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Post by matisse on Aug 19, 2014 7:27:00 GMT -5
I was struck by something when my daughter registered at the University of Chicago. It was so noticeble that those young women had more to do than make up their faces. So much so, that one young woman really looked out of place with all her make up.So did the women at Chicago wear comfortable shoes to go with their comfortable faces?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 19, 2014 9:41:54 GMT -5
Did I say anything about MEN?
No,you didn't, but I did. Mine was a feeble attempt at fairness, so the conversation wouldn't be just about women's appearance. (In my time associating with the 2x2s, most of the men sported the unNatural Look of a shaved face.) This was not always so. I remember seeing elderly brother workers with grey or white mustaches and/or goatees......or some had beards....my cousin used to say as a child he hated to see one of those brother workers stand up on the platform for it meant that the longer the beard, the longer the preaching! In the beginning, often the brothers had no way to have a place much less a mirror to see how to shave, etc....and when their companions would trim their hair on their head they'd trim the mustaches and beards! Seems to me Jim McCleod had a white goatee the one time I met him to know him....but I could have someone else in my mind.....Jim had quite a brogue also.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 19, 2014 12:56:37 GMT -5
I was struck by something when my daughter registered at the University of Chicago. It was so noticeble that those young women had more to do than make up their faces. So much so, that one young woman really looked out of place with all her make up.So did the women at Chicago wear comfortable shoes to go with their comfortable faces? Yep! They were smarter than I was at their age! My feet now let me know it!
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 19, 2014 13:01:48 GMT -5
I was struck by something when my daughter registered at the University of Chicago. It was so noticeble that those young women had more to do than make up their faces. So much so, that one young woman really looked out of place with all her make up. Never noticed anything like this at U of Chicago. Wonder if things have changed. ehum... I wonder who did catch your attention?
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Post by rational on Aug 19, 2014 15:02:08 GMT -5
Never noticed anything like this at U of Chicago. Wonder if things have changed. ehum... I wonder who did catch your attention? ::) (rofl)
People who looked like the general population!
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 19, 2014 16:26:19 GMT -5
ehum... I wonder who did catch your attention?
People who looked like the general population! Good lord! I just had a terrible thought! Maybe that is what is happening these days.!
Maybe I'm living in the past? I've worried that could happen.
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Post by Gene on Aug 19, 2014 16:49:57 GMT -5
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Post by bubbles on Aug 19, 2014 17:11:38 GMT -5
If there is spark in the eyes compassion from the heart, quick wit and stimulating conversation. The skin hair figure fly out the door for me. I admire natural beauty. Love to compliment the young or old. I can find something appealing with mos5 people even the physically challenged in the looks department. Growing up as a 2x2 teen I had conflicting confusing comments from workers. Lòoking back I think their motives were off wack. Women should be free to choose whether to wear makeup or not and if their makeup skills arent good help them. Send them off to classes.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Aug 21, 2014 20:12:03 GMT -5
I saw a documentary of TF a while ago (The Eyes of Tammy Faye) and I really sort of liked her, to my surprise... She seemed very warm and caring of others. It's easy to see someone as a "cartoon like" person but chances are your only seeing the surface. I might add, I was picked on as a young girl, for the way I looked. Always wearing dresses, hair pulled back etc. It hurt at the time. Why do we think its acceptable to be so critical? Who said it's acceptable to be critical? People are critical, none-the-less, and they can be critical of one person for some sort of short-coming, while looking the other way for another person who has a short-coming. I don't think Bob's comment was meant specifically to criticize Tammy Faye, but just voicing his own point of view and taste. Obviously he does not find the Tammy Faye look very attractive and has no desire to kiss anything like that. I think he is just being honest.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Aug 21, 2014 20:24:04 GMT -5
And guess what? Here we are again.
Talking, talking about how women look!
Not about personal characteristics, integrity, contributions to society, intellectual abilities, - no, just how she looks!
