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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Dec 20, 2014 19:14:10 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 20, 2014 19:28:36 GMT -5
I know. But the fact that they are not secret is solely because of the prosecutor who was stupid enough that he thought he could explain the jury's proceedings to the public. Problem is, when you're stupid enough not to know the rules about your own job, then you're stupid enough to think you can convince someone that you did the right thing. Only the people who are just as stupid as him don't recognize how absolutely incompetent the whole matter was. If you're handed the privilege of deciding without having to answer for your decision, you had better shut your mouth about your decision because sooner or later you'll end up condemning yourself rather than pleasing the crowds. The witnesses he named should be suing him for naming them -- except that they would have the bigger problem of explaining why there is so much discrepancy between what the prosecutor said about them and what everyone else knows about them. The prosecutor even claimed to have cooperated with the federal authorities, and they were outraged because he never cooperated with them. He did nothing but embarrass them by naming them as supporting him. Problem now is, none of the jurors dare tell what they know about the proceedings, because the prosecutor can prosecute them for even mentioning it because for them to say anything is a crime in itself.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Dec 20, 2014 19:33:00 GMT -5
If the Ferguson Grand Jury's method and decision was wrong why doesn't Holder ask for another one?
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 20, 2014 19:37:11 GMT -5
I'm not really adamantly contesting, you have opinions, honestabe has opinions, the black men in the videos I've linked have opinions, and I have opinions. I do find what black people say about racism on social media way more interesting than the status quo stuff we see in the main stream media. Yes, everyone as a right to hold an opinion.
However, whether those opinions carry much weight should be based on reality, -based on known facts.
Are oblivious to a lot of what was actually said by Derrick Grayson, the black man in the video?
Did you notice where Grayson was going? To speak at a "TEA PARTY" group!
Do you think that the Tea Party would have him speak at their meetings if he actually held views that were different than theirs?
What people have to say on social media may be interesting, however, they speak as individuals. How much can you depend on individual statements?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Dec 20, 2014 19:41:12 GMT -5
What about videos by the other two black men?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 20, 2014 19:42:36 GMT -5
If the Ferguson Grand Jury's method and decision was wrong why doesn't Holder ask for another one? How do you know Holder is finished with him?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Dec 20, 2014 19:44:54 GMT -5
I don't, do you?
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 20, 2014 19:46:22 GMT -5
What about videos by the other two black men? One Tea Party video was enough for me
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Dec 20, 2014 19:47:55 GMT -5
What about videos by the other two black men? One Tea Party video was enough for me The other two don't mention tea party - besides what's wrong with the tea party? Tea parties are in our genes.
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Post by fred on Dec 21, 2014 0:19:09 GMT -5
To my little mind and my limited grey cells that is a completely stupid comment. [re: cops and isis] Did I say something about cops and isis??? No you didn't, and I didn't think for one moment that the pic was your opinion, you old devil.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 21, 2014 0:33:07 GMT -5
Did I say something about cops and isis??? No you didn't, and I didn't think for one moment that the pic was your opinion, you old devil. I'll take the hat, though.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 21, 2014 18:56:56 GMT -5
You're becoming circular now. So let's get off on MY tangent. Knowing you've been discriminated against because of race is evident by the doors of opportunity that are slammed in your face for "fake" reasons. Knowing you're discriminated against is when all the soccer team members who aren't invited to the victory parties are the same race. Knowing me, they asked me what to do. The next year they all refused to play, and the school never won a game. And you know what the complaint was in the teachers' room: Those f... ....s, they will cheat you every time they get a chance -- ungrateful good for nothings. And not a single one of them had the guts to acknowledge that they'd not even invited the ....s to celebrate with them. After all, it's "our" (white) school and we know it. You want to send your black kid to a school like that? That's a poor argument. You know the "I" know it wasn't. The freedom that the Civil War and Emancipation Proclamation gave the blacks lasted for about 10 years -- just long enough to "the people" to design barriers to franchisement that did not mention color. And they succeeded in separating the blacks from the whites with the magical expression "separate but equal". You think the blacks believed that BS explanation. Then came the Civil Rights Movement aimed at getting rid of the then obvious (and embarrassing) (un)equal separations, and the whites complained grievously for about 10 years. But by then they had discovered ways to secretly and/or tacitly discriminate that would not offend the laws against the overt practices of pre-Civil Rights Movements. Which means that today the style of racial discrimination is far more sophisticated and defensible than ever before. Which also means, white people can be totally and absolutely ignorant of it all if they don't INVESTIGATE FOR THEMSELVES. All a white person needs now is the "token black friend" and he thinks he's not a racist. I have no idea if that's you or not -- I'm just telling you how the rest of the world turns. Come on -- you know when they want to sell you something, they make sure you know they're there. With blacks and white teenagers (and other people who can't afford anything they're looking at) they hover just out of reach ... from the time they enter the store until they leave. Successful blacks know exactly what I'm talking about. Oprah Winfrey, of all people, when she asked about a thousand dollar watch on sale, was just told, "Oh, you don't have