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Post by withlove on Oct 28, 2014 23:17:36 GMT -5
For anyone who wonders if certain things are still preached, the following are direct quotes or paraphrases from this convention season. There were plenty of things that sounded right and good. Below is a list of ideas which made me cringe inside.
We are above the laws of the land [context: we obey because it's the right thing to do, though].
When we see things wrong and we want to fix them, don't, or we are robbing God of his job. Leave it to Him.
God sees everything--not our responsibility to do anything about evil.
Problems start with complaining.
Don't complain about the way or the workers in front of your children. Only praise. [This is understandable, but it seemed within a broader context of not complaining at all to anyone].
Gospel message in a nutshell: Life is short. Don't miss heaven. [Nothing about the good news of Jesus.]
Keep your children separate from Strange Children.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 1:22:27 GMT -5
I can see all sorts of "context" issues with this list. This one especially, quote, "Gospel message in a nutshell: Life is short. Don't miss heaven. [Nothing about the good news of Jesus.]"
The "good news about Jesus" occupies every hymn, every prayer, every sermon and every testimony. The name of Jesus, either direct or in pronoun, metaphor, allegory etc. is mentioned every thirty seconds on average.
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Post by withlove on Oct 29, 2014 3:08:12 GMT -5
I can see all sorts of "context" issues with this list. This one especially, quote, "Gospel message in a nutshell: Life is short. Don't miss heaven. [Nothing about the good news of Jesus.]" The "good news about Jesus" occupies every hymn, every prayer, every sermon and every testimony. The name of Jesus, either direct or in pronoun, metaphor, allegory etc. is mentioned every thirty seconds on average.To clarify, that line about the gospel in a nutshell-- that is not me paraphrasing a gospel sermon. The worker made the nutshell comment. No doubt if asked, the speaker would say that absolutely the good story of Jesus is the gospel. But that is not at all what was said at the time, which was shocking, although it is not uncommon for the f&w to focus more on works than grace. Also, the post isn't meant to disparage anyone, or to imply that anyone had bad intentions when speaking. Just to point out some troubling (to me, anyway) messages. I have heard similar (or the same) messages for years, so they are not novel ideas. If the speakers had explained more to cancel out the troubling parts, I would not have listed them. For example, if the message about God seeing all and us not righting wrongs-- if the worker had said that there were exceptions, and that we are responsible to act sometimes-- that for me would have been a healthier, more responsible message. My hope is that the omission of that kind of exception is not intentional. Because it definitely can reinforce the "be quiet and don't rock the boat" thing, no matter how nicely it is worded. What makes it troubling is the build up of such messages over years. Hearing that God sees all and is in control is comforting. Hearing it while there are big problems in the fellowship, and in the absence of a "let's not bury our heads in the sand and ignore grievous wrongs"...and while concerned f&w are being ignored/shunned/uninvited for speaking up--- THAT is what makes it unsettling. That is the context I saw these comments in, and without having that context, no doubt other people heard the messages undisturbed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 3:12:24 GMT -5
For anyone who wonders if certain things are still preached, the following are direct quotes or paraphrases from this convention season. There were plenty of things that sounded right and good. Below is a list of ideas which made me cringe inside. Keep your children separate from Strange Children. That should have been, Keep your Strange Children seperate from Normal Children. I regret now that we also were taught to hate. Take it a step further and you've got Isis.
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Post by fixit on Oct 29, 2014 4:08:01 GMT -5
What makes it troubling is the build up of such messages over years. Hearing that God sees all and is in control is comforting. Hearing it while there are big problems in the fellowship, and in the absence of a "let's not bury our heads in the sand and ignore grievous wrongs"...and while concerned f&w are being ignored/shunned/uninvited for speaking up--- THAT is what makes it unsettling. That is the context I saw these comments in, and without having that context, no doubt other people heard the messages undisturbed. Well said. Problems reveal that man has taken control. Those who are blissfully unaware of big problems in the fellowship will hear the messages undisturbed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 4:10:15 GMT -5
Quote - "That should have been, Keep your Strange Children seperate from Normal Children. I regret now that we also were taught to hate. Take it a step further and you've got Isis."
Maybe Moses and Joshua were in ISIS when they warned about the foreigners in the land? Maybe Abraham and Sarah were ISIS members when they demonstrated grief of mind over their son marrying a Caanite?
