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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 16, 2014 15:49:05 GMT -5
Say sirs! We're missing you so very much and we're hoping you are well these days. And please know that we on TMB would like to see you come back!
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Post by placid-void on Aug 17, 2014 7:18:50 GMT -5
Say sirs! We're missing you so very much and we're hoping you are well these days. And please know that we on TMB would like to see you come back! Joining sharingtheriches, "I whisper in the sounds of silence Take my arms that I might reach you Silence like a cancer grows I’ve come to talk with you again."
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 17, 2014 13:39:48 GMT -5
Still wishing the two gentlemen would return. I know sometimes things get out of hand and I'm sorry if and when I'm ever a part to that! But PLEASE Clearday and Edgar, we miss your intelligent posts even when we might not agree.....but then that is a way to learn all the sides of anything when people do not agree, eh? Come back, Please!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 20:58:23 GMT -5
Ditto what they said, Edgar, and Clearday, however I understand why you may not wish to post anymore here, feel like that sometimes, myself.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 19, 2014 14:12:35 GMT -5
Edgar AND Clearday! We lost Stanne some time ago and now you two....it's getting kind of imbalanced around here! I'm ready to holler "HELP"!
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 19, 2014 15:04:40 GMT -5
Edgar AND Clearday! We lost Stanne some time ago and now you two....it's getting kind of imbalanced around here! I'm ready to holler "HELP"! St Anne? When?
She just posted not long ago and seems to still be on members list.
I miss Edgar.
And as I've said before, CD had some good posts at times. That wasn't the problem.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 19, 2014 17:43:06 GMT -5
Thanks, Snow and DMG! Yes I knew Stanne was taking a break but it seemed a longer break then usual for her....I'll try not to despair...but I've been about to forget it all myself! We get into some very educational asa well as interesting threads/posts.....and I love hearing from all around the world....that reminds me, where's Ram?
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Post by faune on Aug 19, 2014 18:44:17 GMT -5
Thanks, Snow and DMG! Yes I knew Stanne was taking a break but it seemed a longer break then usual for her....I'll try not to despair...but I've been about to forget it all myself! We get into some very educational asa well as interesting threads/posts.....and I love hearing from all around the world....that reminds me, where's Ram? I don't know, been asking that myself. He hasn't been on for a long time. Nathan seems to think he's Valiant Thor but I don't think so. Snow ~ I entertained that same idea as Nathan about Ram. I wondered if he was in our midst posing as Valiant Thor who visited the Board not long ago? I also miss Quizzer posting on TMB ~ you do remember that cool gal, don't you? I sure hope they are just taking a much needed sabbatical and have not left us for good?
By the way, today is Edgar Massey's birthday ~ August 19th on Facebook. I just noticed that at the bottom of the home page we have a new member named edgar with 0 posts whose birthday is today, too. However, he registered on October 1, 2006. Apparently, our new member is just a reader on TMB?
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Aug 19, 2014 19:11:44 GMT -5
Thanks, Snow and DMG! Yes I knew Stanne was taking a break but it seemed a longer break then usual for her....I'll try not to despair...but I've been about to forget it all myself! We get into some very educational asa well as interesting threads/posts.....and I love hearing from all around the world....that reminds me, where's Ram? I don't know, been asking that myself. He hasn't been on for a long time. Nathan seems to think he's Valiant Thor but I don't think so. NathanB is very confused and has been misguided by reading some of the people who have no regard for the true story but only want to publish whatever they feel will fill their pockets. Why would this Ram want to be me? I don't want to be Ram. Soon I hope the truth will be shown to Nathan and he will be back on track. Commander Valiant Thor
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Post by déjà vu on Aug 19, 2014 20:27:53 GMT -5
Edgar AND Clearday! We lost Stanne some time ago and now you two....it's getting kind of imbalanced around here! I'm ready to holler "HELP"! could the reason be the Secularisation of the TMB ??
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 19, 2014 22:08:23 GMT -5
could the reason be the Secularisation of the TMB ?? I doubt it, we live in a secular world and we haven't 'deregistered' from it yet have we? Yes, thank the Secular Force that be that we do live in at least a part of the secular world & not the religious part of the world!
