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Post by cbs on Sept 28, 2014 6:11:13 GMT -5
Faith Lines (the original name the early workers went out under) was far closer to the mission presented in Matthew 10.
This quote from John Longs journal indicates unsectarian unity with other sects and preaching with the anticipation or excepted understanding converts would go worship in established churches in the community.
When one reads John Long's journal The early work and missions look a lot different then the missions they hold now.
<quote> Faith Lines is not free from its defects and misunderstandings; therefore, I have avoided boasting or rashly making little or despising ministers with a salary. Persons sometimes gave when they thought the Evangelist was in need; and persons sometimes withheld because the Evangelist abounded; therefore, I would commend any one on Faith Lines to let their financial side be a secret between God and themselves. The man who has courage and faith enough to go forth in dependence upon God; can be trusted with the stewardship of what he receives. It is good for the workers not to depend on man, or put too much trust in a friend. “But in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God,” Phil 4:6.</quote>
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Post by bubbles on Sept 28, 2014 7:39:49 GMT -5
Interesting. I dont recall a message about faith. The kind of faith where you trust for everything. Workers know in advance these days they will be looked after by the friends.
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Post by cbs on Sept 28, 2014 11:48:39 GMT -5
Hmmm... Then I know of several clergy not in the 2x2 sect that are going on faith lines too.
Nathan, in a few words, do you staunchly uphold the rightness of the two by twos to the exclusion of other sects and if so, why? Not sure where you stand on the issue and I have seen you go to great lengths to defend the two by twos linking them with the Waldensians even.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 28, 2014 19:06:06 GMT -5
So Nathan what is the next group going to be after the Friends & Workers ? Or are they the only ones out of the above 5 you mentioned that have it right !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 19:15:41 GMT -5
So Nathan what is the next group going to be after the Friends & Workers ? Or are they the only ones out of the above 5 you mentioned that have it right ! i don't know if there is enough time left to reform the group and do the work they have done over the years...
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 28, 2014 20:45:38 GMT -5
So how do you come to the conclusion that "~~ None. My understanding the friends and workers is the Only group until Jesus returns to subdue Satan and the fallen angels rule/gov't on the earth and in the Universe, during the 1000 reign with His chosen ones as King of kings and Lord of lord." Where does it say that in the Bible ? Also where does it say that in 1898/1900 the right way will emerge ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 28, 2014 22:04:42 GMT -5
Nathan no where is the scripture that you have quoted does it say the friends & workers are the only group. Also no where does it say that in 1900 a group of men will start a way that is the only way !
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Post by cbs on Sept 29, 2014 3:53:56 GMT -5
Thank you Nate.
When I read Jong Longs journal, I hear a completely different msg then the one preached from the platform today. This was a man on fire for Christ and wanting to bring souls to The Lord. What I heard in meetings was more of a subliminal sales pitch for the way then preaching Christ.
I have great admiration for the way the workers began early on, but when they decided to become exclusive is when they lost their power IMO. This is when they had to start defending their way rather than preaching Christ. I can't imagine too many in the work that would go out and enjoy the hardships the early workers did. It would be one thing if they were on fire for Christ but just preaching to defend a way is hard work and I think it is why so many get burned out.
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Post by xna on Sept 29, 2014 12:09:21 GMT -5
With most new movements the one seeking power & control from the incumbent has the battle cry "time for change", otherwise it's status quo. You are reminded off this in an election year. Religion and politics both are zero sum games, either you get them, or your competitor does.
The proven way to win has been, never admit you are wrong, and never agree with your competitor.
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Post by xna on Sept 29, 2014 12:48:39 GMT -5
With most new movements the one seeking power & control from the incumbent has the battle cry "time for change", otherwise it's status quo. You are reminded off this in an election year. Religion and politics both are zero sum games, either you get them, or your competitor does. The proven way to win has been, never admit you are wrong, and never agree with your competitor. God Vs. Satan/false religions/Reptilians earth rulers/gov't. TIME for a change of God's kingdom. God Vs. Satan Battles for the Souls of men and women
~~ The Ultimate War of Satan Rebellion against God STARTED in heaven on the SECOND day of creation before Adam and Eve deceived by the Serpent/Satan in the garden of Eden/Iraq 6000 years ago After the SIXTH day of Creation.