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 29, 2014 5:37:24 GMT -5
For anyone who wonders if certain things are still preached, the following are direct quotes or paraphrases from this convention season. There were plenty of things that sounded right and good. Below is a list of ideas which made me cringe inside. Keep your children separate from Strange Children. That should have been, Keep your Strange Children seperate from Normal Children. I regret now that we also were taught to hate. Take it a step further and you've got Isis. I agree Redback we were taught to hate those that were of the "World" and not like "Us". We know who the strange ones are !
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Post by applesandbacon on Oct 29, 2014 6:15:59 GMT -5
Quote - " That should have been, Keep your Strange Children seperate from Normal Children. I regret now that we also were taught to hate. Take it a step further and you've got Isis."
Maybe Moses and Joshua were in ISIS when they warned about the foreigners in the land? Maybe Abraham and Sarah were ISIS members when they demonstrated grief of mind over their son marrying a Caanite? The old testament is full of ISIS like behavior. Your examples are some of the mildest ones.
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Post by snow on Oct 29, 2014 11:05:19 GMT -5
Quote - " That should have been, Keep your Strange Children seperate from Normal Children. I regret now that we also were taught to hate. Take it a step further and you've got Isis."
Maybe Moses and Joshua were in ISIS when they warned about the foreigners in the land? Maybe Abraham and Sarah were ISIS members when they demonstrated grief of mind over their son marrying a Caanite? Yes, from what we see written in the OT the Hebrews were not any better than modern day ISIS. They killed woman and children too. Annihilated entire tribes in God's name (except the virgins. Guess ISIS gets those in heaven so no need to save them anymore) and so if we see ISIS doing that now, which God do we see role modeling that since the beginning of the Judeo/Christian/Islamic God? I guess the question is this. If it was condoned in the OT why is it seen as so horrific now? They probably are stating that God is guiding them just like the Hebrews were. This is one of many reasons I would never worship the Christian God. Allah, Yahweh, God are all the same guy! He has been brutal in all of these religions when it comes to anyone that isn't considered 'one of his'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 11:35:52 GMT -5
Quote - " That should have been, Keep your Strange Children seperate from Normal Children. I regret now that we also were taught to hate. Take it a step further and you've got Isis."
Maybe Moses and Joshua were in ISIS when they warned about the foreigners in the land? Maybe Abraham and Sarah were ISIS members when they demonstrated grief of mind over their son marrying a Caanite? Sorry, I can't resist this one. Some folks spit up in the air and it falls back on the faces. Earlier in the thread about tithing you pointed out that tithing came under Old Testament law and presumably therefore has no validity now, so why are you making references to characters in old testament times which came under Old Testament Law and comparing them to modern time in relation to Isis? Just asking.
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Post by mdm on Oct 29, 2014 12:59:03 GMT -5
What makes it troubling is the build up of such messages over years. Hearing that God sees all and is in control is comforting. Hearing it while there are big problems in the fellowship, and in the absence of a "let's not bury our heads in the sand and ignore grievous wrongs"...and while concerned f&w are being ignored/shunned/uninvited for speaking up--- THAT is what makes it unsettling. That is the context I saw these comments in, and without having that context, no doubt other people heard the messages undisturbed. Well said. Problems reveal that man has taken control. Those who are blissfully unaware of big problems in the fellowship will hear the messages undisturbed.I was one of those for 15 years of professing. In recent years though, I couldn't help but wonder why some people were often talking in their testimonies about "just accepting??" What was it they were accepting? Sure, I've had to accept things too, but once you accept something, you don't have a need to keep talking about it, right? Or, there are evil things in the world I can't do anything about, except pray about them, but I never got the impression they were talking about those things. Finally, when I started "researching" on Wings, TMB and locally through private conversations, I understood what these people were "just accepting." Things I couldn't "just accept"...
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Post by mdm on Oct 29, 2014 13:17:15 GMT -5
For anyone who wonders if certain things are still preached, the following are direct quotes or paraphrases from this convention season. There were plenty of things that sounded right and good. Below is a list of ideas which made me cringe inside. We are above the laws of the land [context: we obey because it's the right thing to do, though]. When we see things wrong and we want to fix them, don't, or we are robbing God of his job. Leave it to Him. God sees everything--not our responsibility to do anything about evil. Problems start with complaining. Don't complain about the way or the workers in front of your children. Only praise. [This is understandable, but it seemed within a broader context of not complaining at all to anyone]. Gospel message in a nutshell: Life is short. Don't miss heaven. [Nothing about the good news of Jesus.] Keep your children separate from Strange Children. So today there is apathy in the fellowship in the face of evil - because they have been taught to ignore the liberty and responsibility we have as Christians to help the oppressed and even the sinner unto repentance. I am aware of victims who would not be victims today if there was no apathy in the face of evil. I can see that we should protect both ourselves and our family from bad influences, but it should start in the house. We are told in NT to keep separate not from the world, but from the immoral brethren. That means, clean up the church from the immoral. But, they are not concerned with the perverts they send into our homes. No. The children of our neighbors and relatives are seen as more dangerous than the wolves in sheep's clothing that they send into our homes as trusted preachers of the Gospel. "Strange children"? I guess my children now officially belong to that category, having been branded from the platform.
