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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 1:33:31 GMT -5
Fixit Appreciate your reply; I understand you have no personal experience of what you have posted of. Your post being based on what you have read of other's writing and perception of their experience. thanks! Are you interested in meaningful discussion on TMB? Or is your only purpose for being here to intimidate members of the fellowship? actually me being a member of the fellowship don't find the very resonable question asked to be intimidating in anyway shape or form if you are prepared to throw mud all the time instead of anything edifying be prepared to get splashed instead of the boo hoo
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 1:39:31 GMT -5
So you are nullifying the experiences of others on the TMB review005? Are you saying you do not believe them. There is inimising, denial and yes spiritual abuse in your tactics. It is people like fixit who tell me there are still some honest people in the fellowship. Trying to shut him/her up is abuse. Typical worker material. actually darling many on this board do exactly the same to those in the fellowship just in case you haven't noticed i don't actually see fixit being shut up in anyway review is asking for fixits qualifications to making the claims He is making
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Post by fixit on Sept 24, 2014 1:54:33 GMT -5
So you are nullifying the experiences of others on the TMB review005? Are you saying you do not believe them. There is inimising, denial and yes spiritual abuse in your tactics. It is people like fixit who tell me there are still some honest people in the fellowship. Trying to shut him/her up is abuse. Typical worker material. actually darling many on this board do exactly the same to those in the fellowship just in case you haven't noticed i don't actually see fixit being shut up in anyway review is asking for fixits qualifications to making the claims He is making Do you think we're only qualified to discuss issues that touch us personally?
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Post by fixit on Sept 24, 2014 1:57:23 GMT -5
for a start as you well know it is God who does the attracting and it is God who is the one who answers the issues if one has faith to take the problem to Him, after all there is no greater problem solver that this world has known ah but alas this place seems to be where answers are sort Does that mean sexual immorality and child sexual abuse is God's will?
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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 24, 2014 2:08:35 GMT -5
How about a special meeting where there is an open forum for questions to workers. These can be quite productive in resolving misunderstandings. i find that Jesus answers my questions, there is no misunderstanding when we have faith enough to wait on Him for the answer isn't He the way? Are workers in your church considered to be spiritual leaders? If not, what is their purpose? In all other churches that I have attended, the pastors/priests/elders/deacons/youth pastors etc are all willing to discuss issues and answer questions. Do you feel that the workers are incapable of answering questions from the church? That is a very interesting statement from you. Incidentally, I have had no problem getting various workers to answer direct questions from me. These are from the overseer down to new workers. Perhaps it is just members of the fellowship that have an issue in asking the questions.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 2:23:02 GMT -5
Glad you brought that up. Its a tactic used to shut down dissent. If evil and injustice and spiritual abuse doesn't touch me, then it doesn't exist? talk about an over reaction No identifying of posters is allowed. Scott
that was not identifying said poster, the posters name is not trev OK. It had the appearance of doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 2:29:34 GMT -5
i find that Jesus answers my questions, there is no misunderstanding when we have faith enough to wait on Him for the answer isn't He the way? Are workers in your church considered to be spiritual leaders? If not, what is their purpose? In all other churches that I have attended, the pastors/priests/elders/deacons/youth pastors etc are all willing to discuss issues and answer questions. Do you feel that the workers are incapable of answering questions from the church? That is a very interesting statement from you. Incidentally, I have had no problem getting various workers to answer direct questions from me. These are from the overseer down to new workers. Perhaps it is just members of the fellowship that have an issue in asking the questions..... becareful you don't put Jesus to one side for answers of men can you tell me who would give the best answer? man or Jesus? what is wrong with going right to the source of all righteous knowledge?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 2:31:54 GMT -5
actually darling many on this board do exactly the same to those in the fellowship just in case you haven't noticed i don't actually see fixit being shut up in anyway review is asking for fixits qualifications to making the claims He is making Do you think we're only qualified to discuss issues that touch us personally? yes unless you have full and total knowledge of what others think, feel, say and do. for you to have that you would have to be God
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 2:34:47 GMT -5
