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Post by bubbles on Aug 26, 2014 8:11:11 GMT -5
Why did I have dejavue when I saw that name Cmdr Val Thor Lol someone having a laugh Someone mentioned that NathanB might be having a go at us by posting as Cmdr Val Thor. I have a feeling NathanB is having a go at everyone when posting some of the cut/paste things he does. No one could actually believe such things to be true in the face of the what has been discovered about the earth and planets. I wonder if the reality police ever arrest people for breaking the laws of physics? Havent been reading nathans posts. Too much wording. Nope I dont think Val Thor is nathan. Just my gut.
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Post by rational on Aug 26, 2014 8:28:03 GMT -5
Havent been reading nathans posts. Too much wording. Nope I dont think Val Thor is nathan. Just my gut.:) I am hoping that if I can lose enough weight that I will be able to hear my gut again. Right now it is really muffled and always sounds like "plseahe get meff soferme phood" or something like that.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 26, 2014 10:39:52 GMT -5
Seems the thread's main message has been lost in the continued discussion of "another point of view", etc that was not really asked for, nor really required IF one just read the initial thread's post as below!
"Say sirs! We're missing you so very much and we're hoping you are well these days. And please know that we on TMB would like to see you come back!"
IF any of you want them to come back ONLY to say they're sorry, etc please don't put any more of that on this thread....I've asked this once before. You have ruined any chances of this thread being something that might make the 2 gentlemen to consider returning.....for they know that you are just sitting there waiting to hurl all kinds of info at them at how wrong they were against you etc. This "rancor" has taken over several threads that have nothing to do with that issue.....so please stop it on this thread! That's the third time I've asked it.
And Rational, I am NOT of the opinion that this thread was a place for any of you to come back and put a diatrible of negative facts or thoughts.....this thread was NOT introductory of such things....It was a simple thought to the gentlemen of how much some of us on TMB have missed them! You have made it seem like since you all are so right in whatever the issue was that you're on the uprise to overtake TMB and if anybody disagrees with you in your pursuit to have your complaints heard and discussed in many words on many different threads...that then you're going to do your best to see more people leave TMB! Perhaps one can see why you were asked what kind of discussions you were looking to place or have placed for discussion on TMB for now you that have been wronged are taking TMB over! And anybody that disagrees with this are welcome to take a hike as well!
I don't see any recent posts by Snow, so it looks like she has disappeared....and she is one who has added perhaps the most important gradient in these discussions....and that was "love" or the correctness of the workings of "love"...a kind hearted person, Snow is! And again SNOW we miss you, please come back! You were not guilty of anything against anyone. PLEASE? Come BAck?
All the above IMO!
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Post by rational on Aug 26, 2014 12:36:49 GMT -5
Seems the thread's main message has been lost in the continued discussion of "another point of view", etc that was not really asked for, nor really required IF one just read the initial thread's post as below! "Say sirs! We're missing you so very much and we're hoping you are well these days. And please know that we on TMB would like to see you come back!" You posted on a public forum and used the pronoun 'we' without specifying to whom it referred. Since you appeared to be speaking for everyone it only seemed fair for anyone to voice their opinion. This is not a position I have taken (or anyone else that I can remember) so once again I am unsude to whom this is addressed.Yes, but this is a public discussion board and since you referred to all of the posters it doesn't make sense that your opinion should be the only one presented.They are both very bright people and I doubt they will be unable to understand what is being presented.What is the rancor of which you speak?And yet you continue to post your opinions on this thread. Had I posted any negative facts or thoughts I would probably agree with you. But facts are just facts, neither positive or negative, and the thoughts are an expression of what happened. Or are you just trying to censor what is posted?And if they read the opening post they will indeed get that message.Right or wrong I have offered on several occasions to have those involved verify what they have posted and explain how I was wrong. So far there has been no response. I asked fixit for a solution when asked. No response. What would you suggest?It's a discussion board. Do you want to be the filter who decides what can and cannot be discussed? Should an incorrect post never be corrected because of the fear the poster will not be able to say they were wrong and leave the message board?I responded and explained exactly what kinds of discussions I would like - any kind!No, the person who asked the question would not respond what they were asked the same question. No one, well, no one but you, is suggesting anyone take a hike if they disagree. I welcome different points of view. I especially like them when they can be verified. It would be sad if she did.
