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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 17:48:36 GMT -5
Just letting y'all know, in case anyone was wondering... (where's the tongue in cheek emoticon options?)
Actually, I'd like to run the following past y'all, as I've never heard a good, simple, succinct answer that doesn't just raise more questions.
So here I am, born again, of the water and the spirit. God is my Father. Though a gentile, I have been grafted in. To deny that I am the Son of God would be to deny God is my Father, and you heard what Jesus said God his father would do to those who deny him. Now you might argue that there was only One Son Of God, meaning Jesus, but that would be to deny the one-ness of the trinity, meaning the the son is the same as God. I am a son. Plus there's the clear prayer of Jesus in the Gospel of John where he says that we are all one as he and God are one, as in one and the same. Then, there's the story from the very beginning of the bible with the fruit garden, where among others things resides the tree of knowledge of good and evil. A fruit that forums like this seem to indicate we all seek to eat. Which if we eat, according to the bible we will become God. Well, Adam and Eve ate, and we therefore forever after suffer(?) the consequences. (continual arguing I guess)
Anyhow, I'm a little scared, do I declare I'm the son of God and one and the same with him? Some tell me it's not true... Maybe some of you would like to kill me if I get too loud and insistent about it... Maybe I should have the courage to Not put my tongue in cheek? The 1st to go into the lake of fire are.... the fearful!! Oh God... (which might even be some of you guys...?) I need some help with this one ... Ettu
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Post by xna on Sept 13, 2014 18:05:39 GMT -5
Just letting y'all know, in case anyone was wondering... (where's the tongue in cheek emoticon options?) Actually, I'd like to run the following past y'all, as I've never heard a good, simple, succinct answer that doesn't just raise more questions. So here I am, born again, of the water and the spirit. God is my Father. Though a gentile, I have been grafted in. To deny that I am the Son of God would be to deny God is my Father, and you heard what Jesus said God his father would do to those who deny him. Now you might argue that there was only One Son Of God, meaning Jesus, but that would be to deny the one-ness of the trinity, meaning the the son is the same as God. I am a son. Plus there's the clear prayer of Jesus in the Gospel of John where he says that we are all one as he and God are one, as in one and the same. Then, there's the story from the very beginning of the bible with the fruit garden, where among others things resides the tree of knowledge of good and evil. A fruit that forums like this seem to indicate we all seek to eat. Which if we eat, according to the bible we will become God. Well, Adam and Eve ate, and we therefore forever after suffer(?) the consequences. (continual arguing I guess) Anyhow, I'm a little scared, do I declare I'm the son of God and one and the same with him? Some tell me it's not true... Maybe some of you would like to kill me if I get too loud and insistent about it... Maybe I should have the courage to Not put my tongue in cheek? The 1st to go into the lake of fire are.... the fearful!! Oh God... (which might even be some of you guys...?) I need some help with this one ... Ettu Good luck with that concept. ;-) "Robert Ingersoll makes the following comments in Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 4, p. 266-67: Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost third. Each of these persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say, before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. So it is declared that the Father is God, and the Son and the Holy Ghost God, and these three Gods make one God. According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three time one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar: if we add two to one we have but one. Each one equal to himself and to the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity." www.angelfire.com/pa/greywlf/trinity.html
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 18:59:34 GMT -5
They say George Walker used to describe the trinity as symbolized by the 3 leaf clover, a way of describing it that I think more than he used. I like the 4 leaf clover idea. They say it's special and rare, which I like to think of as part of the new testament.
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Post by xna on Sept 13, 2014 19:27:14 GMT -5
They say George Walker used to describe the trinity as symbolized by the 3 leaf clover, a way of describing it that I think more than he used. I like the 4 leaf clover idea. They say it's special and rare, which I like to think of as part of the new testament. I have heard workers speak about the trinity at conventions referencing it like a shamrock. This metaphor comes from St. Patrick (lived during the 5th century). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShamrockThe Hindu Trinity "Trimurti" is an older (4,000 years) myth, and make about the same amount of sense, to me. www.rudraksha-ratna.com/hindu_trinity.php en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimurti
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Post by xna on Sept 13, 2014 19:48:50 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Sept 13, 2014 20:22:10 GMT -5
The 2x2s believe and worship God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit= Triune God. Many of the 2x2s today are NOT familiar or understand these terminologies such as Godhead, the Trinity, Triune God, Divinity of Christ But they believe, preach and worship God the Father, Given thanks to Jesus Christ the Son of God for his sacrificed on Calvary's Cross, and they Pray to the Holy Spirit in the Sunday morning meetings. Many 2x2s today do not have a good grasp of the Godhead.