for a start as you well know it is God who does the attracting and it is God who is the one who answers the issues if one has faith to take the problem to Him, after all there is no greater problem solver that this world has known ah but alas this place seems to be where answers are sort Does that mean sexual immorality and child sexual abuse is God's will? what's that got to do with what i wrote?? you would have to be really thick if you believed that
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Post by fixit on Sept 24, 2014 2:35:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 2:36:59 GMT -5
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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 24, 2014 3:08:12 GMT -5
Are workers in your church considered to be spiritual leaders? If not, what is their purpose? In all other churches that I have attended, the pastors/priests/elders/deacons/youth pastors etc are all willing to discuss issues and answer questions. Do you feel that the workers are incapable of answering questions from the church? That is a very interesting statement from you. Incidentally, I have had no problem getting various workers to answer direct questions from me. These are from the overseer down to new workers. Perhaps it is just members of the fellowship that have an issue in asking the questions..... becareful you don't put Jesus to one side for answers of men can you tell me who would give the best answer? man or Jesus? what is wrong with going right to the source of all righteous knowledge? I don't put God aside. However, God has given us spiritual leaders who should be able to give spiritual answers. Do you think that workers shouldn't be questioned about doctrine or other issues that affect the church? How about something simple such as should the emblems sit on a doily in the middle of the room, or should they be kept under cover in a corner until needed? Or how about something concerning hair length on men or women, and why the church believes as they do. Or why the senior workers tolerate having known sexual predators on their staff......
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Post by bubbles on Sept 24, 2014 3:33:13 GMT -5
Fixit Appreciate your reply; I understand you have no personal experience of what you have posted of. Your post being based on what you have read of other's writing and perception of their experience. thanks! Are you interested in meaningful discussion on TMB? Or is your only purpose for being here to intimidate members of the fellowship? Fixit They can all jump behind me if you like..
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Post by bubbles on Sept 24, 2014 3:39:47 GMT -5
Have an open session on the Saturday afternoon of convention where the key speakers (3 or 4) sit on the platform and have open forum with the congregation based on the main themes that have been expressed at the convention. This is standard at non 2x2 Christian conventions and conferences. It gives a chance for the audience to ask the questions that are on their mind and the leaders to respond. A similar thing could be done with youth meetings etc. If people submit questions in advance it would have to be to an open email box or similar so that anyone who submits a question has an equal opportunity of having it answered. While convention is a good idea because of numbers gathered together. In an hour you may only hear 5 questions. What if each locality had a collective meeting maybe sun arvo where numbers are fewer. You might fine different areas have different concerns. What we found when we had a forum at a conference. Those invisible walls get broken and dialogue is easier. They were productive.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 24, 2014 3:42:40 GMT -5
i find that Jesus answers my questions, there is no misunderstanding when we have faith enough to wait on Him for the answer isn't He the way? Why have workers or church leaders then? Why have teachers of any kind? Do you think that Paul, Peter and others might have been asked plenty of questions in their day. I think so. Some workers have been known to conduct open forums with younger folk - I am sure they have been appreciated. I understand that one was conducted in Sydney in the past few years. I am sure it was positively received by a number. The only suggestion for improvement I have heard is that young people should not have to submit their questions in advance - workers should be willing to take questions without notice. The teachers in scripture were anointed it was a spiritual gift. Teachers would not be threatened by questions. None I know of.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 3:47:46 GMT -5
becareful you don't put Jesus to one side for answers of men can you tell me who would give the best answer? man or Jesus? what is wrong with going right to the source of all righteous knowledge? I don't put God aside. However, God has given us spiritual leaders who should be able to give spiritual answers. Do you think that workers shouldn't be questioned about doctrine or other issues that affect the church? How about something simple such as should the emblems sit on a doily in the middle of the room, or should they be kept under cover in a corner until needed? Or how about something concerning hair length on men or women, and why the church believes as they do. Or why the senior workers tolerate having known sexual predators on their staff...... all questions that can be answered from Heaven, i certainly know where i want the answers to my question to come from
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 3:51:06 GMT -5
