|
Post by rational on Oct 12, 2014 20:43:23 GMT -5
No gang rape in the bible? Try Judges 19. Sorry, that was my error. How could I forget such an uplifting biblical story as that. That would be a great topic for the children's Sunday school lesson! Thanks for pointing that out.
|
|
|
Post by irvinegrey on Oct 12, 2014 20:43:54 GMT -5
I am not in the least bit influenced by the cultural tide nor do I take the Bible with a grain of salt. It is because of my respect of the Bible as the word of God I am prepared to contend for the truths contained therein. While we know from the Bible that ‘all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God’ we also know that the Gospel of Jesus Christ offers men and women hope of deliverance through what Jesus Christ did at Calvary. As to waging an ISIS style war against those who live contrary to the Word of God I view as totally unbiblical. The early church we read of in the Book of Acts did not go into blind panic and organise protests when things were not going their way – they prayed and that is what I urge every born again believer to do. I continue to believe that God remains in control and answers prayer. Mr. Grey, here is what you said:10 Oct 2014 at 16:52 irvinegrey said: "Without equivocation we can say from Scripture that Jesus Christ would not condone or legitimise same sex marriage.
Mr. Grey! You simply CAN NOT "Without equivocation" say what Jesus Christ would or would not have done!
There are simply NO words of Jesus Christ himself in the scripture saying anything about same sex marriage!
You are simply putting words in his mouth that he never said! There is no point inn trying to build a better mousetrap when RAM answers this very well: Regarding the proscribing of same sex marriage in the Bible, a little common sense and reasoning needs to be applied in reading the following words from Jesus. Matthew 19.4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read , that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. 19.5 And said. For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they twain shall be one flesh." It is clear to me that God made man to have heterosexual relationships only, with a spouse in a marital relationship. Any other relationship is of the fallen, sinful nature which Satan introduced to corrupt God's ways.
|
|
|
Post by rational on Oct 12, 2014 20:47:34 GMT -5
There is no point inn trying to build a better mousetrap when RAM answers this very well: Regarding the proscribing of same sex marriage in the Bible, a little common sense and reasoning needs to be applied in reading the following words from Jesus. Matthew 19.4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read , that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. 19.5 And said. For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they twain shall be one flesh." It is clear to me that God made man to have heterosexual relationships only, with a spouse in a marital relationship. Any other relationship is of the fallen, sinful nature which Satan introduced to corrupt God's ways. It's like you slipped in the 'only' without any biblical support.
|
|
|
Post by faune on Oct 13, 2014 0:37:52 GMT -5
No gang rape in the bible? Try Judges 19. applesandbacon ~ Thanks for finding that story in Judges 19. By the way, does any of this description sound a bit familiar ~ like the story in Genesis 19? Do you think this was some kind of custom back then to visit the home where strangers have come to lodge at night and have their way with the visitors? How barbaric people must have been in that day! I guess not only Sodom had its welcoming committee in the evening watch, but the towns folk of Gibeah in Israel was just as wicked, too? Honestly, what a welcome home party awaited him ~ NOT!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 3:45:21 GMT -5
God created man for HIS pleasure not ours. Man was created to glorify God through obedience to his word ans living Godly lives. Any gene aberrations are of Satan which followed on from mans' fall. The genetic structure of humans has been altered by Satan? What about the alterations that produced individuals who had a better probability of surviving? Personally I do not believe sinfulness is in the genes. My comment was merely following on from what others apparently believe. The Bible is clear, "we became like gods, knowing good and evil." The truth of the matter appears to be in knowledge, either innate or acquired? When I used the term "any gene aberrations," I should have stated "if there are any gene aberrations." When Satan seeks to deceive man he knows he just can't use bad or evil to do it. He needs to use bait. Lots of it. We are lured by what appears to be good, looks good, feels good, but his sting is in the tail. These days Satan's "good" appears in many churches to be more Christian than Christ and many Christians (term used loosely) can't see any wrong in it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 3:52:35 GMT -5
There is no point inn trying to build a better mousetrap when RAM answers this very well: Regarding the proscribing of same sex marriage in the Bible, a little common sense and reasoning needs to be applied in reading the following words from Jesus. Matthew 19.4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read , that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. 19.5 And said. For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they twain shall be one flesh." It is clear to me that God made man to have heterosexual relationships only, with a spouse in a marital relationship. Any other relationship is of the fallen, sinful nature which Satan introduced to corrupt God's ways. It's like you slipped in the 'only' without any biblical support. "It is clear to me that God made man to have heterosexual relationships, with a spouse in a marital relationship. Any other relationship is of the fallen, sinful nature which Satan introduced to corrupt God's ways."
