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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 18, 2014 7:35:13 GMT -5
The Power of Unity TGIF Today God Is First Volume 1, by Os Hillman 10-18-2014
"That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in Me and I am in You. May they also be in Us so that the world may believe that You have sent Me." John 17:21
What is the greatest power that allows the unsaved to make a decision for Jesus Christ? It isn't prayer, though this is important. It isn't good deeds, though deeds indicate a fruitful relationship with God. It isn't good behavior, though Christ commands us to be obedient as sons. The greatest power God's children have over darkness is unity. Jesus talked a great deal about His oneness with the Father and the importance of unity in the Body of Christ. It is the most difficult command Jesus gave to the Church, because it wars against the most evil aspect of our sin nature-independence.
In the last days we are seeing God's Spirit convict His children of the lack of unity among His Church. We are seeing God move between blacks and whites, ethnic groups, denominations, and parachurch groups. There is much work to be done. The walls of division and competition among His Body are a stench in God's nostrils. He sees the competition and the pride of ownership and weeps for the lost who cannot come to Him because they cannot see Him in His Body. When His Body is one, the unbelieving see that Jesus was sent by God. It is like a supernatural key that unlocks Heaven for the heathen soul. The key is in the hand of Christ's Church. When there is unity, there is power. Scripture tells us five will chase 100, but 100 will chase 10,000 (see Lev. 26:8). There is a dynamic multiplication factor in unity of numbers. We are a hundred times more effective when we are a unified group. Imagine what God could do with a unified Church.
Jesus prayed that we all might be one, as the Father and He are one. He wanted the same love God has for Jesus to be in each of us. When this love is in us, we are drawn to each other with a common mission. The walls fall down. The independent spirit is broken. Competition is destroyed. Satan's accusations are thwarted. Our love for each other is manifest to the world around us. Lost souls begin to seek this love that is so foreign to them.
Have you contributed to an independent spirit within His Body? Are you seeking to break down walls of competition among Christians, churches, denominations, and ethnic groups? Until we walk in the spirit of unity, we will hinder those in whom God has reserved a place in Heaven. Pray for His Church to be unified.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 7:46:23 GMT -5
Wow! A very powerful message - United in Christ we stand, divided we fall. Thanks Ken, good food for thought.if we all serve the same God, why is there so much division among us? Has anyone got the real answer to this problem? The answer must be found for our eternal benefit.
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Post by matisse on Oct 18, 2014 8:16:14 GMT -5
Welcome to the human race!
...Divisions among yourselves plus most of you seem to want to believe that you have been lifted above (separated from) the rest of us.
I forgive you....the impulses and results are completely human, as are my own.
I too, would like to co-exist with fewer divisions and less strife. I believe that we all have much more in common than not. I am not that hopeful that this will ever be widely recognized.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 9:28:39 GMT -5
We must take these kind of messages in the right spirit and meditate and ponder on them, not with a sort of "chip on the shoulder" attitude. We should all live in hope of a brighter day and not just sit back and settle for, or be contented with, an attitude of despair and defeat. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, only a failure defeats a trial.
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Post by matisse on Oct 18, 2014 10:14:39 GMT -5
We must take these kind of messages in the right spirit and meditate and ponder on them, not with a sort of "chip on the shoulder" attitude. We should all live in hope of a brighter day and not just sit back and settle for, or be contented with, an attitude of despair and defeat. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, only a failure defeats a trial. Is this intended as a "description" of me? What do you see as the "chip"?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 11:26:35 GMT -5
Matisse
Why on earth would you even think so? the fact is I don't know you and have never met you., It was meant to be a general comment .I think that you are a little over sensitive. I am sorry if you took offence, because none was intended.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 18, 2014 15:42:32 GMT -5
Welcome to the human race! ...Divisions among yourselves plus most of you seem to want to believe that you have been lifted above (separated from) the rest of us. I forgive you....the impulses and results are completely human, as are my own. I too, would like to co-exist with fewer divisions and less strife. I believe that we all have much more in common than not. I am not that hopeful that this will ever be widely recognized. Fwiw Unity works for anyone christian or none christian. Blessing is a result of the agreement. Its like a spiritual law. Not dependant on belief. Thats my experience. Giving is another and the blessing from giving.