i find that Jesus answers my questions, there is no misunderstanding when we have faith enough to wait on Him for the answer isn't He the way? Why have workers or church leaders then? Why have teachers of any kind? Do you think that Paul, Peter and others might have been asked plenty of questions in their day. I think so. Some workers have been known to conduct open forums with younger folk - I am sure they have been appreciated. I understand that one was conducted in Sydney in the past few years. I am sure it was positively received by a number. The only suggestion for improvement I have heard is that young people should not have to submit their questions in advance - workers should be willing to take questions without notice. there is nothing wrong with any of that, in fact i think it's wonderful. all i'm saying is God has the best answers which fully answers questions beyond any doubt
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Post by bubbles on Sept 24, 2014 3:53:02 GMT -5
Are workers in your church considered to be spiritual leaders? If not, what is their purpose? In all other churches that I have attended, the pastors/priests/elders/deacons/youth pastors etc are all willing to discuss issues and answer questions. Do you feel that the workers are incapable of answering questions from the church? That is a very interesting statement from you. Incidentally, I have had no problem getting various workers to answer direct questions from me. These are from the overseer down to new workers. Perhaps it is just members of the fellowship that have an issue in asking the questions..... becareful you don't put Jesus to one side for answers of men can you tell me who would give the best answer? man or Jesus? what is wrong with going right to the source of all righteous knowledge? Ok virgo You can ask Jesus/holyspirit anything. Sometimes the answer comes via the inner witness of your spirit. What then? Lets say you are told by a victim of CSA their story . Your spirit witness the accusation because you always thought there was something off with that guy. Something you couldnt put your finger on. Would you ask Jesus and not ask the workers?
God uses men and women.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 24, 2014 3:55:41 GMT -5
Its not rejecting Christ to ask a human being why they do things a certain way particularly those ministering in the name of Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 4:10:28 GMT -5
i find that Jesus answers my questions, there is no misunderstanding when we have faith enough to wait on Him for the answer isn't He the way? Why have workers or church leaders then? Why have teachers of any kind? Do you think that Paul, Peter and others might have been asked plenty of questions in their day. I think so. Some workers have been known to conduct open forums with younger folk - I am sure they have been appreciated. I understand that one was conducted in Sydney in the past few years. I am sure it was positively received by a number. The only suggestion for improvement I have heard is that young people should not have to submit their questions in advance - workers should be willing to take questions without notice. A very good response, I must say, It is said that honesty is the best policy but I am afraid that many responses to questions posed are far from honest in my opinion. What is needed is honest hearts that give honest and helpful replies to those in need of spiritual guidance. Some one asked the question, Why not go to Jesus directly for the answers? Well Jesus is the Head of our faith, Jesus is the answer, I have the faith to believe that, but in that case, why do we need workers or priests or pastors or ministers in the first place. It is said that honesty Is the best policy, and let us be honest here, I have found from my own experience that if you approach a worker and asked a question that bothers you, more often than not, he or she will not ignore you but the answer you often got was : ."pray about it, pray hard about it and God will reveal it to you in time." Is that very helpful if you are desperately in need of an encouraging answer?
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Post by bubbles on Sept 24, 2014 4:14:44 GMT -5
One pat answer we were given was 'you dont need to know'
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 4:46:17 GMT -5
One pat answer we were given was 'you dont need to know' With that reply they should have been kind enough to explain to you in a kind, caring loving, gentle manner why you did not need to know. As it was given it appears to me to be a harsh snub reply- sort of putting you in your place. A sort of arrogant instead of a humble answer as would be expected. These are the kinds of changes that needs to be made to improve relationships in any Christian fellowship where love is supposed to be the Kingdom's banner. God is love and he loved us before we even loved Him, He is our example.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 4:59:45 GMT -5
becareful you don't put Jesus to one side for answers of men can you tell me who would give the best answer? man or Jesus? what is wrong with going right to the source of all righteous knowledge? Ok virgo You can ask Jesus/holyspirit anything. Sometimes the answer comes via the inner witness of your spirit. What then? Lets say you are told by a victim of CSA their story . Your spirit witness the accusation because you always thought there was something off with that guy. Something you couldnt put your finger on. Would you ask Jesus and not ask the workers?