There, that's better! The "only" was a product of applying common sense and reasoning to what is obvious. My apologies.
|
|
|
Post by applesandbacon on Oct 13, 2014 6:32:23 GMT -5
Faune, that is what I was thinking. I don't think either of these passages illustrate anything about homosexuality or its inherent rightness or wrongness. It's all about using rape to dominate people, just like nowadays. Why do people debate ad nauseum about whether it's biblically OK to be gay, and don't realize that there's precious little written in the bible for or against homosexuality? The group of people the bible really condemns, from the old testament to the new, are women! Biblically, it's not OK to be a women, even a virtuous one. Check out Genesis 19 and Judges 19. And some of Paul's letters, where he demotes wives because a character in the creation story was supposedly the first sinner.
|
|
|
Post by faune on Oct 13, 2014 9:12:09 GMT -5
Faune, that is what I was thinking. I don't think either of these passages illustrate anything about homosexuality or its inherent rightness or wrongness. It's all about using rape to dominate people, just like nowadays. Why do people debate ad nauseum about whether it's biblically OK to be gay, and don't realize that there's precious little written in the bible for or against homosexuality? The group of people the bible really condemns, from the old testament to the new, are women! Biblically, it's not OK to be a women, even a virtuous one. Check out Genesis 19 and Judges 19. And some of Paul's letters, where he demotes wives because a character in the creation story was supposedly the first sinner.
applesandbacon ~ I printed that story of the Levite just to show how barbaric Old Testament (O.T.) people were in that day. It wasn't just in Sodom where violence and rape was practiced, but within Israel, too! What truly bothers me is that when people discuss homosexuality, they take verses and scenes from the O.T. to make their point. However, they seem to ignore the other gory details of how people were basically treated back in ancient times and the severity of their judgments and laws. For instance, how many people today would stone their rebellious teenager to death or punish people for being born gay by stoning to death, too? Also, as you pointed out, women were treated very poorly and were considered nothing more than property in such a patriarchal society. I just feel a lot of things were taken to extremes in the O.T. and it shouldn't be used to justify attitudes today. I personally feel people need to be more realistic in discussing homosexuality, which has been around a very long time in our society right along with heterosexuality. At least the book of Genesis vouches for that fact! The Bible is filled with numerous atrocities, especially the Old Testament, which makes comprehending a loving God behind it all hard to take in?
www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm
|
|
|
Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 14, 2014 19:06:48 GMT -5
God created man for his pleasure? No kidding. That's the real reason Jesus was killed - he and that other dude were seeing each other a little too much and were caught by some Republican jerks (yes, there were Republicans back then - Jesus called them publicans; today's people now call themselves REpublicans because they are a repeat of the publicans from 2000 years ago). True story. I read it. Black and white, it was.
Also, did you ever notice how many times men are mentioned in the book written by god . . uh, God, and not women? Duh! He liked men more. He didn't notice women unless they were needed for cooking, cleaning, or some such woman type thing. Why would a guy who is more interested in men pay any attention to women?