PLEASE-feel free to comment on other personal characteristics and abilities in women! If not in this thread, then start a new one. No one has stated all there is to women is their looks. But, to be totally honest with you, men are visual creatures. It's the way we are wired. And for that fact, we can written off as being shallow. If a woman wants to keep her marriage healthy and happy, she probably needs to keep herself looking good like the day she got married. Too many women let their looks go down hill and it doesn't have to be that way. With effort and know-how, women can age very well and still look good at any age. Just like us men need to keep up on ourselves and how we look, etc. I've always tried to keep my body in shape and well toned. The day I took my vows for marriage, I pledged to myself I wouldn't let myself grow a beer belly and become flabby. I felt it was best to keep my physique in a way that will be attractive to my wife. Now, I've been married, divorced and re-married. My first wife was not physically unattractive, but her spirit and personality became VERY unattractive to me as living with her showed her true colors that basically she was a selfish (_itch). Breaking up had nothing to do with looks and everything to do with incompatibility. My second wife is just a much nicer, less selfish person and we get along better, which makes for a much more peaceful home; it's a happier marriage all around.
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 21, 2014 20:33:53 GMT -5
And guess what? Here we are again.
Talking, talking about how women look!
Not about personal characteristics, integrity, contributions to society, intellectual abilities, - no, just how she looks!
You bring up a good point. There have been times where, (if I didn't know any better), I thought all men are interested in are looks. And while looks may catch a man's attention at first, it's not pure looks that will keep his attention in an abiding way. There are many, many men that respect women for all they do and other qualities. Maybe the reason this topic seems to resurface here is that the board is about a religion that emphasizes the (outward) appearance of women more so than the outward appearance of men.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Aug 21, 2014 21:17:07 GMT -5
And guess what? Here we are again.
Talking, talking about how women look!
Not about personal characteristics, integrity, contributions to society, intellectual abilities, - no, just how she looks!
You bring up a good point. There have been times where, (if I didn't know any better), I thought all men are interested in are looks. And while looks may catch a man's attention at first, it's not pure looks that will keep his attention in an abiding way. There are many, many men that respect women for all they do and other qualities. Maybe the reason this topic seems to resurface here is that the board is about a religion that emphasizes the (outward) appearance of women more so than the outward appearance of men. I think you are correct in stating the religion emphasizes the outward appearance of women more than the men. But, the men are not without having a little bit of pressure placed on them also in how to dress, appear. I personally did not feel much pressure as a guy to 'fit in' with other professing guys. I DID, however notice that by and large you were expected to dress nice for Sunday morning meetings and convention, including tie for some. But there were plenty of other men who did NOT wear ties and who grew facial hair, so these types never did stick out like a sore thumb. But, I'm getting away from the original topic. (big surprise?!) I wanted to talk about my second wife. We are still married and our marriage is working and is a lot happier than my first marriage. I understand some of the reasons for this. Part of it is that when I married my second wife I had grown up a little and had stopped abusing alcohol. Me and my first wife met at an alcohol party and both of us drank.(frequently to excess) I'm not saying that couples who BOTH drink alcohol are doomed, but that was the case for my first marriage. Drinking just didn't do us very many favors toward a lasting relationship and when we were drinking (too much) we had some of our worst fights and things were said while under the influence that were very hurtful for which we found it hard to forgive and forget. While my second marriage is to someone who drinks socially now and then, overall neither she nor I overly indulge and that has been a good thing for our marriage. But I wanted to talk about my second wife and the MANY reasons I love and respect her. She is an independent spirit, meaning, she doesn't depend on me TOO much. Of course she depends on me some as that is just how relationships are; people do depend on one another to an extent. But, she doesn't depend on me to make her happy. She has always said that she is the one who is in charge of her OWN happiness and she feels empowered to shoot for that happiness. She's a career woman and does well in her career, which I very much respect. But, she is also a homebody and loves to be a homemaker. She loves being a mother and is a good one. She didn't whine, whine, whine throughout her pregnancies about all the little aches and pains of pregnancy, but seemed to take it all in stride. I'm not saying women have to be silent. But, compared to my FIRST wife, my second wife was a breath of fresh air in the "whiney" department. She didn't whine about her upbringing and she has never, EVER, I repeat EVER been the type to try and get others to feel sorry for her. Things happened in her upbringing that could have produced a person who is bitter and attention-seeking by garnering pity. In fact, she would be hard pressed to talk about herself in certain ways. She does not dwell on the past, but invests in the present and the future. Most of all, she doesn't nag me all the time to do this and do that. Am I describing the perfect woman? Hell if I know. All I know is that I have a happy marriage, and it's not just based on looks. My wife is SO capable, it's not funny. She is smart, talented, witty, wise. These are all things that won my heart...but I have say too, that she is good looking and physically attractive to me. Like it or not, that figures into it all.
