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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 17:17:11 GMT -5
Hello everyone, Have been contemplating writing this tread for a while. After talking with others I think the truth of the power of wealth needs to be brought out into the open.
Last summer before one of the conventions I grew up going to and most of my family still goes to, I call the chief of police of the town and let her know that men that were on the national sex offender list had been allowed to go to convention on these grounds after they had served there time but were still on restrictions about being around children under 16. I gave her the name of the overseer and the ground owner and ask if she could kindly have a chat with them about their responsibility to all the children that go to convention there. She was very pleasant and shared my concerns. I have heard from family members that this visit took place and the offenders that for years where allowed on the ground were finally no longer allowed. I told no one of my involvement in making this call until after convention this year.
When convention season rolled around this year I decided to call the chief of police in the town of the other convention I grew up going to and in which a sex offender who were kicked out of the work in the 70's, has been allowed to go to convention up until his latest offense in 2011. Not only was he allowed, but so were two other ex workers who have and currently are serving time for CSA. The response from the local police department was very different. The officer I spoke to told me the owners of the grounds have a lot of CLOT in town and the chief did not feel comfortable going to the land owners. I told him I found that appalling and was considering going to the media about his chief caring more about politics then children. He also told me that the police in town were aware of problems on the ground a few years ago but were told by the owners that things would be taken care of with in the church. The chief of police of the town would not talk to me. I gave the the names of all the players and gave them the WINGS and TMB websites to verify what I told them. I also know that the friends in that area are very involved in every committee in the town just because of convention. The owners of theses grownds are very wealthy and have a very large business in town.
So my question to all of you is: Should the money of a convention owner prevent the law enforcement of that town from doing their job? Should I go to the media about the police chief and the power of these convention owners?
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Oct 30, 2014 17:38:42 GMT -5
Hi Marie yes go to the media as any chief of police who allows wealth to blur his vision of CSA needs reporting
also anybody who thinks they are above the law because they are wealthy need to be dragged from the closet
if someone thinks because they are a 2x2 they can side step the law or would even attempt to is not a true upholder of God's Standard and way.
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Post by snow on Oct 30, 2014 17:52:16 GMT -5
Maria, are police chiefs elected into their position in the States? If they are he is likely scared of getting booted and not re-elected if that family has the means to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 18:04:36 GMT -5
No, they are not elected. They are hired by the local police commission which is made up of local people. So I and sure he does not want to be on the wrong side of these folks. Why would professing friends have put such fear in a local chief? That does not sound too kind and Godly to me!!!
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Post by snow on Oct 30, 2014 18:29:24 GMT -5
No, they are not elected. They are hired by the local police commission which is made up of local people. So I and sure he does not want to be on the wrong side of these folks. Why would professing friends have put such fear in a local chief? That does not sound too kind and Godly to me!!! I see. So I guess he has the potential of losing his job if he upsets the wrong people? No, it that's what's happening, it sure doesn't sound very kind.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 30, 2014 19:23:33 GMT -5
Marie Money talks. This reminds me of a pastor I knew who incested his children and grandchildren got off lightly because he was a JP.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 30, 2014 19:47:59 GMT -5
Hello everyone, Have been contemplating writing this tread for a while. After talking with others I think the truth of the power of wealth needs to be brought out into the open. Last summer before one of the conventions I grew up going to and most of my family still goes to, I call the chief of police of the town and let her know that men that were on the national sex offender list had been allowed to go to convention on these grounds after they had served there time but were still on restrictions about being around children under 16. I gave her the name of the overseer and the ground owner and ask if she could kindly have a chat with them about their responsibility to all the children that go to convention there. She was very pleasant and shared my concerns. I have heard from family members that this visit took place and the offenders that for years where allowed on the ground were finally no longer allowed. I told no one of my involvement in making this call until after convention this year. When convention season rolled around this year I decided to call the chief of police in the town of the other convention I grew up going to and in which a sex offender who were kicked out of the work in the 70's, has been allowed to go to convention up until his latest offense in 2011. Not only was he allowed, but so were two other ex workers who have and currently are serving time for CSA. The response from the local police department was very different. The officer I spoke to told me the owners of the grounds have a lot of CLOT in town and the chief did not feel comfortable going to the land owners. I told him I found that appalling and was considering going to the media about his chief caring more about politics then children. He also told me that the police in town were aware of problems on the ground a few years ago but were told by the owners that things would be taken care of with in the church. The chief of police of the town would not talk to me. I gave the the names of all the players and gave them the WINGS and TMB websites to verify what I told them. I also know that the friends in that area are very involved in every committee in the town just because of convention. The owners of theses grownds are very wealthy and have a very large business in town. So my question to all of you is: Should the money of a convention owner prevent the law enforcement of that town from doing their job? Should I go to the media about the police chief and the power of these convention owners? I would say report the situation to the media. At this point the police department deserves the publicity at least as badly as anyone on the convention grounds. You put the ball in their court, and now they are the ones who are shirking their duty. Workers have a tendency a lot of the time to think that such trouble that turns on them is just a peculiarity of a given place rather than the law of the land.
