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Post by rational on Oct 29, 2014 14:27:00 GMT -5
Here is some of the data you would like people to believe. Does anything in this written report leap out? See why these people would rather use YouTube than put what they believe into text. View Attachment You lost me with your article, what is your point? AND what it has to do with Harley testimony about meeting with Valiant Thor in 1957 as a second Source? Harley Byrd article wasn't a Ytube. I showed you the Second source. What do you have to say?The clip I showed was written by your second source, Harley Andrew Byrd. He claimed he breathed on the moon. That it has an atmosphere. That the sky was yellow. He even picked out the exact color from a color card. All false. He lied because in the late 50s no one had been to the moon and satellites had not yet been there taking photos and measuring the conditions. He made a living by selling trinkets, CDs, and copies of his books at UFO shows. If he could verify half the things he claimed there wouldn't be an industry in the world who wouldn't want him on staff. But he had absolutely nothing to offer anyone that has anything to do with reality.
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Post by rational on Oct 29, 2014 14:53:28 GMT -5
The clip I showed was written by your second source, Harley Andrew Byrd. He claimed he breathed on the moon. That it has an atmosphere. That the sky was yellow. He even picked out the exact color from a color card. All false. He lied because in the late 50s no one had been to the moon and satellites had not yet been there taking photos and measuring the conditions. He made a living by selling trinkets, CDs, and copies of his books at UFO shows. If he could verify half the things he claimed there wouldn't be an industry in the world who wouldn't want him on staff. But he had absolutely nothing to offer anyone that has anything to do with reality. Maybe, Harley Bryd is NOT lying about been to the moon whenever that time was. Harley Byrd, was one of the members of the Blue Book Project in 1960s. No, NathanB, Harley was lying because he never dreamed he would be found out. 1) There is no atmosphere on the moon. He said there was. 2) He could not breath on the moon. He claimed he did. 3) He claimed the sky on the moon was yellow. It is not. 4) He claimed there was wind. There is not. The only wind was the hot air that Harley was publishing and selling at little UFO Fairs to gullible people.
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Post by rational on Oct 29, 2014 16:29:33 GMT -5
Let me ask you again, Rational.... who wrote the moongate book you posted? The article you posted on the moongate doesn't mention Harley Bryd in the article. Did you pick Harley Bryd name out on top of your head? You are right. It was my mistake. That was an accounting of what Howard Menger said about his trip to the moon. I get the people mixed up - they are all interchangeable. The piece I posted was written by William L. Brian II. But you are right - it was Menger's story and not Byrd's that was related in the copy. This is Harley Byrd's claim: Dr. Harley Byrd, or just plain "Harley" as he prefers to be called, claimed that when he presented his grandmother (the Admiral's wife) with the flag (the one that was draped over "the Admiral's" coffin) as is customary, she, at grave side at the Arlington National Cemetary and with new's camera's rolling, walked over to the coffin, it being still partly open, rummaged around in the inside breast pocket of the jacket "the Admiral" was wearing and pulled a manilla envelope out of this pocket and walked back over to Harley (the grandson) and handed it to him. Upon receiving said envelope, Harley, a bit embarrassed, not knowing what was in it slipped it into his pocket to be looked at later. What was in the envelope? Well none other than *the Secret Log* of the Admiral's first trip to the North Pole in 1927. Ever been to a military funeral? Ever seen a flag draped on a coffin that was not closed? Ever seen an open casket at grave side? And the wife going through the pockets of the deceased at graveside? A family member delivering the folded flag? Does this sound correct to you? Or did you mean the Harley Byrd who claimed to be the Admiral's nephew? But then NathanB, if you want to believe these hucksters who have been taking money from the gullible you have that right. The lies and distortions can be pointed out by many people but you seem to have too great an investment in these stories to be objective. Good luck.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 30, 2014 15:27:58 GMT -5