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Post by matisse on Oct 18, 2014 15:54:06 GMT -5
Welcome to the human race! ...Divisions among yourselves plus most of you seem to want to believe that you have been lifted above (separated from) the rest of us. I forgive you....the impulses and results are completely human, as are my own. I too, would like to co-exist with fewer divisions and less strife. I believe that we all have much more in common than not. I am not that hopeful that this will ever be widely recognized. Fwiw Unity works for anyone christian or none christian. Blessing is a result of the agreement. Its like a spiritual law. Not dependant on belief. Thats my experience. Giving is another and the blessing from giving. I might choose different words, but I basically agree with you.
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Post by matisse on Oct 18, 2014 16:02:29 GMT -5
Matisse Why on earth would you even think so? the fact is I don't know you and have never met you., It was meant to be a general comment .I think that you are a little over sensitive. I am sorry if you took offence, because none was intended. No offense...I couldn't tell from your words whether you might be responding to my post and I thought it was worth asking for clarification. It's hard to know where people are coming from. Just yesterday, a different poster who doesn't know me any better than you, asserted that if I am "not willing" to call "God" my father, that I am a child of "Satan". So no, I don't believe I am being overly sensitive!
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 18, 2014 16:46:04 GMT -5
We must take these kind of messages in the right spirit and meditate and ponder on them, not with a sort of "chip on the shoulder" attitude. We should all live in hope of a brighter day and not just sit back and settle for, or be contented with, an attitude of despair and defeat. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, only a failure defeats a trial. Despair and defeat are not the only alternatives to unity with who or what ever has the "power". The freedom to be different is more powerful than conformity.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 16:47:26 GMT -5
Matisse Why on earth would you even think so? the fact is I don't know you and have never met you., It was meant to be a general comment .I think that you are a little over sensitive. I am sorry if you took offence, because none was intended. No offense...I couldn't tell from your words whether you might be responding to my post and I thought it was worth asking for clarification. It's hard to know where people are coming from. Just yesterday, a different poster who doesn't know me any better than you, asserted that if I am "not willing" to call "God" my father, that I am a child of "Satan". So no, I don't believe I am being overly sensitive! Ok, I was not aware of the post from the other poster, and that was not a very nice thing to assert to you so I can now understand your defensive stance. Best wishes to you.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 18, 2014 16:51:54 GMT -5
The Power of Unity TGIF Today God Is First Volume 1, by Os Hillman 10-18-2014 "That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in Me and I am in You. May they also be in Us so that the world may believe that You have sent Me." John 17:21 What is the greatest power that allows the unsaved to make a decision for Jesus Christ? It isn't prayer, though this is important. It isn't good deeds, though deeds indicate a fruitful relationship with God. It isn't good behavior, though Christ commands us to be obedient as sons. The greatest power God's children have over darkness is unity. Jesus talked a great deal about His oneness with the Father and the importance of unity in the Body of Christ. It is the most difficult command Jesus gave to the Church, because it wars against the most evil aspect of our sin nature-independence. In the last days we are seeing God's Spirit convict His children of the lack of unity among His Church. We are seeing God move between blacks and whites, ethnic groups, denominations, and parachurch groups. There is much work to be done. The walls of division and competition among His Body are a stench in God's nostrils. He sees the competition and the pride of ownership and weeps for the lost who cannot come to Him because they cannot see Him in His Body. When His Body is one, the unbelieving see that Jesus was sent by God. It is like a supernatural key that unlocks Heaven for the heathen soul. The key is in the hand of Christ's Church. When there is unity, there is power. Scripture tells us five will chase 100, but 100 will chase 10,000 (see Lev. 26:8). There is a dynamic multiplication factor in unity of numbers. We are a hundred times more effective when we are a unified group. Imagine what God could do with a unified Church. Jesus prayed that we all might be one, as the Father and He are one. He wanted the same love God has for Jesus to be in each of us. When this love is in us, we are drawn to each other with a common mission. The walls fall down. The independent spirit is broken. Competition is destroyed. Satan's accusations are thwarted. Our love for each other is manifest to the world around us. Lost souls begin to seek this love that is so foreign to them. Have you contributed to an independent spirit within His Body? Are you seeking to break down walls of competition among Christians, churches, denominations, and ethnic groups? Until we walk in the spirit of unity, we will hinder those in whom God has reserved a place in Heaven. Pray for His Church to be unified. So what would a merger of Catholicism, Pentecostalism, and Mormonism look like? Or are they not all considered part of His church? And I'm not being sarcastic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 17:03:17 GMT -5