The artists from before bible times drew pictures of naked men on the walls. Wait a minute. Artists from before bible times. Waaaaiiiit just a bloomin' minute here. How did those pictures get on cave walls before Adam was created? . . . . . . Oh, yeah, god, er God, put them there I suppose. Or was Adam a Neanderthal? Hmmmm. Do you suppose Adam was gay too? I bet he wasn't playing with snakes before Steve was created from his rib. Or was he? So many questions, so little time. No one has ever answered these questions. No, not really. I know all the answers because I am connected to The Company. That's right. We, The Company, could share all of the knowledge of the Universe with you, but it is more fun to watch you kill each other over disagreements on trivial matters. Make room for us - we will land soon. Permanently.
|
|
|
Post by snow on Oct 14, 2014 21:24:57 GMT -5
God created man for his pleasure? No kidding. That's the real reason Jesus was killed - he and that other dude were seeing each other a little too much and were caught by some Republican jerks (yes, there were Republicans back then - Jesus called them publicans; today's people now call themselves REpublicans because they are a repeat of the publicans from 2000 years ago). True story. I read it. Black and white, it was. Also, did you ever notice how many times men are mentioned in the book written by god . . uh, God, and not women? Duh! He liked men more. He didn't notice women unless they were needed for cooking, cleaning, or some such woman type thing. Why would a guy who is more interested in men pay any attention to women? The artists from before bible times drew pictures of naked men on the walls. Wait a minute. Artists from before bible times. Waaaaiiiit just a bloomin' minute here. How did those pictures get on cave walls before Adam was created? . . . . . . Oh, yeah, god, er God, put them there I suppose. Or was Adam a Neanderthal? Hmmmm. Do you suppose Adam was gay too? I bet he wasn't playing with snakes before Steve was created from his rib. Or was he? So many questions, so little time. No one has ever answered these questions. No, not really. I know all the answers because I am connected to The Company. That's right. We, The Company, could share all of the knowledge of the Universe with you, but it is more fun to watch you kill each other over disagreements on trivial matters. Make room for us - we will land soon. Permanently. you don't happen to know Cmdr Valiant Thor do you? Being with The Company and all...
|
|
|
Post by faune on Oct 15, 2014 11:13:06 GMT -5
The boys could easily have come from men who have sex with men and also have sex with women and produce offspring. I know more than a handful of gay men who at some point in their lives had sex with women and produced little critters. And, BTW, there's a whole sub-culture of men -- African Americans, in particular -- who do not identify as gay but do identify as "men who have sex with men" -- and may have sex with women as well. That's one reason you see AIDS outreach and HIV prevention outreach explicitly targeted in some cases to "men who have sex with men, sex workers, and people who share needles." Edited to add: After I wrote this I tried a Wiki search and found this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_who_have_sex_with_menOf course that is the answer. A whole city of men who are either homosexuals or men who have sex with men and women. This is probably the most reasonable answer because it so reflects what we see in humans today. Rational ~ Well perhaps there were some of them that just liked to watch others having sex ~ like the peeping Tom's in the crowd? ;)Also, probably a number of them were bisexual, as Nathan pointed out? However, there's a remarkable similarity between the recorded event in Genesis 19 and Judges 19 of so called gang rapes of visitors in the evening from what I observed within scripture itself. Also, the people of O.T. days were pretty barbaric overall, and probably more like Attila the Hun in their practices, too? That's one good reason why I feel we should not use O.T. laws and practices regarding lifestyle as criteria for arguments today over morality. These ancient ones had practices that were totally barbaric by all standards today, even though they profess to be godly for most part and presented God as in allegiance with their actions.
