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Post by bubbles on Sept 29, 2014 0:20:09 GMT -5
To worship or salvation? I did not hear the word worship in this context in meetings. It was considered the only right way to salvation. Neither did I. In fact I didnt understand the term then. It was never discussed. Some churches sing hymns some sing songs of praise. (That was new) and some churches worship
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Post by bubbles on Sept 29, 2014 4:06:22 GMT -5
Ross I have never understood the reason for rebaptism. It has to be exclusive thinking because it isnt biblical and when I think about it it denys the power of the holy spirit in the first baptism. A family member was baptised 3 times.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 4:52:23 GMT -5
Does not make much sense, does it? You are baptised in one particular church in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit, submerged under water and you rise up from under the water a new creature in Christ. So why the need to be baptised again if you change church? The message that conveys is that the previous baptism was false and not done properly by the right people appointed/ approved by God to do it; it was therefore invalid. In my opinion an invalid baptism is one where there is no proper submerging under the water; sprinkling water on the forehead or on the head is not the way it was done in scripture-- proper submersion; e.g. John the Baptist type or with Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch.
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Post by ellie on Sept 29, 2014 7:42:08 GMT -5
So where did we get this belief from ? Was it what we heard preached or what our parents told us ? Mainly the preaching for me I think. We have one worker who seems to be a fan of reciting Ephesians 4:5 "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" to try and imply that the friends and workers are the only true way. I have also heard some scriptural interpretations that promote the ministry. For example instead of hearing the parable of the rich young ruler as a story about inheriting eternal life. I heard this parable used to explain that the conditions for the rich young ruler are conditions for preaching the gospel and that these conditions are not required for the rest of the congregation??
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Post by rational on Sept 29, 2014 8:29:58 GMT -5
How many people grew up being told that the F&W fellowship was the only true way ? That all other Churches were wrong and of the "World". That if you left the F&W fellowship that you were lost? That was the clear message. FWIW - My impression is that most denominations believe they too are the only right way. The 2x2 was / is just more in your face about the matter. I suspect the common starting point for a new denomination is; someone thinks all the other guys got it wrong. With 10s of thousands of denomination out there why would anyone attend a church that they did not feel provided the best possibility of gaining eternal life? As xna said, why would you start a new denomination unless you felt the old one had some thing(s) in error and the new one addressed those errors and therefore increased the probability that believers would, accompanied by the Valkyries, march triumphantly to Valhalla to hang out with Odin. OK, so a little different ending but the point is the same - why would anyone attend a church if they didn't think it offered the best probability of walking on those streets of gold?
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Post by rational on Sept 29, 2014 8:40:08 GMT -5
I know of a couple and their family who professed about 10 years ago. They were invited by their friends. So they changed churches. They didn't realise it was exclusive at first. When they went to their first convention they were "love-bombed" as they put it. Everyone talked about them, wanted to meet them etc. They felt embarrassed. As they continued to go to meetings, Convention etc they realised that the workers were exclusive - they didn't accept Christians outside. They didn't understand why they needed to be re-baptised as they were requested to by the workers. So they changed churches again. They are still serving Christ. Some possible reasons: churches that practice adult baptism will re-baptize those who were baptized as infants because they feel infant baptism is not biblical. Non-trinitarian movements often require (strongly suggest) re-baptism primarily because they do not accept the trinity as doctrine.
