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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 23, 2014 12:24:39 GMT -5
When the professing young men registered for conscientious objector status in the military in WW1...What church name did they use ? To readers in Australia: Were any of your fathers or relatives in the military in WW1 or WW2? How did they complete the form requesting conscientious objector status? Any information about registering as a CO in the military in Australia will be appreciated I know that AFTER WWI ended, on April 20, 1928, Willie Hughes, Overseer of South Australia, on letterhead of "The United Christian Conventions of Australasia and New Zealand, certified that a particular worker "is an ordained minister of the Gospel labouring in fellowship with a body of Christians assuming this name only." However, this letter wasn't written for military purposes. View copy of letter in TTT Photo Gallery: www.tellingthetruth.info/plogger/index.php?level=picture&id=1707
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 13:27:38 GMT -5
i had a cousin use conscientious objector status during WWI and he was "accidently" killed for it dont know what name he used for the church though....
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 23, 2014 20:34:38 GMT -5
I just happened across this in Margaret Vogt's testimony:
...they adopted the name CAA (Christian Assemblies of Australia) in the second World War in order to get petrol coupons, etc.
I still would like to know what name they used for the first World War.
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Post by Persona non grata on Nov 24, 2014 3:12:31 GMT -5
When the professing young men registered for conscientious objector status in the military in WW1...What church name did they use ? To readers in Australia: Were any of your fathers or relatives in the military in WW1 or WW2? How did they complete the form requesting conscientious objector status? Any information about registering as a CO in the military in Australia will be appreciated I know that AFTER WWI ended, on April 20, 1928, Willie Hughes, Overseer of South Australia, on letterhead of "The United Christian Conventions of Australasia and New Zealand, certified that a particular worker "is an ordained minister of the Gospel labouring in fellowship with a body of Christians assuming this name only." However, this letter wasn't written for military purposes. View copy of letter in TTT Photo Gallery: www.tellingthetruth.info/plogger/index.php?level=picture&id=1707
In WW1 the name "The Testimony of Jesus" was used. In WW2 it was more common to use variations of the name "Christian Assemblies".
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Post by Persona non grata on Nov 24, 2014 4:12:16 GMT -5
A New Zealand newspaper article from WW1:
Marlborough Express, 10 January 1917
TESTIMONY OF JESUS
MEMBER OF SOCIETY APPLIES FOR EXEMPTION. WILL DO NO MILITARY WORK APPEAL DISMISSED
At the sitting of the Canterbury Military Service Board at Ashburton on Monday, Mr J. S. Evans, S.M. (chairman), presiding, Robert Clayton Patton, - described as a contractor, of Mount Somers, appealed for exemption from military service on the grounds that he was a member of the Testimony of Jesus and had conscientious objections to service. The chairman: Is the Testimony of Jesus a religious body? I never heard of it. Appellant: It is what I base my faith on. Mr Evans: Give the Board some idea of the constitution. Have you any churches? Appellant: We make our own body. We are taught not to carry arms to destroy our brother-men. The chairman: Is the Testimony of Jesus recognised by the State as a religious body? Can you have the marriage ceremony performed? Appellant admitted that the body to which he belonged had no legal standing to perform the marriage ceremony. There was no governing body except Jesus. Mr Evans: This is all very vague. Can't you give more explanation? Appellant said he had a friend who would supply information. Ernest Holham said he was a preacher of the denomination of the Testimony of Jesus. The chairman: Explain your establishment and constitution please. Witness: I have known the faith of the Testimony of Jesus for seven years. My first experience of it was in Victoria. I was a Methodist previously. I found the teachings of the Testimony of Jesus denomination agreed with my conscience. For five years I have taught the principles myself and have a number of converts. Mr Evans: This is no testimony. Witness replied that the Testimony of Jesus was recognised at Home by the War Office. The body had no definite written creed. The chairman: What do you suggest would happen if everybody were of your Way of thinking? Witness: Our business is to obey the dictates of conscience. Mr Evans: That is all very well, but you are protected by people of other ways of thinking. You are prepared, then, to abandon women and children to the Germans. You are not prepared to do anything to help them? Witness: Yes, I am; anything that I consider is in keeping with my conscience. I have contributed- The chairman: All you do in contributing is to keep out of the danger line yourself. Would your denomination sanction you standing by while women were being raped by the Huns? Witness: I would do my best to stop such a proceeding, but would not sanction the killing of the offender. The chairman (to the appellant Patton): Are you prepared to undertake other military service than fighting? Appellant: I will do no service under the military authorities, at all. In reply to Mr Evans, Holham said he was not paid for preaching. He was paid, however, in voluntary contributions. The chairman asked the appellant Patton if he would sign a document (handed to him) undertaking military service other than fighting. Appellant replied, emphatically that he would not sign nor would he serve. The chairman: Very well; your appeal is dismissed.
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Post by Persona non grata on Nov 24, 2014 4:15:15 GMT -5
A couple more NZ newspaper articles from WW1:
Maoriland Worker, 20 June 1917
FROM THE YEAR ONE.
A Christian evangelist down South, named William Pickering, scored a hit off a chairman of a Military Appeal Board. He claimed exemption on religious grounds—that he belonged to the order of "Testimony of Jesus." "How long has your order been in existence," said the chairman. And the answer flabbergasted the military man. "Since the year 1," said the appellant. Needless to add, a Christian belonging to so ancient an order received no permission to escape fighting.
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New Zealand Herald, 4 August 1917
"TESTIMONY OF JESUS."
MEMBERS REQUIRED TO SERVE. P.A. WELLINGTON, Friday. A statement was made to-day by the chairman of the Military Service Board that careful consideration had been 'given to the appeals by members of "The Testimony of Jesus," and the board's conclusion was that appellants did not come under the provisions of section 18 of the Act. The appeals would be dismissed, and if appellants agreed to sign the declaration provided, the board would recommend them for non-combatant service.
It was intimated that, the appellants would sign the declaration.
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