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Post by kurtzphil69 on Aug 17, 2014 18:46:42 GMT -5
How many people, ex or current (or neither, like me) prefer the natural look on women? Reason I'm asking this here is the other day I was talking with some pals of mine and they were saying how much they preferred their women to not look fake/phony with tons of make-up caked on and dry, brittle hair that has been bleached too much, etc. I guess everyone has different things they do and do not like. Some folks like the 'dolltly' look; others find it is a turn-off.
My ex wife used to wear make-up, but remember telling her more than once that she didn't need it and looked better without. Was I out of line to say things like that? Is that one reason she became my ex-she didn't feel I should have a say in the matter and was butting in where I shouldn't.
My sister-in-law is an ex-Mormon and she was telling me how when she was a Mormon she felt 'pressured' to look 'made up' and the Mormons referred to this particular 'look' as being "FINISHED". She said they would even have classes for the young ladies to teach them how to get that 'finished' look. How to put make up on and style their hair etc. When she left the Mormon church she said she was relieved of that pressure and could then feel free to have a more natural look, which she personally has always preferred. She is blessed with beautiful skin that has aged well, I must say.
I can see where this might apply to the truth. Is there a certain "look" that is sought after and taught to the women to look like a 'finished' product of the Lord?
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Post by déjà vu on Aug 17, 2014 19:15:07 GMT -5
I posted this before
" some say that it is a sin to put on make up but I say for some women it is a sin not to put some on" by Dr. J. Vernon McGee
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Post by snow on Aug 17, 2014 20:13:09 GMT -5
How many people, ex or current (or neither, like me) prefer the natural look on women? Reason I'm asking this here is the other day I was talking with some pals of mine and they were saying how much they preferred their women to not look fake/phony with tons of make-up caked on and dry, brittle hair that has been bleached too much, etc. I guess everyone has different things they do and do not like. Some folks like the 'dolltly' look; others find it is a turn-off. My ex wife used to wear make-up, but remember telling her more than once that she didn't need it and looked better without. Was I out of line to say things like that? Is that one reason she became my ex-she didn't feel I should have a say in the matter and was butting in where I shouldn't. My sister-in-law is an ex-Mormon and she was telling me how when she was a Mormon she felt 'pressured' to look 'made up' and the Mormons referred to this particular 'look' as being "FINISHED". She said they would even have classes for the young ladies to teach them how to get that 'finished' look. How to put make up on and style their hair etc. When she left the Mormon church she said she was relieved of that pressure and could then feel free to have a more natural look, which she personally has always preferred. She is blessed with beautiful skin that has aged well, I must say. I can see where this might apply to the truth. Is there a certain "look" that is sought after and taught to the women to look like a 'finished' product of the Lord? Personally, I think it depends on the woman. How she feels with or without make up and what makes her comfortable. It really isn't about wrong or right. Very blonde women have white eyelashes for example and it usually looks nicer (imo) to wear some mascara. I don't wear a lot of make up, but because I am very blonde, I do wear mascara. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to tell I have eyelashes. I don't think plastering on make up is the deal. Most women are taught how to apply make up so that it enhances, but does not look made up. But it definitely is a personal thing just like it seems to be a personal thing with guys whether they like make up on women or not. Some love it and some don't and some don't care one way or the other as long as the woman is happy.