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Post by placid-void on Sept 29, 2014 9:08:32 GMT -5
How many people grew up being told that the F&W fellowship was the only true way ? That all other Churches were wrong and of the "World". That if you left the F&W fellowship that you were lost? I throw my hat into the ring along with the many others on this thread. I was raised in the belief that we (the community of F&W) were a "peculiar people". Part of the cohesion within the F&W community in which I was raised was a consequence of the conviction that the beliefs of that community were "the only true way". I am not a student of either sociology or human psychology but my sense is that both disciplines suggest a high need by the human species to express individual and/or group identity using signifiers of uniqueness. Clearly there is a gradation in how rigidly a person or group identifies with its specific unique identity. Some do so very stridently and others are much more lax in their expression of unique identity. Being an advocate of Aristotle's principle of the "golden mean", I tend to think that neither extreme (strident or lax) is to be preferred. I try to find an appropriate balance in the expression of my individual idiosyncrasies and in the social groups that I associate with. Is this tendency all genetic? I rather think not, I think that my convictions and perceptions of uniqueness are a consequence of both nature and nurture (how I was raised). Thinking about most of my social associations through the years (high school, college, employers, sports fans, political associations etc.), even the tiny rural local library where I volunteer, all strive for a bond of cohesion. Part of that cohesion is to identify points (real or fictive) of specialness or uniqueness. I have never (personally) viewed the "Christian message" as a nullification of differences (race, tribe, culture or creed). My personal understanding of that message has always been of a unity achieved through love. It is difficult for me to understand how I can "love my neighbor as myself" while focusing on differences. Isn't the point to acknowledge, appreciate and/or respect the differences and then transcend those differences with love? On a personal level, I am not prepared to castigate the F&W fellowship based on its conviction of uniqueness.
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Post by mdm on Sept 30, 2014 13:25:37 GMT -5
How many people grew up being told that the F&W fellowship was the only true way ? That all other Churches were wrong and of the "World". That if you left the F&W fellowship that you were lost? My husband and I came into the fellowship as adults. Of course, the fact that we had to 'profess' and be re-baptized in order to be part of this group speaks clearly of the belief that no other church is right and that our previous baptism had no value as it wasn't performed by the 'right' ministry. It was always clear that there was exclusivism clearly stated and implied, with some exceptions and allowances. While we personally didn't subscribe to exclusivism, we decided that being in the fellowship was worth putting up with it. (After all, this was "the only church without problems," so why not?) Exclusivism was especially noticeable and troubling when we would have non-professing family members come to meeting with us, and somebody would talk negatively about 'worldly' churches and their members. Or if we were asked in front of them to tell why we left the church they still belong to. We never taught our kids exclusivism, so when recently I told my daughter that the F&W's believe that everybody else is wrong, she was shocked. As Clearday had pointed out, it probably takes parents' input to teach and reinforce exclusivism, since in public preaching it is usually stated only subtly. A year ago, though, it was stated very clearly at our convention by a sister worker: "This is NOT just another sect!!!" I feel I should also point out that workers try to convert members of other churches. Only preachers of exclusivist churches do that. That is how we got to meet the first worker. When couple of members left the church to 'join' him, he was called by some a 'sheep stealer.' There was an outrage, because he had been received by the church as a respected guest, and most people didn't realize that his goal was to find converts. He himself, of course, did this very sincerely, believing he had something more to offer than other churches. But, he felt that this 'more' could only be gotten by joining his church.
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Post by rational on Sept 30, 2014 17:18:39 GMT -5
I feel I should also point out that workers try to convert members of other churches. Only preachers of exclusivist churches do that. That is how we got to meet the first worker. When couple of members left the church to 'join' him, he was called by some a 'sheep stealer.' There was an outrage, because he had been received by the church as a respected guest, and most people didn't realize that his goal was to find converts. He himself, of course, did this very sincerely, believing he had something more to offer than other churches. But, he felt that this 'more' could only be gotten by joining his church. Isn't this what missionaries did/do? Go out to help and convert? The protestants targeted the Catholics and the Catholics targeted the protestants - both at times using more force than one would think necessary.
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Post by xna on Sept 30, 2014 17:25:43 GMT -5
I feel I should also point out that workers try to convert members of other churches. Only preachers of exclusivist churches do that. That is how we got to meet the first worker. When couple of members left the church to 'join' him, he was called by some a 'sheep stealer.' There was an outrage, because he had been received by the church as a respected guest, and most people didn't realize that his goal was to find converts. He himself, of course, did this very sincerely, believing he had something more to offer than other churches. But, he felt that this 'more' could only be gotten by joining his church. Isn't this what missionaries did/do? Go out to help and convert? The protestants targeted the Catholics and the Catholics targeted the protestants - both at times using more force than one would think necessary. Speaking of targeting, I was just reading about the French Wars of Religion. Between 2,000,000 and 4,000,000 people were killed! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Oct 1, 2014 5:29:10 GMT -5
How many people grew up being told that the F&W fellowship was the only true way ? That all other Churches were wrong and of the "World". That if you left the F&W fellowship that you were lost? Yep. Totally.