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Post by withlove on Oct 29, 2014 13:17:58 GMT -5
Yes, from what we see written in the OT the Hebrews were not any better than modern day ISIS. They killed woman and children too. Annihilated entire tribes in God's name (except the virgins. Guess ISIS gets those in heaven so no need to save them anymore) and so if we see ISIS doing that now, which God do we see role modeling that since the beginning of the Judeo/Christian/Islamic God? I guess the question is this. If it was condoned in the OT why is it seen as so horrific now? They probably are stating that God is guiding them just like the Hebrews were. This is one of many reasons I would never worship the Christian God. Allah, Yahweh, God are all the same guy! He has been brutal in all of these religions when it comes to anyone that isn't considered 'one of his'. It is a weird contradiction: God is merciful over and over and over and almost nothing is unforgivable vs. the genocide in the OT...like Nathan, I've come to believe the nephalim story. When the sons of God (angels) mated with humans, the offspring was unholy and *incapable* of good. That's why even babies had to be obliterated. The whole race was a danger. If it were just sinning human adults, He would have treated them like us. I know it sounds like crazy talk.
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Post by faune on Oct 29, 2014 14:18:18 GMT -5
For anyone who wonders if certain things are still preached, the following are direct quotes or paraphrases from this convention season. There were plenty of things that sounded right and good. Below is a list of ideas which made me cringe inside. We are above the laws of the land [context: we obey because it's the right thing to do, though]. When we see things wrong and we want to fix them, don't, or we are robbing God of his job. Leave it to Him. God sees everything--not our responsibility to do anything about evil. Problems start with complaining. Don't complain about the way or the workers in front of your children. Only praise. [This is understandable, but it seemed within a broader context of not complaining at all to anyone]. Gospel message in a nutshell: Life is short. Don't miss heaven. [Nothing about the good news of Jesus.] Keep your children separate from Strange Children. So today there is apathy in the fellowship in the face of evil - because they have been taught to ignore the liberty and responsibility we have as Christians to help the oppressed and even the sinner unto repentance. I am aware of victims who would not be victims today if there was no apathy in the face of evil. I can see that we should protect both ourselves and our family from bad influences, but it should start in the house. We are told in NT to keep separate not from the world, but from the immoral brethren. That means, clean up the church from the immoral. But, they are not concerned with the perverts they send into our homes. No. The children of our neighbors and relatives are seen as more dangerous than the wolves in sheep's clothing that they send into our homes as trusted preachers of the Gospel. "Strange children"? I guess my children now officially belong to that category, having been branded from the platform. Maja ~ Your words sum up what was going through my own mind when I read the opening paragraph. Paul admonished the people to clean up their own church of immoral brethren within their midst in I Corinthians 5 and so did Jesus, as recorded in Matthew 18. Paul also spoke about the unleaven bread of malice and wickedness, due to immoral behavior in their midst, would destroy the whole loaf, or their congregation, in that same chapter, too. It amazes me that the workers choose to ignore such a spiritual warning and continue to encourage cover-up and acceptance of the evil within their midst in the form of CSA offenders.
www.chosenpeople.com/main/holidays-and-festivals/595-removal-of-the-leaven
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Post by Tim Jones 'kyblue' on Oct 29, 2014 15:51:57 GMT -5
For anyone who wonders if certain things are still preached, the following are direct quotes or paraphrases from this convention season. There were plenty of things that sounded right and good. Below is a list of ideas which made me cringe inside. We are above the laws of the land [context: we obey because it's the right thing to do, though]. When we see things wrong and we want to fix them, don't, or we are robbing God of his job. Leave it to Him. God sees everything--not our responsibility to do anything about evil. Problems start with complaining. Don't complain about the way or the workers in front of your children. Only praise. [This is understandable, but it seemed within a broader context of not complaining at all to anyone]. Gospel message in a nutshell: Life is short. Don't miss heaven. [Nothing about the good news of Jesus.] Keep your children separate from Strange Children. What I'm hearing when I read this is: the ever-pervasive 'uniqueness' of the F&Ws, the ever-present 'we' vs 'them', upholding their 'way' as 'perfect', any 'evil' even if it is an F or W is not to be reported as it is deemed as "complaining" and that is the "problem" not the worker abusing children, yielding any responsibility to the well-being and safety of children, maintaining the image of a 'perfect' religion to the next generation when it is deceitful and dishonest - lying to your children about how bad the situation really is, the lack of education and theology for workers - how many times have we said this, and finally, the classic separation of 'us' vs 'them' - which reinforces broken family bonds between member and non-member, home from outside world, freedom of thought about outside world, emphasis that 'workers know better', and I could go on.