We must take these kind of messages in the right spirit and meditate and ponder on them, not with a sort of "chip on the shoulder" attitude. We should all live in hope of a brighter day and not just sit back and settle for, or be contented with, an attitude of despair and defeat. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, only a failure defeats a trial. Despair and defeat are not the only alternatives to unity with who or what ever has the "power". The freedom to be different is more powerful than conformity. Yes, I can endorse that thought, but I would add that the freedom to be different must be supported by the courage to act. Some of us have the freedom but not sufficient courage to act/ resist conformity.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 18, 2014 23:34:07 GMT -5
Despair and defeat are not the only alternatives to unity with who or what ever has the "power". The freedom to be different is more powerful than conformity. Yes, I can endorse that thought, but I would add that the freedom to be different must be supported by the courage to act. Some of us have the freedom but not sufficient courage to act/ resist conformity. What we are allowed to do is better called "liberties". Unfortunately, even those people who exercise their liberties and deny them to others still are not free.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 23:53:51 GMT -5
Matisse Why on earth would you even think so? the fact is I don't know you and have never met you., It was meant to be a general comment .I think that you are a little over sensitive. I am sorry if you took offence, because none was intended. oh my gosh, no unity there not hard to understand is it not hard to understand if Christ is not ruling, Christ is the uniting spirit you ask the question [why is there so much division among us?] why? because they are not made one, one in Him, one with the Father in Him. simply not on the same page with Him when we are one in Jesus there is simply no division in spirit the belief is the same for all
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 0:01:43 GMT -5
The Power of Unity TGIF Today God Is First Volume 1, by Os Hillman 10-18-2014 "That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in Me and I am in You. May they also be in Us so that the world may believe that You have sent Me." John 17:21 What is the greatest power that allows the unsaved to make a decision for Jesus Christ? It isn't prayer, though this is important. It isn't good deeds, though deeds indicate a fruitful relationship with God. It isn't good behavior, though Christ commands us to be obedient as sons. The greatest power God's children have over darkness is unity. Jesus talked a great deal about His oneness with the Father and the importance of unity in the Body of Christ. It is the most difficult command Jesus gave to the Church, because it wars against the most evil aspect of our sin nature-independence. In the last days we are seeing God's Spirit convict His children of the lack of unity among His Church. We are seeing God move between blacks and whites, ethnic groups, denominations, and parachurch groups. There is much work to be done. The walls of division and competition among His Body are a stench in God's nostrils. He sees the competition and the pride of ownership and weeps for the lost who cannot come to Him because they cannot see Him in His Body. When His Body is one, the unbelieving see that Jesus was sent by God. It is like a supernatural key that unlocks Heaven for the heathen soul. The key is in the hand of Christ's Church. When there is unity, there is power. Scripture tells us five will chase 100, but 100 will chase 10,000 (see Lev. 26:8). There is a dynamic multiplication factor in unity of numbers. We are a hundred times more effective when we are a unified group. Imagine what God could do with a unified Church. Jesus prayed that we all might be one, as the Father and He are one. He wanted the same love God has for Jesus to be in each of us. When this love is in us, we are drawn to each other with a common mission. The walls fall down. The independent spirit is broken. Competition is destroyed. Satan's accusations are thwarted. Our love for each other is manifest to the world around us. Lost souls begin to seek this love that is so foreign to them. Have you contributed to an independent spirit within His Body? Are you seeking to break down walls of competition among Christians, churches, denominations, and ethnic groups? Until we walk in the spirit of unity, we will hinder those in whom God has reserved a place in Heaven. Pray for His Church to be unified. So what would a merger of Catholicism, Pentecostalism, and Mormonism look like? Or are they not all considered part of His church? And I'm not being sarcastic. nothing like Jesus Christ answering both questions there maybe walls of competition among Christians, churches, denominations, and ethnic groups but not among the children of God because they are one with Christ in God how many ways can one/1 be divided? how many ways has man divided their ways of serving God? thousands of ways so no longer can be one
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 4:44:29 GMT -5
