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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 7, 2014 16:19:54 GMT -5
Like some atheists need to know there is no God, and manifest it by their certitude, some people just need to know there are ufo's and aliens. What is it exactly that distinguishes a healthy mind from a delusional one? I don't need to know there is no God, Lee.
Do you need to know there is no Santa Claus? unicorns?
Are you a ASanta Clausist? a Aunicornist?
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Post by matisse on Nov 7, 2014 16:35:32 GMT -5
The existence of ETs living in the inner earth and other planets in our galaxy... should make the Atheists VERY nervous because it proves there is God, who created them and us/humans. Oh, but you offer no verifiable evidence of the existence of ETs living in the inner earth and absolutely no proof of the existence of God. I am not at all nervous! And why would I be? After all, if I ever see/experience what I can consider verifiable evidence and proof of the existence of "God", then I will believe. I am not at all nervous or afraid of this possibility! I am also not holding my breath that it will ever happen!
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Post by snow on Nov 7, 2014 16:55:37 GMT -5
I knew it, we're a lab experiment gone dreadfully wrong!!!
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Post by snow on Nov 7, 2014 17:00:32 GMT -5
I find it interesting that most Christians would find belief in the supernatural to be delusional thinking and yet when it comes to God, a supernatural being, they think those who don't believe in God to be delusional. What!!??
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Post by xna on Nov 7, 2014 17:04:30 GMT -5
I knew it, we're a lab experiment gone dreadfully wrong!!! Could be ... It's an old idea Panspermia ...The first known mention of the term was in the writings of the 5th century BC Greek philosopher Anaxagoras. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia
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Post by snow on Nov 7, 2014 17:12:26 GMT -5
I knew it, we're a lab experiment gone dreadfully wrong!!! Could be ... It's an old idea Panspermia ...The first known mention of the term was in the writings of the 5th century BC Greek philosopher Anaxagoras. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PanspermiaOh well, so much for me thinking I might have an 'original' thought!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 7, 2014 19:38:21 GMT -5
Oh, but you offer no verifiable evidence of the existence of ETs living in the inner earth and absolutely no proof of the existence of God. I am not at all nervous! And why would I be? After all, if I ever see/experience what I can consider verifiable evidence and proof of the existence of "God", then I will believe. I am not at all nervous or afraid of this possibility! I am also not holding my breath that it will ever happen! Human Prisoners of the Aliens at Dulce Base, in New Mexico 1979. Nathan, do you think that if you post all this stuff enough times that we will eventually believe it?
My son just asked me, "why do continue to even talk to him?"
Good question! I wonder why myself!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 7, 2014 20:00:44 GMT -5
NathanB: The existence of ETs living in the inner earth and other planets in our galaxy... should make the Atheists VERY nervous because it proves there is God, who created them and us/humans. I do rather wonder this about you, Nathan.
The idea of Jesus resurrection and ascension into the sky, -the basis for Christianity, is an irrational concept of itself, -but never-the-less still is believed by many people.
Obviously that concept alone doesn't seem to be enough for you.
You are not convinced enough by that concept alone that you have had to add all these other ideas that come down the pike.
If I were a Christian as you say you are, I would be VERY nervous adding all that nonsense you post to the "WORD OF GOD." Remember what Jesus said about.
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Post by matisse on Nov 7, 2014 20:22:49 GMT -5
Oh, but you offer no verifiable evidence of the existence of ETs living in the inner earth and absolutely no proof of the existence of God. I am not at all nervous! And why would I be? After all, if I ever see/experience what I can consider verifiable evidence and proof of the existence of "God", then I will believe. I am not at all nervous or afraid of this possibility! I am also not holding my breath that it will ever happen! Human Prisoners of the Aliens at Dulce Base, in New Mexico 1979. The US shadow government working with/for Lucifer/Aliens by Sherry Shriner. There is evidence of an agreement called the "100" Treaty began in 1933 with the President Franklin Roosevelt between the Aliens and the government of the United States. When you go to bed with the devil, you are not going to come out of it looking like an angel. www.youtube.com/watch?v=liqh8yRwtbo~~ Mind Blowing Footage Of Cryo Tanks At Dulce Secret Alien Base www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0QFbkib3AcPhil S. fire fight, he killed 2 tall greys aliens... (listen at 17:00) Phil mentioned Valiant Thor worked with US gov't since WW II, Valiant 1200 IQ. (listen at 20:00) www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6kTODsqbDIPhil Schneider Last Known Video - The Final Lecture. (at 5:20) US gov't encountered the grays aliens in 1909, 1933, 1946. www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB8yOARnzDIMap of Dulce, New Mexico in 1979 and others human and aliens base around the world. Humans experimentation with animals/aliens DNA. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WM8-wG9bjE&feature=related~~~ 5/2013 More amazing information on 1979 firefight with tall Greys at Dulce underground bases. President Jimmy Carter organized special force in dealing with alien threats. Humans cloning for bodies parts programs. Huge machine bored the tunnels melt the rocks (Part 4). The firefight/rescue 3,000 women prisoners. Captured UFO disks (Part 5) Presidents of USA signed agreements with the Greys in 1940-50. (Part 6). www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7xuAyEwMQ0~~ A Conversation with Jo Ann Richards in 2012 Regarding Captain Mark Richards who was part of the Special force leaders firefight with the Tall Greys in Dulce, New Mexico 1979. He was frame for murder in 1982. They sentenced Captain Mark for life to keep him from talking too much about his on and off world experiences with the ET. www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1qc-o_3RTkCamelot: Kerry Cassidy interview in 2013 with Captain Mark Richards firefight with the tall greys in Ducle, New Mexico 1979. He confessed that the US governments have worked with many heavenly being races. The aliens within the Vatican.www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bPhG3WP2xMThe Air Force Intelligence Officer that reportedly was the man who met with the Aliens at Holloman (Air Force Base) in 1964, was the legendary 'Dutchman,' Ellis Loyd Richards, Jr. - the same man who would reportedly order the attack on Dulce/New Mexico firefight with the tall greys in 1979, and whose son, Captain Mark Richards, would lead the human attack on the facility."---E.D.H. Earth Defense Head quarter's Technical Brief/ Winter - 2001 Edited by Captain MARK RICHARDS Published by - Earth Defense Headquarters www.edhca.org/~~ Thomas Castello, A Dulce Base whistleblower. Dulce Base is an alleged secret alien underground facility under Archuleta Mesa on the Colorado-New Mexico border near the town of Dulce, New Mexico in the United States. According to Thomas Castello, a former Dulce base security officer -- this particular under-world city is a highly secret base operated by humans as well as reptilian aliens and their worker cast, the commonly encountered grays. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gSKPz52cVwNathan, there is nothing here that could qualify as verifiable evidence or proof....only hearsay and unsubstantiated stories.
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Post by Lee on Nov 7, 2014 20:44:38 GMT -5
So while the debate rages on over whether UFO's and so on exist, (for we all know that God doesn't exist, because we know, just saying) .... Can anyone say that it will not be a surprise to meet a human being from outer space? What are the prospects of an accident of aspect and magnitude such as man happening twice?
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Post by Lee on Nov 7, 2014 20:46:51 GMT -5
..Or more than twice
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Post by xna on Nov 7, 2014 20:47:25 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Nov 7, 2014 20:59:12 GMT -5
So while the debate rages on over whether UFO's and so on exist, (for we all know that God doesn't exist, because we know, just saying) .... Can anyone say that it will not be a surprise to meet a human being from outer space? What are the prospects of an accident of similar aspect and magnitude happening twice? We know that similar physical features have evolved separately over time among different species on earth. That would make me think that on other M type planets we might expect to see someone like us, but today we don't even know of any other life outside of earth. I hope there are lots of us out there. Science is today's best way of knowing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_examples_of_convergent_evolutionnews.sciencemag.org/evolution/2014/07/flight-may-have-evolved-multiple-times-birds
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Post by Lee on Nov 7, 2014 21:17:59 GMT -5
The distillation of Nathan's posts is that the war between good and evil is a cosmic one. Do you have any problem with this?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 21:46:57 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Nov 7, 2014 21:47:01 GMT -5
The distillation of Nathan's posts is that the war between good and evil is a cosmic one. Do you have any problem with this? ~ leefryer Here is where I am today on this... Both good and evil exist, but it a human condition. Mankind has the capacity for great good and great evil. The question of what is good and evil is a human question alone. If you add god(s), you prevent the good, and increase the evil. Good should be supported and evil opposed. War should be the last resort for how to oppose evil. I see there are absolute ethics (for example, rape is always evil, CSA is always evil, slavery is always evil, ...) but much of what is good and evil can be situational. The world is not black and white, & so each case has to be considered one at a time to yield the most good and the least evil. JMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 21:49:59 GMT -5
The distillation of Nathan's posts is that the war between good and evil is a cosmic one. Do you have any problem with this? ~ leefryer Here is where I am today on this... Both good and evil exist, but it a human condition. Mankind has the capacity for great good and great evil. The question of what is good and evil is a human question alone. If you add god(s), you prevent the good, and increase the evil. Good should be supported and evil opposed. War should be the last resort for how to oppose evil. I see there are absolute ethics (for example, rape is always evil, CSA is always evil, slavery is always evil, ...) but much of what is good and evil can be situational. The world is not black and white, & so each case has to be considered one at a time to yield the most good and the least evil. JMT actually i would think an atheist would be for survival of the fittest thats neither good nor evil right?....