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Post by withlove on Oct 29, 2014 15:56:18 GMT -5
Forgot this one: "Take the sister workers as your example [in dress/appearance]."
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Post by fixit on Oct 29, 2014 17:07:49 GMT -5
Forgot this one: "Take the sister workers as your example [in dress/appearance]." It would be safer for workers to uphold Jesus as the example rather than themselves. Especially if they think sexual immorality can simply be dismissed as "sins of the flesh", with no accountability to the people they're asking to follow them. An example in morals would be better than an example in outward appearance.
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Post by snow on Oct 29, 2014 18:31:49 GMT -5
Yes, from what we see written in the OT the Hebrews were not any better than modern day ISIS. They killed woman and children too. Annihilated entire tribes in God's name (except the virgins. Guess ISIS gets those in heaven so no need to save them anymore) and so if we see ISIS doing that now, which God do we see role modeling that since the beginning of the Judeo/Christian/Islamic God? I guess the question is this. If it was condoned in the OT why is it seen as so horrific now? They probably are stating that God is guiding them just like the Hebrews were. This is one of many reasons I would never worship the Christian God. Allah, Yahweh, God are all the same guy! He has been brutal in all of these religions when it comes to anyone that isn't considered 'one of his'. It is a weird contradiction: God is merciful over and over and over and almost nothing is unforgivable vs. the genocide in the OT...like Nathan, I've come to believe the nephalim story. When the sons of God (angels) mated with humans, the offspring was unholy and *incapable* of good. That's why even babies had to be obliterated. The whole race was a danger. If it were just sinning human adults, He would have treated them like us. I know it sounds like crazy talk. History books do not make these tribes any different than the Hebrew tribes or the Egyptians etc. It was merely the Hebrews trying to justify killing their enemies. I don't believe God told them to do any of the horrific things they did. They just used their God to justify their horrific behavior. I don't believe in God period. So I'm pretty sure he isn't to blame. However, since others here do believe in that God, I have a hard time understanding how anyone could justify that kind of behavior if you truly think he was a god? I don't believe in any wicked race that the Hebrews had to annihilate for God. I just believe the Hebrew people were a barbaric, primitive Middle Eastern Tribe, probably not that much different from others in their area. There is no justification for their deeds and if people believe that God was justified in killing like that, I find that highly disturbing also. I can certainly understand where ISIS gets their twisted beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 18:53:18 GMT -5
For anyone who wonders if certain things are still preached, the following are direct quotes or paraphrases from this convention season. There were plenty of things that sounded right and good. Below is a list of ideas which made me cringe inside. We are above the laws of the land [context: we obey because it's the right thing to do, though]. Why then are some Workers in gaol? ??.
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Post by rational on Oct 29, 2014 23:37:49 GMT -5
What makes it troubling is the build up of such messages over years. Hearing that God sees all and is in control is comforting. Is this really comforting to people? How can one take comfort, for example, when children are being abused and the entity who sees all and is in control takes no action?
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Post by fixit on Oct 30, 2014 0:17:45 GMT -5
What makes it troubling is the build up of such messages over years. Hearing that God sees all and is in control is comforting. Is this really comforting to people? How can one take comfort, for example, when children are being abused and the entity who sees all and is in control takes no action? Folks seem to think that its God's prerogative to deal with the issues when he's ready. To hasten the process is considered "getting ahead of the Almighty" or "being very much out of our place". Do you think there's a better alternative?
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Post by bubbles on Oct 30, 2014 5:29:12 GMT -5
You are not ahead of god when reporting abuse happens many yrs later. Meantime the victims are suffering.