I am going to try and speak about the Triune God/Godhead in our Sunday morning meeting tomorrow! The Triune God or Godhead confounds our mind but comforts our heart... That is my theme. God the Son Immanuel means God with us incarnated himself in human body/flesh and blood to die for our sins.
If one was a 2x2 Nontrinitarian, I don't see how it would make much of a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 20:39:13 GMT -5
Just letting y'all know, in case anyone was wondering... (where's the tongue in cheek emoticon options?) Actually, I'd like to run the following past y'all, as I've never heard a good, simple, succinct answer that doesn't just raise more questions. So here I am, born again, of the water and the spirit. God is my Father. Though a gentile, I have been grafted in. To deny that I am the Son of God would be to deny God is my Father, and you heard what Jesus said God his father would do to those who deny him. Now you might argue that there was only One Son Of God, meaning Jesus, but that would be to deny the one-ness of the trinity, meaning the the son is the same as God. I am a son. Plus there's the clear prayer of Jesus in the Gospel of John where he says that we are all one as he and God are one, as in one and the same. Then, there's the story from the very beginning of the bible with the fruit garden, where among others things resides the tree of knowledge of good and evil. A fruit that forums like this seem to indicate we all seek to eat. Which if we eat, according to the bible we will become God. Well, Adam and Eve ate, and we therefore forever after suffer(?) the consequences. (continual arguing I guess) Anyhow, I'm a little scared, do I declare I'm the son of God and one and the same with him? Some tell me it's not true... Maybe some of you would like to kill me if I get too loud and insistent about it... Maybe I should have the courage to Not put my tongue in cheek? The 1st to go into the lake of fire are.... the fearful!! Oh God... (which might even be some of you guys...?) I need some help with this one ... Ettu actually satan said this...Gen_3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. God said this...Gen_3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: i think there is a small subtle difference, can't really explain it as words escape me...
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 13, 2014 20:58:33 GMT -5
Just letting y'all know, in case anyone was wondering... (where's the tongue in cheek emoticon options?) Actually, I'd like to run the following past y'all, as I've never heard a good, simple, succinct answer that doesn't just raise more questions. So here I am, born again, of the water and the spirit. God is my Father. Though a gentile, I have been grafted in. To deny that I am the Son of God would be to deny God is my Father, and you heard what Jesus said God his father would do to those who deny him. Now you might argue that there was only One Son Of God, meaning Jesus, but that would be to deny the one-ness of the trinity, meaning the the son is the same as God. I am a son. Plus there's the clear prayer of Jesus in the Gospel of John where he says that we are all one as he and God are one, as in one and the same. Then, there's the story from the very beginning of the bible with the fruit garden, where among others things resides the tree of knowledge of good and evil. A fruit that forums like this seem to indicate we all seek to eat. Which if we eat, according to the bible we will become God. Well, Adam and Eve ate, and we therefore forever after suffer(?) the consequences. (continual arguing I guess) Anyhow, I'm a little scared, do I declare I'm the son of God and one and the same with him? Some tell me it's not true... Maybe some of you would like to kill me if I get too loud and insistent about it... Maybe I should have the courage to Not put my tongue in cheek? The 1st to go into the lake of fire are.... the fearful!! Oh God... (which might even be some of you guys...?) I need some help with this one ... Ettu Good luck with that concept. ;-) "Robert Ingersoll makes the following comments in Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 4, p. 266-67: Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost third. Each of these persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say, before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. So it is declared that the Father is God, and the Son and the Holy Ghost God, and these three Gods make one God. According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three time one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar: if we add two to one we have but one. Each one equal to himself and to the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity." www.angelfire.com/pa/greywlf/trinity.htmlI think Robert Ingersoll has a fantastic mind.