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Post by applesandbacon on Oct 30, 2014 20:06:22 GMT -5
Hello everyone, Have been contemplating writing this tread for a while. After talking with others I think the truth of the power of wealth needs to be brought out into the open. Last summer before one of the conventions I grew up going to and most of my family still goes to, I call the chief of police of the town and let her know that men that were on the national sex offender list had been allowed to go to convention on these grounds after they had served there time but were still on restrictions about being around children under 16. I gave her the name of the overseer and the ground owner and ask if she could kindly have a chat with them about their responsibility to all the children that go to convention there. She was very pleasant and shared my concerns. I have heard from family members that this visit took place and the offenders that for years where allowed on the ground were finally no longer allowed. I told no one of my involvement in making this call until after convention this year. When convention season rolled around this year I decided to call the chief of police in the town of the other convention I grew up going to and in which a sex offender who were kicked out of the work in the 70's, has been allowed to go to convention up until his latest offense in 2011. Not only was he allowed, but so were two other ex workers who have and currently are serving time for CSA. The response from the local police department was very different. The officer I spoke to told me the owners of the grounds have a lot of CLOT in town and the chief did not feel comfortable going to the land owners. I told him I found that appalling and was considering going to the media about his chief caring more about politics then children. He also told me that the police in town were aware of problems on the ground a few years ago but were told by the owners that things would be taken care of with in the church. The chief of police of the town would not talk to me. I gave the the names of all the players and gave them the WINGS and TMB websites to verify what I told them. I also know that the friends in that area are very involved in every committee in the town just because of convention. The owners of theses grownds are very wealthy and have a very large business in town. So my question to all of you is: Should the money of a convention owner prevent the law enforcement of that town from doing their job? Should I go to the media about the police chief and the power of these convention owners? I know the convention you are talking about, and relatives who went there this year were very uncomfortable with the number of known sex offenders running around. Good luck ever getting anything done about it... Big businesses own the government, on a local scale too.
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Post by snow on Oct 30, 2014 20:20:12 GMT -5
Hello everyone, Have been contemplating writing this tread for a while. After talking with others I think the truth of the power of wealth needs to be brought out into the open. Last summer before one of the conventions I grew up going to and most of my family still goes to, I call the chief of police of the town and let her know that men that were on the national sex offender list had been allowed to go to convention on these grounds after they had served there time but were still on restrictions about being around children under 16. I gave her the name of the overseer and the ground owner and ask if she could kindly have a chat with them about their responsibility to all the children that go to convention there. She was very pleasant and shared my concerns. I have heard from family members that this visit took place and the offenders that for years where allowed on the ground were finally no longer allowed. I told no one of my involvement in making this call until after convention this year. When convention season rolled around this year I decided to call the chief of police in the town of the other convention I grew up going to and in which a sex offender who were kicked out of the work in the 70's, has been allowed to go to convention up until his latest offense in 2011. Not only was he allowed, but so were two other ex workers who have and currently are serving time for CSA. The response from the local police department was very different. The officer I spoke to told me the owners of the grounds have a lot of CLOT in town and the chief did not feel comfortable going to the land owners. I told him I found that appalling and was considering going to the media about his chief caring more about politics then children. He also told me that the police in town were aware of problems on the ground a few years ago but were told by the owners that things would be taken care of with in the church. The chief of police of the town would not talk to me. I gave the the names of all the players and gave them the WINGS and TMB websites to verify what I told them. I also know that the friends in that area are very involved in every committee in the town just because of convention. The owners of theses grownds are very wealthy and have a very large business in town. So my question to all of you is: Should the money of a convention owner prevent the law enforcement of that town from doing their job? Should I go to the media about the police chief and the power of these convention owners? I know the convention you are talking about, and relatives who went there this year were very uncomfortable with the number of known sex offenders running around. Good luck ever getting anything done about it... Big businesses own the government, on a local scale too.