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Post by christiansburg on Oct 30, 2014 9:24:01 GMT -5
For anyone who wonders if certain things are still preached, the following are direct quotes or paraphrases from this convention season. There were plenty of things that sounded right and good. Below is a list of ideas which made me cringe inside. We are above the laws of the land [context: we obey because it's the right thing to do, though]. When we see things wrong and we want to fix them, don't, or we are robbing God of his job. Leave it to Him. God sees everything--not our responsibility to do anything about evil. Problems start with complaining. Don't complain about the way or the workers in front of your children. Only praise. [This is understandable, but it seemed within a broader context of not complaining at all to anyone]. Gospel message in a nutshell: Life is short. Don't miss heaven. [Nothing about the good news of Jesus.] Keep your children separate from Strange Children. The quote: "God see everything--not our responsibility to do anything about evil." This comment troubles me somewhat for this reason: First we know that God does see everything. He always has and always will; Second It is also true things are in God's hand when you consider end result. But to say ..."not our responsibility to do anything about evil..." Well, I do dispute that. We believe that Abraham, one of the best examples of faith was a man who left things in God's hands. But consider what he did when Lot had been taken captive by evil men. He armed himself with 300 of his household servants, picked up the sword and pursued evil men, killing many. So to say we do nothing is too passive. Leaving things in God's hands does not mean we do nothing. The list of men who left things in God's hands is long but also the list of men who did that then took up the sword is also long. I'll mention one other: Gideon. I have sometimes mentioned the above examples to workers during visits in our home. So far, none have disputed me on that. Just my thoughts.
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Post by rational on Oct 30, 2014 9:35:01 GMT -5
Is this really comforting to people? How can one take comfort, for example, when children are being abused and the entity who sees all and is in control takes no action? Folks seem to think that its God's prerogative to deal with the issues when he's ready. To hasten the process is considered "getting ahead of the Almighty" or "being very much out of our place". Do you think there's a better alternative? Yes. Child abuse is a criminal activity. It needs to be dealt with as a criminal activity. I feel that telling people that god is all powerful, all seeing, and in control gives people false hope and makes them feel that since god is aware and has the power to stop the criminal activity that they need to just sit back, wait for god to deal with the issue when s/he is ready and take care not to step our of their place. You say holding those beliefs about god brings comfort to people and that may well be the case but waiting for god to deal with the child abuse issue, as well as other criminal issues, has not born fruit and has resulted in the needless harming of many children. In this case I think getting ahead of the Almighty is an imperative.
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Post by rational on Oct 30, 2014 9:39:02 GMT -5
It is a weird contradiction: God is merciful over and over and over and almost nothing is unforgivable vs. the genocide in the OT...like Nathan, I've come to believe the nephalim story. When the sons of God (angels) mated with humans, the offspring was unholy and *incapable* of good. That's why even babies had to be obliterated. The whole race was a danger. If it were just sinning human adults, He would have treated them like us. I know it sounds like crazy talk. Just as long as you know.
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Post by rational on Oct 30, 2014 9:44:14 GMT -5
For anyone who wonders if certain things are still preached, the following are direct quotes or paraphrases from this convention season. There were plenty of things that sounded right and good. Below is a list of ideas which made me cringe inside. We are above the laws of the land [context: we obey because it's the right thing to do, though]. Sedition guided by a moral compass! This has not proved to be the case - at least in recent history. This seems reasonable - but I do like to complain! What about strange adults? There must be more context around this.
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Post by mdm on Oct 30, 2014 11:19:40 GMT -5
A worker told us a year and a half ago that it's OK to be concerned with what happens in our area, but not to concern ourselves with things that happen outside of it. Based on what was said at this recent convention, it looks like the new doctrine is to not be concerned with anything that happens, regardless of where it happens. This is consistent with cases we are aware of where people were not concerned with what happened in their own midst, or they didn't have the liberty to show concern.