You are right. It was my mistake. That was an accounting of what Howard Menger said about his trip to the moon. I get the people mixed up - they are all interchangeable. The piece I posted was written by William L. Brian II. But you are right - it was Menger's story and not Byrd's that was related in the copy. This is Harley Byrd's claim: Dr. Harley Byrd, or just plain "Harley" as he prefers to be called, claimed that when he presented his grandmother (the Admiral's wife) with the flag (the one that was draped over "the Admiral's" coffin) as is customary, she, at grave side at the Arlington National Cemetary and with new's camera's rolling, walked over to the coffin, it being still partly open, rummaged around in the inside breast pocket of the jacket "the Admiral" was wearing and pulled a manilla envelope out of this pocket and walked back over to Harley (the grandson) and handed it to him. Upon receiving said envelope, Harley, a bit embarrassed, not knowing what was in it slipped it into his pocket to be looked at later. What was in the envelope? Well none other than *the Secret Log* of the Admiral's first trip to the North Pole in 1927. And Where did you get this information? I would like to see it for myself. Thanks.Ever been to a military funeral? Ever seen a flag draped on a coffin that was not closed? Ever seen an open casket at grave side? And the wife going through the pockets of the deceased at graveside? A family member delivering the folded flag? Does this sound correct to you? Or did you mean the Harley Byrd who claimed to be the Admiral's nephew? Ahhhhh.... I read and answered these questions before about a month ago, it was written by a guy goes by the name Cmdr. Val Thor.... Did you Rational, post under the name of Cmrd. Val Thor by any chance, Rational.
Could it be that someone might be cutting & pasting stuff like you do so much, Nathan? Could be anyone.
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Post by rational on Oct 30, 2014 15:52:13 GMT -5
Ahhhhh.... I read and answered these questions before about a month ago, it was written by a guy goes by the name Cmdr. Val Thor.... Did you Rational, post under the name of Cmrd. Val Thor by any chance. ;) I don't follow all of the science fiction posts. I happened across what I posted by doing a short search using the name "Harley Bryd" and pulled it off a one of the hits on the first page. It was one associated with the Art Bell show so I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it. It makes about as much sense as the rest of it - none.
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Post by rational on Oct 30, 2014 17:47:53 GMT -5
I don't follow all of the science fiction posts. I happened across what I posted by doing a short search using the name "Harley Bryd" and pulled it off a one of the hits on the first page. It was one associated with the Art Bell show so I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it. It makes about as much sense as the rest of it - none. Could you answer my question, Rational. Did you post under another name Cmrd Val Thor? Thanks.Wouldn't make Valiant Thor upset? I have not posted as user 'Cmrd Val Thor'.
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Post by rational on Oct 30, 2014 22:58:40 GMT -5
Wouldn't make Valiant Thor upset? I have not posted as user 'Cmrd Val Thor'. Thanks, Rational.. because Val Thor was posting similar things in your post about Harley Bryd was a grandson of the late admiral 2 stars general and NOT his Nephew. So, I showed Val Thor the information that Harley Bryd was his Nephew NOT a grandson of Admiral Richard Byrd. Being the nephew would mean he was the offspring of Admiral Richard Byrd's brother, Harry F. Byrd. There were 3 sons: Harry F. Byrd, Jr., Bradshaw Byrd, and Richard Byrd. I don't see a Harley. I missed where you showed Valiant Thor how Admirable Byrd was related to Harley Byrd. It would seem that Valiant Thor and I were digging through the same can of trash. It is no surprise that we located the same garbage.
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Post by rational on Oct 31, 2014 0:07:02 GMT -5
Being the nephew would mean he was the offspring of Admiral Richard Byrd's brother, Harry F. Byrd. There were 3 sons: Harry F. Byrd, Jr., Bradshaw Byrd, and Richard Byrd. I don't see a Harley. I missed where you showed Valiant Thor how Admirable Byrd was related to Harley Byrd. It would seem that Valiant Thor and I were digging through the same can of trash. It is no surprise that we located the same garbage. No answer to the question explaining how Harley was related to the Admiral Byrd. Come on Nathan. Don't post more from Stranges. How is Harley related?