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Post by placid-void on Sept 13, 2014 21:28:58 GMT -5
Just letting y'all know, in case anyone was wondering... (where's the tongue in cheek emoticon options?) Actually, I'd like to run the following past y'all, as I've never heard a good, simple, succinct answer that doesn't just raise more questions. So here I am, born again, of the water and the spirit. God is my Father. Though a gentile, I have been grafted in. To deny that I am the Son of God would be to deny God is my Father, and you heard what Jesus said God his father would do to those who deny him. Now you might argue that there was only One Son Of God, meaning Jesus, but that would be to deny the one-ness of the trinity, meaning the the son is the same as God. I am a son. Plus there's the clear prayer of Jesus in the Gospel of John where he says that we are all one as he and God are one, as in one and the same. Then, there's the story from the very beginning of the bible with the fruit garden, where among others things resides the tree of knowledge of good and evil. A fruit that forums like this seem to indicate we all seek to eat. Which if we eat, according to the bible we will become God. Well, Adam and Eve ate, and we therefore forever after suffer(?) the consequences. (continual arguing I guess) Anyhow, I'm a little scared, do I declare I'm the son of God and one and the same with him? Some tell me it's not true... Maybe some of you would like to kill me if I get too loud and insistent about it... Maybe I should have the courage to Not put my tongue in cheek? The 1st to go into the lake of fire are.... the fearful!! Oh God... (which might even be some of you guys...?) I need some help with this one ... Ettu Good evening Ettu. You must promise us that the next question on this exam will be the easy one. This one is tough, spelled with a capital T. I tried, I tried really hard to take your question step by step and address each element, but I failed. I failed because I operate from a slightly different perspective and I could not make the vocabulary work. So, I chose instead to begin as you began . . . "So here I am . . . . " and describe my own level of understanding and then compare your analysis with mine and see where we end up . . . . here goes: So here I am. Each day I awake, essentially born again into an endless range of possibilities. Each birth, each day, is not unlike the waters of a stream rushing from the small springs of what has been to the vast shores of what can be. Hovering somewhere within my being is the spirit of desire, of need and of the aspiration to be a part of the whole. Though beyond the veil of my understanding, I accept and embrace an awareness that there is meaning, there is purpose that transcends my comprehension. Some call such an awareness “God”, I am content to reflect on my awareness without naming it and without attempting to confine it to a collection of predetermined descriptions and categorizations. I feel no need to validate nor deny an essence greater than self, rather I choose each day to embrace the whole of being as the quintessence of that presence. The words, the interpretations, the descriptions, the doctrines and dogmas, the proclaimers, the deniers, they all deafen me. For me, I seek but a simple resonance with the whole. I know, I always know (the challenge is to acknowledge the knowing), when my thoughts, actions and behavior are out of synch. But equally, I know because I feel, when my thoughts, actions and behavior resonate with the needs of a greater good. The heritage (Judeo-Christian, in my case), the stories and myths, the texts of writings (considered sacred by some) are all touchstones along the way. They map the journeys of others and compel personal reflections on my own journey. But I resist, sometimes with great angst and anxiety, the temptation to supplant (or even supplement) the vision and wisdom of the spirit that nurtures my own being, with the scraps of understanding garnered by others and left to guide (not direct) my own journey along the path of life. All of this to say, the analysis of the trinity, and the Father, and the Son and my place within the triune and the fruit of the tree are all beyond my comprehension. I remain incapable of compressing the essence of that which is beyond knowing into the confines of human images and then to talk about those human manifestations as if they have meaning or bearing on the majesty of the whole (seen and unseen) that embraces my being each day. It does not compute. It is beyond my ken. I am absolutely convinced ettu that we are searching for the same understanding but that we are simply using different words and approaches. In the end, I believe that the objective is simply to have enough of a grasp of our own purpose to add meaning and value to the experiences we are able to share with others for as long as we have the opportunity to enjoy the exquisite joy of life. I anxiously await your thoughts on the comparison of our two approaches Ettu and the thoughts of everyone else who wrestles with these kinds of questions in the dark of night. Just don't be scared, morning will come again.