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Post by jj on Aug 17, 2014 20:32:09 GMT -5
snow is on the money with this one. Each to their own. Although many make up artists say less is more. Personally I'm too lazy and cheap to wear makeup. Plus I like sleeping in
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 17, 2014 20:48:07 GMT -5
It all depends on the person and how they are endowed or not endowed or what they want to look like. Some people are blessed with great skin and to stick some foundation on it would be a shame to cover up that type of beauty. Some peoples' hair looks better the less they mess with it and looks worse the more they mess with it. But not everyone is blessed with hair that just naturally looks great. If it's done right, one can make theirself up and the finished product doesn't look very made up, but just looks good. kurtzphil, it's almost always a slippery slope any time you try to tell a woman how to dress or fix her hair or wear make-up. The best strategy is positive reinforcement and letting her know what looks good. Mind you, I'm not about to let my husband go out and about if what he is wearing totally clashes and since he is colorblind, he appreciates my input there. But, other than that, he's so low maintenance it's not funny. T-shirts, sweatshirts, jeans, cargo shorts in warm weather. Yes, telling a woman something about her looks can get dicey on you real quick if you say even the littlelest wrong thing, she is likely to take it very personal and maybe that is just one reason your wife divorced you is maybe she thought you were too controlling. A lot of women don't like to be controlled, but they do love to hear how good they look! One time, (I'll never forget this) a gorgeous man said to me: "You look good!" Talk about making a gal's day! It made my day, that's for sure; just something about hearing that coming from a man who I thought looked pretty dang good himself. So, that compliment got a lot of mileage with me. I don't think he was trying to butter me up or anything like that. He was being honest and spontaneous and I liked that.
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 17, 2014 20:50:05 GMT -5
How many people, ex or current (or neither, like me) prefer the natural look on women? Reason I'm asking this here is the other day I was talking with some pals of mine and they were saying how much they preferred their women to not look fake/phony with tons of make-up caked on and dry, brittle hair that has been bleached too much, etc. I guess everyone has different things they do and do not like. Some folks like the 'dolltly' look; others find it is a turn-off. My ex wife used to wear make-up, but remember telling her more than once that she didn't need it and looked better without. Was I out of line to say things like that? Is that one reason she became my ex-she didn't feel I should have a say in the matter and was butting in where I shouldn't. My sister-in-law is an ex-Mormon and she was telling me how when she was a Mormon she felt 'pressured' to look 'made up' and the Mormons referred to this particular 'look' as being "FINISHED". She said they would even have classes for the young ladies to teach them how to get that 'finished' look. How to put make up on and style their hair etc. When she left the Mormon church she said she was relieved of that pressure and could then feel free to have a more natural look, which she personally has always preferred. She is blessed with beautiful skin that has aged well, I must say. I can see where this might apply to the truth. Is there a certain "look" that is sought after and taught to the women to look like a 'finished' product of the Lord? Personally, I think it depends on the woman. How she feels with or without make up and what makes her comfortable. It really isn't about wrong or right. Very blonde women have white eyelashes for example and it usually looks nicer (imo) to wear some mascara. I don't wear a lot of make up, but because I am very blonde, I do wear mascara. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to tell I have eyelashes. I don't think plastering on make up is the deal. Most women are taught how to apply make up so that it enhances, but does not look made up. But it definitely is a personal thing just like it seems to be a personal thing with guys whether they like make up on women or not. Some love it and some don't and some don't care one way or the other as long as the woman is happy. I think you are right on the money.
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 17, 2014 20:53:31 GMT -5
My sister-in-law is an ex-Mormon and she was telling me how when she was a Mormon she felt 'pressured' to look 'made up' and the Mormons referred to this particular 'look' as being "FINISHED". She said they would even have classes for the young ladies to teach them how to get that 'finished' look. How to put make up on and style their hair etc. When she left the Mormon church she said she was relieved of that pressure and could then feel free to have a more natural look, which she personally has always preferred. She is blessed with beautiful skin that has aged well, I must say. I can see where this might apply to the truth. Is there a certain "look" that is sought after and taught to the women to look like a 'finished' product of the Lord? I had no idea there was any such thing as the 'finished look' among Mormon women that had to do with wearing make-up and styling their hair. You must be talking about mainstream Mormon's, not the "Fundi's"(fundamentalists).
