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Post by bubbles on Sept 3, 2014 17:17:55 GMT -5
Last night I watched an interesting program.
Id been thinking how our western culture have a problem with the spirit world whereas many other cultures dont. Eg: Aborigines, Maori, pacific Islanders, Indonesia, Asia, India, American Indian, the Inkas, all these cultures embrace and acknowledge as part of their heritage spirits exist and the spirit world is real to them. The list goes on. some westerners believe in ghosts. Why are we different? Do we think we are somehow superior? I also find it odd that a lot of christians while admitting they are saved by the holy spirit find the topic difficult.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 3, 2014 17:24:25 GMT -5
Last night I watched an interesting program. Id been thinking how our western culture have a problem with the spirit world whereas many other cultures dont. Eg: Aborigines, Maori, pacific Islanders, Indonesia, Asia, India, American Indian, the Inkas, all these cultures embrace and acknowledge as part of their heritage spirits exist and the spirit world is real to them. The list goes on. some westerners believe in ghosts. Why are we different? Do we think we are somehow superior? I also find it odd that a lot of christians while admitting they are saved by the holy spirit find the topic difficult. It's the problem of education.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 3, 2014 17:32:19 GMT -5
The program was about a black prophet in Africa with a mega church. The journalist was black from Britain. Non christian. mcboro had come from nothing and is now wearingb $2000 suits. Has armed security in prestige cars. ALso his own radio show where he prays for people and they recieve healing and deliverance at other end of phone. PEOple love the prophet because he gives them hope. Everywhere he goes he is surrounded by people and he hugs them all. Journalist is baffled astounded but particularly when prophet asks the whole church to bring underwear for him to pray (in the sunday meeting)to stop people contracting huge worms hundreds lay their hand on their privates in front of each other believing the curse not to touch them. While lifting their undeez to heaven. Unheard of in our society. Heres the thing in their society it is real! I tried to imagine how a worker or most pastors would have responded to someone with huge worms exiting their body Im not being funny. Honest.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 3, 2014 17:37:26 GMT -5
Bob
This is a fundamental aspect if daily life for these people. Blessing and curses are real. We are uneducated? Certainly. But why? Is it a white man thing? Seems to be.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 3, 2014 17:48:30 GMT -5
Last night I watched an interesting program. ed been thinking how our western culture have a problem with the spirit world whereas many other cultures dont. Eg: Aborigines, Maori, pacific Islanders, Indonesia, Asia, India, American Indian, the Inkas, all these cultures embrace and acknowledge as part of their heritage spirits exist and the spirit world is real to them. The list goes on. some westerners believe in ghosts. Why are we different? Do we think we are somehow superior? I also find it odd that a lot of christians while admitting they are saved by the holy spirit find the topic difficult. This would be a great time to read the book The Religion Virus: Why We Believe in God: An Evolutionist Explains Religion's Incredible Hold on Humanity by Craig A. James "Why do some beliefs become extinct while others adapt and flourish?
James shows us how genetic evolution and cultural evolution, though operating at different rates, are one and the same.
Recent science has gone a long way toward explaining the origin of religious belief in evolutionary terms, but Craig James has cracked open the mystery of its tenacity.
Religion does not exist for us, it exists for its own sake. Like a selfish gene or a parasite, the religion virus catches a free ride in the minds of our species, infecting our history and culture."
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Post by bubbles on Sept 3, 2014 18:00:10 GMT -5
Bob
This is a fundamental aspect if daily life for these people. Blessing and curses are real. We are uneducated? Certainly. But why? Is it a white man thing? Seems to be.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 3, 2014 18:05:43 GMT -5
Dimmchgood
I dont think u can put all this down to religion. Instead of quoting all these other humans comments and opinions it would be appreciated if you could place yourself in someone elses shoes who had a large fish in their stomach. What would you do?
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 3, 2014 18:11:32 GMT -5
The program was about a black prophet in Africa with a mega church. The journalist was black from Britain. Non christian. mcboro had come from nothing and is now wearingb $2000 suits. Has armed security in prestige cars.ALso his own radio show where he prays for people and they recieve healing and deliverance at other end of phone. PEOple love the prophet because he gives them hope. Everywhere he goes he is surrounded by people and he hugs them all. Journalist is baffled astounded but particularly when prophet asks the whole church to bring underwear for him to pray (in the sunday meeting)to stop people contracting huge worms hundreds lay their hand on their privates in front of each other believing the curse not to touch them. While lifting their undeez to heaven. Unheard of in our society. Heres the thing in their society it is real!