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Post by bubbles on Oct 31, 2014 6:13:54 GMT -5
Cmdr ...lol I found this thread amusing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 8:15:03 GMT -5
Venus, huh? Gets pretty hot there, and the atmospheric pressure is worse than a pressure cooker. Earth would be seen to a Venusian like we would look upon Mars. Simply put - there's no evidence of life on Venus, and if there was, it could not live on Earth.
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Post by rational on Oct 31, 2014 10:49:03 GMT -5
Come on Nathan. Don't post more from Stranges. How is Harley related? Here is from the horses mouth Harley Byrd. The guy who wrote Harley Bryd was the grandson of the late Admiral Richard Byrd, made a mistake by calling him grandson. Harley's father is a brother to the late Admiral Richard Byrd.And I don't trust what comes out of that mouth any more than I trust what comes out of the other end. The admiral had 1 son. That son had three male children. None of them were named Harley. So where did this nephew come from?
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Post by bubbles on Oct 31, 2014 11:16:54 GMT -5
Ken Johnson supervisor data/photo control dept during Apollo missions worked for Company contracted to NASA. He told "Who built the moon ,"author Alan Butler the moon not only rang like a bell, but the whole moon wobbled in such a precise way that it was almost like it had a gigantic hydraulic damper struts inside it.
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Post by snow on Oct 31, 2014 12:08:34 GMT -5
Venus, huh? Gets pretty hot there, and the atmospheric pressure is worse than a pressure cooker. Earth would be seen to a Venusian like we would look upon Mars. Simply put - there's no evidence of life on Venus, and if there was, it could not live on Earth. The Venusians. Valiant Thor and His people DON'T live on the surface of Venus but interior of the planet.~~ Dr. Frank Stranges Journey to the Planet Venus on Victor One space ship of Commander Valiant Thor [STELLA]A spacecraft named Victor One is made ready for a journey through space. The people on board look forward to a visit to their home planet. The visitors also look forward with great anticipation to the trip. The Commander gives the word. Vice Commander Teel has already programmed the onboard computer with the proper calculations that will transport everyone to the planet Venus. Many sides of Victor One are suddenly transparent as people are seated comfortably observing the events that follow. The ship rises slowly at first, and heads for the blue sky above leaving Lake Mead disappearing from sight far below. SPACE As Victor One picks up speed, the pilot, who is operating the controls with his mind, maintains a precise course for the distant planet. The truth is that his mind must remain on piloting the ship. To allow anything else to enter his mind would indeed throw the ship completely off course. The journey is rather brief as the ship travels through the darkness. The stars in the vast distance testify of the wonder of it all. One could elect to view vast distances through the onboard equipment designed for that specific purpose. Communication is established with the planet as the ship draws closer to the opening in the northern portion of Venus. It then plunges downward through the deadly methane gases surrounding Venus. The temperatures have been calculated to be over 800°F. Victor One dives through the opening with no difficulty.ARRIVING IN VENUSUpon landing, Victor One is made secure. Coming down the ramp, all smiles, is the Commander followed by his officers and visitors. Warm greetings are expressed and accompanied by hugs and kisses. It is almost like a homecoming event. Everyone is happy and joyous. The temperature is about 72°. The Central Sun is shielded by a protective covering, which prevents severe exposure. The buildings are lighted with multiple colors. Vehicles small and large are cruising through the air. They are surrounded by a medium force field that prevents them from colliding against each other. We are invited to a special meeting followed by a banquet. Needless to say, our friends from space — especially Vice Commander Donn — have a healthy appetite. We sit comfortably at a large round table and are waited upon by young men and women who have requested this privilege to serve the Commander and his friends. The table is colorfully decorated with beautiful flowers, some of which turned color when touched by human hands. It appears that much planning was exercised in making our visit, one to be long remembered. THE BUILDINGSThe buildings consist of offices as well as dwelling places. The parliament buildings are completely surrounded by fountains of colorful water. There are also a number of waterfalls that dot the area. The tallest building, is the Government Seat where the Council of Twelve rules with Love and Peace. Waterfalls and many colorful fountains also surround it. Not too many vehicles are parked in the area, only those that are marked by the official seal of the Government. We enjoy the pleasure of meeting the various members of the Council of which Commander Valiant Thor is a member.