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Post by mdm on Oct 30, 2014 12:52:11 GMT -5
When we see things wrong and we want to fix them, don't, or we are robbing God of his job. Leave it to Him. God sees everything--not our responsibility to do anything about evil. Here are (some) verses that show that we have the responsibility to respond to wrongs and evils: Leviticus 19:17 You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him. Judges 20:1 Then all the people of Israel came out, from Dan to Beersheba, including the land of Gilead, and the congregation assembled as one man to the LORD at Mizpah. 2And the chiefs of all the people, of all the tribes of Israel, presented themselves in the assembly of the people of God, 400,000 men on foot that drew the sword. 3(Now the people of Benjamin heard that the people of Israel had gone up to Mizpah.) And the people of Israel said, “Tell us, how did this evil happen?” 4And the Levite, the husband of the woman who was murdered, answered and said, “I came to Gibeah that belongs to Benjamin, I and my concubine, to spend the night. 5And the leaders of Gibeah rose against me and surrounded the house against me by night. They meant to kill me, and they violated my concubine, and she is dead. 6So I took hold of my concubine and cut her in pieces and sent her throughout all the country of the inheritance of Israel, for they have committed abomination and outrage in Israel. 7Behold, you people of Israel, all of you, give your advice and counsel here.” 8And all the people arose as one man, saying, “None of us will go to his tent, and none of us will return to his house. 9But now this is what we will do to Gibeah: we will go up against it by lot, 10and we will take ten men of a hundred throughout all the tribes of Israel, and a hundred of a thousand, and a thousand of ten thousand, to bring provisions for the people, that when they come they may repay Gibeah of Benjamin, for all the outrage that they have committed in Israel.” 11So all the men of Israel gathered against the city, united as one man. 12And the tribes of Israel sent men through all the tribe of Benjamin, saying, “What evil is this that has taken place among you? 13Now therefore give up the men, the worthless fellows in Gibeah, that we may put them to death and purge evil from Israel.” 1 Samuel 11:5 And Saul said, “What is wrong with the people, that they are weeping?” So they told him the news of the men of Jabesh. 6And the Spirit of God rushed upon Saul when he heard these words, and his anger was greatly kindled. 7He took a yoke of oxen and cut them in pieces and sent them throughout all the territory of Israel by the hand of the messengers, saying, “Whoever does not come out after Saul and Samuel, so shall it be done to his oxen!” Nehemiah 5 Now there arose a great outcry of the people and of their wives against their Jewish brothers… I was very angry when I heard their outcry and these words. I took counsel with myself, and I brought charges against the nobles and the officials. Job 29:12 because I rescued the poor who cried for help, and the fatherless who had none to assist them. Psalm 82:3 Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. 4 Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked. Proverbs 21:13 Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered. Proverbs 24:11 Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter. Proverbs 24:25 but those who rebuke the wicked will have delight, and a good blessing will come upon them. Proverbs 27:5 Better is open rebuke than hidden love. Proverbs 28:4 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, but those who keep the law strive against them. Proverbs 28:23 Whoever rebukes a man will afterward find more favor than he who flatters with his tongue. Proverbs 31:8 Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. 9 Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy. Isaiah 1:17 seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause. 1:23 They do not bring justice to the fatherless, and the widow's cause does not come to them. Jeremiah 6:14 They have healed the wound of my people lightly, saying, 'Peace, peace,' when there is no peace. Ezekiel 13:10 It is definitely because they have misled My people by saying, 'Peace!' when there is no peace. And when anyone builds a wall, behold, they plaster it over with whitewash; 11 so tell those who plaster it over with whitewash, that it will fall. Ezekiel 22:26 Her priests have done violence to my law and have profaned my holy things. They have made no distinction between the holy and the common, neither have they taught the difference between the unclean and the clean, and they have disregarded my Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. 27Her princes in her midst are like wolves tearing the prey, shedding blood, destroying lives to get dishonest gain. 28And her prophets have smeared whitewash for them, seeing false visions and divining lies for them, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD,’ when the LORD has not spoken. 29The people of the land have practiced extortion and committed robbery. They have oppressed the poor and needy, and have extorted from the sojourner without justice. 30And I sought for a man among them who should build up the wall and stand in the breach before me for the land, that I should not destroy it, but I found none. 31Therefore I have poured out my indignation upon them. I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath. I have returned their way upon their heads, declares the Lord GOD.” Amos 5:15 Hate evil, and love good, and establish justice in the gate. 5:25 But let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream. Matthew 7: 23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel! Matthew 14:3 For Herod had seized John and bound him and put him in prison for the sake of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife,a 4 because John had been saying to him, “It is not lawful for you to have her.” Matthew 18:15 If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Matthew 21:12 And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. 1 Corinthians 5 1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. 2And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.3For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. 4When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. 6Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the churchb whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” 2 Corinthians 7:11 For see what earnestness this godly grief has produced in you, but also what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what longing, what zeal, what punishment! At every point you have proved yourselves innocent in the matter. 12So although I wrote to you, it was not for the sake of the one who did the wrong, nor for the sake of the one who suffered the wrong, but in order that your earnestness for us might be revealed to you in the sight of God. Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 1 Timothy 5:20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. James 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. James 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Revelation 2:2 I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. 2: 14 But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality. 15 So also you have some who hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans. 16 Therefore repent. 2:20 But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
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