I tried to imagine how a worker or most pastors would have responded to someone with huge worms exiting their body Im not being funny. Honest. I know you are not being funny. Sadly it is true.
That description is the way religious charlatan make all that money, because they give people "hope."
The people don't realize that it is a false hope because they don't know the real cause of those worms. It really isn't any more real in their society than it is real in our own society, -considering the way some Christian evangelists operate in our society. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inpr9HYVB1w
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Post by bubbles on Sept 3, 2014 18:21:51 GMT -5
Take religion out of the equation. Please answer my question woman. If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms? Take your pick.
No hospitals or doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 18:30:19 GMT -5
Last night I watched an interesting program. Id been thinking how our western culture have a problem with the spirit world whereas many other cultures dont. Eg: Aborigines, Maori, pacific Islanders, Indonesia, Asia, India, American Indian, the Inkas, all these cultures embrace and acknowledge as part of their heritage spirits exist and the spirit world is real to them. The list goes on. some westerners believe in ghosts. Why are we different? Do we think we are somehow superior? I also find it odd that a lot of christians while admitting they are saved by the holy spirit find the topic difficult. there are alot of westerners/christians that believe in spirits, in fact faith healers and preachers(per them) say they cast out devils all the time...in fact there is scripture about when saul brought samuel(?) back from the dead temporarily 1 samuel 28...
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 3, 2014 18:36:34 GMT -5
Dimmchgood I dont think u can put all this down to religion.Instead of quoting all these other humans comments and opinions it would be appreciated if you could place yourself in someone elses shoes who had a large fish in their stomach. What would you do? What else would it be other than religion? I found this on wiki about Mboro "In the third and final episode of Reggie Yates’s Extreme South Africa, airing on Monday night, BBC presenter Reggie Yates spends a week with charismatic and controversial preacher, Prophet Mboro.
South Africa is a country devoted to God, and Pentecostal ‘Megachurches’ are booming. But as well as conventional priests, thousands of young people follow self-styled prophets — and Prophet Mboro is one of the most controversial and colourful of them all.
In a world of witchcraft, exorcisms and heavily armed guards, Mboro is adored by the thousands of followers in his Gauteng megachurch and renowned as much for his dancing as the ‘miracles’ he performs. Yates has already rejected African Pentecostal faith once in his life, and now he tries to discover whether a multi-millionaire King of Bling with 30 flash cars can really be a messenger from God. But the deeper he digs, the more conflicted he becomes – until he starts to confront some truths much closer to home."
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 3, 2014 18:55:23 GMT -5
Take religion out of the equation. Please answer my question woman. If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms? Take your pick. No hospitals or doctor. OOPS, woman! -give me some time!
I was going to answer each part of the post because it is too long for just one answer!
As to your post: "If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms?"
"No hospitals or doctor."
You don't think there are any hospitals or doctors in South Africa where Mboro lives if he can have a radio station & guards & multiple cars? You don't think there are any hospitals or doctors in South Africa where there are Pentecostal ‘Megachurches’ booming?
A "megachurch" surely isn't a small church in a small rural village, do you think?
Now , PLEASE, give me some time to answer your question concerning, If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms?"
I gotta' go mow the lawn before it gets dark.
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Post by rational on Sept 3, 2014 19:26:01 GMT -5
Take religion out of the equation. Please answer my question woman. If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms? Take your pick. No hospitals or doctor. It is doubtful that there are large fish living in the bellies of humans. Sounds like the situation where people are convinced that they have a disease and then it is 'cured'. Reminds me of the psychic surgery hoax that was/is practiced in the Philippines and Brazil. Are you talking about guinea worm infection (dracunculiasis)?
