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Post by Lee on Nov 3, 2014 12:44:16 GMT -5
Total malarkey is my initial reaction. What's with the disjointed nature of the heresaichal, evidentiary postings?
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Post by Lee on Nov 3, 2014 12:47:42 GMT -5
The sovereignty of God isn't jeopardized by, let's say, my dog's inability to appreciate the import of the Gospel of JC. But doesn't it become jeopardized, somewhat, by the introduction of phantasmal creatures who are allegedly impervious to the Gospel?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 3, 2014 13:20:04 GMT -5
If they got that wrong, what else did they get wrong Nathan? Let the readers decide. Harley A. Bryd is a Nephew or the grandson Nathan, We can't just let readers decide whether Harley A. Bryd is a Nephew or the grandson.
It is a factual question.
Harley A. Bryd is EITHER a Nephew or A grandson.
THIS CAN'T BE JUST A MATTER OF OPINION!
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Post by Lee on Nov 3, 2014 14:49:10 GMT -5
Briefly, briefly .... Nathan. LOL hahaha, I just want to give you a whole scoop of things, so you've a clearer picture.The Bible seems inadequate to address the different life forms you speak of. Like I wrote in the past, the Bible is NOT a complete book. There were many writings in the Dead Sea Scrolls were left out which mention about different life forms, ET beings living on different planets for millions and billions of years. Homo Sapiens of Adam and Eve race has existed for only 6000 yrs.The sovereignty of God isn't jeopardized by, let's say, my dog's inability to appreciate the import of the Gospel of JC. But doesn't it become jeopardized, somewhat, by the introduction of phantasmal creatures who are allegedly impervious to the Gospel? Can you write in layman terms for me of your question again. I have little clues of what you're saying here. Thanks.If the Bible leaves critical information out, shall we become suspicious of its soteriology? Notwithstanding their differences, atheists and theists have a pretty good track record of being able to differentiate between the human race and other species. This is being placed into doubt by your model of living beings. Your model, however phantasmal, purports to invite and celebrate a kind of neo-racism.
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Post by xna on Nov 3, 2014 15:42:15 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Nov 3, 2014 20:16:24 GMT -5
Let the readers decide. Harley A. Bryd is a Nephew or the grandson Nathan, We can't just let readers decide whether Harley A. Bryd is a Nephew or the grandson.
It is a factual question.
Harley A. Bryd is EITHER a Nephew or A grandson.
THIS CAN'T BE JUST A MATTER OF OPINION!
And all of the relevant family members are known but there is not a Harley in the mix.
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Post by rational on Nov 4, 2014 11:35:01 GMT -5
Well, Harley A. Bryd said he is the Nephew. Dr. Frank Stranges said Harley A. Bryd is Admiral Bryd nephew also. Dr. Frank is also private investigator. Both can't be liars. We know Harley A. Bryd is NOT admiral grandson. I believe both can be, and probably are, people who distort the truth for their own personal gain. Or as you stated, liars. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's look at the known facts. A nephew to the Admiral would be the son of the Admiral's brother. A nephew could be the son of the Admiral's sister but then his last name would not be Byrd. This, added to the fact that Admiral Byrd did not have a sister, makes it difficult for the production of a nephew other than via the Admiral's brother. The Admiral has a single brother - Harry F. Byrd, Sr. The brother's sons are the only possibilities for Harley being the Admiral's nephew. Their names were: Harry Flood Byrd, Jr. Richard Evelyn Byrd Beverley Byrd There was also a sister named Westwood. So NathanB - where did the mysterious "Harley" come from? A created being? Like the story the perjurers above claim regarding Valiant Thor?
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Post by Lee on Nov 4, 2014 12:03:03 GMT -5
11 different aliens races are on the earth with 2 races being benevolent. How did God declare or create us to be dominant or all the other animals and forget to mention that we were actually the prey of nine other species?
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Post by Lee on Nov 4, 2014 12:05:25 GMT -5
If we're the prey of nine other species, what would be wrong with that? What's wrong with a rabbit being the natural prey of a coyote?
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Post by Lee on Nov 4, 2014 12:11:21 GMT -5
Pathological personalities and public menaces exist, but I reject the idea that our "soul-essence" is the natural sustenance of any species. If this were the case God's character would be culpable and he could not be God.