|
|
|
Post by faune on Oct 15, 2014 11:21:22 GMT -5
God created man for his pleasure? No kidding. That's the real reason Jesus was killed - he and that other dude were seeing each other a little too much and were caught by some Republican jerks (yes, there were Republicans back then - Jesus called them publicans; today's people now call themselves REpublicans because they are a repeat of the publicans from 2000 years ago). True story. I read it. Black and white, it was. Also, did you ever notice how many times men are mentioned in the book written by god . . uh, God, and not women? Duh! He liked men more. He didn't notice women unless they were needed for cooking, cleaning, or some such woman type thing. Why would a guy who is more interested in men pay any attention to women? The artists from before bible times drew pictures of naked men on the walls. Wait a minute. Artists from before bible times. Waaaaiiiit just a bloomin' minute here. How did those pictures get on cave walls before Adam was created? . . . . . . Oh, yeah, god, er God, put them there I suppose. Or was Adam a Neanderthal? Hmmmm. Do you suppose Adam was gay too? I bet he wasn't playing with snakes before Steve was created from his rib. Or was he? So many questions, so little time. No one has ever answered these questions. No, not really. I know all the answers because I am connected to The Company. That's right. We, The Company, could share all of the knowledge of the Universe with you, but it is more fun to watch you kill each other over disagreements on trivial matters. Make room for us - we will land soon. Permanently. you don't happen to know Cmdr Valiant Thor do you? Being with The Company and all... Snow ~ I was thinking the same thing about eyedeetentee. He could be also be Cmdr Val Thor in disguise, being connected to the Company and all? He's surely good with his storylines, too! He's also a colorful clown! However, that's another thread that deals with our alien visitor, I believe?
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Oct 15, 2014 15:13:37 GMT -5
God created man for HIS pleasure not ours. Man was created to glorify God through obedience to his word ans living Godly lives. Any gene aberrations are of Satan which followed on from mans' fall. The genetic structure of humans has been altered by Satan? What about the alterations that produced individuals who had a better probability of surviving? It is interesting that by believing that God created man, instead of Man creating God, man-kind has created the perfect excuse he needs to do as he wants to do!
He also can judge other people, according to God ( that he has created,) as to whether the other person is right or wrong.
Then of course he can act towards that person according to how he judges them. If it ordained necessary by his God (that he has created) those people can be slaughtered.
Of course, all of his actions can also then be "justified" because God (that he had created) said to do it!
You gotta admit that mankind has been very creative!
PS: Then of course mankind also created Satan as an excuse for the times he himself erred!
Brilliant, really!
|
|
|
Post by rational on Oct 15, 2014 15:32:04 GMT -5
you don't happen to know Cmdr Valiant Thor do you? Being with The Company and all... Snow ~ I was thinking the same thing about eyedeetentee. He could be also be Cmdr Val Thor in disguise, being connected to the Company and all? He's surely good with his storylines, too! He's also a colorful clown! However, that's another thread that deals with our alien visitor, I believe?
Keep pointing at other people, Faune! I think you gave yourself up!
|
|
|
Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 15, 2014 17:58:36 GMT -5
Snow, I cannot reveal all that I know. Faune, the peeping Tom is called a voyeur. Voyeurs have a special place just beneath your window sill. I know this because I keep tabs on all voyeurs. You know, for addresses and such.
|
|
|
Post by faune on Oct 15, 2014 18:34:40 GMT -5
Snow ~ I was thinking the same thing about eyedeetentee. He could be also be Cmdr Val Thor in disguise, being connected to the Company and all? He's surely good with his storylines, too! He's also a colorful clown! However, that's another thread that deals with our alien visitor, I believe?
Keep pointing at other people, Faune! I think you gave yourself up! Rational ~ Now I'm beginning to wonder if you aren't the real Cmdr Val Thor, as you are very familiar with the alien storyline and the strange claims of our Dr. Frank Stranges? Honestly, I just took an interest when I came back on board and read that some thought I was the culprit. I'm no fan of science fiction, as Nathan well knows, and especially the Illuminati version of reptilians amongst us. By the way, I wonder if Cmdr Val Thor has those slanted eyes with slits, too? It seems about every world personality is now included in the legacy connected to this urban legend?
|
|
|
Post by faune on Oct 15, 2014 18:42:39 GMT -5
The genetic structure of humans has been altered by Satan? What about the alterations that produced individuals who had a better probability of surviving? It is interesting that by believing that God created man, instead of Man creating God, man-kind has created the perfect excuse he needs to do as he wants to do!