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Post by emy on Sept 13, 2014 21:33:23 GMT -5
The 2x2s believe and worship God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit= Triune God. Many of the 2x2s today are NOT familiar or understand these terminologies such as Godhead, the Trinity, Triune God, Divinity of Christ But they believe, preach and worship God the Father, Given thanks to Jesus Christ the Son of God for his sacrificed on Calvary's Cross, and they Pray to the Holy Spirit in the Sunday morning meetings. Many 2x2s today do not have a good grasp of the Godhead. They are worshipping the Godhead in the Worship Sunday morning meetings and don't know it.
I am going to try and speak about the Triune God/Godhead in our Sunday morning meeting tomorrow! The Triune God or Godhead confounds our mind but comforts our heart... That is my theme. God the Son Immanuel means God with us incarnated himself in human body/flesh and blood to die for our sins.
So Nathan, are you also God because you are a son?
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Post by Mary on Sept 13, 2014 21:56:59 GMT -5
Seems as if this is the same old confusion regarding what the trinity is with some stating what is actually the Oneness doctrine rather than the trinity. The opening posts states that the trinity proposes that "the Son is the same as God". Do you mean the Trinity doctrine says that the Son is the same as the Father? Because the trinity does not say the Son is the same as the Father. The trinity clearly states the Son is not the Father and the Father is not the Son. They are 3 (including the Holy Spirit) separate functioning beings but together make up Cod - meaning there are 3 parts of God or God consists of 3 parts. Like your body consists of many parts but it all makes up your body - if you like to think of it that way. All are a part of God and all have a separate function in the Godhead.
In response to the first post again, Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (Does it say here man has become God or man has become as God to know good and evil)?
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Post by Mary on Sept 13, 2014 22:06:13 GMT -5
"Robert Ingersoll makes the following comments in Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 4, p. 266-67: Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost third. Each of these persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say, before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. So it is declared that the Father is God, and the Son and the Holy Ghost God, and these three Gods make one God. According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three time one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar: if we add two to one we have but one. Each one equal to himself and to the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity." www.angelfire.com/pa/greywlf/trinity.htmlNo where does the trinity say that Jesus is his own Father. Nor does it say that the Holy Spirit was the Son and Father. The spirit of God is not the Father and not the Son either. The spirit is separate just as the Father and Son are separate beings. It is obvious this person does not understand the trinity. Jesus is the Son, he is not the Father, and the trinity has never said that. The trinity is 3, not one which is oneness teaching. Again the father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father. They are 3 separate persons who make up God. They are not one person (Oneness doctrine). When you read what the trinity is it says they are 3 separate persons that make the one God. You keep saying that trinity is that Jesus is the father, no Jesus is not and the trinity does not teach that. God consists of 3 parts - The Father, Son and Holy Spirit, each is fully God but do not operate without each other.
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Post by Mary on Sept 13, 2014 22:10:07 GMT -5
The 2x2s believe and worship God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit= Triune God. Many of the 2x2s today are NOT familiar or understand these terminologies such as Godhead, the Trinity, Triune God, Divinity of Christ But they believe, preach and worship God the Father, Given thanks to Jesus Christ the Son of God for his sacrificed on Calvary's Cross, and they Pray to the Holy Spirit in the Sunday morning meetings. Many 2x2s today do not have a good grasp of the Godhead. They are worshipping the Godhead in the Worship Sunday morning meetings and don't know it.
I am going to try and speak about the Triune God/Godhead in our Sunday morning meeting tomorrow! The Triune God or Godhead confounds our mind but comforts our heart... That is my theme. God the Son Immanuel means God with us incarnated himself in human body/flesh and blood to die for our sins.
So Nathan, are you also God because you are a son? Nathan is also a father and a husband, Jesus was not. He was only a Son. (If you read your Bible Jesus was the only begotten Son of the Father).
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Post by Greg on Sept 13, 2014 22:34:37 GMT -5
So Nathan, are you also God because you are a son? Yes... I am a child of God= God is my Father. My Father is God. I am human because my biological parents are humans.If you are God, as you answered here to be, then God must be more than a triune deity.
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Post by Greg on Sept 13, 2014 22:51:22 GMT -5
If you are God, as you answered here to be, then God must be more than a triune deity. I don't understand what you're saying. Care to try again? Thanks.No, I do not care to try again. Your response is just fine.