Maybe if some of the friends would band together with Maria, it would have more of an impact. Sounds like it's something that should be done and now you know someone else who can help. There is power in numbers. If enough people complain to the police department, you have a better chance of getting something done.
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Post by Gene on Oct 30, 2014 20:31:19 GMT -5
No, they are not elected. They are hired by the local police commission which is made up of local people. So I and sure he does not want to be on the wrong side of these folks. Why would professing friends have put such fear in a local chief? That does not sound too kind and Godly to me!!! Try doing a little online research to find an "investigative reporter" who has done stories on CSA in the recent past. Find out who did stories on GS in 2011 -- if that's who you're referring to -- and they might be interested.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 20:39:29 GMT -5
I would love to find the reporter who did an article on these grounds back in the 90 and ended up going to meetings for a while. I would love to know what her experience was going to meeting in this area and why she stopped going to meeting. I have tried to talk to GS reporter, he was not interested in talking. He also is in the wrong state to be interested in this story.
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Post by tom on Oct 30, 2014 21:07:24 GMT -5
Marie maybe you could try writing to the owners if the grounds( anonymously if you like) and point out that it is their moral responsibility as owners to ensure that those staying on their property are safe, that those offenders shouldnt be allowed there etc.. Maybe they leave all those decisions to others and gave not thought it through in this light. I totally agree the offenders should not be allowed on the grounds but you can't blame the conv owners for the police's reaction. There could be a number of reasons why they wont act, and the reason they gave might not be real reason. Firstly the police need sorting out. So often things are not as they first appear.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 21:31:47 GMT -5
The owners of these ground are well know to me. Others have tried to talk to them. They not only have power in town, they have power amongst the workers and friends. I am sure they, are well aware of my feelings on this issue. I have been in touch with all the workers and many of the friends in this area. These people are well connected. They are favored HIGHLY amongst the workers. They have no excuse for their behavior in allowing pedophiles on their grounds for all these years. They are related to my husband. Please STOP making excuses for friends and their lack of actions regarding CSA. THERE ARE NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!!
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Post by withlove on Oct 30, 2014 23:21:30 GMT -5
Can you say which convention this is? If the local media doesn't pick it up, at least some word here might prevent some people from traveling there with their children.
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Post by tom on Oct 30, 2014 23:26:11 GMT -5
The owners of these ground are well know to me. Others have tried to talk to them. They not only have power in town, they have power amongst the workers and friends. I am sure they, are well aware of my feelings on this issue. I have been in touch with all the workers and many of the friends in this area. These people are well connected. They are favored HIGHLY amongst the workers. They have no excuse for their behavior in allowing pedophiles on their grounds for all these years. They are related to my husband. Please STOP making excuses for friends and their lack of actions regarding CSA. THERE ARE NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!! ACTUALLY I wasnt making EXCUSES... if you read my reply I said I absolutely agreed with you. If you had put all the above info in your origin post I wouldnt have bothered to reply. It appeared you were asking for suggestions and as you are having no luck with the police I thought this may help. I asume that afterall your motive is to protect possible victims. However I still say... so often things are not as they first appear.. they can be better, worse or just different!!