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 17, 2014 21:00:47 GMT -5
How many people, ex or current (or neither, like me) prefer the natural look on women? Reason I'm asking this here is the other day I was talking with some pals of mine and they were saying how much they preferred their women to not look fake/phony with tons of make-up caked on and dry, brittle hair that has been bleached too much, etc. I guess everyone has different things they do and do not like. Some folks like the 'dolltly' look; others find it is a turn-off. My ex wife used to wear make-up, but remember telling her more than once that she didn't need it and looked better without. Was I out of line to say things like that? Is that one reason she became my ex-she didn't feel I should have a say in the matter and was butting in where I shouldn't. My sister-in-law is an ex-Mormon and she was telling me how when she was a Mormon she felt 'pressured' to look 'made up' and the Mormons referred to this particular 'look' as being "FINISHED". She said they would even have classes for the young ladies to teach them how to get that 'finished' look. How to put make up on and style their hair etc. When she left the Mormon church she said she was relieved of that pressure and could then feel free to have a more natural look, which she personally has always preferred. She is blessed with beautiful skin that has aged well, I must say. I can see where this might apply to the truth. Is there a certain "look" that is sought after and taught to the women to look like a 'finished' product of the Lord? I saw a T-shirt once, and it was covered with patches of red, purple, black, etc. and it said "I just ran into Tammy Faye". Can you imagine kissing a mess like that? ??
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 17, 2014 21:01:31 GMT -5
My sister-in-law is an ex-Mormon and she was telling me how when she was a Mormon she felt 'pressured' to look 'made up' and the Mormons referred to this particular 'look' as being "FINISHED". She said they would even have classes for the young ladies to teach them how to get that 'finished' look. How to put make up on and style their hair etc. When she left the Mormon church she said she was relieved of that pressure and could then feel free to have a more natural look, which she personally has always preferred. She is blessed with beautiful skin that has aged well, I must say. I can see where this might apply to the truth. Is there a certain "look" that is sought after and taught to the women to look like a 'finished' product of the Lord? I had no idea there was any such thing as the 'finished look' among Mormon women that had to do with wearing make-up and styling their hair. You must be talking about mainstream Mormon's, not the "Fundi's"(fundamentalists). That's why you can recognize a Mormon woman on the street. We have lots of them in this town.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 21:02:48 GMT -5
How many people, ex or current (or neither, like me) prefer the natural look on women? Reason I'm asking this here is the other day I was talking with some pals of mine and they were saying how much they preferred their women to not look fake/phony with tons of make-up caked on and dry, brittle hair that has been bleached too much, etc. I guess everyone has different things they do and do not like. Some folks like the 'dolltly' look; others find it is a turn-off. My ex wife used to wear make-up, but remember telling her more than once that she didn't need it and looked better without. Was I out of line to say things like that? Is that one reason she became my ex-she didn't feel I should have a say in the matter and was butting in where I shouldn't. My sister-in-law is an ex-Mormon and she was telling me how when she was a Mormon she felt 'pressured' to look 'made up' and the Mormons referred to this particular 'look' as being "FINISHED". She said they would even have classes for the young ladies to teach them how to get that 'finished' look. How to put make up on and style their hair etc. When she left the Mormon church she said she was relieved of that pressure and could then feel free to have a more natural look, which she personally has always preferred. She is blessed with beautiful skin that has aged well, I must say. I can see where this might apply to the truth. Is there a certain "look" that is sought after and taught to the women to look like a 'finished' product of the Lord? i like the natural look...my father(non professing)said he wouldn't marry a woman that wore makeup so he was attracted to my mom...
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Aug 17, 2014 21:09:02 GMT -5
Well, back to how this subject relates to women in the 'truth'. Being a guy and being around professing girls every summer when I would stay with my professing grandma, I got a pretty good taste and look at how they dressed and stuff. Long hair was the main (mane) thing that I have to say looked really really pretty if it was trimmed up nice and taken care of. Long shiny silky hair with natural highlights from summer sun was my favorite that my girlfriend had; kind of wavy like. She didn't wear any make-up except mascara and a little bit of eyebrow pencil. BUT, she didn't need eyebrow pencil because she was blessed with a nice color and shape of brown eyebrows. All she really needed to do with her brows was pluck them a little. And she had a beautiful tan. Any make-up that she might put on her skin really wouldn't have mattered because she just looked too darn good without it!
But IF make up will make a woman look better and feel better about herself, I have no problem with it.
I knew from being around my grandma and other professing people, especially the older generation, that any kind of make-up was very very frowned on. So, the young girls would go underground with it. Some of the older professing women made comments such as: "She looks like a 'Jezibel' with all that make up on." How silly. Wearing make-up was not Jezibel's biggest flaw. What she did that was wrong, she could have done with or without make-up. And, I know there are plenty of female criminals who may not wear any make-up at all....