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 1, 2014 5:38:19 GMT -5
I also grew up hearing this. What puzzles me now is that I read on TMB on another thread that some people who I think are about my age say that they have never heard this. Although only being in the same field briefly as this other dude that has never heard this we would have listened to the same workers and most likely have mutual friends through out the country. So are the F&W's not claiming this only way doctrine now or some people having selective memory loss or just plain ol lying. Just because people say they never heard it, doesn't mean they never heard it. As you rightly say, they could be suffering from selective memory loss or just plain old lying. Or they could be suffering from complete memory loss. Or delusion. Or disingenuousness. Or deafness. Or an acute form of madness. Or they could be involved in a futile attempt to re-write history or a PR exercise to paint the fellowship in a more positive light. Or they could be attempting to deflect criticism of a claim which clearly no longer stacks up. Whatever their reasons they are clearly and categorically wrong about this. It is interesting to note that those making such claims rarely provide anything of substance to back them up. They don't address the Living Witness Doctrine. Or deal with Willie Pollock's stump theory. They don't explain the endless subtle references in 2x2 preaching or the oft recited God's only true servants hogwash. They really have very little to offer up. Of course many believers here often make claims which simply do not stack up and which they cannot back up. Some even end up leaving over it. But as we all now know, believing something to be true or stating it as true doesn't make it so. Matt10 From scripture ears tthey have and hear not eyes they have and see not
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 1, 2014 5:40:49 GMT -5
Roselyn, hi You are left with two choices in this matter 1 - the foundation church in the New Testament is to be obeyed literally, or 2 - you can add, change, paste and copy, append, redact, twist or plain ignore to your heart's desire. Can all Christian churches be of God? Some Christians say "Do no harm" whilst others march to the Holy Land to slaughter the infidels and Jews. Some say "Jesus only" whilst others believe Mary ascended to heaven in her purity and we can pray to her, too. Some say "God doesn't dwell in temples made with hands" and others build soaring cathedrals. So what does God stand for if it His word isn't to be taken literally? Bert Psa 1:1 ¶ Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. ken
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Post by jscc1 on Oct 1, 2014 18:41:55 GMT -5
THIS WAY OR THAT WAY??? First of all,THE ONLY WAY AND ME??? As a little kid a monster worker paedophile (LATER SACKED but still met on Sunday in our meetings) who had started to abuse/molest me said a RADICAL thing. "When I arrive in Heaven it wont surprise me if John Wesley is there".Yet Old Irish news papers show Irvine sacked a young worker for refusing to preach that John Wesley would be burning in hell. From then on I was terrified if I died will a worker,later a second worker was added to this heavenly example, for "all" eternity get there hands on me,but as it is the "only" way you can get there. "UPDATE",David Leitch State Bishop, Organised a psychologist at great expense (PAID FOR BY FOLLOWERS) to get a ruthless WORKER paedophile Ernie.Barry off a 6 months jail sentence,knowing that police had 12 further names of victims,the same $5000 a day psychologist who is often a referee for our worst gangsters,inc Tony Mokbel.WHAT?hold has Barry over Leitch to put his neck on such a deceptive cover up of victims,interesting. No support for victims though? but if you complain to much you will be put out of the chance to go to 2x2s worker heaven. "NEXT NAME AND PROPERTY" they lie "WE HAVE NO NAME",Christian Assemblies of Australia sold valuable Dandenong