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Post by déjà vu on Oct 18, 2014 9:50:48 GMT -5
What do you consider the greatest threat to Christianity ? Islam , liberalism, apathy of Christians ,
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Post by Greg on Oct 18, 2014 11:47:58 GMT -5
What do you consider the greatest threat to Christianity ? Islam , liberalism, apathy of Christians , Information.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 13:19:17 GMT -5
What do you consider the greatest threat to Christianity ? Islam , liberalism, apathy of Christians , all of the above equally...
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Post by bubbles on Oct 18, 2014 15:21:39 GMT -5
To threaten the kingdom of god you would have to be on the dark side of goodness.
It would be impossible for darkness to succeed.
Light penetrates darkness.
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Post by déjà vu on Oct 18, 2014 17:40:06 GMT -5
to bad most men prefers darkness over light
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 17:48:32 GMT -5
What do you consider the greatest threat to Christianity ? Islam , liberalism, apathy of Christians , all of the above equally... Yes Wally, you are probably right, but I would suggest another probable one - future scientific discoveries???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 20:14:41 GMT -5
What do you consider the greatest threat to Christianity ? Islam , liberalism, apathy of Christians , simply put, man
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Post by xna on Oct 19, 2014 18:23:56 GMT -5
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Oct 19, 2014 18:33:52 GMT -5
fundamentalism
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Post by rational on Oct 19, 2014 20:50:39 GMT -5
What do you consider the greatest threat to Christianity ? Islam , liberalism, apathy of Christians , When you say 'threat' do you mean some how destroying god? Or do you mean turning the tide on beliefs like when the christians started 'converting' the pagans? Can Islam do that? Maybe when reality sets in.
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 21, 2014 11:01:12 GMT -5
What do you consider the greatest threat to Christianity ? Islam , liberalism, apathy of Christians , Spiritual Blindness
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 21, 2014 14:30:27 GMT -5
all of the above equally... Yes Wally, you are probably right, but I would suggest another probable one - future scientific discoveries??? I agree, partaker.
Scientific discoveries has been the cause of the demise of the gods.
When science discovers what really caused something to happen, the god that been in the gap just quietly slips away.
What is it that science does, bubbles? Shines the light of knowledge into the darkness.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 21, 2014 18:27:36 GMT -5
Diet Can you explain please.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 21, 2014 18:30:07 GMT -5
Yes Wally, you are probably right, but I would suggest another probable one - future scientific discoveries??? I agree, partaker.
Scientific discoveries has been the cause of the demise of the gods.
When science discovers what really caused something to happen, the god that been in the gap just quietly slips away.
What is it that science does, bubbles? Shines the light of knowledge into the darkness.
My brain is wired differently. When scientists make breakthroughs how will you respond if science confirms anything you dont currently accept as truth?
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Post by snow on Oct 21, 2014 19:31:22 GMT -5
I agree, partaker.
Scientific discoveries has been the cause of the demise of the gods.
When science discovers what really caused something to happen, the god that been in the gap just quietly slips away.
What is it that science does, bubbles? Shines the light of knowledge into the darkness.
My brain is wired differently. When scientists make breakthroughs how will you respond if science confirms anything you dont currently accept as truth? That's the thing about science though. It is a method or process, not a finished knowledge. If the scientific method is used and the old knowledge is falsified with new knowledge, then it's easy to accept the new knowledge because we trust the process. Science makes a statement about what the most likely outcome is and then sets about to see if they can prove it wrong. If they can then the new finding stands until it is proven wrong. This is the way we slowly discover the way things work. Religion works the opposite way. Someone has decided on the 'truth' and then they work hard at negating any evidence found that proves it wrong. That is why I can't trust religious doctrine.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Oct 21, 2014 19:57:47 GMT -5
Diet Can you explain please. I feel like the rise of fundamentalism really took Christianity off course. Fundamentalists, by their very nature, go over the top and become the public face of Christianity. It chases new prospects away (who simply can't make sense of the wacky things fundamentalists insist upon) and it embarrasses the remaining Christians. Just go to any amateur public forum about Christianity in general. Everybody who isn't a Christian thinks all Christians believe mankind and dinosaurs existed side-by-side. Thanks a lot for that, you nutty vocal fundamentalists, lol.