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Aug 17, 2014 21:14:53 GMT -5
How many people, ex or current (or neither, like me) prefer the natural look on women? Reason I'm asking this here is the other day I was talking with some pals of mine and they were saying how much they preferred their women to not look fake/phony with tons of make-up caked on and dry, brittle hair that has been bleached too much, etc. I guess everyone has different things they do and do not like. Some folks like the 'dolltly' look; others find it is a turn-off. My ex wife used to wear make-up, but remember telling her more than once that she didn't need it and looked better without. Was I out of line to say things like that? Is that one reason she became my ex-she didn't feel I should have a say in the matter and was butting in where I shouldn't. My sister-in-law is an ex-Mormon and she was telling me how when she was a Mormon she felt 'pressured' to look 'made up' and the Mormons referred to this particular 'look' as being "FINISHED". She said they would even have classes for the young ladies to teach them how to get that 'finished' look. How to put make up on and style their hair etc. When she left the Mormon church she said she was relieved of that pressure and could then feel free to have a more natural look, which she personally has always preferred. She is blessed with beautiful skin that has aged well, I must say. I can see where this might apply to the truth. Is there a certain "look" that is sought after and taught to the women to look like a 'finished' product of the Lord? I saw a T-shirt once, and it was covered with patches of red, purple, black, etc. and it said "I just ran into Tammy Faye". Can you imagine kissing a mess like that? ?? Maybe that's why her husband cheated on her...
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Post by snow on Aug 17, 2014 21:16:15 GMT -5
How many people, ex or current (or neither, like me) prefer the natural look on women? Reason I'm asking this here is the other day I was talking with some pals of mine and they were saying how much they preferred their women to not look fake/phony with tons of make-up caked on and dry, brittle hair that has been bleached too much, etc. I guess everyone has different things they do and do not like. Some folks like the 'dolltly' look; others find it is a turn-off. My ex wife used to wear make-up, but remember telling her more than once that she didn't need it and looked better without. Was I out of line to say things like that? Is that one reason she became my ex-she didn't feel I should have a say in the matter and was butting in where I shouldn't. My sister-in-law is an ex-Mormon and she was telling me how when she was a Mormon she felt 'pressured' to look 'made up' and the Mormons referred to this particular 'look' as being "FINISHED". She said they would even have classes for the young ladies to teach them how to get that 'finished' look. How to put make up on and style their hair etc. When she left the Mormon church she said she was relieved of that pressure and could then feel free to have a more natural look, which she personally has always preferred. She is blessed with beautiful skin that has aged well, I must say. I can see where this might apply to the truth. Is there a certain "look" that is sought after and taught to the women to look like a 'finished' product of the Lord? I saw a T-shirt once, and it was covered with patches of red, purple, black, etc. and it said "I just ran into Tammy Faye". Can you imagine kissing a mess like that? ?? LOL Thanks for the laugh Bob!!
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Post by bitterbetty on Aug 17, 2014 21:18:30 GMT -5
Overall, I see nothing wrong with make-up, unless a person becomes obsessed about it and develops a type of fixation over it. Some women do and they can't go anywhere without their make-up. They do not step foot outside their house unless they are made up just so. That would seem rather restricting, if you ask me. I knew a guy once who complained about his ex wife some and one of the main things he complained about was that he felt she cared more about putting make up on than anything else. He grew very weary with that and his second was much more the natural type.
