia to name some of them. This has always been because of the resources these countries have and the USA wants, preferably for free.
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2015 1:21:03 GMT -5
The Western World has installed dictators of its choice over the years. This has happened in what was then South Vietnam, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia to name some of them. This has always been because of the resources these countries have and the USA wants, preferably for free. Say it enough, you might actually come to believe it!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 25, 2015 2:03:58 GMT -5
Have you got your head in the sand up there?
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Post by joanna on Nov 25, 2015 2:29:11 GMT -5
Ayaan Hirsi Ali also refers to the action of putting a head in the sand but she directs this comment to those who play the blame the west game:
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 25, 2015 4:24:04 GMT -5
Have you got your head in the sand up there? Sounds that way , doesn't it? That or someone hasn't studied history very much.
That is not good, because as often stated, if one doesn't know the history, they are very apt to repeat it.
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2015 5:06:32 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2015 15:38:18 GMT -5
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