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Post by xna on Nov 7, 2014 21:55:50 GMT -5
~ leefryer Here is where I am today on this... Both good and evil exist, but it a human condition. Mankind has the capacity for great good and great evil. The question of what is good and evil is a human question alone. If you add god(s), you prevent the good, and increase the evil. Good should be supported and evil opposed. War should be the last resort for how to oppose evil. I see there are absolute ethics (for example, rape is always evil, CSA is always evil, slavery is always evil, ...) but much of what is good and evil can be situational. The world is not black and white, & so each case has to be considered one at a time to yield the most good and the least evil. JMT actually i would think an atheist would be for survival of the fittest thats neither good nor evil.... Everyone gets their sense of right and wrong the same way. You could be conflating an atheist with a sociopath.
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Post by xna on Nov 7, 2014 22:03:46 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 8, 2014 1:03:58 GMT -5
I do rather wonder this about you, Nathan.
The idea of Jesus resurrection and ascension into the sky, -the basis for Christianity, is an irrational concept of itself, -but never-the-less still is believed by many people.
Obviously that concept alone doesn't seem to be enough for you.
You are not convinced enough by that concept alone that you have had to add all these other ideas that come down the pike.
If I were a Christian as you say you are, I would be VERY nervous adding all that nonsense you post to the "WORD OF GOD." Remember what Jesus said about.
The resurrection of Jesus is a historical fact. We read in the gospels, the book of Acts, the apostles epistles, and in the book of Revelation.
You say and believe with all of your heart that Jesus resurrection was a MYTH! How can myth person eat, talk, and allow his own disciples to touch the wounds on side and hands after he raised from the dead?
Stories are nice but the clincher for me is this, I have seen and heard God/Jesus voice in my dreams, touch/visitation in my daily life experiences for the 40 yrs. If I said God doesn't exist then I have lied to all of you. So, all I can do is to tell you what God has done for me and in my life, believe it or NOT it's up to you.
First of all, of course, the resurrection of Jesus is NOT a historical fact.
The gospels, the book of Acts, the apostles epistles, are NOT actual history books any more that the Vedas are history books. I'm sure that you yourself wouldn't believe that the Vedas are history books.
(Please don't put words in my mouth that I never said, such as that I, "say and believe with all of your heart that Jesus resurrection was a MYTH." You are always taking a person' post & trying to summarize what they! )
I have also have heard a lot of voices in MY dreams. That doesn't mean that they are true.
I also thought as you do for at least for 40 yrs., that God "touched/visited" me in my life experiences. The mind is a wonderful thing & can conjure up a lot of concepts of which many simply aren't aren't true when looked at with rational, critical thought.
We can tell ourselves a lot of stories, especially when we want to believe something.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 8, 2014 1:30:29 GMT -5
~ leefryer Here is where I am today on this... Both good and evil exist, but it a human condition. Mankind has the capacity for great good and great evil. The question of what is good and evil is a human question alone. If you add god(s), you prevent the good, and increase the evil. Good should be supported and evil opposed. War should be the last resort for how to oppose evil. I see there are absolute ethics (for example, rape is always evil, CSA is always evil, slavery is always evil, ...) but much of what is good and evil can be situational. The world is not black and white, & so each case has to be considered one at a time to yield the most good and the least evil. JMT actually i would think an atheist would be for survival of the fittest thats neither good nor evil right?.... You, as well as many others, still cannot get the correct definition of "Atheist."
Atheism is often defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
NOT a belief, simply a lack of belief in any god! End. Period.
Saying that, tell me how could an atheist be for OR against survival of the fittest?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 2:01:42 GMT -5
As I see it, an Atheist is one who believes in miracles. The major one being that the world created itself - in violation of cause and effect.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 8, 2014 2:51:44 GMT -5
As I see it, an Atheist is one who believes in miracles. The major one being that the world created itself - in violation of cause and effect. What "caused" the world?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 2:53:14 GMT -5
Sorry, replace "world" for "universe" replace "universe" with "multi-verse" replace "multi-verse" with "everything that is."
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 8, 2014 2:59:38 GMT -5
Sorry, replace "world" for "universe" replace "universe" with "multi-verse" replace "multi-verse" with "everything that is." Ok,
What "caused" the universe, multi-verse, everything that is?
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 8, 2014 3:03:02 GMT -5
As I see it, an Atheist is one who believes in miracles. The major one being that the world created itself - in violation of cause and effect. Don't you believe in miracles Bert ?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 8, 2014 3:05:20 GMT -5
I have shown you people who had one on one contact with various ETs. You're welcome to listen to their stories about their encounter experiences. Believe it or NOT its up to the readers. There are too many information to present in one post, so I will reveal little by little of 60 yrs of experiences from many people through the years.
So, what kind of evidences do you need for you to believe, Matisse?
Oh, please, NO! , Don't, Nathan!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 3:07:23 GMT -5
Sorry, replace "world" for "universe" replace "universe" with "multi-verse" replace "multi-verse" with "everything that is." Ok,
What "caused" the universe, multi-verse, everything that is?
Two strands of thought 1 - an external agent 2 - it pulled itself up by the bootstraps, in a time when there was no time, using energy when there was no energy, in a space where there was no space and all by physical laws when there were no laws.
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