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Post by fixit on Aug 19, 2014 22:21:07 GMT -5
Edgar AND Clearday! We lost Stanne some time ago and now you two....it's getting kind of imbalanced around here! I'm ready to holler "HELP"! could the reason be the Secularisation of the TMB ?? Folks who want to discuss 2x2 church issues don't always want to debate the existence of God.
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Post by matisse on Aug 19, 2014 23:30:33 GMT -5
could the reason be the Secularisation of the TMB ?? Folks who want to discuss 2x2 church issues don't always want to debate the existence of God. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. -Carl Sagan If people would learn how to express their beliefs as beliefs and not declare them as facts, I believe the number of challenges and ensuing debates would dwindle.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 20, 2014 9:42:02 GMT -5
NathanB is very confused and has been misguided by reading some of the people who have no regard for the true story but only want to publish whatever they feel will fill their pockets. Why would this Ram want to be me? I don't want to be Ram. Soon I hope the truth will be shown to Nathan and he will be back on track. Commander Valiant Thor hmmm That requires more then a hmmm! The style of such a reply does make one remininsce of Ram, eh?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 20, 2014 9:45:26 GMT -5
could the reason be the Secularisation of the TMB ?? Folks who want to discuss 2x2 church issues don't always want to debate the existence of God. And THAT is what worries many of us! Where does God come in within the 2x2 church issues? Just like LS told BM that BM didn't understand that the priorities of the 2x2s were: The 2x2 itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home. NOT one word about Jesus, God, Holy Spirit at all! Doesn't that make anyone wonder here that the issues within the 2x2s are there because of the "priorities"?
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 20, 2014 10:33:59 GMT -5
RAM is OK - We emailed back and forth quite a bit last week. He sent me some photos of Scotland. He is very busy and short on time. He's a writer, volunteer and has family he takes care of. We met with him for an enjoyable dinner when we visited Scotland in April.
Unless he changes his mind...CD wont be back. He wrote me...It's not going to happen. The exit may seem sudden but it had been coming for some time. Some may think it was a emotional departure or something but there is no anger or hurt involved. To summarize, my "mission" on TMB has been evaporating over the last couple of years so as a result, my tolerance for wasted time and hostile nonsense has dropped precipitously.....so that particular situation of a huge waste of time in a hostile setting was merely a catalyst. I would have stayed around without a mission for friendly banter and fewer posts but that sort of friendly environment doesn't exist, or at least not to a sufficient extent to convince me to stay or go back. I'm a big believer in freedom of expression so I think Admin should probably err in that direction and let things go wherever it's going to go.
I too find very little on TMB worth my time to read anymore, and rarely post anymore, preferring to give my time to other things I find more satisfying.
The atmosphere of TMB reminds me of the time we decided to create TLC, five years ago, back in Aug 2009. Pretty dead and monopolized by a few frequent posters.
Fixit's comment was right on target also: Folks who want to discuss 2x2 church issues don't always want to debate the existence of God. I wouldnt be surprised if he also leaves...
I notice hberry and jondough aren't posting much anymore either...
FWIW, I have been told by some of the "missing people" that the very ones inquiring about the missing TLCers edit: TMBers are the reason they are no longer coming here. TMB is not doing anything for them anymore, and they have better ways to spend their time. They move on...
Time for a reality check: "I have seen the enemy, and it is me."
PS Not talking about you STR/Sharon!
CK edited to correct TLCers to TMBers
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Post by faune on Aug 20, 2014 10:59:34 GMT -5
Cherie ~ Exactly who are you talking about here, since most of the members who posted on this particular thread sincerely miss Clearday and Edgar on this Board and would love to see them both come back because they appreciated their input on TMB? I'm one of them, by the way, and had no issues with either of these posters and they are friends of mine on Facebook. I sincerely miss their presence here along with some others who I have noticed haven't been posting much either.
One thing for sure, common courtesy towards one another and their particular religious beliefs does need to be cultivated more with less judgment to go around. Some opinions are probably better kept to oneself when they become offensive to the viewers on public pro-boards as well? JMT
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Post by fixit on Aug 20, 2014 14:36:05 GMT -5
Cherie ~ Exactly who are you talking about here, since all of the members who posted on this particular thread sincerely miss Clearday and Edgar on this Board and would love to see them both come back because they appreciated their input on TMB? I'm one of them, by the way, and had no issues with either of these posters and they are friends of mine on Facebook. I sincerely miss their presence here along with some others who I have noticed haven't been posting much either.