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 30, 2014 23:45:08 GMT -5
Marie maybe you could try writing to the owners if the grounds( anonymously if you like) and point out that it is their moral responsibility as owners to ensure that those staying on their property are safe, that those offenders shouldnt be allowed there etc.. Maybe they leave all those decisions to others and gave not thought it through in this light. I totally agree the offenders should not be allowed on the grounds but you can't blame the conv owners for the police's reaction. There could be a number of reasons why they wont act, and the reason they gave might not be real reason. Firstly the police need sorting out. So often things are not as they first appear. My advice is, don't contact anyone connected to the whole convention thing. They already know what is wrong. The more you communicate with them now the more time they have to think of more ways to frustrate your efforts. Find someone, in this case a powerful media person, and provide him/her with full background from both conventions, as well as the names and addresses of EVERYONE who knows anything about it. They have the money and the knowhow to present it all in the proper context to the public. Don't warn people that someone will be contacting them -- they don't need time to doctor what they will say about it, and anyway, being tricked into telling the truth is good for anyone. As far as the workers are concerned, the workers actually have a greater fear of the mass media than they have of the police. As long as they cooperate with the police they usually get no bad press -- but they learn lessons real fast when a public criminal trial hits the fan. That's the only part of the game that they really can't control.
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Post by Gene on Oct 31, 2014 6:10:17 GMT -5
No, they are not elected. They are hired by the local police commission which is made up of local people. So I and sure he does not want to be on the wrong side of these folks. Why would professing friends have put such fear in a local chief? That does not sound too kind and Godly to me!!! Try doing a little online research to find an "investigative reporter" who has done stories on CSA in the recent past. Find out who did stories on GS in 2011 -- if that's who you're referring to -- and they might be interested. Hank Phillippi Ryan - 7News Boston WHDH-TV Hank Phillippi Ryan changes laws and changes lives. She's recovered millions of dollars for scammed consumers, saved dozens of homes from foreclosure, sent wrong-doers to prison and forced state officials to resign. She is widely regarded as one of the most hard-hitting, informative investigative reporters in the region, having won numerous awards for her work. Her leading-edge consumer and investigative reports, "Hank Investigates," have become not only widely acclaimed, but also viewers' favorites.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 8:02:19 GMT -5
Thanks Gene, I do think Boston is the way to go. Not to far from the grounds and with all the travel between the two states because of tax laws in favor of the state the grounds are in. I am sure it will get the attention of the locals around the grounds who have watched this family become very wealthy since moving to the area, having convention, and starting their business.
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Post by applesandbacon on Oct 31, 2014 8:07:06 GMT -5
I know the convention you are talking about, and relatives who went there this year were very uncomfortable with the number of known sex offenders running around. Good luck ever getting anything done about it... Big businesses own the government, on a local scale too.
Maybe if some of the friends would band together with Maria, it would have more of an impact. Sounds like it's something that should be done and now you know someone else who can help. There is power in numbers. If enough people complain to the police department, you have a better chance of getting something done. I personally am not that concerned with them being there. I exercise caution around everyone....you never know who is a sex offender, convicted or not. I would be very concerned though if by being in proximity to children they were violating the conditions of their release. Not sure how that all works, but if they are doing something illegal, the situation definitely warrants action.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 8:40:47 GMT -5
applesandbacon, Are they not responsible for allowing GS on the grounds for the past 35+years while they knew exactly why he was kicked out of the work. They also allowed PM to be on their grounds after he was kicked out of the work until he was sentenced for CSA. I believe this family is well aware of all the inside info the workers have on why workers have been kicked out and moved around. That is info that the unconnected do not have. Do you know how many parents with children did not know why GS had been kicked out of the work in the 70's. They had no idea until he was caught in 2011. He was allowed on those grounds and around many young people during those years. Sitting right in front of the platform with this family off to his right. Those in the known, knew to keep their children away from him. What about all the other parents, did they not have that right??? Did the owners of the grounds not have a responsibility to other people children??? Or would it only come to matter if one of their children or grandchildren were molested by a worker or friend???