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Post by faune on Aug 26, 2014 13:52:31 GMT -5
I can't think of anything to say that won't result in an argument. Of course, God Forbid! -You wouldn't want to say something that would result in an argument, would you? Of course that didn't stop you from making argument provoking statements like this, does it? "Jesse, it seems that you and Rational and DMG will be able to enjoy good fellowship on TMB now that all the others have gone.
DMG ~ Fixit's remarks above sounded to me more like a probably outcome of having your contenders leave the Board? It's true, you know, that when the people who "rock your boat" leave this forum, you have less to contend with of views different from your own? However, then you are left with only those who share your own personal views, which isn't much fun either, because it takes the challenge out of debating topics without the other side participating. JMT
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 26, 2014 15:32:22 GMT -5
Of course, God Forbid! -You wouldn't want to say something that would result in an argument, would you? Of course that didn't stop you from making argument provoking statements like this, does it? "Jesse, it seems that you and Rational and DMG will be able to enjoy good fellowship on TMB now that all the others have gone.
DMG ~ Fixit's remarks above sounded to me more like a probably outcome of having your contenders leave the Board? It's true, you know, that when the people who "rock your boat" leave this forum, you have less to contend with of views different from your own? However, then you are left with only those who share your own personal views, which isn't much fun either, because it takes the challenge out of debating topics without the other side participating. JMT Faune, do you honestly believe that by that statement fixit actually meant it was a "probable outcome of having your contenders leave the Board?"
Why would I even want to post here if we couldn't have an honest debate about issues & instead everyone just agreed with what everyone else said?
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Post by fixit on Aug 26, 2014 23:00:53 GMT -5
Seems the thread's main message has been lost in the continued discussion of "another point of view", etc that was not really asked for, nor really required IF one just read the initial thread's post as below! "Say sirs! We're missing you so very much and we're hoping you are well these days. And please know that we on TMB would like to see you come back!" IF any of you want them to come back ONLY to say they're sorry, etc please don't put any more of that on this thread....I've asked this once before. You have ruined any chances of this thread being something that might make the 2 gentlemen to consider returning.....for they know that you are just sitting there waiting to hurl all kinds of info at them at how wrong they were against you etc. This "rancor" has taken over several threads that have nothing to do with that issue.....so please stop it on this thread! That's the third time I've asked it. And Rational, I am NOT of the opinion that this thread was a place for any of you to come back and put a diatrible of negative facts or thoughts.....this thread was NOT introductory of such things....It was a simple thought to the gentlemen of how much some of us on TMB have missed them! You have made it seem like since you all are so right in whatever the issue was that you're on the uprise to overtake TMB and if anybody disagrees with you in your pursuit to have your complaints heard and discussed in many words on many different threads...that then you're going to do your best to see more people leave TMB! Perhaps one can see why you were asked what kind of discussions you were looking to place or have placed for discussion on TMB for now you that have been wronged are taking TMB over! And anybody that disagrees with this are welcome to take a hike as well! I don't see any recent posts by Snow, so it looks like she has disappeared....and she is one who has added perhaps the most important gradient in these discussions....and that was "love" or the correctness of the workings of "love"...a kind hearted person, Snow is! And again SNOW we miss you, please come back! You were not guilty of anything against anyone. PLEASE? Come BAck? All the above IMO! Gosh, a TMB takeover by Rat and others - if that occurs TMB will be a lonely place in a year or so... It won't take a year or so. We might be seeing TMB in its death throes now, following its predecessor PMB towards extinction.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 26, 2014 23:14:49 GMT -5
Gosh, a TMB takeover by Rat and others - if that occurs TMB will be a lonely place in a year or so... It won't take a year or so. We might be seeing TMB in its death throes now, following its predecessor PMB towards extinction. Fixit, why do I keep thinking that is what you want to see happen?
I'm also thinking perhaps CD is accomplishing what he loves to do, manipulate people!
Maybe he has the attention that he craves? People begging him to come back.
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Post by faune on Aug 26, 2014 23:15:04 GMT -5
STR ~ I believe this was the last time Snow posted on Page 1 and she hasn't been back since then?
It was her response to this remark by Cherie on Page 1.