Convention..Supposed intellegent workers afterwards,(lied)by denial of knowledge. By the way another Worker (Chris Chandler)is serving 6 months jail,youngest victim was 11 yrs.. Also using scripture "will He find faith on the earth when he returns",as an excuse for so small a numbers and lazy approach to spreading their unscriptural message into all communities, NO visitations is in their work descriptions. THIS THE ONLY WAY,CELIBATE PREACHER ONLY,ha ha, 1 Corinthians Ch 9,Vse 5/6//,also Ephesians 4,verse 11/12.Pastors,Teachers,Deacons,etc. NOW THE ALTERNATIVE. rlprayerbullitin.blogspot.com.au The compassion in prayer and actions to victims that comes from the wider christian community,to Street homeless,poor,sick/injured,prisoners,abused INC CSA & wives and children,those under mind control(INC CULT SECTS),refugees,food banks/kitchens,o/seas death camps as caused by ISIL and other political/religious powers and terrorists,etc,volunteers in epidemic areas,leper & aids hospitals,ALL IN THE NAME OF JESUS,never struck one 2x2 as we burried dead children or their dry mums,their husbands/dads would be dead. The stench at a refugee camp is horrid."NO ONE" puts any theological difference in the way as they work together for the one purpose than serving God and His suffering ones. Just sit down and seek out what God would have you do for those of His children of his less fortunate We were never taught to Worship,serve, fellowship,commune,with freedom and leading of the Holy Spirit. Just stop and listen to ---STUART TOWNEND COMMUNION HYMN,,,,,and HILLSONG CORNERSTONE,,,and any CHRIS TOMLIN songs---SO NOW YOU KNOW I FOUND OUT HOW TO SERVE GOD WITHOUT RESTRICTION WITH THE GREATER CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY,AND LOOSE THE "FEAR" OF BEING TRAPPED IN THE 2x2 HEAVEN WITH ACTIVE PAEDOPHILES,THAT HAD ME SCARED AS A KID, "ONLY WAY"? GOD's GRACE MY FOVOURITE GIFT,GREAT TO GIVE SOMETHING BACK.
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Post by findingtruth on Oct 1, 2014 19:27:52 GMT -5
Absolutely without a doubt the message was and still is "we are the only true fellowship. All other churches are false". Anyone debating that message is deceiving themselves. Doesn't mean everyone in the fellowship believes this but is a foundational principle of the fellowship.
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Post by jscc1 on Oct 1, 2014 22:08:28 GMT -5
Hello findingtruth,If some in the 2x2 fellowship of Irvine teachings dont believe in total exclusivism,that is a divisive split in belief,they cannot truely believe that? Can they? It is a good point you brought up. If they really were God moved to believe that they would seperate themselves immediatly and stop judging the greater worldwide Christian community as lost and going to hell,they would get out and fight for a healing victory in Jesus,and for the christian children executed in front of parents because they,children, refuse to denounce Jesus. That is their doctorine (total exclusivism)-wish they would produce a written scripture creed of belief!!,not just unavailable convention noted sermons-they wouldnt want any real christians to read.
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Post by jscc1 on Oct 3, 2014 17:28:07 GMT -5
You knowfindingtruth,,We were told the wider christian communities churches were just money grabbers? Well who is pouring people and financing them in the horrific areas of the THIRD world?? Also in Australia it is common statistics if the top largest denominations stopped their welfare work our Country would face bankrupcy within two years.Giving to all thse causes via your local church is just returning back to God some of His blessing He has allowed you. Remember the Widows two pennys(mites).Gee they had us totally blindfolded,I remember an old 2x2 man who refused to donate to the Salvation Army "cause he couldnt see Jesus comming back in a uniform",forgetting the Sally was collecting for a shelter for homeless,whom Jesus would be more compassionate towards.