There is one Almighty God, but people, believers?? Serve Him in different ways. The problem is caused by how people interpret the right and correct way of serving Him, and this is based on their understanding of, or adaptation of scriptures. It is a fact that if you ask a number of people to read a passage of scripture the chances are that they will come up with varying interpretations, and understandings. I, personally, have observed this in our Bible Studies. People tend to stick to their beliefs based on their interpretation and understanding of such. I have heard friends and workers speak on certain passages of scriptures which I found to be " far fetched." This notion of adaptation of understanding is transferred into, applied and practiced ( adoption) in religious organizations universally. That goes some way in trying to explain why there is one God but there are many existing ways to Him. Which way is right and which way is wrong? Answer: GOD KNOWS, I don't, do you know for sure? ?? This question , I think, will remain until the end of time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 5:03:12 GMT -5
Matisse Why on earth would you even think so? the fact is I don't know you and have never met you., It was meant to be a general comment .I think that you are a little over sensitive. I am sorry if you took offence, because none was intended. oh my gosh, no unity there not hard to understand is it not hard to understand if Christ is not ruling, Christ is the uniting spirit you ask the question [why is there so much division among us?] why? because they are not made one, one in Him, one with the Father in Him. simply not on the same page with Him when we are one in Jesus there is simply no division in spirit the belief is the same for all Get away Virgo, do you really believe that? Do you live in the real world or in a utopia? I challenge you to rub a worker, or for that matter one of the friends, up the wrong way and see if there is any unity or division in spirit between you at the particular time. See if they turn the other cheek and say to you "kiss it, you are forgiven., my dear brother. " If you believe that you are living in coo coo land. Please do not try it to prove me wrong though.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 19, 2014 6:32:08 GMT -5
The Power of Unity TGIF Today God Is First Volume 1, by Os Hillman 10-18-2014 "That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in Me and I am in You. May they also be in Us so that the world may believe that You have sent Me." John 17:21 What is the greatest power that allows the unsaved to make a decision for Jesus Christ? It isn't prayer, though this is important. It isn't good deeds, though deeds indicate a fruitful relationship with God. It isn't good behavior, though Christ commands us to be obedient as sons. The greatest power God's children have over darkness is unity. Jesus talked a great deal about His oneness with the Father and the importance of unity in the Body of Christ. It is the most difficult command Jesus gave to the Church, because it wars against the most evil aspect of our sin nature-independence. In the last days we are seeing God's Spirit convict His children of the lack of unity among His Church. We are seeing God move between blacks and whites, ethnic groups, denominations, and parachurch groups. There is much work to be done. The walls of division and competition among His Body are a stench in God's nostrils. He sees the competition and the pride of ownership and weeps for the lost who cannot come to Him because they cannot see Him in His Body. When His Body is one, the unbelieving see that Jesus was sent by God. It is like a supernatural key that unlocks Heaven for the heathen soul. The key is in the hand of Christ's Church. When there is unity, there is power. Scripture tells us five will chase 100, but 100 will chase 10,000 (see Lev. 26:8). There is a dynamic multiplication factor in unity of numbers. We are a hundred times more effective when we are a unified group. Imagine what God could do with a unified Church. Jesus prayed that we all might be one, as the Father and He are one. He wanted the same love God has for Jesus to be in each of us. When this love is in us, we are drawn to each other with a common mission. The walls fall down. The independent spirit is broken. Competition is destroyed. Satan's accusations are thwarted. Our love for each other is manifest to the world around us. Lost souls begin to seek this love that is so foreign to them. Have you contributed to an independent spirit within His Body? Are you seeking to break down walls of competition among Christians, churches, denominations, and ethnic groups? Until we walk in the spirit of unity, we will hinder those in whom God has reserved a place in Heaven. Pray for His Church to be unified. So what would a merger of Catholicism, Pentecostalism, and Mormonism look like? Or are they not all considered part of His church? And I'm not being sarcastic. I know you are not being sarcastic. I doubt they could merge as one church. I do think its possible with good leaders open to change that they could have combined meetings working together in the local neighborhood to fulfill the purposes of god. Some denominations can be very resistant to change with narrow vision and a desire to protect 'their church politics' at all cost. Money being a huge factor. JMO We found in an area of about 8miles half a dozen churches linked up. Did street evangelism concerts and helping the poor.