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Post by rational on Aug 27, 2014 0:15:54 GMT -5
Gosh, a TMB takeover by Rat and others - if that occurs TMB will be a lonely place in a year or so... :) I will need some information as to how this takeover will work if this is to be accomplished in a year.
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Post by rational on Aug 27, 2014 0:19:58 GMT -5
It won't take a year or so. We might be seeing TMB in its death throes now, following its predecessor PMB towards extinction. If this is the case not only will I need information I will need help! fixit - did I miss your response as to what topics you thought were worth while for TMB?
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Post by fixit on Aug 27, 2014 0:45:39 GMT -5
fixit - did I miss your response as to what topics you thought were worth while for TMB? Discuss workers, friends, home meetings, conventions, professing life, and the culture and history of the friends and workers church.
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Post by fred on Aug 27, 2014 1:03:47 GMT -5
fixit - did I miss your response as to what topics you thought were worth while for TMB? Discuss workers, friends, home meetings, conventions, professing life, and the culture and history of the friends and workers church. Well there you go, and here was I thinking that this was the purpose for this board.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 27, 2014 1:25:53 GMT -5
fixit - did I miss your response as to what topics you thought were worth while for TMB? Discuss workers, friends, home meetings, conventions, professing life, and the culture and history of the friends and workers church. Well gee, -since most of us here are now or were at one time, a member of "friends and workers!" I thought that was what we had been discussing!
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Post by rational on Aug 27, 2014 1:37:46 GMT -5
fixit - did I miss your response as to what topics you thought were worth while for TMB? Discuss workers, friends, home meetings, conventions, professing life, and the culture and history of the friends and workers church. Thanks for the response. A quick look shows: - Money Matters - An Open Challenge to All Overseers/Workers
- worker gospel meeting in the news!
- atheists beware!
- God the Father , God the Son , God the Holy Spirit;
- the end from the beginning?
- Clearday and Edgar Massey
- secret sect incident
- How Core Beliefs Shape Your Life Experience
- seeking worker contact info near Chattanooga, TN
All active and many with new posts. Are these the topics you approve of? Is there a specific topic(s) you do not approve of? The discussion with Clearday just before he exited was regarding sexual child abuse and some new information that had been released by researchers. It also involved potentially new ways to develop treatment plans for victims. Do you feel that was not an appropriate topic since it was focused on all forms of child sexual abuse and not just sexual abuse within the F&W denomination?
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Post by Scott Ross on Aug 27, 2014 1:49:57 GMT -5
Discuss workers, friends, home meetings, conventions, professing life, and the culture and history of the friends and workers church. Thanks for the response. A quick look shows: - Money Matters - An Open Challenge to All Overseers/Workers
- worker gospel meeting in the news!
- atheists beware!
- God the Father , God the Son , God the Holy Spirit;
- the end from the beginning?
- Clearday and Edgar Massey
- secret sect incident
- How Core Beliefs Shape Your Life Experience
- seeking worker contact info near Chattanooga, TN
All active and many with new posts. Are these the topics you approve of? Is there a specific topic(s) you do not approve of? The discussion with Clearday just before he exited was regarding sexual child abuse and some new information that had been released by researchers. It also involved potentially new ways to develop treatment plans for victims. Do you feel that was not an appropriate topic since it was focused on all forms of child sexual abuse and not just sexual abuse within the F&W denomination? The discussion with Clearday just before he exited was regarding sexual child abuse and some new information that had been released by researchers. It also involved potentially new ways to develop treatment plans for victims. Do you feel that was not an appropriate topic since it was focused on all forms of child sexual abuse and not just sexual abuse within the F&W denomination?
From what I remember, most of the thread was about who was right and who was wrong and who had the most toys in the sandbox.......
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Post by bubbles on Aug 27, 2014 1:51:12 GMT -5
Havent been reading nathans posts. Too much wording. Nope I dont think Val Thor is nathan. Just my gut. I am hoping that if I can lose enough weight that I will be able to hear my gut again. Right now it is really muffled and always sounds like "plseahe get meff soferme phood" or something like that. Ahh I have the answer for you Turbolax
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Post by rational on Aug 27, 2014 2:05:24 GMT -5
From what I remember, most of the thread was about who was right and who was wrong and who had the most toys in the sandbox....... That shows what old age does to a person's memory! Was it really about right or wrong or about the veracity of the claims made?