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Post by déjà vu on Oct 21, 2014 20:27:15 GMT -5
a good description of Christian fundamentalism
Main article: Christian fundamentalism
See also: Evangelicalism
Fundamentalism as a movement arose in the United States, starting among conservative Presbyterian theologians at Princeton Theological Seminary in the late 19th century. It soon spread to conservatives among the Baptists and other denominations around 1910 to 1920. The movement's purpose was to reaffirm key theological tenets and defend them against the challenges of liberal theology and higher criticism.[11]
The term "fundamentalism" has its roots in the Niagara Bible Conference (1878–1897), which defined those tenets it considered fundamental to Christian belief. The term was popularized by the The Fundamentals, a collection of twelve books on five subjects published in 1910 and funded by the brothers Milton and Lyman Stewart. This series of essays came to be representative of the "Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy", which appeared late in the 19th century within some Protestant denominations in the United States, and continued in earnest through the 1920s. The first formulation of American fundamentalist beliefs can be traced to the Niagara Bible Conference and, in 1910, to the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church, which distilled these into what became known as the "five fundamentals":[12] Biblical inspiration and the inerrancy of scripture as a result of this Virgin birth of Jesus Belief that Christ's death was the atonement for sin Bodily resurrection of Jesus Historical reality of the miracles of Jesus
By the late 1910s, theological conservatives rallying around the Five Fundamentals came to be known as "fundamentalists". In practice, the first point regarding the Bible was the focus of most of the controversy.
Fundamentalist groups generally decline to participate in events with any group that does not share its essential doctrines. They reject the existence of commonalities with theologically related religious traditions. For instance, fundamentalist Christians are less likely to group Christianity, Islam, and Judaism as being in one Abrahamic family of religions.[13] In contrast, Evangelical groups, while they typically agree on the theology "fundamentals" as expressed in The Fundamentals, often are willing to participate in events with religious groups who do not hold to the essential doctrines.[14]
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Post by rational on Oct 22, 2014 16:09:08 GMT -5
I agree, partaker.
Scientific discoveries has been the cause of the demise of the gods.
When science discovers what really caused something to happen, the god that been in the gap just quietly slips away.
What is it that science does, bubbles? Shines the light of knowledge into the darkness.
My brain is wired differently. When scientists make breakthroughs how will you respond if science confirms anything you dont currently accept as truth? The facts dictate the truth. As long as your beliefs are based on facts instead of wishes and dreams there is no problem.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 22, 2014 16:13:46 GMT -5
Wishes and dreams sounds wishy washy and flakey. No substance. Is that honestly the way you view how I think?
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Post by rational on Oct 22, 2014 23:46:25 GMT -5
Wishes and dreams sounds wishy washy and flakey. No substance. Is that honestly the way you view how I think? They have all the substance of your faith in your belief - something that does not require either logical or material support. Why do you think wishes and dreams sounds wishy-washy and flaky?
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 23, 2014 0:54:47 GMT -5
I agree, partaker.
Scientific discoveries has been the cause of the demise of the gods.
When science discovers what really caused something to happen, the god that been in the gap just quietly slips away.
What is it that science does, bubbles? Shines the light of knowledge into the darkness.
My brain is wired differently. When scientists make breakthroughs how will you respond if science confirms anything you dont currently accept as truth? That is the joy of scientific thinking, bubbles!
There is liberation as well.
I enjoy the breakthroughs in science!
What would I do if science confirmed something that I don't currently accept as truth?
That is what I expect science to do!
To examine the evidence & come to new conclusions & give me evidence to change my mind!
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Post by bubbles on Oct 23, 2014 5:21:26 GMT -5
Wishes and dreams sounds wishy washy and flakey. No substance. Is that honestly the way you view how I think? They have all the substance of your faith in your belief - something that does not require either logical or material support. Why do you think wishes and dreams sounds wishy-washy and flaky? Probably because I dont wish.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 23, 2014 5:25:19 GMT -5
My brain is wired differently. When scientists make breakthroughs how will you respond if science confirms anything you dont currently accept as truth? That is the joy of scientific thinking, bubbles!
There is liberation as well.