Kind of like all the other changes in the past 20 years. Divorce was wrong until certain families had divorce in them. Remarriage was wrong until certain family started to remarry. Diamond engagement rings were wrong until certain families started wearing them. I think you get the picture. This family has had a lot of power and a lot of favor amongst the workers which has allowed their family member to continue going to meeting while other families over the years have been marginalizes and driven out for doing the same things.
I firmly believe that they don't get the damage CSA does, because it has not hit their doorstep. If they did, they would not be covering for the workers as they have ALL these years. They have the POWER THAT OTHERS DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO DO, MAKE THE WORKERS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTION. It is time they used that POWER for the GOOD of all the men, they come in contact with, in and out of "TRUTH".
Until friends that have power, use it to help the weak and suffering amongst us, I will continue to fight for the abused and hurting in anyway possible. I have tried to get the workers and friends to understand the effects of abuse in private to no avail. Other then to get myself and my family shunned and driven out. Granted, just my husband and our children. Not my sibling and their children. They are just as responsible as this family for not putting pressure on the workers to protect children.
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Post by faune on Oct 31, 2014 10:02:04 GMT -5
Hello everyone, Have been contemplating writing this tread for a while. After talking with others I think the truth of the power of wealth needs to be brought out into the open. Last summer before one of the conventions I grew up going to and most of my family still goes to, I call the chief of police of the town and let her know that men that were on the national sex offender list had been allowed to go to convention on these grounds after they had served there time but were still on restrictions about being around children under 16. I gave her the name of the overseer and the ground owner and ask if she could kindly have a chat with them about their responsibility to all the children that go to convention there. She was very pleasant and shared my concerns. I have heard from family members that this visit took place and the offenders that for years where allowed on the ground were finally no longer allowed. I told no one of my involvement in making this call until after convention this year. When convention season rolled around this year I decided to call the chief of police in the town of the other convention I grew up going to and in which a sex offender who were kicked out of the work in the 70's, has been allowed to go to convention up until his latest offense in 2011. Not only was he allowed, but so were two other ex workers who have and currently are serving time for CSA. The response from the local police department was very different. The officer I spoke to told me the owners of the grounds have a lot of CLOT in town and the chief did not feel comfortable going to the land owners. I told him I found that appalling and was considering going to the media about his chief caring more about politics then children. He also told me that the police in town were aware of problems on the ground a few years ago but were told by the owners that things would be taken care of with in the church. The chief of police of the town would not talk to me. I gave the the names of all the players and gave them the WINGS and TMB websites to verify what I told them. I also know that the friends in that area are very involved in every committee in the town just because of convention. The owners of theses grownds are very wealthy and have a very large business in town. So my question to all of you is: Should the money of a convention owner prevent the law enforcement of that town from doing their job? Should I go to the media about the police chief and the power of these convention owners? I know the convention you are talking about, and relatives who went there this year were very uncomfortable with the number of known sex offenders running around. Good luck ever getting anything done about it... Big businesses own the government, on a local scale too.
I'm also familiar with this convention grounds, having gone there in the past myself. However, there's still the media, unless that is controlled by the same people who exercise influence over the local police? I can also guess the man you referred to was a worker back in the 1970's and hit the newspapers up there in recent years due to getting caught approaching a teenage boy on the outside of the faith, which resulted in his conviction for CSA? It really sickens me that such people are still given meeting privileges within the faith and are not excommunicated for their immoral behavior! Also, I wonder if this same man is still an elder within his home and still has Sunday Morning meeting there? It really makes you wonder how seriously they take the warnings in scripture against such immorality amongst them, like you find in I Corinthians 5, in which Paul addressed the church for the same thing?