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Post by rational on Aug 27, 2014 2:09:40 GMT -5
I am hoping that if I can lose enough weight that I will be able to hear my gut again. Right now it is really muffled and always sounds like "plseahe get meff soferme phood" or something like that. Ahh I have the answer for you Turbolax :) I see! And then I could hear.
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Post by Scott Ross on Aug 27, 2014 2:17:51 GMT -5
From what I remember, most of the thread was about who was right and who was wrong and who had the most toys in the sandbox....... That shows what old age does to a person's memory! Was it really about right or wrong or about the veracity of the claims made? I got really bored of the conversation, as the same thing got repeated over and over and over and over and over....... I was not the only reader that thought they could figure out what was being said the first 150 times. I have had people misrepresent my position here on the board. I thought that by stating my position, perhaps expounding on my position, and then just ignoring the individual who was misrepresenting me was enough. Most people can read and comprehend, so I don't think arguing and demanding an apology or restating a position over and over and over and over and over is all that necessary. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by rational on Aug 27, 2014 2:24:32 GMT -5
I got really bored of the conversation, as the same thing got repeated over and over and over and over and over....... I was not the only reader that thought they could figure out what was being said the first 150 times. I have had people misrepresent my position here on the board. I thought that by stating my position, perhaps expounding on my position, and then just ignoring the individual who was misrepresenting me was enough. Most people can read and comprehend, so I don't think arguing and demanding an apology or restating a position over and over and over and over and over is all that necessary. Just my opinion of course. I completely understand what you are saying. Had it been the first time it happened and if the topic was something less trivial than sexual child abuse I would have been inclined to let the incorrect posts remain without asking for verification of what had been posted or attempting to continually set the record straight over and over. But then, we are likely to get our hands slapped for even discussing this in this thread!
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Post by Scott Ross on Aug 27, 2014 2:36:08 GMT -5
Gosh, a TMB takeover by Rat and others - if that occurs TMB will be a lonely place in a year or so... I will need some information as to how this takeover will work if this is to be accomplished in a year. One indication as to how a takeover occurs is by looking at people who try to dominate discussions. They challenge the beliefs of others, and in general try to take over most discussion topics, often by hijacking the thread to conform to what they want to discuss, and not what others want to discuss. An indication of this can be made by looking at a persons registration date on the TMB, and then looking at the number of posts that they have. This gives a general idea of a persons involvement on the various topics. A further look at a members 'recent posts' ( just click on their profile) will give a better understanding as to whether a person has a specific agenda, or whether they simply wish to pound on their own drum or whether they like to listen to others pound on their drum. Not that it may show much, but between you and I, I registered on the board a few months prior to you registering your user name, and yet you have well over twice as many posts here then I do. With the exception of fairly recently when I started getting tired of having all the threads turn into a discussion of whether God existed, I have been a pretty active member here. Likewise, there are other posters here with a pretty high number of posts compared to other members, and what appears to be an agenda for hijacking threads. It gets a bit tedious to me at least, to read post after post after post after post of someone tooting their horn and pounding their drum and basically demanding attention. Just my opinion of course, so you are welcome to dissect my post line by line and word by word......
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Post by rational on Aug 27, 2014 2:40:10 GMT -5
Just my opinion of course, so you are welcome to dissect my post line by line and word by word...... (:)) Oh, I don't have to. I would venture to say that in most cases it is a theist that brings up the challenge of whether god exists or not and an atheist that responds.
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Post by matisse on Aug 27, 2014 2:58:57 GMT -5
Clearday had amassed over 18,000 posts, just behind rational.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 27, 2014 5:38:42 GMT -5
Ahh I have the answer for you Turbolax I see! And then I could hear. Haha...CLEARLY
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 27, 2014 10:10:00 GMT -5
STR ~ I believe this was the last time Snow posted on Page 1 and she hasn't been back since then?
It was her response to this remark by Cherie on Page 1.
I strongly doubt that Snow was within that group that happenstance of causing a quick exit by 2 of the best posters......I think I remember CD and Snow having some good conversations about some things back and forth with no negativity shown by either one. When a person's desire to attend such things as TMB wanes, it doesn't take an avalanche of things to finish extinguishing the last bits of live coals of desire to post on TMB or other such forums. It's kind of like a school, eh? When one has gone over the content enough to have it settled in one's mind, then when something harshly negative pops up against them, then who can blame them when they completely exit......?