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 21, 2014 21:28:51 GMT -5
I saw a documentary of TF a while ago (The Eyes of Tammy Faye) and I really sort of liked her, to my surprise... She seemed very warm and caring of others. It's easy to see someone as a "cartoon like" person but chances are your only seeing the surface. I might add, I was picked on as a young girl, for the way I looked. Always wearing dresses, hair pulled back etc. It hurt at the time. Why do we think its acceptable to be so critical? Who said it's acceptable to be critical? People are critical, none-the-less, and they can be critical of one person for some sort of short-coming, while looking the other way for another person who has a short-coming. I don't think Bob's comment was meant specifically to criticize Tammy Faye, but just voicing his own point of view and taste. Obviously he does not find the Tammy Faye look very attractive and has no desire to kiss anything like that. I think he is just being honest. In my experience, the more unhappy and unsettled a person feels about their self, the more likely they are to criticize others for every little thing; a person who is contented and truly happy is less critical.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 22:49:37 GMT -5
How many people, ex or current (or neither, like me) prefer the natural look on women? I do. Whether ex or current or neither. One of the things I particularly remember confirming 'this was the girl for me...' was noticing her grey hairs among all the others, young lady though she was. Perhaps it was my admiring her for that is what confirmed to her that 'this is the guy for me'. It's a beautiful thing when that works out. Ettu
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Aug 22, 2014 21:08:22 GMT -5
How many people, ex or current (or neither, like me) prefer the natural look on women? I do. Whether ex or current or neither. One of the things I particularly remember confirming 'this was the girl for me...' was noticing her grey hairs among all the others, young lady though she was. Perhaps it was my admiring her for that is what confirmed to her that 'this is the guy for me'. It's a beautiful thing when that works out. Ettu I think perhaps many if not most men have the same sentiment as you do regarding the natural look. There is just something about natural beauty. And, when I started this thread I wasn't thinking so much about body hair as I was about make-up, jewelry and hair color. There are many women to go to great lengths to take care of their looks and even to great lengths to look beautiful, but in a natural way. And old hair-dresser of mine stated once that when hair color is done right it looks like one's natural color. I like the way Julia Roberts is wearing her hair these days. I don't know what her natural color would be...maybe by now it would have some gray in it! I think there are some gray-headed folks that have beautiful hair; some shades and hues of gray are lovely. I'm pretty much bald myself by now, so the whole hair issue for me in a non-issue. I love my wife's lovely locks, though!
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 22, 2014 21:59:51 GMT -5
Your blue might be gray, Your less might be more.
Your window to the world, Might be your own front.
Your shiniest day, Might come in the middle of the night...
That's just about right.
-Blackhawk
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 22, 2014 22:22:28 GMT -5
Whirlwind running through my head Wasted words that people said The wind is howling at my door I don't listen anymore
The darkened sky blocks out the sun Still reeling from the damage done If I go out and chase that wind I might not make it back again
Let 'em whirl, who are we to say You gotta do things different I know a better way Let 'em whirl, there's a child in everyone Who's got to ride the storm out To see who'll they'll become Let 'em whirl
The simple things are hard to see I got you and you've got me No cause left for us to fight Being wrong's a God given right
Let 'em whirl, who are we to say You gotta do things different I know a better way Let 'em whirl, there's a child in everyone Who's got to ride the storm out To see who'll they'll become Let 'em whirl
We all learn the hard way We can't pretend to know Where life is gonna lead us Or which way the wind will blow Let 'em whirl
Let 'em whirl, who are we to say You gotta do things different I know a better way Let 'em whirl, there's a child in everyone Who's got to ride the storm out To see who'll they'll become Let 'em whirl
Songwriters: STEPHENSON, VAN WESLEY/PAUL, HENRY/JENNINGS, GREG J. Let 'em Whirl lyrics © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc., EMI Music Publishing
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I miss groups like Blackhawk. Beats all that garbage their playin' on country radio these days. -bb
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 23:54:08 GMT -5
Quote "In my experience, the more unhappy and unsettled a person feels about their self, the more likely they are to criticize others for every little thing; a person who is contented and truly happy is less critical."