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Post by rational on Nov 4, 2014 12:12:03 GMT -5
11 different aliens races are on the earth with 2 races being benevolent. How did God declare or create us to be dominant or all the other animals and forget to mention that we were actually the prey of nine other species? God is getting on in years - getting forgetful. The other day s/he demanded to know where his/her glasses were and I had to point out they were on the top of his/her head, right where s/he left them. I thought it would be a comical moment but before I knew what was happening I was dancing like my life depended on it as I tried to avoid the flurry of lightning bolts. Thank god whomever that the glasses were not put in place first. And to think that some people believe that dancing is sinful!
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Post by rational on Nov 4, 2014 13:46:41 GMT -5
I believe both can be, and probably are, people who distort the truth for their own personal gain. Or as you stated, liars. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's look at the known facts. A nephew to the Admiral would be the son of the Admiral's brother. A nephew could be the son of the Admiral's sister but then his last name would not be Byrd. This, added to the fact that Admiral Byrd did not have a sister, makes it difficult for the production of a nephew other than via the Admiral's brother. The Admiral has a single brother - Harry F. Byrd, Sr. The brother's sons are the only possibilities for Harley being the Admiral's nephew. Their names were: Harry Flood Byrd, Jr. Richard Evelyn Byrd Beverley Byrd There was also a sister named Westwood. So @bathan9 - where did the mysterious "Harley" come from? A created being? Like the story the perjurers above claim regarding Valiant Thor? On this list of Bryd's family tree. Harley A. Bryd is related to Admiral Richard E. Byrd somewhere in the Bryd's family tree.
familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/a/r/David-W-Barnett-Oklahoma/ODT5-0010.html
Harley Andrew Bryd name is mention on here. Harley A. Bryd Born 10/20/1938. Now he is 76 yrs old living in Calf. Admiral Richard E. Byrd born in 1888 and died in 1957.Once again, NathanB, you have nothing. Harley Andrew Byrd b: September 20, 1938 son of Everett Byrd b: June 23, 1914 son of William Lee Byrd b: October 16, 1881 son of William Nathan (Billy) Byrd b: January 30, 1855 Looking up Harley's tree there is no Admiral in the family. Harley is not the nephew of Admiral Byrd. They may have a common ancestor but they are as unrelated as humans and chimpanzees. The link you provided shows Harley is not the Admiral's nephew. Those who claim that are, for lack of a better word, liars. Perhaps you can post another link to provide additional data showing Harley is not the nephew and made it up, along with a lot of other stuff, simply because they shared a common name.
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Post by rational on Nov 4, 2014 14:17:45 GMT -5
No, they are related in the Bryd's family... not just a human race.Richard Evelyn Byrd, Sr. Birthdate: August 13, 1860 Birthplace: Analin, Travis County, TX, USA Death: Died October 23, 1925 in Richmond, VA, USA Immediate Family: Son of Col. William Byrd and Jennie Merriweather Byrd Husband of Eleanor [Emily] Bolling Byrd Father of Harry F. Byrd, Sr., US Senator; Rear Adm. Richard E. Byrd, Jr., Polar Explorer and Thomas Bolling Byrd Brother of Mary Armistead Byrd Harley is not the Admiral's nephew. That is the simple fact. You can look back and find some link but the fact is - Harley is not the nephew he claimed to be. Come on NathanB, step up and admit it is an untruth promoted by the people you quote in a useless attempt to give the BS they are writing credibility - but lies and distortions do just the opposite. If they lie about the facts that can be checked - why would you even consider the rest of the story without some proof (PS - quoting Stranges, Harley, and the rest of the people is not proof.
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Post by rational on Nov 4, 2014 15:36:41 GMT -5
Harley Bryd is NOT the only witness, who met Valiant Thor. Phil Schneider, who had Above Top Secret clearance met Valiant Thor. Dr. Stranges met and kept constant in touch with Valiant Thor from 1959 until his death in 2008. Many reporters, photographers met and took Valiant Thor's pictures at, Howard Menger homes in 1958 for the world to see what he looks like a man from the planet Venus. Howard Menger met Valiant Thor, the president of USA Eisenhower, Vice president Nixon met Valiant Thor, Many president chief of staff and Pentagon high ranking official met Valiant Thor, in 1960. The US scientists, generals, George Bush sr., and many Pentagon met and worked with Valiant Thor and his brother Don Thor in 1940s on time machine.