I enjoy the breakthroughs in science!
What would I do if science confirmed something that I don't currently accept as truth?
That is what I expect science to do!
To examine the evidence & come to new conclusions & give me evidence to change my mind!
I enjoy the breakthroughs I get via prayer and trusting in the power of my god. It is what i expect him to do for me particulary when it involves others.That is exciting. I also enjoy the breakthroughs of scientific discovery.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 23, 2014 15:50:43 GMT -5
That is the joy of scientific thinking, bubbles!
There is liberation as well.
I enjoy the breakthroughs in science!
What would I do if science confirmed something that I don't currently accept as truth?
That is what I expect science to do!
To examine the evidence & come to new conclusions & give me evidence to change my mind!
I enjoy the breakthroughs I get via prayer and trusting in the power of my god. It is what i expect him to do for me particulary when it involves others.That is exciting. I also enjoy the breakthroughs of scientific discovery. Bubbles, how do you respond if in a breakthrough of scientific discovery, science does not confirm something that you believe to be true?
Lets say experiments by science regarding the "efficacy of prayer."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 23, 2014 15:56:17 GMT -5
What do you consider the greatest threat to Christianity ? Islam , liberalism, apathy of Christians , Spiritual Blindness Ken, this a perfect example of your many platitudes that I have been describing.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 23, 2014 16:49:29 GMT -5
I enjoy the breakthroughs I get via prayer and trusting in the power of my god. It is what i expect him to do for me particulary when it involves others.That is exciting. I also enjoy the breakthroughs of scientific discovery. Bubbles, how do you respond if in a breakthrough of scientific discovery, science does not confirm something that you believe to be true?
Lets say experiments by science regarding the "efficacy of prayer."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer
With me you will hit a brick wall because of what has happened in my life. Im walking proof that some prayer works. Until they understand spiritual dimensions, the connection between a human spirit what happens when the universal spirit is in unity with the human spirit. How the energy from our brain communicates spirit to spirit. Its a no go.JMO The whole dynamic of a power source greater than we can create is undeniably there. Understanding that is something else. Unless the universe wants us to fully understand and know we may never know. According to scripture some mysteries will not be revealed. Hey I can see how that can frustrate the heck out of an unbelievers mind. Prove it then I will believe!!! Thing is that isnt how faith works.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 23, 2014 17:20:36 GMT -5
Bubbles, how do you respond if in a breakthrough of scientific discovery, science does not confirm something that you believe to be true?
Lets say experiments by science regarding the "efficacy of prayer."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer
With me you will hit a brick wall because of what has happened in my life. Im walking proof that some prayer works. Until they understand spiritual dimensions, the connection between a human spirit what happens when the universal spirit is in unity with the human spirit. How the energy from our brain communicates spirit to spirit. Its a no go.JMO The whole dynamic of a power source greater than we can create is undeniably there. Understanding that is something else. Unless the universe wants us to fully understand and know we may never know. According to scripture some mysteries will not be revealed. Hey I can see how that can frustrate the heck out of an unbelievers mind. Prove it then I will believe!!! Thing is that isnt how faith works. Bubbles you originally ask me basically the same question as I asked you!
You asked me, "When scientists make breakthroughs how will you respond if science confirms anything you dont currently accept as truth?"
You said that you "also enjoy the breakthroughs of scientific discovery."
I asked you, "how do you respond if in a breakthrough of scientific discovery, science does not confirm something that you believe to be true?
But you didn't answer my question!
Medical studies have been done where there is NO evidence that prayer has made any difference in how quickly or if patients heal any faster if they are prayed for or not prayed for.
With that "scientific evidence" do you accept it or still believe that prayer is effective?
You just can't have it both ways, a belief that prayer actually works when medical studies showing it doesn't.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 23, 2014 19:07:33 GMT -5
I dont need to have it both ways. It isnt my mindset. I can accept Im not always right. I can also accept prayer doesnt always work. Im sure if you ask most mature doctors they too will admit a mystery to unexplained healings of patients. If the scientific study proves prayer isnt true? My answer TODAY would be its probably not time for it to be revealed. Lets face it. Positive discovery on most things that have eluded man since time began are mostly met with wonder and joy.
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