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Post by Mary on Sept 13, 2014 23:30:28 GMT -5
We are not God, We are humans, mere mortals. God is perfect we are not. But God has adopted or grafted us into his family and we are called a child of God when we accept him as Lord and Saviour. That does not make us God. Just as an adopted child does not have the genes of its parents we also do not have God genes apart from those he gave to Adam and Eve. We are still adopted into God's family but have the genes DNA of humans. Jesus had God's DNA and human DNA, we only have human DNA. Now I am just presuming all this and have not looked up anything on it. Just my opinion and view of it.
Added: Reading over Emy's post - it seems that we become children of God because we have the Spirit of God in us when we accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour. Makes sense to me. But we are still not God as we are not perfect in spite of the spirit of God dwelling in us.
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Post by emy on Sept 13, 2014 23:31:41 GMT -5
actually satan said this...Gen_3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. God said this...Gen_3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: i think there is a small subtle difference, can't really explain it as words escape me... There is a more direct statement of our privilege to be known as children (sons) of God: John 1:12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. and Rom. 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
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Post by Mary on Sept 13, 2014 23:33:51 GMT -5
Both you and Nathan attend meetings Emy so how come you are not of the same mind? You talk about unity but is there unity in meetings? Also Nathan believes in aliens, do you Amy?
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Post by emy on Sept 13, 2014 23:36:55 GMT -5
We are not God, We are humans, mere mortals. God is perfect we are not. But God has adopted or grafted us into his family and we are called a child of God when we accept him as Lord and Saviour. That does not make us God. Just as an adopted child does not have the genes of its parents we also do not have God genes apart from those he gave to Adam and Eve. We are still adopted into God's family but have the genes DNA of humans. Jesus had God's DNA and human DNA, we only have human DNA. Now I am just presuming all this and have not looked up anything on it. Just my opinion and view of it. No, we do not have God's "DNA" but if we receive Him, we can embody His Spirit.
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Post by emy on Sept 13, 2014 23:42:55 GMT -5
Both you and Nathan attend meetings Emy so how come you are not of the same mind? You talk about unity but is there unity in meetings? Also Nathan believes in aliens, do you Amy? Because there is no set theology we must believe. Though Spirit-led, we may be at different places in the journey. There may come a day when both of us are at the same place. The unity comes because Nathan does not require me to be lock-step with him and I don't require him to be lock-step with me. The Spirit gives liberty. 2 Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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Post by fixit on Sept 14, 2014 0:57:33 GMT -5
We are not God, We are humans, mere mortals. God is perfect we are not. But God has adopted or grafted us into his family and we are called a child of God when we accept him as Lord and Saviour. That does not make us God. Just as an adopted child does not have the genes of its parents we also do not have God genes apart from those he gave to Adam and Eve. We are still adopted into God's family but have the genes DNA of humans. Jesus had God's DNA and human DNA, we only have human DNA. Now I am just presuming all this and have not looked up anything on it. Just my opinion and view of it. Added: Reading over Emy's post - it seems that we become children of God because we have the Spirit of God in us when we accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour. Makes sense to me. But we are still not God as we are not perfect in spite of the spirit of God dwelling in us. Trinitarians try to tell us that God had a mother. It makes no sense to me that God has human DNA.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 14, 2014 2:10:07 GMT -5
actually satan said this...Gen_3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. God said this...Gen_3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: i think there is a small subtle difference, can't really explain it as words escape me... Could this be it Wally? the man is become as one of us, One of us/Godhead.... There is more than One in the Godhead. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit= God said, "Let Us created man in OUR image." Actually, it was the other way round. Humankind created gods in their own image. They gave them characteristics of themselves from their part of the world and at the time in history in which they lived.
Thus, the god of the bible is a warrior god (and male of course, because the bible was written by men! )
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Post by placid-void on Sept 14, 2014 8:02:03 GMT -5
HELP! Please, someone, anyone please HELP.
I am clueless.
I read the opening post of the thread and said to myself; “Oh, this might be interesting, this thread seems to be probing the question of how one goes beyond self and relates to a greater whole.” Such questions are of great interest to me. I posted some thoughts and went to bed.
This morning I arise to find that the discussion continued for some time. I have read the thread top to bottom, twice actually. I don’t understand. Conviction is expressed in the thread. Passion is expressed in the thread. A detailed form of reasoning with multiple references to scriptural citations is presented in the thread. But what does it all mean? I am not trying to be clever, my question is very sincere.