God uses men and women. you can ask The Lord anything you wish, you will only get an answer to what within Gods will i never told anybody or my ordeal, i have been given peace from the burden of that ordeal because i didn't confide in men if i was told of story of a victim of csa i would take it to the Lord and i would ask for what i got do you not believe that The Lord has the best answer?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 5:01:45 GMT -5
Why have workers or church leaders then? Why have teachers of any kind? Do you think that Paul, Peter and others might have been asked plenty of questions in their day. I think so. Some workers have been known to conduct open forums with younger folk - I am sure they have been appreciated. I understand that one was conducted in Sydney in the past few years. I am sure it was positively received by a number. The only suggestion for improvement I have heard is that young people should not have to submit their questions in advance - workers should be willing to take questions without notice. A very good response, I must say, It is said that honesty is the best policy but I am afraid that many responses to questions posed are far from honest in my opinion. What is needed is honest hearts that give honest and helpful replies to those in need of spiritual guidance. Some one asked the question, Why not go to Jesus directly for the answers? Well Jesus is the Head of our faith, Jesus is the answer, I have the faith to believe that, but in that case, why do we need workers or priests or pastors or ministers in the first place. It is said that honesty Is the best policy, and let us be honest here, I have found from my own experience that if you approach a worker and asked a question that bothers you, more often than not, he or she will not ignore you but the answer you often got was : ."pray about it, pray hard about it and God will reveal it to you in time." Is that very helpful if you are desperately in need of an encouraging answer? it is the best answer
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 5:03:33 GMT -5
One pat answer we were given was 'you dont need to know' With that reply they should have been kind enough to explain to you in a kind, caring loving, gentle manner why you did not need to know. As it was given it appears to me to be a harsh snub reply- sort of putting you in your place. A sort of arrogant instead of a humble answer as would be expected. These are the kinds of changes that needs to be made to improve relationships in any Christian fellowship where love is supposed to be the Kingdom's banner. God is love and he loved us before we even loved Him, He is our example. if they thought you didn't need to know why on earth would they suggest that you take it to God?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 5:07:19 GMT -5
A very good response, I must say, It is said that honesty is the best policy but I am afraid that many responses to questions posed are far from honest in my opinion. What is needed is honest hearts that give honest and helpful replies to those in need of spiritual guidance. Some one asked the question, Why not go to Jesus directly for the answers? Well Jesus is the Head of our faith, Jesus is the answer, I have the faith to believe that, but in that case, why do we need workers or priests or pastors or ministers in the first place. It is said that honesty Is the best policy, and let us be honest here, I have found from my own experience that if you approach a worker and asked a question that bothers you, more often than not, he or she will not ignore you but the answer you often got was : ."pray about it, pray hard about it and God will reveal it to you in time." Is that very helpful if you are desperately in need of an encouraging answer? it is the best answer Yes, that too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 5:08:41 GMT -5
With that reply they should have been kind enough to explain to you in a kind, caring loving, gentle manner why you did not need to know. As it was given it appears to me to be a harsh snub reply- sort of putting you in your place. A sort of arrogant instead of a humble answer as would be expected. These are the kinds of changes that needs to be made to improve relationships in any Christian fellowship where love is supposed to be the Kingdom's banner. God is love and he loved us before we even loved Him, He is our example. if they thought you didn't need to know why on earth would they suggest that you take it to God? Because, presumably. God knows everything?
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 24, 2014 5:43:57 GMT -5
Ok virgo You can ask Jesus/holyspirit anything. Sometimes the answer comes via the inner witness of your spirit. What then? Lets say you are told by a victim of CSA their story . Your spirit witness the accusation because you always thought there was something off with that guy. Something you couldnt put your finger on. Would you ask Jesus and not ask the workers?
God uses men and women. you can ask The Lord anything you wish, you will only get an answer to what within Gods will i never told anybody or my ordeal, i have been given peace from the burden of that ordeal because i didn't confide in men if i was told of story of a victim of csa i would take it to the Lord and i would ask for what i got do you not believe that The Lord has the best answer? VIrgo said :"if i was told of story of a victim of csa i would take it to the Lord and i would ask for what i got do you not believe that The Lord has the best answer?" So if you were told that someone was being abused you wouldn't go to the Authorities ??
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