He also can judge other people, according to God ( that he has created,) as to whether the other person is right or wrong.
Then of course he can act towards that person according to how he judges them. If it ordained necessary by his God (that he has created) those people can be slaughtered.
Of course, all of his actions can also then be "justified" because God (that he had created) said to do it!
You gotta admit that mankind has been very creative!
PS: Then of course mankind also created Satan as an excuse for the times he himself erred!
Brilliant, really!
DMG ~ I have to admit, your scenario above sounds like a possibility, especially in regards to the Old Testament stories of the patriarchs. One thing for sure, they were a pretty barbaric people and had some strange practices regarding how to treat people of any difference amongst them along with the women, disabled, and the gays. How anybody could quote the O.T. as a guideline along the lines of morality beats me? The same chapter that speaks about stoning your rebellious teenager also speaks about stoning gays for their sexual preferences. Also, the laws regarding the treatment of those taken into captivity by the Israelites are pretty much over the top, too! I find it hard to believe that any loving Creator would make such directives? It sounds more like the leadership creating God in their own image and putting words into his mouth, IMHO? Honestly, the New Testament Jesus gives a better impression of God in the flesh than the Old Testament books and the patriarchs. JMT
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Oct 15, 2014 20:10:09 GMT -5
DMG ~ I have to admit, your scenario above sounds like a possibility, especially in regards to the Old Testament stories of the patriarchs. One thing for sure, they were a pretty barbaric people and had some strange practices regarding how to treat people of any difference amongst them along with the women, disabled, and the gays. How anybody could quote the O.T. as a guideline along the lines of morality beats me? The same chapter that speaks about stoning your rebellious teenager also speaks about stoning gays for their sexual preferences. Also, the laws regarding the treatment of those taken into captivity by the Israelites are pretty much over the top, too! I find it hard to believe that any loving Creator would make such directives? It sounds more like the leadership creating God in their own image and putting words into his mouth, IMHO? Honestly, the New Testament Jesus gives a better impression of God in the flesh than the Old Testament books and the patriarchs. JMT Well, -not really that much better; since Jesus said he was the way and & no one could come to god except through him.
According to the NT, if people don't' believe Jesus & his "resurrection" from the dead, they will go to a lost eternity.
That concept has allowed some Christians throughout history to attempt to justify the slaughter of thousands of people.
|
|
|
Post by faune on Oct 15, 2014 20:21:07 GMT -5
DMG ~ I have to admit, your scenario above sounds like a possibility, especially in regards to the Old Testament stories of the patriarchs. One thing for sure, they were a pretty barbaric people and had some strange practices regarding how to treat people of any difference amongst them along with the women, disabled, and the gays. How anybody could quote the O.T. as a guideline along the lines of morality beats me? The same chapter that speaks about stoning your rebellious teenager also speaks about stoning gays for their sexual preferences. Also, the laws regarding the treatment of those taken into captivity by the Israelites are pretty much over the top, too! I find it hard to believe that any loving Creator would make such directives? It sounds more like the leadership creating God in their own image and putting words into his mouth, IMHO? Honestly, the New Testament Jesus gives a better impression of God in the flesh than the Old Testament books and the patriarchs. JMT Well, -not really that much better; since Jesus said he was the way and & no one could come to god except through him.
According to the NT, if people don't' believe Jesus & his "resurrection" from the dead, they will go to a lost eternity.
That concept has allowed some Christians throughout history to attempt to justify the slaughter of thousands of people.