I am asking; • After all the discussion on the form and substance of “God” contained in this one thread, what is the intended take-away? • Should a reader or participant of this conversation, expect to feel edified by the conversation? • Is the intent to persuade one or more individuals of a particular interpretation? • Is the purpose to feel triumphant in having overcome interpretations different from one’s own? • Is the purpose to be a better Christian for having participated (actively or passively) in the discussion? • Is the purpose to be a better person for having participated in the conversation? • Is the actual nature of “God” different now, at this stage of the conversation, from what it was (or was not) yesterday at this same time of day?
Again, I am truly not trying to be flippant of disrespectful. I am honestly trying to understand how the process of reducing the totality of all that is beyond comprehension to a collection of a few familial and familiar terms like Father, Son and Spirit and debating whether ‘all are one’ or ‘one is all’ relates to the simple question of what is the meaning and purpose of my life (if any)?
I truly hope some sincere and brave souls will tackle one or more of these questions. Thanking you in advance.
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Post by fixit on Sept 14, 2014 14:52:28 GMT -5
God the Son stepped down 2 kingdoms lower to become the Son of God and Man so He could be the Mediator between God the Father and mankind who he/they created from the dust of the ground. Paul wrote in I Timothy 2:5-6 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. Sacrilege! Paul wrote that Jesus was a man!
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Post by fixit on Sept 14, 2014 16:43:35 GMT -5
Sacrilege! Paul wrote that Jesus was a man! Sacrilege? hmmmmmmm.... I don't believe so. Why don't you continue to read the next chapter 3 Paul wrote. I Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the Flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, PREACHED to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.
Who do you think Paul was calling God was manifest in the Flesh? justified by the Spirit, seen of angels, PREACH to the Gentiles, believe on in the world, and Received up in glory?.... Who, was this God manifested in the FLESH Paul is writing about, Fixit?
I don't want to get into an argument over this Nathan. Something you could consider, is that God is manifest in the flesh in every life that's submitted to his guidance.
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Post by fixit on Sept 14, 2014 17:01:17 GMT -5
You're entitled to believe that Mary is God's mother, and that aliens are angels, or anything else for that matter.
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Post by Mary on Sept 14, 2014 18:36:05 GMT -5
Both you and Nathan attend meetings Emy so how come you are not of the same mind? You talk about unity but is there unity in meetings? Also Nathan believes in aliens, do you Amy? Because there is no set theology we must believe. Though Spirit-led, we may be at different places in the journey. There may come a day when both of us are at the same place. The unity comes because Nathan does not require me to be lock-step with him and I don't require him to be lock-step with me. The Spirit gives liberty. 2 Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.This is the direct opposite to what the workers have always preached regarding unity. They say they have the same spirit the world over. There is set theology that you must believe and you do not need me to spell these out. Your post is opposite to all that the workers teach. They must have the same mind, etc. and they say that those in the world do not have unity because of their different beliefs. The workers want you in step with them. And there is fixit who does not believe what Nathan does. Nathan is out of step with what the 2x2s teach. Interesting that those who believe different from what the workers have get thrown out of meetings while you say it is not a problem.
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Post by holdmyhand on Sept 14, 2014 19:20:28 GMT -5
Both you and Nathan attend meetings Emy so how come you are not of the same mind? You talk about unity but is there unity in meetings? Also Nathan believes in aliens, do you Amy? Because there is no set theology we must believe. Though Spirit-led, we may be at different places in the journey. There may come a day when both of us are at the same place. The unity comes because Nathan does not require me to be lock-step with him and I don't require him to be lock-step with me. The Spirit gives liberty. 2 Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.Emy we may like to think this the case but this is what our resident worker recently posted professing.proboards.com/post/605003/quote/22349?page=5holdmyhand (here is another nice and instructive little parable/story) picture this:your family and friends go and watch you marching in a band. They commented afterwards "we had a cheerful time, holdmyhand was the best, happiest chap in the band. Everyone was out of step today except our holdmyhand. We have no confidence in the band's 'marching integrity'. Everyone is out of step except our holdmyhand. We have great love and respect for holdmyhand's marching."
I guess you 'have a great love and respect for those' (your family and friends?) who assure you that you are 'in step' and the ministry is 'out of step'.
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