No matter what, Rational! You can deny all you want. Valiant Thor is REAL. There are too MANY eyes witnesses, and evidence to back it up Valiant Thor exists as a Living Being. The only people who claim this are the same ones who have lied about Harley being Admiral Byrd's nephew. Stick to the point NathanB - can you provide any proof that the references you provided and the ones I provided are in error? Of course not - it is a lie designed to make gullible people believe the rest of the lies. You say VT met the president and the Vice President but it is only on the word of a handful of people who have been shown to lie. Howard Menger claimed he breathed on the moon. If many reporters met and took photos where are they? I have not seen more than 3 or 4.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 4, 2014 15:54:14 GMT -5
Harley Bryd is NOT the only witness, who met Valiant Thor. Phil Schneider, who had Above Top Secret clearance met Valiant Thor. Dr. Stranges met and kept constant in touch with Valiant Thor from 1959 until his death in 2008. Many reporters, photographers met and took Valiant Thor's pictures at, Howard Menger homes in 1958 for the world to see what he looks like a man from the planet Venus. Howard Menger met Valiant Thor, the president of USA Eisenhower, Vice president Nixon met Valiant Thor, Many president chief of staff and Pentagon high ranking official met Valiant Thor, in 1960. The US scientists, generals, George Bush sr., and many Pentagon met and worked with Valiant Thor and his brother Don Thor in 1940s on time machine.
No matter what, Rational! You can deny all you want. Valiant Thor is REAL. There are too MANY eyes witnesses, and evidence to back it up Valiant Thor exists as a Living Being. NATHAN, why is it so difficult for you to understand that Phil Schneider, Dr. Stranges, Howard Menger are NOT reliable witnesses ?
Phil Schneider was a self-taught geologist & ufologist. Dr. Strange was the Founder of National Investigations Committee on UFOs Howard Menger only claim to fame was that he claimed to be contacted by a extraterrestal alien.
There is not one smidgen of reliable scientific evidence amongst the lot of them! Neither do they have any scientific credentials.
Just continuing to re-post all of their false data does nothing to make it accurate.
You are now even trying to connect them with Jesus. You are feeding all that to people here on this board and some are beginning to believe you.
You say that you believe in GOD.
Think about it .
Don't you think that GOD in which you believe will hold you responsible for causing such delusions?
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Post by Lee on Nov 4, 2014 18:15:09 GMT -5
Humans are Much weaker in powers than the angels, and other ET races in our Milky Way galaxy. Human beings don't have "powers", and neither do angels. They have their minds and their bodies and the influence God affords.
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Post by Lee on Nov 4, 2014 18:19:08 GMT -5
The problem with saying the Bible left critical information out is that God becomes part of the conspiracy.
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Post by rational on Nov 4, 2014 20:37:20 GMT -5
The only people who claim this are the same ones who have lied about Harley being Admiral Byrd's nephew. Stick to the point NathanB - can you provide any proof that the references you provided and the ones I provided are in error? Of course not - it is a lie designed to make gullible people believe the rest of the lies. You say VT met the president and the Vice President but it is only on the word of a handful of people who have been shown to lie. Howard Menger claimed he breathed on the moon. If many reporters met and took photos where are they? I have not seen more than 3 or 4. Various copies of the same photo do not count as separate photos. Aliens from other worlds and there are less than half a dozen photos. As to the claim VT has six fingers: Another lie pointed out. Photos of actors do not add to the creditability. Have you any data to explain why Harley should be thought to be Admiral Byrd's nephew?
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Post by rational on Nov 4, 2014 20:41:00 GMT -5
If Dr Stranges’ credentials and integrity are accepted, then it appears that the Pentagon housed a visitor from Venus for three years who allegedly was able to meet with senior officials and was able to travel to UFO conventions such as the Mengers. Stranges has no credibility. He has no proof to support any of his claims. Mengers was known to charge people to look at 'aliens'. But the 'aliens' were always only in silhouette are always resembled the frame of Howard's wife or daughter. They made a living bilking people.