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 19, 2014 6:51:48 GMT -5
The Power of Unity TGIF Today God Is First Volume 1, by Os Hillman 10-18-2014 "That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in Me and I am in You. May they also be in Us so that the world may believe that You have sent Me." John 17:21 What is the greatest power that allows the unsaved to make a decision for Jesus Christ? It isn't prayer, though this is important. It isn't good deeds, though deeds indicate a fruitful relationship with God. It isn't good behavior, though Christ commands us to be obedient as sons. The greatest power God's children have over darkness is unity. Jesus talked a great deal about His oneness with the Father and the importance of unity in the Body of Christ. It is the most difficult command Jesus gave to the Church, because it wars against the most evil aspect of our sin nature-independence. In the last days we are seeing God's Spirit convict His children of the lack of unity among His Church. We are seeing God move between blacks and whites, ethnic groups, denominations, and parachurch groups. There is much work to be done. The walls of division and competition among His Body are a stench in God's nostrils. He sees the competition and the pride of ownership and weeps for the lost who cannot come to Him because they cannot see Him in His Body. When His Body is one, the unbelieving see that Jesus was sent by God. It is like a supernatural key that unlocks Heaven for the heathen soul. The key is in the hand of Christ's Church. When there is unity, there is power. Scripture tells us five will chase 100, but 100 will chase 10,000 (see Lev. 26:8). There is a dynamic multiplication factor in unity of numbers. We are a hundred times more effective when we are a unified group. Imagine what God could do with a unified Church. Jesus prayed that we all might be one, as the Father and He are one. He wanted the same love God has for Jesus to be in each of us. When this love is in us, we are drawn to each other with a common mission. The walls fall down. The independent spirit is broken. Competition is destroyed. Satan's accusations are thwarted. Our love for each other is manifest to the world around us. Lost souls begin to seek this love that is so foreign to them. Have you contributed to an independent spirit within His Body? Are you seeking to break down walls of competition among Christians, churches, denominations, and ethnic groups? Until we walk in the spirit of unity, we will hinder those in whom God has reserved a place in Heaven. Pray for His Church to be unified. So what would a merger of Catholicism, Pentecostalism, and Mormonism look like? Or are they not all considered part of His church? And I'm not being sarcastic. Bob I don't think you are being sarcastic! Its a question that all who put their denomination ahead of the body of Christ would ask. It points to the differences in doctrine practices and faith. However where the spirit is there is liberty from division. My experience is limited but I have been blessed to have fellowship with individuals from all the denom you mention. When focused on Christ which is the head of the body(individuals) there is no focusing on the institutions! JMT ken
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 19, 2014 6:59:03 GMT -5
oh my gosh, no unity there not hard to understand is it not hard to understand if Christ is not ruling, Christ is the uniting spirit you ask the question [why is there so much division among us?] why? because they are not made one, one in Him, one with the Father in Him. simply not on the same page with Him when we are one in Jesus there is simply no division in spirit the belief is the same for all Get away Virgo, do you really believe that? Do you live in the real world or in a utopia? I challenge you to rub a worker, or for that matter one of the friends, up the wrong way and see if there is any unity or division in spirit between you at the particular time. See if they turn the other cheek and say to you "kiss it, you are forgiven., my dear brother. " If you believe that you are living in coo coo land. Please do not try it to prove me wrong though. Partaker I know where you are coming from but you speak to individuals defending institutions. I believe there is no division in born again believers who are sprinkled throughout the denominations. Unity and fellowship with those born again is a reality not a theory. That has and is my experience today. ken
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 19, 2014 16:06:55 GMT -5