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Post by déjà vu on Oct 3, 2014 18:40:55 GMT -5
I know of a deacon ( 2x2 )who donates thousands of. $ to different charities ( Christians ) I wonder what would happen to him if any worker would ever find out.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 4, 2014 9:12:55 GMT -5
I also grew up hearing this. What puzzles me now is that I read on TMB on another thread that some people who I think are about my age say that they have never heard this. Although only being in the same field briefly as this other dude that has never heard this we would have listened to the same workers and most likely have mutual friends through out the country. So are the F&W's not claiming this only way doctrine now or some people having selective memory loss or just plain ol lying. I've heard the same things from people my own age saying they never heard things that way....but then when questioned I found out they paid little heed to what the older professing and preaching workers did say! They felt that yes, they had to be in the fellowhip of the 2x2s or they'd be lost eternally and they never knew where they got that thought, but they didn't remember "hearing" it preached on or spoken about in any mtg. etc. Some of those people are such that they do have selective memory loss but I don't think they're lying when they say they don't remember hearing such things spoken in mtgs. esp. fromt he workers......BUT after having this brought to their attention, then when they did go to esp. conv. mtgs. and spec. mtgs. where workers are the main speakers, they had to admit that they heard such coming fromt he platform after they were told such was spoken...... Also, those who still clung to the 2x2s to be the only truth and way, and admitting that such things were said and such lies were perpetuated, still say that the religion is the only truth and way...and this is selective choice....but eventually they will come to the conclusion that there is an outside chance that the 2x2s are no different then any other manmade church!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 4, 2014 9:17:20 GMT -5
Ross I have never understood the reason for rebaptism. It has to be exclusive thinking because it isnt biblical and when I think about it it denys the power of the holy spirit in the first baptism. A family member was baptised 3 times. Workers can justify demanding new converts from other churches, having to be re-baptized from Acts where it speaks about some of the new converts and when they were questioned about their baptism, they admitted to being baptized by John the Baptists.....and the Apostles that were there said they would need to be baptized again and baptized in the name of Jesus Christ because when they were baptized by John the Baptist that that was a baptism of repentance and not one in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Also sometimes when someone has professed, then lost out for awhile, then reprofessed..the workers get around and kind of put into their minds about being rebaptized as perhaps their first baptism was done before they had a true understanding and/or the reprofessee requests to be re-baptized!
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Post by jscc1 on Oct 5, 2014 16:53:59 GMT -5
Re-baptism NOT ON?Those baptised by John were instructed of Jesus Baptism to come "I indeed baptise you with water of repentance,but He who is comming "after" me is mightier than I whos shoes I am not worthy to bear,He will baptise you with the Holy Ghost anD Fire------This was an additional reason expanding on repentance only..NOT a re-baptisim. Please study a little deeper it was prior and after The value of Johns baptisim was extended by Jesus
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Post by bubbles on Oct 5, 2014 17:54:21 GMT -5
Ross I have never understood the reason for rebaptism. It has to be exclusive thinking because it isnt biblical and when I think about it it denys the power of the holy spirit in the first baptism. A family member was baptised 3 times. Workers can justify demanding new converts from other churches, having to be re-baptized from Acts where it speaks about some of the new converts and when they were questioned about their baptism, they admitted to being baptized by John the Baptists.....and the Apostles that were there said they would need to be baptized again and baptized in the name of Jesus Christ because when they were baptized by John the Baptist that that was a baptism of repentance and not one in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Also sometimes when someone has professed, then lost out for awhile, then reprofessed..the workers get around and kind of put into their minds about being rebaptized as perhaps their first baptism was done before they had a true understanding and/or the reprofessee requests to be re-baptized!. If we fall all it needs is the conviction of the holy spirit, acknowledging the sin and repenting. Repentance brings us back into right relationship. Rebaptism denies the power of the first. It irks me when man tries to cause confusion in peoples minds when that was never the intent of Christ. Baotisim involves the power of God. Supernatural power. It doesnt matter whether the person fully understood it in the first baptism. The power that touched them is powerful enough to do the work and continue to do so in the persons life. I firmly believe the scripture that says 'he never leaves us nor forsakes us' I love that scripture it gives me confidence in him and his power.
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Post by findingtruth on Oct 15, 2014 21:24:49 GMT -5
Feeling frustrated tonight. I want to make a point - again - that the 2x2 fellowship does absolutely NOTHING to correct the misconceptions its members have about an exclusive place in the kingdom of God. Here is a conversation I had today with my mother (one of many similar conversations).
The conversation began with a positive discussion about a lovely family member who would love to be married and have a family. She has been hopeful for the past 15 years, only open to a relationship with a "professing" 2x2 man. This obviously has not happened.