The Bible (The book of Revelation 12:7-9) John the apostle wrote: There WAS a War/Rebellion in heaven, Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon/Serpent with his/Satan angels prevail NOT; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And that great Dragon was cast out, that OLD Serpent, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him And his tail drew the THIRD part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the EARTH. The book of Jude 1: 6 And the angels who kept NOT their position of authority, but LEFT their own habitation, God has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Nathan9 Does one still have free will in heaven, or did that get changed after the first insurrection in heaven?
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Post by xna on Sept 29, 2014 14:16:29 GMT -5
Nathan9 Does one still have free will in heaven, or did that get changed after the first insurrection in heaven? I believe freewill continue in heaven. We read people continue singing, and praising God in heaven by their own freewill. once we see the beauty, peacefulness of heaven, nobody in their right minds to be with Satan and the fallen angels in outer darkness forever. One you experienced the horrible the painfulness of cancer, and recovered from it nobody wants to go through painful cancer ordeal again.I won't ask why God created cancer ( BTW 1:2 males and 1:3 females get it, been there - done that) but there is a dilemma for Christians about free will in heaven. Also brings into the question of once saved always saved - even in heaven! "Suppose they do ( have free will in heaven). In that case they are free to sin, but they choose not to – otherwise there would be sin in heaven. But if it’s possible for them to have free will and yet refrain from sinning, then why didn’t God create them that way in the first place? They would have had their free will and there would have been no evil in the world. God could have done this, but he chose otherwise. Thus God is responsible for the evil in the world." theskepticalzone.com/wp/?p=4016
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 29, 2014 20:54:48 GMT -5
Nathan no where is the scripture that you have quoted does it say the friends & workers are the only group. Also no where does it say that in 1900 a group of men will start a way that is the only way! Jesus said in Matthew 16:18-19 " And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
The 2x2 group is a continuation of Jesus 2x2 apostolic New Testament ministry and Church. Someone wrote: the lineage is Vaudois > Waldensian -> Moravian -> Wesley -> Holiness -> Faith Mission -> Friends & workers
Let me ask you this question: Do you know of any denomination/group TODAY that goes forth like Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Testament ministry and fellowship? Can you give us a name so I can check them out. Thanks.So Nathan how many workers have you spoke to that agree with your theory ? Or is it like your theory of the Henderson children & that Narelle was worshipping Satan ?
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Post by Greg on Sept 29, 2014 21:52:42 GMT -5
Nathan, did you specifically preach "God the Son" when you were a worker? Or anything similar in relating the triune God to the F&W?
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Post by Mary on Sept 30, 2014 3:12:58 GMT -5
Nathan, the Gospel message of salvation is Jesus, not some men going out 2x2. Salvation is believing Jesus died on the Cross for our sins and rose again. It is nothing to do with what man can do.
The JWs give their version of why they are the true church, The Mormons theirs. All cults give their reason of why they are the true church. They all add to the Gospel. Their message is not Jesus only, Their message is Jesus plus something..
How can a church that preaches a false Gospel be true. Saying one must follow your ministry is false because the Gospel message of Jesus is that one must follow Jesus, not men.
Your posts reflect the deception and misguided teachings of the workers who put themselves equal to Jesus and believing in them as a requirement of salvation. Belief should be in Jesus alone. How can you say Jesus only is your message if you say Jesus and us are our message.
This says it loud and clear...