The Supreme Head of the Council is dressed in a robe bearing the colors of Gold and Purple with a bit of Red and White. It is truly a sight to behold. The remaining members of the Council also appear in full dress colors celebrating our visit. The other buildings, which are dwelling places, represent a series of apartments. Another section of the City is dotted with beautiful two and three-bedroom homes. A body of reflective water touches almost all of them. The Commander Thor’s house is appointed with a lake directly in front with a small stream running along two sides of his home. The rear of the home is equipped with a fireplace and beautiful garden area in which is found a medium-size Meditation Garden. This is one of the most famous resting spots appreciated especially by Dr. Lee. Dog also takes great delight in this particular area of the house. THEIR DAILY LIVESInasmuch as the Venusians only require about one or two hours sleep per twenty four hours, they have much time for relaxation, sports, companionship with neighbors, and of course, shopping. Whenever a special meeting is called, they all attend expecting wonderful information to be shared with them. Their work consists of a few hours either spent at their respective offices or else in other Government activities. There are no police or fire departments required. They teach and train their children at home. There are times, however, when the central education office will broadcast into the homes with special lessons for children of all ages. Those in charge of government offices are occupied with certain responsibilities, which often include the participation and cooperation of their families. They all enjoy such activities as concerts, picnics, lectures (from visitors as well as their own people), movies, etc. The fauna and flora of the planet testify of the greatness and colorful imagination of the Divine Creator. The colors of the plants and flowers along with the many waterways are deep and rich, also warm and inviting. This is one planet that has been truly blessed in every manner of the word.
WE MUST NOW LEAVEFollowing several meetings with the Council of Twelve, the Commander has issued the word that we must return to our home planet. Of course, this is most difficult to do. However, we all have loved ones, along with responsibilities that must be attended to on Earth. With the knowledge of the possibility of a return trip, we reluctantly return to Victor One for the journey home following another series of warm hugs and kisses. Upon boarding the craft, we look back at the smiling faces of the Venusians knowing full well that this visit will not soon be forgotten. We assume our seats, relax and return home. Victor One rises through the narrow passageway at the top of the planet and we head for home. I do hope and pray that you had enjoyed his brief trip to the planet Venus. Your comments are always welcome. The article presented here is from a past issue of the monthly newsletter entitled The Interspace Link. You are invited to share this information with others, but kindly acknowledge copyright and keep this article intact. © Dr. Frank E. Stranges www.nextagemission.com/venus.htmlNathan, if the surface is hot, just think how hot and dry the interior would be. You need to take some courses in Geology. Well to start with anyway. You wonder why people question these things you post. It's because they are not physically possible. The universe is a uniform place. If something can survive on Venus, it has to be a totally alien life form that could never survive on earth. Don't you understand that? I know you think they lived underground, but it doesn't make enough difference. They simply could not survive. Either that or they could not survive here. You can't have it both ways.
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Post by snow on Oct 31, 2014 14:28:36 GMT -5
Nathan, if the surface is hot, just think how hot and dry the interior would be. You need to take some courses in Geology. Well to start with anyway. You wonder why people question these things you post. It's because they are not physically possible. The universe is a uniform place. If something can survive on Venus, it has to be a totally alien life form that could never survive on earth. Don't you understand that? I know you think they lived underground, but it doesn't make enough difference. They simply could not survive. Either that or they could not survive here. You can't have it both ways. You're thinking from a human point of view and understanding. The earth is hollow just like Venus. There have been ET beings living in the inner earth, Venus and other planets for millions of years. Exploration of the interior Hollow earth by Admiral Richard Byrd in 1957. He traveled 17 miles by plane in the hollow interior earth, he saw lakes, rivers, Lands, water, green vegetation, cities, historical animals, ET beings live 8 miles underground, in the hollow earth www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjpLlpmQSWE (part I,II) Very interesting information www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXnAwTbzYgM&[/quote]Here is a link regarding the interior of Earth. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_(geology)Now tell me how it is possible for what you say Byrd says he did. Where is there an opening in the earth that is large enough to fly a plane into? If there is such an opening why have satellite pictures not found it? Why wouldn't anyone know about it. It would have to be quite a large opening to accommodate a plane Nathan.