Me: "She would make a wonderful wife and could have a great marriage. Unfortunately she isn't willing to look outside of the fellowship for a soul mate". Mother: "She shouldn't look outside. She does not want a divided home." Me: "How do you define a 'divided' home?" _ _ _ _ (my husband's name) and I have been happily married and he did not go to meeting with me for many years." Mother: "Yes and look what happened. He left meetings and took you outside too." Note: I might add that my husband left meetings almost 30 years before I left. I suspect she doesn't believe I can make decisions based on my own convictions. Me: "_ _ _ _ had nothing to do with my decision to leave. I realized that I could no longer support a fellowship that isn't based on honesty." (by this time she is noticeably agitated.) Mother: "I'm sorry you aren't able to see the truth. This IS the WAY. If you are familiar with John 10 you will know the truth." Me: " I believe John 10 has been misrepresented. It's very clear that JESUS is the way in this passage of scripture, not a man-made fellowship." Note: I don't believe in religion as a whole but believe if one is presenting scripture they should at least present it more accurately(whatever that means) Mother: "There isn't any point discussing this. You aren't willing to accept the truth and I'm so sorry you've lost out. This way was started by Jesus and the workers are telling the truth. All other churches are false and do not preach truth." Me: "Do they not preach about Jesus?" Mother: "No, they only l talk about social issues." Me: "Hmmm, I've attended several different church services at various churches and have always heard about Jesus. What churches have you attended and not heard about Jesus?" Mother: "When we attended church the minister did not talk about Jesus. He only spoke about social issues." Me: "I seem to remember that he did preach about Jesus." Note: They did have a negative church experience - that is for sure. Mom: "You don't remember very well. I have no desire to be part of the world." Me: "Who do you consider to be 'the world'? There are many outside of your fellowship who love Jesus." Mom: "If they were honest they would want to be part of our fellowship." Me: "I find this sad and a very divisive spirit. I don't believe that would have been the intent of Jesus. Do you?" Mom: "This discussion is at an end. I have been praying for you that you'll have your eyes opened. I'll continue to pray that you'll accept the truth."
The conversation didn't last much longer. I don't like to get into a heated discussion as I don't believe it encourages loving relationships but I KNOW this is not unusual in the 2x2 fellowship. In fact, I don't really know anyone in the fellowship who does not basically believe they are part of the only genuine fellowship in the world.
I don't carry on many "religious" conversations with my parents. They'd be shocked if they knew that I've rejected religion completely and have no desire to connect with an organized church of any type. At their age I suspect they have such a deeply embedded fear of "missing the mark" or "spending eternity in hell" that they don't dare leave what they perceive to be TRUTH.
If there are any workers reading this I have one message for you. STOP deceiving what you call "the flock". This is certainly not an act of love.
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Post by déjà vu on Oct 15, 2014 22:29:58 GMT -5
sadly your Mother nor your sister believe in Missionary dating
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Post by bubbles on Oct 15, 2014 23:08:36 GMT -5
I know of a deacon ( 2x2 )who donates thousands of. $ to different charities ( Christians ) I wonder what would happen to him if any worker would ever find out. That is no ones business.
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Post by colac on Oct 15, 2014 23:44:05 GMT -5
Findingtruth? Please forget Icons garbs of colour,pomp and ceremonies,etc. What is a fellowship of local congregations doing NOW???.. 3rd world,epodemic(aids,ebola,lepers,war injured,etc) care and help (Most volunteers supported by socially minded local congregations. And locally Prisoners,sick,abused,CSA victims ,(inc by workers),homeless, drug and drink addicted,victims of domestic and religious violence,the late night coffee/soup vans,street workers reaching out in Gods Love to little pregnant girls raped or incest victims boys/girls,"WHO",offers them a refuge,a cup of coffee& bun,AND PRAYER support & compassion in Jesus Name? your local CHURCH'S Pop in and study what they are actively doing,welfare & justice by Christians is why Jesus called us to Discipleship,to share the gifts of Grace and strengths He has blessed us with,some congregations stay $$ poor because of their heavy financial gifts to so many frontier missions of help"s",Taking the word,medical,physical,like going to Africa and assisting every morning to bury a dry mum,a starved baby,elderly(most husbands are dead),the stench?,but if God lays this on ones heart to answer a prayer to serve Him----YOU GO---in His Name. Have a prayerful search,the Holy Spirit is not out of reach,and He has wonderful hearing. Wouldnt it be great to tell Mom you are taking your next vacation with a Christian group to repair their war torn community,because God layed on your heart?
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