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Post by snow on Nov 4, 2014 21:27:13 GMT -5
Well look at that will you! Thor used Brylcreem (a little dab'll do ya)! And, you're right, he's a 5 fingered guy!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 4, 2014 21:52:46 GMT -5
Contact Testimonies of Extraterrestrials Among Us: They're from Mars, Saturn, Venus, and other planets. They lived and worked among humans.# 1) George Adamski’s famous Desert Center meeting ).
The Desert Center encounter was among those of Adamski’s claims regarding extraterrestrial contact ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Lost Ships of the Desert is the subject of legends about ancient ships found in California's Colorado Desert. (and of course, were loaded with gold)
Seems that Adamski wasn't so original. He just upgraded the legends with some modern day twists. The "Ship " is a alien space ship, & the "gold"is knowledge.
The more one explores such myths, the more you can see how such stories continue to be created from prototypes.
They are Good reading but not to be taken seriously.
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Post by rational on Nov 4, 2014 21:58:26 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Nov 4, 2014 22:02:25 GMT -5
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Post by déjà vu on Nov 4, 2014 22:59:53 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Nov 5, 2014 12:30:29 GMT -5
Isaiah 42:8 "I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." But you, Nathan, in assigning "powers" to angels advocate the worship of angels. This might have been understandable according to the naivety of antiquity. But since JC made the anthropic principle clear you have no excuse but to repeal your superstitious tendencies. Embrace the worship of God in a rational manner.
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Post by Lee on Nov 5, 2014 12:42:44 GMT -5
Pathological personalities and public menaces exist, but I reject the idea that our "soul-essence" is the natural sustenance of any species. If this were the case God's character would be culpable and he could not be God. Lee, try to keep your post in simple English, so the rest of us can understand what you're saying. I have no clue what you're saying in this post. Care to try again in simple English so I can understand.If God created demonic entities that sustain themselves by our sin we would be SOL (sh--out-of-luck). For if God created such an entity, the constant consumption of our spiritual health would be consistent with the natural order of creation.
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Post by snow on Nov 5, 2014 17:34:35 GMT -5
Isaiah 42:8 "I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." But you, Nathan, in assigning "powers" to angels advocate the worship of angels. This might have been understandable according to the naivety of antiquity. But since JC made the anthropic principle clear you have no excuse but to repeal your superstitious tendencies. Embrace the worship of God in a rational manner. The Bible teaches that we should NOT worship the angels of God because they were created by Jesus/Yahweh God to SERVE us NOT to LORD over us. Satan did the opposite God's command they are to SERVE us NOT to become our god. We must show respect for the angels. They are created to HELP, protect, guide and reveal God/Elohim to us. We/humans are created to WORSHIP God the Father, Jesus/Yahweh God, and the Holy Spirit ONLY! and NOT to Satan, who is just an angel of God.Nathan, I have always heard that angels cannot disobey god because they have no free will. This would contradict the belief that Satan (who was an angel) then had the ability to disobey God. Someone is wrong. Either angels don't have power to disobey and that includes Satan, or angels can disobey and that means all of them. Which is it? If God created angels to only be good and they have no power to disobey, does this mean that God is not all powerful since one of his angels somehow found the power to disobey?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 22:03:34 GMT -5
The Bible teaches that we should NOT worship the angels of God because they were created by Jesus/Yahweh God to SERVE us NOT to LORD over us. Satan did the opposite God's command they are to SERVE us NOT to become our god. We must show respect for the angels. They are created to HELP, protect, guide and reveal God/Elohim to us. We/humans are created to WORSHIP God the Father, Jesus/Yahweh God, and the Holy Spirit ONLY! and NOT to Satan, who is just an angel of God. Nathan, I have always heard that angels cannot disobey god because they have no free will. This would contradict the belief that Satan (who was an angel) then had the ability to disobey God. Someone is wrong. Either angels don't have power to disobey and that includes Satan, or angels can disobey and that means all of them. Which is it? If God created angels to only be good and they have no power to disobey, does this mean that God is not all powerful since one of his angels somehow found the power to disobey? its obvious angels have free will for satan choose to rebel against God, i imagine that the threshold for disobedience is much higher than ours though...
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