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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 1:19:30 GMT -5
Pruebert I dont see 2x2 ministry as apostolic. Their giftings dont line up. I wasnt referring to any bible character either. Perhaps you have found a more Apostolic church? Perhaps the JW's and their 1914 Jesus? Maybe the Mormons and their New World Jesus?
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Post by bubbles on Oct 28, 2014 4:57:29 GMT -5
Pruebert I dont see 2x2 ministry as apostolic. Their giftings dont line up. I wasnt referring to any bible character either. Perhaps you have found a more Apostolic church? Perhaps the JW's and their 1914 Jesus? Maybe the Mormons and their New World Jesus?Now you are being silly.
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Post by fred on Oct 28, 2014 5:31:07 GMT -5
Perhaps you have found a more Apostolic church? Perhaps the JW's and their 1914 Jesus? Maybe the Mormons and their New World Jesus?Now you are being silly. Trademark.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 28, 2014 12:58:45 GMT -5
Pruebert I dont see 2x2 ministry as apostolic. Their giftings dont line up. I wasnt referring to any bible character either. Perhaps you have found a more Apostolic church? Perhaps the JW's and their 1914 Jesus? Maybe the Mormons and their New World Jesus?There is nothing itinerant or apostolic about a church whose ministers stay in the same area and homes for decades, but still claim that they are going out on faith lines. I would agree with them being such if every year they went to new areas where there is no presence of their church. If you read how they actually went out in the bible, it was to new areas. Even the first groups sent by Jesus were instructed to stay in ONE home for the duration of their outreach in any certain town. Paul WROTE to the churches and mentioned how he would like to be able to come and see them, and sent people to visit with them and carry his letters. However, I see nothing where they ever set up shop in any area and then stayed there living off the same people for decades. Likewise, Paul also took on work so that he wasn't a burden to those around him.
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Post by déjà vu on Dec 17, 2014 19:05:45 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 18, 2014 0:37:34 GMT -5
Perhaps you have found a more Apostolic church? Perhaps the JW's and their 1914 Jesus? Maybe the Mormons and their New World Jesus?There is nothing itinerant or apostolic about a church whose ministers stay in the same area and homes for decades, but still claim that they are going out on faith lines. I would agree with them being such if every year they went to new areas where there is no presence of their church. If you read how they actually went out in the bible, it was to new areas. Even the first groups sent by Jesus were instructed to stay in ONE home for the duration of their outreach in any certain town. Paul WROTE to the churches and mentioned how he would like to be able to come and see them, and sent people to visit with them and carry his letters. However, I see nothing where they ever set up shop in any area and then stayed there living off the same people for decades. Likewise, Paul also took on work so that he wasn't a burden to those around him. On several ocassions I have asked workers in NZ why they don't go to places where there are no professing people and have gospel meetings there. They have never been able to offer me a satisfactory answer but I get the impression that anywhere too far from a comfortable friendlies home is too far. Talk about going out in faith. Yep, it's only talk.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 1:27:05 GMT -5
There is nothing itinerant or apostolic about a church whose ministers stay in the same area and homes for decades, but still claim that they are going out on faith lines. I would agree with them being such if every year they went to new areas where there is no presence of their church. If you read how they actually went out in the bible, it was to new areas. Even the first groups sent by Jesus were instructed to stay in ONE home for the duration of their outreach in any certain town. Paul WROTE to the churches and mentioned how he would like to be able to come and see them, and sent people to visit with them and carry his letters. However, I see nothing where they ever set up shop in any area and then stayed there living off the same people for decades. Likewise, Paul also took on work so that he wasn't a burden to those around him. On several ocassions I have asked workers in NZ why they don't go to places where there are no professing people and have gospel meetings there. They have never been able to offer me a satisfactory answer but I get the impression that anywhere too far from a comfortable friendlies home is too far. Talk about going out in faith. Yep, it's only talk. but they have and do, if they didn't then it would all have remained where it started
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Post by midwesterner on Dec 21, 2014 7:18:07 GMT -5
They don't want to leave their 'comfort zone'. Its amazaing that alot of the "false churches" I have visited, the pastor/minister works outside the church to makes ends meet. In other words, doesn't depend on nor burdens the "innies".
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 21, 2014 15:30:24 GMT -5
On several ocassions I have asked workers in NZ why they don't go to places where there are no professing people and have gospel meetings there. They have never been able to offer me a satisfactory answer but I get the impression that anywhere too far from a comfortable friendlies home is too far. Talk about going out in faith. Yep, it's only talk. but they have and do, if they didn't then it would all have remained where it started That may be true for the first formative years but in my time of nearly 60 years I have only seen one mission in a remote place where there were no friends to stay with. The mission in that village only lasted a few weeks before the workers returned to the city. Top marks for them trying. Virgo, if you know of any other similar attempts to spread the gospel in towns in NZ where there are no friends and the workers have stayed there could you enlighten me please. The one I refer to is Ohura. My view is that the workers do not go out of their way to speak the gospel other than to those that have been brought up in the way and only then at gospel meetings. There are few meetings at the well so to speak. In other countries such as India and Africa and I am reasonably familiar with the situations there, converts are only from other Christian churches. Which kind of defeats the purpose.
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