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Post by déjà vu on Aug 17, 2014 21:29:50 GMT -5
How many people, ex or current (or neither, like me) prefer the natural look on women? Reason I'm asking this here is the other day I was talking with some pals of mine and they were saying how much they preferred their women to not look fake/phony with tons of make-up caked on and dry, brittle hair that has been bleached too much, etc. I guess everyone has different things they do and do not like. Some folks like the 'dolltly' look; others find it is a turn-off. My ex wife used to wear make-up, but remember telling her more than once that she didn't need it and looked better without. Was I out of line to say things like that? Is that one reason she became my ex-she didn't feel I should have a say in the matter and was butting in where I shouldn't. My sister-in-law is an ex-Mormon and she was telling me how when she was a Mormon she felt 'pressured' to look 'made up' and the Mormons referred to this particular 'look' as being "FINISHED". She said they would even have classes for the young ladies to teach them how to get that 'finished' look. How to put make up on and style their hair etc. When she left the Mormon church she said she was relieved of that pressure and could then feel free to have a more natural look, which she personally has always preferred. She is blessed with beautiful skin that has aged well, I must say. I can see where this might apply to the truth. Is there a certain "look" that is sought after and taught to the women to look like a 'finished' product of the Lord? I saw a T-shirt once, and it was covered with patches of red, purple, black, etc. and it said "I just ran into Tammy Faye". Can you imagine kissing a mess like that? ?? Attachments:
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Post by lauri on Aug 18, 2014 11:48:37 GMT -5
I saw a documentary of TF a while ago (The Eyes of Tammy Faye) and I really sort of liked her, to my surprise... She seemed very warm and caring of others. It's easy to see someone as a "cartoon like" person but chances are your only seeing the surface.
I might add, I was picked on as a young girl, for the way I looked. Always wearing dresses, hair pulled back etc. It hurt at the time. Why do we think its acceptable to be so critical?
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Post by blacksheep on Aug 18, 2014 13:32:52 GMT -5
The "Natural Look" can go beyond the facial make-up issue.....natural can include an unshaven body ie. legs and armpits. How natural do you want to get? (Yes, I recall seeing some hairy legs in meetings, but not many. )
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 18, 2014 15:36:23 GMT -5
And guess what? Here we are again.
Talking, talking about how women look!
Not about personal characteristics, integrity, contributions to society, intellectual abilities, - no, just how she looks!
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Post by blacksheep on Aug 18, 2014 18:21:21 GMT -5
And guess what? Here we are again.
Talking, talking about how women look!
Not about personal characteristics, integrity, contributions to society, intellectual abilities, - no, just how she looks!
OK! OK! In all fairness.........a man's Natural Look is to be bearded, not clean shaven regardless of his integrity, contributions to society, intellectual abilities, or lack thereof.
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Post by rational on Aug 18, 2014 18:46:30 GMT -5
The "Natural Look" can go beyond the facial make-up issue.....natural can include an unshaven body ie. legs and armpits. How natural do you want to get? (Yes, I recall seeing some hairy legs in meetings, but not many. ::) ) It might depend whether you are attracted to adult females or a prepubescent females.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 18, 2014 18:48:48 GMT -5
And guess what? Here we are again.
Talking, talking about how women look!
Not about personal characteristics, integrity, contributions to society, intellectual abilities, - no, just how she looks!
OK! OK! In all fairness.........a man's Natural Look is to be bearded, not clean shaven regardless of his integrity, contributions to society, intellectual abilities, or lack thereof. Did I say anything about MEN?
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 18, 2014 18:50:22 GMT -5
The "Natural Look" can go beyond the facial make-up issue.....natural can include an unshaven body ie. legs and armpits. How natural do you want to get? (Yes, I recall seeing some hairy legs in meetings, but not many. ) It might depend whether you are attracted to adult females or a prepubescent females. Right!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 18, 2014 20:55:51 GMT -5
I posted this before " some say that it is a sin to put on make up but I say for some women it is a sin not to put some on" by Dr. J. Vernon McGee An elderly worker said one time that he wished some of the ladies in the fellowship would actually do a bit more care about their looks...as to the hair, not all women look good with it pulled straight back into a pony tail or bun...and as to the face...some women are cursed with bad skin and thus they should be wearing some type of treatment makeup that helps keep other things from becoming a problem like bacteria.....also as we age some have discolorations due to bad organ functions and we need an evener of color on our skin plus it can be a medicated makeup to help take care of those issues that come from chronic illnesses...etc I don't think it is necessary to be painted up like a streetwalker from Japan......as to whether to let the grey show in one's hair might depend on whether that grey is continuing or has stopped and only is at the temples like many men get as well....then I'm not against coloring that tiny dab of grey to match the rest of your hair....OR if you're mostly grey and there's a dingy look to it and then one can use the bluing shampoos and that helps whiten one's hair. BTW, I'm not sure that eye makeup is really a smart thing to do. I know before I got my IOL's I was afraid to use such and esp. since I've gotten my IOL's I'm doubly careful with demanding NO eye makeup and in fact do not allow the small amount of skin makeup to get close to my eyes...nor do I wear anything on my lashes or shadows due to the potential for sweating and it running into my eyes....I have to fight to keep from getting my eyes from getting infected...so NO eyemakeup!