That's my experience too, bitter Betty. And I have learned that the more bitter a person is, the more the critic they often become. And becoming a critic they comply with the Law of "Fruedian Projection" and call everyone but themselves "critics."
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Post by Mary on Aug 23, 2014 2:13:28 GMT -5
Quote " In my experience, the more unhappy and unsettled a person feels about their self, the more likely they are to criticize others for every little thing; a person who is contented and truly happy is less critical." That's my experience too, bitter Betty. And I have learned that the more bitter a person is, the more the critic they often become. And becoming a critic they comply with the Law of "Fruedian Projection" and call everyone but themselves "critics." It is spelt Freudian - perhaps that was a Freudian slip.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 23, 2014 16:53:18 GMT -5
Did I say anything about MEN?
No,you didn't, but I did. Mine was a feeble attempt at fairness, so the conversation wouldn't be just about women's appearance. (In my time associating with the 2x2s, most of the men sported the unNatural Look of a shaved face.) Interesting comment. It was Paul that told people that men should be clean shaven. Just another indication that he was more Greek than Jewish in his "philosophy".
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 23, 2014 16:59:15 GMT -5
Unfortunately the rule is "reasonable expectation of privacy", and a chain link fence doesn't do that. HAHAHAHA Why do I find it so amusing that people get so upset at seeing a naked person?
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 23, 2014 17:04:37 GMT -5
I saw a documentary of TF a while ago (The Eyes of Tammy Faye) and I really sort of liked her, to my surprise... She seemed very warm and caring of others. It's easy to see someone as a "cartoon like" person but chances are your only seeing the surface. I might add, I was picked on as a young girl, for the way I looked. Always wearing dresses, hair pulled back etc. It hurt at the time. Why do we think its acceptable to be so critical? Who said it's acceptable to be critical? People are critical, none-the-less, and they can be critical of one person for some sort of short-coming, while looking the other way for another person who has a short-coming. I don't think Bob's comment was meant specifically to criticize Tammy Faye, but just voicing his own point of view and taste. Obviously he does not find the Tammy Faye look very attractive and has no desire to kiss anything like that. I think he is just being honest. Thank you. Actually, I wasn't being as critical of Tammy Faye's face as I was at the thought of someone thinking they needed to apply no less than a clown applies to her face to look attractive. And my goodness -- do men even kiss a woman in that condition. Say nothing about getting caught with it on your underpants -- you'd have it all over your face first of all.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 23, 2014 19:04:24 GMT -5
The latest trend in uk the young women turn out like they have just hair and makeup done for a photo shoot. They walk their dogs like that. She had the most beautiful great St.Bernard dog. I fell in love with him too.dmmg
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Post by blacksheep on Aug 23, 2014 20:12:39 GMT -5
It was Paul that told people that men should be clean shaven. Just another indication that he was more Greek than Jewish in his "philosophy". Paul was also the character that supposedly wrote "that nature itself shows us that it is a shame for a man to have long hair." He never elaborated as to how he drew that conclusion.....It seems to me that nature shows us just the opposite. (Think: Lions, buffaloes)
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Post by rational on Aug 23, 2014 20:18:54 GMT -5
It was Paul that told people that men should be clean shaven. Just another indication that he was more Greek than Jewish in his "philosophy". Paul was also the character that supposedly wrote "that nature itself shows us that it is a shame for a man to have long hair." He never elaborated as to how he drew that conclusion.....It seems to me that nature shows us just the opposite. (Think: Lions, buffaloes) I looked at his notes and I think this is what he had in mind:
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 23, 2014 20:27:52 GMT -5
Paul was also the character that supposedly wrote "that nature itself shows us that it is a shame for a man to have long hair." He never elaborated as to how he drew that conclusion.....It seems to me that nature shows us just the opposite. (Think: Lions, buffaloes) I looked at his notes and I think this is what he had in mind: Shreeeeeek! It's NAKED.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 23, 2014 21:50:32 GMT -5
The latest trend in uk the young women turn out like they have just hair and makeup done for a photo shoot. They walk their dogs like that. She had the most beautiful great St.Bernard dog. I fell in love with him too. dmmg What does dmmg mean?
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 23, 2014 21:53:35 GMT -5
I looked at his notes and I think this is what he had in mind: Shreeeeeek! It's NAKED. Whenever I see a picture of those little dogs they look so cold that I want to knit a little sweater for them.
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