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
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Post by timber on Sept 30, 2014 15:50:43 GMT -5
Its exciting to have an idea about something, but a pain in the rear end to bring it to fruition and then to keep it going. There is too much variety among people and in life to have something stay the same over the years. The 2x2s of today are different than when they first emerged. What was once declared to be true and the only right way, slowly brought in other ways and changed. This will continue to happen. why bother trying to establish the one true way?
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Post by Mary on Sept 30, 2014 16:26:35 GMT -5
Nathan, the Gospel message of salvation is Jesus, not some men going out 2x2. Salvation is believing Jesus died on the Cross for our sins and rose again. It is nothing to do with what man can do. The JWs give their version of why they are the true church, The Mormons theirs. All cults give their reason of why they are the true church. They all add to the Gospel. Their message is not Jesus only, Their message is Jesus plus something.. How can a church that preaches a false Gospel be true. Saying one must follow your ministry is false because the Gospel message of Jesus is that one must follow Jesus, not men. Your posts reflect the deception and misguided teachings of the workers who put themselves equal to Jesus and believing in them as a requirement of salvation. Belief should be in Jesus alone. How can you say Jesus only is your message if you say Jesus and us are our message. This says it loud and clear... Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: After Jesus resurrected and went back to the Father in heaven, he was no longer on the earth.
~~ How did people in the book of Acts become followers of Jesus?
~~ Who did they hear the message preached Jesus is the Way, the truth and life?
~~ Through whom did the people in the book Acts get SAVED and became part of the New Testament Church?
~~ Who brought the message of Hope and eternal life through believing in jesus to the people in Acts?Remember what Paul wrote in Romans 10:17 Faith cometh by HEARING, and HEARING the word of God.Paul went on the ask some good questions in Romans 10:13-15 The NEED of the Messengers (apostles and saints)! To deliver the Message of Hope and Eternal life believing in Jesus is the Way, the truth and life.
For “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
1) How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? 2) And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? 3)And how shall they hear without a preacher?
And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the Gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!”~~ Without the apostles and Jesus followers preach/teach the message of Hope, eternal Life through believing in Jesus Christ the Savior there would be "NO" New Testament Church!
Jesus gave them the Great Commission in Matthew 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, “All power is given unto Me in Heaven and on earth. Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.” Amen.
Matthew 16:18-19 And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.”
John 20:22-23 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said unto them, “Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whosoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosoever sins ye retain, they are retained.”
Nothing about the workers here. it applies to those who preach the Gospel, not a particular brand of style of preaching. DO you not believe that writing on this board is telling people about Jesus?
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 1, 2014 3:17:25 GMT -5
Nothing about the workers here. it applies to those who preach the Gospel, not a particular brand of style of preaching. DO you not believe that writing on this board is telling people about Jesus? ~~ The 2x2 workers are 21st century New Testament apostles. Jesus called and chosen them ... So, Romans 10 apply to them! like those in the 1st century.
Jesus said in John 17:18-23 As Thou hast sent Me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Before Jesus sent out the 12 and 70 in Matthew 10 and Luke 10 he said in Matthew 9:36-38 But when Jesus saw the multitudes, He was moved with compassion for them, because they were faint and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd. Then said He unto His disciples, “The harvest truly is plenteous, but the laborers are few. Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that He will send forth laborers into His harvest.”
God the Father and Jesus have been sending forth MORE workers/laborers in every generation since the 12 and 70. The 2x2 workers are 21st century New Testament apostles. Jesus called and chosen them So, Romans 10 apply to them! like those in the 1st century.
And that is were the difference is Nathan, I do not believe that the workers are 21st Century apostles !
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Post by cbs on Oct 1, 2014 16:57:46 GMT -5
I'm not sure too many believe this Nate. You might be among a limited number.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 1, 2014 17:28:48 GMT -5
Anyone claiming to be an apostle? I should be able to go to them ask them to enquire of god for me? Ask for healing deliverance and to be set free from any bondage. I could ask them what their vision is? How they plan on implimenting that vision? They should be able to help me in practical ways debt furniture food housing. why not? They distributed back to the needs of the people.
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