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Post by snow on Oct 31, 2014 15:08:12 GMT -5
Actually, the flat earth is not something that was taught like most people think. Not for a very long time anyway. Everyone says Columbus was supposed to sail off the edge of the world, but that's not accurate at all. He never thought that. He just didn't foresee that there would be a huge continent between him and the Indies.
Here are some reasons why the earth cannot be hollow, taken from Wiki.
Contrary evidence - Seismic
The picture of the structure of the earth that has been arrived at through the study of seismic waves[47] is quite different from the hollow earth theory. The time it takes seismic waves to travel through around the Earth directly contradicts a hollow sphere. The evidence indicates that the Earth is filled with solid rock (mantle and crust), liquid nickel-iron alloy (outer core), and solid nickel-iron (inner core).[48]
Gravity
Another set of scientific arguments against a hollow Earth or any hollow planet comes from gravity. Massive objects tend to clump together gravitationally, creating non-hollow spherical objects such as stars and planets. The solid sphere is the best way in which to minimize the gravitational potential energy of a physical object; having hollowness is unfavorable in the energetic sense. In addition, ordinary matter is not strong enough to support a hollow shape of planetary size against the force of gravity; a planet-sized hollow shell with the known, observed thickness of the Earth's crust, would not be able to achieve hydrostatic equilibrium with its own mass and would collapse.
Someone on the inside of a hollow Earth would not experience a significant outward pull and could not easily stand on the inner surface; rather, the theory of gravity implies that a person on the inside would be nearly weightless. This was first shown by Newton, whose shell theorem mathematically predicts a gravitational force (from the shell) of zero everywhere inside a spherically symmetric hollow shell of matter, regardless of the shell's thickness. A tiny gravitational force would arise from the fact that the Earth does not have a perfectly symmetrical spherical shape, as well as forces from other bodies such as the Moon. The centrifugal force from the Earth's rotation would pull a person (on the inner surface) outwards if the person was traveling at the same velocity as the Earth's interior and was in contact with the ground on the interior, but even the maximum centrifugal force at the equator is only 1/300 of ordinary Earth gravity.
Density
Based upon the size of the Earth and the force of gravity on its surface, the average density of the planet Earth is 5.515 g/cm3, yet typical densities of surface rocks are only half that (about 2.75 g/cm3). If any significant portion of the Earth was hollow, the average density would be much lower than that of surface rocks. The only way for Earth to have the force of gravity that it does is for much more dense material to make up a large part of the interior. Nickel-iron alloy under the conditions expected in a non-hollow Earth would have densities ranging from about 10 to 13 g/cm3, which brings the average density of Earth to its observed value.
Direct observation
The deepest hole drilled to date is the Z-44 Chayvo oil well which is 12,376 m (40,604 ft)[49] deep, part of the Exxon Neftegas Sakhalin-I project; thus, visual knowledge of the Earth's structure extends that far.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 15:37:51 GMT -5
Nathan, it has been my observation that people who believe in "just about anything" have no grounding or interest in science.
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Post by snow on Oct 31, 2014 16:49:22 GMT -5
What do you base that on Nathan? What possible reason would anyone have to tell the public things that can be verified themselves. The government is doing a huge cover up? Scientists all around the world would know. They wouldn't allow the government to hide things like the composition of the earth. How gravity would affect a hollow earth etc. Talk to any geologist Nathan and they will tell you the same thing. Our earth is not hollow, seismic waves have determined that and many other processes also. Have you asked any of these guys proclaiming a hollow earth how it would work and how it would effect the rest of how earth works? Gravity etc
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Post by snow on Oct 31, 2014 17:33:48 GMT -5
Well Nathan, if you believe conspiracy theories over regular scientific reports, there is nothing anyone can do to show you the truth.