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Post by faune on Aug 27, 2014 10:40:12 GMT -5
STR ~ I believe this was the last time Snow posted on Page 1 and she hasn't been back since then?
It was her response to this remark by Cherie on Page 1.
I strongly doubt that Snow was within that group that happenstance of causing a quick exit by 2 of the best posters......I think I remember CD and Snow having some good conversations about some things back and forth with no negativity shown by either one. When a person's desire to attend such things as TMB wanes, it doesn't take an avalanche of things to finish extinguishing the last bits of live coals of desire to post on TMB or other such forums. It's kind of like a school, eh? When one has gone over the content enough to have it settled in ones mind, then when something harshly negative pops up against them, then who can blame them when they completely exit......? STR ~ I also strongly doubt Snow was a contributor in any way to strife on this Board, because she's more of a peacemaker and mediator when things start to go amiss. I guess you might call her the referee in some instances, too? However, she's a kind and gentle spirit and very graceful in her demeanor. She has also contributed a lot to good discussions on this Board along with CD and Edgar and some others in the past who don't post here anymore, especially within the last 6 months. Their knowledge and keen insights are a couple of things that I definitely miss these days and would hope things would turn around on TMB from lessons learned and some good people would return again?
I didn't appreciate Cherie's remark on Page 1, insinuating that the same people who were posting to this thread to encourage CD, Edgar, and others to return were the antagonists ~ with two exceptions. I believe Snow took that to heart personally by her statement immediately afterward and she hasn't posted since then, which is pretty sad. People really need to be more considerate of others on these pro-boards and sensitive to their feelings, IMHO. Saying harsh things to make a point is not showing good communication skills! People can express their disapproval without being snarky, IMHO.
Recently I resurrected an old thread I originated about two years ago about how conversations can precipitate into fights without notice. It's rather humorous in content, but it does make a valid point. Also, I resurrected a sister thread that goes along with this one on ad hominem (against the person) arguments and how to avoid them. If TMB is destined to survive and thrive, I believe everyone will need to make the effort to be more graceful and considerate of others who may not share their same opinions? JMT
professing.proboards.com/thread/20081/discussion-disagreement-argument-fight
professing.proboards.com/thread/20045/ad-hominem
Cherie's remark from Page 1...
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Post by faune on Aug 27, 2014 11:37:45 GMT -5
DMG ~ Fixit's remarks above sounded to me more like a probably outcome of having your contenders leave the Board? It's true, you know, that when the people who "rock your boat" leave this forum, you have less to contend with of views different from your own? However, then you are left with only those who share your own personal views, which isn't much fun either, because it takes the challenge out of debating topics without the other side participating. JMT Faune, do you honestly believe that by that statement fixit actually meant it was a "probable outcome of having your contenders leave the Board?"
Why would I even want to post here if we couldn't have an honest debate about issues & instead everyone just agreed with what everyone else said?
DMG ~ I honestly believe Fixit would like to see a little more common courtesy shown to Christian believers on this Board by his earlier comments? Afterall, we all have a right to our opinions, right or wrong, and showing more tolerance to those who don't share our perspective would probably be a step in the right direction?
I personally feel it is hard to have an honest debate about anything on pro-boards without showing a little sensitivity to the rules of engagement. When people are afraid to post because of feeling intimidated by someone who might disapprove, it's time to re-think communication skills and to make some meaningful changes, IMHO.
Also, I'm sure you would grow bore over time with just sharing with people of your own religious persuasion and no input from the Christian perspective? Christians and atheists alike have more than common than meets the eye and it's finding this "common ground" that makes for a lively and beneficial discourse on TMB. When we look for the good in others instead of focusing on their differences, I believe one can gain a whole new perspective and even enjoy one another's company, too.
For instance, I find the humor and music threads a nice diversion from the Board in which we can come together and share some good laughs and our taste in music. Even if we may not see eye to eye on a number of issues, you would be surprised how many share the same likes as you in this area. I find these threads a real uplift to my spirits and normally check them out when I first come on line for some positive input into my day.
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