enough money to buy that." Obviously didn't watch afternoon TV or read the newspapers. The new elevator operator in the US Supreme Court, when Thurgood Marshall attempted to step into the elevator, asked him if he had been authorized to go to the justices offices. Don't worry, there is always a successful black person who meets the white person who doesn't know who he is. Do you think Thurgood Marshall was asked that question because he didn't have his judge's robes on? That's a weak defense. I'm not talking about how they catch white people shoplifting. I'm talking about how they treat suspect individuals when someone is available to watch them. Didn't you know that black people have such slick moves and so much experience at shoplifting that the cameras don't catch it all? It didn't inhibit her progress -- she went home to Canada when her vacation was over. !!!!! You know I didn't say that. It's more subtle than that. Best example: Why on earth does the prosecutor have to option to "try" someone in secret or in public? No one has ever explained in because it only serves one purpose, if he doesn't want to prosecute someone for any reason he will take them to the grand jury and interpret their advice however he wants and there is no recourse ... whatsoever. The prosecutor is not bound to take the grand juror's advice, and it is a crime for a grand juror to say a single word about anything that happens in the grand jury. Is that a national mandate? Yes. Is it a national racial mandate? No. A grand jury is something like the bank manager giving the teller the option of locking the safe at the end of the day, or leaving it open ... for some reason, naturally. I know. You can't get off with this kind of discrimination on a large scale because the equal employment opportunity people will investigate you, and who wants the publicity. Why is there such a fetish for being your own employer in this country? And I have just explained why there's such a thing as affirmative action. And why it didn't start until some time after the Civil Rights Bills were passed. For some reason, some politicians understand that the larger and more comfortable the middle class, the healthier the economy. Some racists actually do understand that -- so if they can keep the black people spending money, more of the money will end up in the right bank accounts eventually anyway. If you need to tolerate them for now, it's okay, because by the time that you've destroyed the whole country with your greed you won't be around to have to solve the problem anyway. The objective of racism is to keep others poor and powerless. Well, I admire the thoroughness of your responses, even though I disagree with a fair amount of your opinion on this. I was at a busy mall yesterday and instead of not paying any attention (like pretty much everyone around here does - very few people are not over the race issue), I decided to take notice of what race people were. Had to be close to 50% non-white, all bustling around shopping in peace. I trust that your Oprah/Thurgood examples are better than the Michelle Obama example that she retroactively decided to claim as racist to fit her narrative. That's a real hoot. Meanwhile, 2 cops got murdered in Brooklyn, motivated by recent racial tensions. Kind of ironic that it would happen in NYC where cops on 9/11 were among those who did the most heroic act they could be asked to do, in running into burning, collapsing buildings to save citizens. How soon we forget. This is what happens when the media stirs up a fire storm. Normal people that take offense protest in peace (fine), the violent people riot and loot, and the absolutely crazy people go and do this. But you're right, cops are much more an enemy than ISIS. If my child wanders off and gets lost, I'd rather have ISIS find him than a policeman. You are just SO predictable.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Dec 22, 2014 9:59:24 GMT -5
You are just SO predictable. So is this; He does have a brown nose, doesn't he? Which is why Charles Patrick put up this video. (Salty language warning);
For reference here is the video Charles put on facebook - the one with a million shares;
In other news this morning; Grades, Finals and Protests:Colleges consider how flexible to be with students protesting killings of unarmed black men. www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/12/17/colleges-consider-how-flexible-be-students-protesting-killings-unarmed-black-menAmazing that at a college in the 21st century students don't have a clue how to do objective critical thinking, that actions and choices have consequences, and that the consequences cannot be chosen. They don't even know root cause analysis at the kindergarten level!
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 22, 2014 15:04:53 GMT -5
One Tea Party video was enough for me The other two don't mention tea party - besides what's wrong with the tea party? Tea parties are in our genes. Nothing wrong with "tea parties," Jesse, only the ones like in Alice in Wonderland where everything is nonsense!
(Kinda' like the present day Tea Party)
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 22, 2014 18:09:49 GMT -5
You are just SO predictable. Zing. You win. But you haven't lost --- yet.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Dec 23, 2014 7:59:54 GMT -5
The other two don't mention tea party - besides what's wrong with the tea party? Tea parties are in our genes. Nothing wrong with "tea parties," Jesse, only the ones like in Alice in Wonderland where everything is nonsense!
(Kinda' like the present day Tea Party)
Well we have a difference of opinion, imagine that! I'm way more concerned about the kind of nonsense in this article. For anyone who has any doubts Khadijah is not a Tea Party Patriot.
www.truthrevolt.org/news/student-leader-resigns-after-stating-she-has-no-sympathy-murdered-cops
As always I find the comments as interesting as the article.
Here's an interesting video on the Garner incident;
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 23, 2014 16:12:22 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with "tea parties," Jesse, only the ones like in Alice in Wonderland where everything is nonsense!
(Kinda' like the present day Tea Party)
Well we have a difference of opinion, imagine that! I'm way more concerned about the kind of nonsense in this article. For anyone who has any doubts Khadijah is not a Tea Party Patriot.
I was commenting on the Derrick Grayson video you showed, Jesse..
He states right at the beginning that he is on his way to speak at a meeting of the New York Tea Party.
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