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Post by rational on Oct 31, 2014 23:26:25 GMT -5
And I don't trust what comes out of that mouth any more than I trust what comes out of the other end. The admiral had 1 soncorrection - brother. That son had three male children. None of them were named Harley. So where did this nephew come from? Why? can't you understand this... Harley Byrd is Admiral Richard Byrd brothers or sister's son so that make him a Nephew NOT a grandson. I can't find Harley's name on Admiral Richard Byrd's grandsons list.
Well, we know the admiral had one brother. We know that brother had three sons. We know that none of these sons was named Harley. If the admiral's sister was married, her children would not have the last name Byrd. So we are back to the question: One brother that could have had offspring that would have been nephews. That brother has 3 sons. None of them were named Harley. Where did the claimed nephew of Byrd, Harley, come from?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 1, 2014 0:36:22 GMT -5
Well, we know the admiral had one brother. We know that brother had three sons. We know that none of these sons was named Harley. If the admiral's sister was married, her children would not have the last name Byrd. So we are back to the question: One brother that could have had offspring that would have been nephews. That brother has 3 sons. None of them were named Harley. Where did the claimed nephew of Byrd, Harley, come from?
Who knows!
I know one thing his name is Harley Bryd and he was there when Valiant Thor arrived at the Pentagon 1957-60. He was one of the men who questions Valiant Thor's back ground, and where he came from. WHO KNOWS!?
Good grief, Nathan! You have been publishing here all about what Harley Bryd knew & now you say, "WHO KNOWS" who he is?
Here you posted:"Here is from the horses mouth Harley Byrd. The guy who wrote Harley Bryd was the grandson of the late Admiral Richard Byrd, made a mistake by calling him grandson. Harley's father is a brother to the late Admiral Richard Byrd." and posted this:Why? can't you understand this... Harley Byrd is Admiral Richard Byrd brothers or sister's son so that make him a Nephew NOT a grandson. I can't find Harley's name on Admiral Richard Byrd's grandsons list.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 1, 2014 0:45:03 GMT -5
Well Nathan, if you believe conspiracy theories over regular scientific reports, there is nothing anyone can do to show you the truth. I've showed you many evidences, of the hollow earth but you keep on believing what you have been taught, the earth core is solid. You refused to believe the truth I have shown you. I once believe like you do, the earth core is solid and too hot for anyone to live there. Well, I was wrong. Actually, Nathan, you have shown us NO scientific evidence, -but in fact a lot of crap that actually go against the physics of science.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 1, 2014 12:47:38 GMT -5
Actually, Nathan, you have shown us NO scientific evidence, -but in fact a lot of crap that actually go against the physics of science. hmmmmmmm.... You mentioned many times in the past that you had me on your Ignore list and somehow, you keep on answering my posts all the time. Do you have a third EYE in the middle of your head so that you can read my posts? WOW! that goes against the physics of science physics of science physics of science for sure. The Third eye. Actually I do have a third eye lurking about . It is the one that belongs to someone else who is answering a post of yours, which of course incorporates your post into theirs.
So you see that doesn't go against science at all
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Post by snow on Nov 1, 2014 15:47:40 GMT -5
Some say Harley Bryd is a nephew; some say Harley Bryd is the grandson.... Who cares. ALL I know for sure is Harley Bryd was one of the Pentagon officials who interview Valiant Thor from 1957-60. If they got that wrong, what else did they get wrong Nathan?
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Post by Lee on Nov 1, 2014 17:00:10 GMT -5
This is a real treat to watch expert witnesses for the case for evolution contend with expert witnesses of the indisputable truths of aliens and a hollow earth.
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Post by Lee on Nov 1, 2014 17:04:56 GMT -5
I work for the county. The typical employee works at about 1/4 capacity. If this isn't interesting to the public, there's no telling what else is flying under the radar.
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Post by Lee on Nov 1, 2014 17:06:30 GMT -5
Nathan, I haven't read all of your posts.
Briefly ... how are aliens relating to Satan?
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Post by Lee on Nov 3, 2014 12:40:31 GMT -5
Briefly, briefly .... Nathan. LOL
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Post by Lee on Nov 3, 2014 12:42:10 GMT -5
The Bible seems inadequate to address the different life forms you speak of.
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