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 3, 2014 19:54:48 GMT -5
Bob This is a fundamental aspect if daily life for these people. Blessing and curses are real. We are uneducated? Certainly. But why? Is it a white man thing? Seems to be. I didn't say "we" are uneducated. What I meant was: educated people are much less inclined to believe in spirits. There's a reason for that.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 3, 2014 20:02:09 GMT -5
Take religion out of the equation. Please answer my question woman. If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms? Take your pick. No hospitals or doctor. You can't take religion out of the equation. That's what religion is -- proposing solutions to life's unsolvable and mysterious problems. Religion is not solely about "gods" per se.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 3, 2014 20:04:29 GMT -5
Take religion out of the equation. Please answer my question woman. If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms? Take your pick. No hospitals or doctor. It is doubtful that there are large fish living in the bellies of humans. Sounds like the situation where people are convinced that they have a disease and then it is 'cured'. Reminds me of the psychic surgery hoax that was/is practiced in the Philippines and Brazil. Are you talking about guinea worm infection (dracunculiasis)? I thought the large fish in the belly was a joke. Oh well.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 3, 2014 20:30:24 GMT -5
Dimmchgood I dont think u can put all this down to religion. Instead of quoting all these other humans comments and opinions it would be appreciated if you could place yourself in someone elses shoes w ho had a large fish in their stomach.What would you do? Oh wow, Now I am confused.
I thought it was all about that guy, you know-Jonah, -who was a "human in the belly of a large fish!"
(Sorry, I just couldn't resist that! )
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 3, 2014 21:14:25 GMT -5
Dimmchgood I dont think u can put all this down to religion. Instead of quoting all these other humans comments and opinions it would be appreciated if you could place yourself in someone elses shoes who had a large fish in their stomach. What would you do? How would a large fish get into a person's belly? Isn't that as far fetched as a man ending up in a fish's belly?
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Post by rational on Sept 3, 2014 21:28:42 GMT -5
Dimmchgood I dont think u can put all this down to religion. Instead of quoting all these other humans comments and opinions it would be appreciated if you could place yourself in someone elses shoes who had a large fish in their stomach. What would you do? How would a large fish get into a person's belly? Isn't that as far fetched as a man ending up in a fish's belly? If the owner of the belly is the only thing alive they are both possible!
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 3, 2014 21:31:00 GMT -5
How would a large fish get into a person's belly? Isn't that as far fetched as a man ending up in a fish's belly? If the owner of the belly is the only thing alive they are both possible! Thankfully he swallowed his goldfish before the mass extinction.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 3, 2014 22:22:33 GMT -5
Take religion out of the equation. Please answer my question woman. If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now to address this question:' "If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms?"Jokes first (You gotta listen to the jokes first.)
#1) If the fish were dead, I'd take a laxative & hope the fish would proceed through my intestinal track as per usual. #2) If the fish flung itself about in my stomach, -I'd go to the emergency room & have a gastro-enterologist take scope & bait the d--n thing & fish it out!
OK, OK! have some patience.
On the serious side.
If I had a "large fish or huge worms in my belly" that was an actual condition and considered to be very serious, I don't know what I would do.
We see highly intelligent, well educated, modern people go completely off the rails when it comes to their personal health issues. They will try out all kinds of alternate therapies, - some crazy, -some out & out frauds,
Example:
Steve Jobs. He tried all kinds of alternate therapies for cancer instead of well established cancer treatments. By the time they all had failed, the cancer was too far gone for medical treatment.
When it comes to us personally, it seems to be a totally different issue.
So truthfully, I don't know what I would do. I do hope that I would react according to the knowledge that I have acquired in life.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 3, 2014 22:54:39 GMT -5
Take religion out of the equation. Please answer my question woman. If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now to address this question:' "If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms?"Jokes first (You gotta listen to the jokes first.)
#1) If the fish were dead, I'd take a laxative & hope the fish would proceed through my intestinal track as per usual. #2) If the fish flung itself about in my stomach, -I'd go to the emergency room & have a gastro-enterologist take scope & bait the d--n thing & fish it out!
OK, OK! have some patience.
On the serious side.
If I had a "large fish or huge worms in my belly" that was an actual condition and considered to be very serious, I don't know what I would do.
We see highly intelligent, well educated, modern people go completely off the rails when it comes to their personal health issues. They will try out all kinds of alternate therapies, - some crazy, -some out & out frauds,
Example:
Steve Jobs. He tried all kinds of alternate therapies for cancer instead of well established cancer treatments. By the time they all had failed, the cancer was too far gone for medical treatment.
When it comes to us personally, it seems to be a totally different issue.
So truthfully, I don't know what I would do. I do hope that I would react according to the knowledge that I have acquired in life.
If I had a large fish in my stomach, I would do like a cow and chew mu cud.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 4, 2014 1:02:01 GMT -5
Now to address this question:' "If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms?"Jokes first (You gotta listen to the jokes first.)