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%205
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Post by applesandbacon on Oct 31, 2014 10:16:11 GMT -5
Marie, I agree with you on most of your points. What I believe is that people's attitude towards the workers needs to change. If people protected themselves and held the workers accountable, CSA would be dealt with quickly and properly. Unfortunately, many of the friends believe the workers are (mostly) infalliable, and that to talk about these issues is to be a troublemaker. There will always be bad people in positions of power, and are in many churches. The difference is that in most other churches, the congregation has some power to hold leadership accountable. Unfortunately, getting GS, PM and DB ousted from the convention grounds will do little to right past wrongs, unless they are actually doing something illegal by being there. Learning from those situations to not trust the workers and friends implicitly would be a good outcome. And parents, please reconsider letting your kids run around and sleep in the bunks alone. And if you have reason to believe someone is doing something illegal, report it!
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Post by applesandbacon on Oct 31, 2014 10:19:33 GMT -5
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Post by applesandbacon on Oct 31, 2014 10:23:50 GMT -5
I can't figure out how to quote you properly. What I mean to say is, I don't believe GS is an elder and I don't believe he has meeting in his home.
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Post by snow on Oct 31, 2014 10:58:42 GMT -5
Maybe if some of the friends would band together with Maria, it would have more of an impact. Sounds like it's something that should be done and now you know someone else who can help. There is power in numbers. If enough people complain to the police department, you have a better chance of getting something done. I personally am not that concerned with them being there. I exercise caution around everyone....you never know who is a sex offender, convicted or not. I would be very concerned though if by being in proximity to children they were violating the conditions of their release. Not sure how that all works, but if they are doing something illegal, the situation definitely warrants action. If they have conditions in their parole or life conditions to stay away from children under a certain age, then they are illegally at convention. You have a great attitude towards how to handle it for yourself. You understand that the people who are likely the most dangerous to the children are those who are not known to be offenders so you have guidelines in place that handle both known offenders and unknown. That is wise imo. However, many people go to convention thinking they and their children are entirely safe. I remember being left at convention alone when I was 8 years old because my parents had to go home and do farm chores. They left me there and I was just with some young girls. They felt I was safe because of the location. I don't know if that mindset has changed a lot over the years. I think from what I have read here many still do see the convention grounds, the people etc. as a safe place for their children, where they can relax and just let them run free. So it's important to have offenders known to people so parents can at least pay attention to that. Ideally, people would have guidelines in place for all situations like you. Most do not. I think it is irresponsible and if it's a condition of parole, illegal, for the convention owners and workers to allow these offenders on the grounds, especially since no one seems to get up and make an announcement that they need to be watched out for. It is not violating the rights of these offenders that have these conditions to make sure people know and prevent them from being there.
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Post by faune on Oct 31, 2014 11:15:44 GMT -5
I can't figure out how to quote you properly. What I mean to say is, I don't believe GS is an elder and I don't believe he has meeting in his home. Applesandbacon ~ I thought I heard somebody shared that information in the past here on TMB that George S. was an elder and had meeting in his home? That's why I asked about it, as it would seem pretty strange to allow a sex offender retain such privileges after such a CSA conviction? Personally, I think they should be excommunicated from the fellowship for such a terrible offense! However, the fact that the 2x2 hierarchy still allow sex offenders from the past on convention grounds in violation of the legal guidelines in place is pretty sad! The leadership within the 2x2's seem to have their priorities totally misplaced when it comes to tolerating such blatant immoral persons within their midst! For any group claiming to be the "one an only way of salvation," they surely lack in moral scruples, IMHO.
Here's what it says about George S. on Wings for Truth with the classification of his endangerment to others. Since the Sex Offender Registry Board considered this individual as a high risk to re-offend and rates his degree of dangerousness posed to the public to be substantial, you would think the F&W's would use a little more caution here when it comes to abiding by the legal restrictions of the law for such convicted CSA offenders?
wingsfortruth.info/breaking-the-silence-2/convicted-csa-offenders/george-scandalis/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 13:11:00 GMT -5
GS had Wednesday night meeting in his home with him as the elder of that meeting until his latest tangle with the law. I went to his house for Wed. night meeting when I was in college.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 13:15:17 GMT -5
GS and his wife were also held in high regard by the workers until his latest run in with the law. The have a nice big house the workers could have their own rooms and they had plenty of money to treat the workers like KINGS and QUEENS. Those with money have always been VERY Valued by the workers in the NORTHEAST!!!
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