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Post by rational on Aug 18, 2014 22:12:35 GMT -5
I don't think it is necessary to be painted up like a streetwalker from Japan...... Are Japanese streetwalkers known for their makeup? As far as the danger of infection from makeup - unless the unused makeup has been contaminated where does the infection come from?
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 18, 2014 23:15:45 GMT -5
I posted this before " some say that it is a sin to put on make up but I say for some women it is a sin not to put some on" by Dr. J. Vernon McGee An elderly worker said one time that he wished some of the ladies in the fellowship would actually do a bit more care about their looks...as to the hair, not all women look good with it pulled straight back into a pony tail or bun...and as to the face...some women are cursed with bad skin and thus they should be wearing some type of treatment makeup that helps keep other things from becoming a problem like bacteria.....also as we age some have discolorations due to bad organ functions and we need an evener of color on our skin plus it can be a medicated makeup to help take care of those issues that come from chronic illnesses...etc I don't think it is necessary to be painted up like a streetwalker from Japan......as to whether to let the grey show in one's hair might depend on whether that grey is continuing or has stopped and only is at the temples like many men get as well.... then I'm not against coloring that tiny dab of grey to match the rest of your hair....OR if you're mostly grey and there's a dingy look to it and then one can use the bluing shampoos and that helps whiten one's hair.
BTW, I'm not sure that eye makeup is really a smart thing to do. I know before I got my IOL's I was afraid to use such and esp. since I've gotten my IOL's I'm doubly careful with demanding NO eye makeup and in fact do not allow the small amount of skin makeup to get close to my eyes...nor do I wear anything on my lashes or shadows due to the potential for sweating and it running into my eyes....I have to fight to keep from getting my eyes from getting infected...so NO eyemakeup! Well, bully for that elderly worker! I wonder if he was concerned about some of the men doing a bit about their looks? What about men who have have discolorations due to bad organ functions or age?
How many of you know all this concentration on women's looks, - hair, makeup and how women's bodies should look has had a devastating effort of our young women?
Some of them starve themselves for that perfect body shape. Ever hear of anorexia nervosa? Somes' confidence in themselves as worthwhile human beings rests on just how perfect their looks are. Some of them fall into the pit of lining the pockets makeup companies by buying all that junk to put on their faces. Some of them spend more time making up their faces than they do on studying math & science.
I say some of them, not all.
I was struck by something when my daughter registered at the University of Chicago. It was so noticeble that those young women had more to do than make up their faces. So much so, that one young woman really looked out of place with all her make up.
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Post by rational on Aug 19, 2014 0:09:18 GMT -5
I was struck by something when my daughter registered at the University of Chicago. It was so noticeble that those young women had more to do than make up their faces. So much so, that one young woman really looked out of place with all her make up. Never noticed anything like this at UChicago. Wonder if things have changed.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 19, 2014 1:51:27 GMT -5
The "Natural Look" can go beyond the facial make-up issue.....natural can include an unshaven body ie. legs and armpits. How natural do you want to get? (Yes, I recall seeing some hairy legs in meetings, but not many. ) Yes -- shave your legs but don't you dare touch the hair on your head.
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Post by blacksheep on Aug 19, 2014 6:29:03 GMT -5
OK! OK! In all fairness.........a man's Natural Look is to be bearded, not clean shaven regardless of his integrity, contributions to society, intellectual abilities, or lack thereof. Did I say anything about MEN?
No,you didn't, but I did. Mine was a feeble attempt at fairness, so the conversation wouldn't be just about women's appearance. (In my time associating with the 2x2s, most of the men sported the unNatural Look of a shaved face.)
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