DMG ~ What people did in the name of religion in the past regarding gaining a following, didn't exactly line up with Christian teaching either. It was more a matter of control over man and giving him little choice in the matter ~ you either went along with their teachings or died for not agreeing with them! The Crusades and Inquisitions testified to this fact, too, in relation to the RCC. However, what Jesus actually taught and what the organized church required as part of their sacred traditions were two different things. Personally, I don't feel you should equate man's response to God through forced conversions as being part of God's original intentions for mankind. Unfortunately, it seems that humans have a gift for screwing up things.
|
|
|
Post by snow on Oct 16, 2014 10:56:35 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by faune on Oct 16, 2014 11:25:44 GMT -5
Snow ~ That was a very interesting video and that 13 year old boy made some really good sense, pointing out the differences between marriage rites in the Old Testament and today. Also, you cannot find any place within the gospels where Jesus made any statement specifically about homosexuality, especially when he spoke about divorce due to immorality in Matthew 19:3-12. However, since Jesus was a Jew, there's a strong possibility he shared the views of the day regarding teachings from the Torah? Although Jesus was talking about divorce between a man and his wife, presumably male and female, Matthew 19:12 might give us something to ponder further, especially the beginning reference to those who are born eunuchs and not suited for marriage due to this fact? Could it be that Jesus was actually referring to homosexuals in this reference to those born eunuchs? However, the verse continues to speak about those who are made eunuchs by men along with those who choose the lifestyle due to practice of celibacy in ministry.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19%3A3-12 Matthew 19:3-12
biblehub.com/matthew/19-12.htm Matthew 19:12
|
|
|
Post by faune on Oct 16, 2014 11:27:51 GMT -5
Rational ~ Now I'm beginning to wonder if you aren't the real Cmdr Val Thor, as you are very familiar with the alien storyline and the strange claims of our Dr. Frank Stranges? Honestly, I just took an interest when I came back on board and read that some thought I was the culprit. I'm no fan of science fiction, as Nathan well knows, and especially the Illuminati version of reptilians amongst us. By the way, I wonder if Cmdr Val Thor has those slanted eyes with slits, too? It seems about every world personality is now included in the legacy connected to this urban legend? 1) Here's a Nice picture of Commander Valiant Thor on the right. Don his brother, vice-commander in the middle. Jill a vice -commander. A Good picture of Commander Valiant Thor on the right. Don his brother, vice-commander in the middle. Jill a vice -commander. The account of Valiant Thor talked to President Eisenhower and Vice president Nixon at the Pentagon 1957.www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfvq-3ay4ng 2) Dr. Stranges book: An ET/stranger at the Pentagon. Meeting with President Eisenhower and Vice-president Nixon.www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEPLh9lD6e4By the way, Cmdr Valiant Thor is NOT a Reptilian with slanted eyes with slits. He is a created being from the planet Venus. Valiant Thor is NOT urban legend. Valiant Thor is REAL person like you and me. Nathan ~ Thanks for updating on Cmdr Val Thor not being a Reptilian with slanted eyes with slits. As you can well see, I have not kept up with the storyline regarding our alien friend.
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Oct 16, 2014 14:50:25 GMT -5
Well, -not really that much better; since Jesus said he was the way and & no one could come to god except through him.
According to the NT, if people don't' believe Jesus & his "resurrection" from the dead, they will go to a lost eternity.
That concept has allowed some Christians throughout history to attempt to justify the slaughter of thousands of people.
DMG ~ What people did in the name of religion in the past regarding gaining a following, didn't exactly line up with Christian teaching either. It was more a matter of control over man and giving him little choice in the matter ~ you either went along with their teachings or died for not agreeing with them! The Crusades and Inquisitions testified to this fact, too, in relation to the RCC. However, what Jesus actually taught and what the organized church required as part of their sacred traditions were two different things. Personally, I don't feel you should equate man's response to God through forced conversions as being part of God's original intentions for mankind. Unfortunately, it seems that humans have a gift for screwing up things. It wasn't about just "forced conversions." into Christianity.
It is the whole premise of Christianity itself; that if people don't' believe Jesus & his "resurrection" from the dead, they will go to hell!