#1) If the fish were dead, I'd take a laxative & hope the fish would proceed through my intestinal track as per usual. #2) If the fish flung itself about in my stomach, -I'd go to the emergency room & have a gastro-enterologist take scope & bait the d--n thing & fish it out!
OK, OK! have some patience.
On the serious side.
If I had a "large fish or huge worms in my belly" that was an actual condition and considered to be very serious, I don't know what I would do.
We see highly intelligent, well educated, modern people go completely off the rails when it comes to their personal health issues. They will try out all kinds of alternate therapies, - some crazy, -some out & out frauds,
Example:
Steve Jobs. He tried all kinds of alternate therapies for cancer instead of well established cancer treatments. By the time they all had failed, the cancer was too far gone for medical treatment.
When it comes to us personally, it seems to be a totally different issue.
So truthfully, I don't know what I would do. I do hope that I would react according to the knowledge that I have acquired in life.
If I had a large fish in my stomach, I would do like a cow and chew mu cud. ehum ...I don't think that you could do that.
Cows are herbivores, they only eat vegetation, -no meat
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Post by bubbles on Sept 4, 2014 1:42:10 GMT -5
Bob This is a fundamental aspect if daily life for these people. Blessing and curses are real. We are uneducated? Certainly. But why? Is it a white man thing? Seems to be. I didn't say "we" are uneducated. What I meant was: educated people are much less inclined to believe in spirits. There's a reason for that. I never got to finish the story. Mboro got the journalist on stage. Asked him if he had ever had a fish in his stomach. He hadnt. But someone in that church had. Its got me thinking about the power of our minds. We use a small percent of our brain. Why? Is it about belief. Good or bad?(im not talking about God here.JFTR Is there power in the belief? Dmmich you went off on a tangent. I dont think you are hearing me. For once can you stay with me instead of running down the familiar road. btw im a slow thinker.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 4, 2014 1:44:03 GMT -5
Curses are powerful to some cultures. Id even go as far as to say more powerful in their mind than blessing.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 4, 2014 1:46:52 GMT -5
Take religion out of the equation. Please answer my question woman. If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now to address this question:' "If you had a large fish in your belly what would you do? Or huge worms?"Jokes first (You gotta listen to the jokes first.)
#1) If the fish were dead, I'd take a laxative & hope the fish would proceed through my intestinal track as per usual. #2) If the fish flung itself about in my stomach, -I'd go to the emergency room & have a gastro-enterologist take scope & bait the d--n thing & fish it out!
OK, OK! have some patience.
On the serious side.
If I had a "large fish or huge worms in my belly" that was an actual condition and considered to be very serious, I don't know what I would do.
We see highly intelligent, well educated, modern people go completely off the rails when it comes to their personal health issues. They will try out all kinds of alternate therapies, - some crazy, -some out & out frauds,
Example:
Steve Jobs. He tried all kinds of alternate therapies for cancer instead of well established cancer treatments. By the time they all had failed, the cancer was too far gone for medical treatment.
When it comes to us personally, it seems to be a totally different issue.
So truthfully, I don't know what I would do. I do hope that I would react according to the knowledge that I have acquired in life.
Thank you madam. I think I would be prepared to try anything. It would be frightening
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 4, 2014 1:47:29 GMT -5
If I had a large fish in my stomach, I would do like a cow and chew mu cud. ehum ...I don't think that you could do that.
Cows are herbivores, they only eat vegetation, -no meat
I must be a bull, then.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 4, 2014 2:04:30 GMT -5
I didn't say "we" are uneducated. What I meant was: educated people are much less inclined to believe in spirits. There's a reason for that. I never got to finish the story. Mboro got the journalist on stage. Asked him if he had ever had a fish in his stomach. He hadnt. But someone in that church had. And did you actually believe that? Normally it's because we are either lazy scholars or we are mentally retarded. I suppose some religious person would " suppose" that god had a reason and it "must" have been for spare brain cells in case of an emergency. Yes, our minds are very powerful -- but "believing" isn't evidence of our mind's power -- discovering is evidence of that. It's far easier to believe than it is to reason. Yes, there is power in belief. It doesn't matter what the belief is. Someone believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and look what happened to the world because of his belief. It would have been much better it he had listened to people who were using their minds instead of their beliefs. Oops -- I'm sorry. That's okay.
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