So what would a merger of Catholicism, Pentecostalism, and Mormonism look like? Or are they not all considered part of His church? And I'm not being sarcastic. Bob I don't think you are being sarcastic! Its a question that all who put their denomination ahead of the body of Christ would ask. It points to the differences in doctrine practices and faith. However where the spirit is there is liberty from division. My experience is limited but I have been blessed to have fellowship with individuals from all the denom you mention. When focused on Christ which is the head of the body(individuals) there is no focusing on the institutions! JMT ken I know what you're trying to say -- but this involves more ignoring of doctrine than agreement on doctrine. e.g. It may work for a Mormon who doesn't care about becoming a god in the afterlife talking to be talking to be talking to a Catholic who doesn't like to drink alcohol. But what does one do with the Mormon incentive to wear sacred underwear versus the requirement to drink the alcohol blood of Christ? Historically "unity" in Christ has always been to amass strength to enforce denominational norms. What about Muslims -- same God, and the same Jesus appointed to judge the world? You have a liberal and progressive concept of unity in Christ, but as in a lot of things, the more it proposes to be different the more it tends to become the same in the end.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 19, 2014 16:12:18 GMT -5
So what would a merger of Catholicism, Pentecostalism, and Mormonism look like? Or are they not all considered part of His church? And I'm not being sarcastic. nothing like Jesus Christ answering both questions there maybe walls of competition among Christians, churches, denominations, and ethnic groups but not among the children of God because they are one with Christ in God how many ways can one/1 be divided? how many ways has man divided their ways of serving God? thousands of ways so no longer can be one So what do you think I don't understand about this?
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 19, 2014 16:28:07 GMT -5
There is one Almighty God, but people, believers?? Serve Him in different ways. The problem is caused by how people interpret the right and correct way of serving Him, and this is based on their understanding of, or adaptation of scriptures. It is a fact that if you ask a number of people to read a passage of scripture the chances are that they will come up with varying interpretations, and understandings. I, personally, have observed this in our Bible Studies. People tend to stick to their beliefs based on their interpretation and understanding of such. I have heard friends and workers speak on certain passages of scriptures which I found to be " far fetched." This notion of adaptation of understanding is transferred into, applied and practiced ( adoption) in religious organizations universally. That goes some way in trying to explain why there is one God but there are many existing ways to Him. Which way is right and which way is wrong? Answer: GOD KNOWS, I don't, do you know for sure? ?? This question , I think, will remain until the end of time. I perceive that "God knows" and "Jesus is the answer" are exceptionally powerful euphemisms for "I have no idea, and I don't like talking to you about this."
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 19, 2014 17:14:37 GMT -5
The division(s) among Christians began with the introduction of "Christ" into the picture. What say?
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 19, 2014 20:56:45 GMT -5
The division(s) among Christians began with the introduction of "Christ" into the picture. What say? Bob The division among Christians began with religion and power seekers ken
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 19, 2014 21:17:24 GMT -5
Matisse Why on earth would you even think so? the fact is I don't know you and have never met you., It was meant to be a general comment .I think that you are a little over sensitive. I am sorry if you took offence, because none was intended. oh my gosh, no unity there not hard to understand is it not hard to understand if Christ is not ruling, Christ is the uniting spirit you ask the question [why is there so much division among us?] why? because they are not made one, one in Him, one with the Father in Him. simply not on the same page with Him when we are one in Jesus there is simply no division in spirit the belief is the same for all Virgo can you explain what you really mean here? Why are there divisions amongst the Fellowship then ?
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 19, 2014 21:54:02 GMT -5
The division(s) among Christians began with the introduction of "Christ" into the picture. What say? Bob The division among Christians began with religion and power seekers ken Yes, of course. And that was at the same time that "Christ" was injected into the equation. This is Christian history, supported by that the NT does not refute.
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