Because of that premise, the NT doesn't give any better impression of God than the OT.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 16:44:13 GMT -5
Quote - "Snow, I cannot reveal all that I know. Faune, the peeping Tom is called a voyeur. Voyeurs have a special place just beneath your window sill. I know this because I keep tabs on all voyeurs. You know, for addresses and such."
And I wonder if Jesus is OK with voyeurs?
After all, it's in some people's nature, isn't it?
|
|
|
Post by Gene on Oct 16, 2014 18:09:07 GMT -5
Quote - "Snow, I cannot reveal all that I know. Faune, the peeping Tom is called a voyeur. Voyeurs have a special place just beneath your window sill. I know this because I keep tabs on all voyeurs. You know, for addresses and such." And I wonder if Jesus is OK with voyeurs?
After all, it's in some people's nature, isn't it?Jesus encouraged voyeurism. Matthew 26:41: "Watch and pray..."
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Oct 16, 2014 20:08:37 GMT -5
Jesus encouraged voyeurism. Matthew 26:41: "Watch and pray..."
I love ya, gene.... hahaha Careful there, Nathan!
Baer may not like that!
|
|
|
Post by rational on Oct 16, 2014 20:41:04 GMT -5
Quote - "Snow, I cannot reveal all that I know. Faune, the peeping Tom is called a voyeur. Voyeurs have a special place just beneath your window sill. I know this because I keep tabs on all voyeurs. You know, for addresses and such." And I wonder if Jesus is OK with voyeurs?
After all, it's in some people's nature, isn't it?Jesus encouraged voyeurism. Matthew 26:41: "Watch and pray..." The original translation has it as "...prey and watch."
|
|
|
Post by faune on Oct 16, 2014 22:47:29 GMT -5
DMG ~ What people did in the name of religion in the past regarding gaining a following, didn't exactly line up with Christian teaching either. It was more a matter of control over man and giving him little choice in the matter ~ you either went along with their teachings or died for not agreeing with them! The Crusades and Inquisitions testified to this fact, too, in relation to the RCC. However, what Jesus actually taught and what the organized church required as part of their sacred traditions were two different things. Personally, I don't feel you should equate man's response to God through forced conversions as being part of God's original intentions for mankind. Unfortunately, it seems that humans have a gift for screwing up things. It wasn't about just "forced conversions." into Christianity.
It is the whole premise of Christianity itself; that if people don't' believe Jesus & his "resurrection" from the dead, they will go to hell!
Because of that premise, the NT doesn't give any better impression of God than the OT.
DMG ~ I don't deny that the resurrection and transfiguration of Jesus is the crux of Christianity. If this event had not actually taken place and contributed to the gospel stories, than our faith would indeed be in vain. However, I don't believe it has been proven either way according to modern day Bible scholars and historians; but rather assumptions have been made based upon customs during that time? One of these assumptions has been that Jesus never was buried and that he was left on the cross to be devoured by scavenger birds and animals, since it was recorded to be Roman custom not to bury anybody accused of treason against the state. The only exception was if the ruling governor agreed to such due to special request of the family. In Luke's gospel, it speaks of Joseph of Armathea, a member of the Sanhedrin, making such a request of Pilate and having it granted and his laying Jesus' body within his own private tomb with the help of Nicodemius.
What's ironic here is that it was a majority decision of the members of the Sanhedrin to have Jesus arrested and crucified. However, both Joseph of Armathea and Nicodemus were both members of the Sandhedrin? In addition, the bodies of criminals and traitors were usually left to be devoured by the elements and decay upon the cross as an important lesson for others who might entertain the same intentions. As an alternative to this concept, there was also the mass grave that convicted criminals were eventually tossed into when space was needed for more crucifixions. It was not uncommon for the Romans to display these crosses with corpses still hanging on them along the main highway to Rome as a reminder to the people of their fate if they crossed the ruling powers of Rome.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Arimathea
|
|