One thing for sure, common courtesy towards one another and their particular religious beliefs does need to be cultivated more with less judgment to go around. Some opinions are probably better kept to oneself when they become offensive to the viewers on public pro-boards as well? JMT The expression of opinions is not the problem. That's what discussion boards are about.
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Post by faune on Aug 20, 2014 16:34:52 GMT -5
Well if I'm the reason good people are leaving, I know how to fix that. Snow ~ I doubt you would even enter the picture here. I'm sure many on this Board appreciate your input along with your knowledge shared. You are one of the most compassionate and caring persons on this Board and not one that goes out of her way to make waves with others. You're more like a mediator when things get out of balance. So, please don't leave us, but stick around, because you would be greatly missed.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 20, 2014 16:49:01 GMT -5
RAM is OK - We emailed back and forth quite a bit last week. He sent me some photos of Scotland. He is very busy and short on time. He's a writer, volunteer and has family he takes care of. We met with him for an enjoyable dinner when we visited Scotland in April. Unless he changes his mind...CD wont be back. He wrote me... It's not going to happen. The exit may seem sudden but it had been coming for some time. Some may think it was a emotional departure or something but there is no anger or hurt involved. To summarize, my "mission" on TMB has been evaporating over the last couple of years so as a result, my tolerance for wasted time and hostile nonsense has dropped precipitously.....so that particular situation of a huge waste of time in a hostile setting was merely a catalyst. I would have stayed around without a mission for friendly banter and fewer posts but that sort of friendly environment doesn't exist, or at least not to a sufficient extent to convince me to stay or go back.
I'm a big believer in freedom of expression so I think Admin should probably err in that direction and let things go wherever it's going to go. I too find very little on TMB worth my time to read anymore, and rarely post anymore, preferring to give my time to other things I find more satisfying. The atmosphere of TMB reminds me of the time we decided to create TLC, five years ago, back in Aug 2009. Pretty dead and monopolized by a few frequent posters. Fixit's comment was right on target also: Folks who want to discuss 2x2 church issues don't always want to debate the existence of God. I wouldnt be surprised if he also leaves... I notice hberry and jondough aren't posting much anymore either... FWIW, I have been told by some of the "missing people" that the very ones inquiring about the missing TLCers are the reason they are no longer coming here. TMB is not doing anything for them anymore, and they have better ways to spend their time. They move on... Time for a reality check: "I have seen the enemy, and it is me." PS Not talking about you STR/Sharon! Glad that you, CD, and others have found other areas as out-lets for your interest. I personally do thank you, Cherie, for all the work in research & publishing the TRUTH about the 2x2's & feel we are indebted to you for that.
I am also glad to have the TMB where I feel free to express my own thoughts on religion.
PS: Since you say that you are "Not talking about you STR/Sharon!" I assume you are talking to & about all the rest of us who post here.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 20, 2014 16:52:50 GMT -5
Well if I'm the reason good people are leaving, I know how to fix that. Don't leave, please, Snow.
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Post by SharonArnold on Aug 20, 2014 16:53:56 GMT -5
RAM is OK - We emailed back and forth quite a bit last week. He sent me some photos of Scotland. He is very busy and short on time. He's a writer, volunteer and has family he takes care of. We met with him for an enjoyable dinner when we visited Scotland in April. Unless he changes his mind...CD wont be back. He wrote me... It's not going to happen. The exit may seem sudden but it had been coming for some time. Some may think it was a emotional departure or something but there is no anger or hurt involved. To summarize, my "mission" on TMB has been evaporating over the last couple of years so as a result, my tolerance for wasted time and hostile nonsense has dropped precipitously.....so that particular situation of a huge waste of time in a hostile setting was merely a catalyst. I would have stayed around without a mission for friendly banter and fewer posts but that sort of friendly environment doesn't exist, or at least not to a sufficient extent to convince me to stay or go back. I'm a big believer in freedom of expression so I think Admin should probably err in that direction and let things go wherever it's going to go. I too find very little on TMB worth my time to read anymore, and rarely post anymore, preferring to give my time to other things I find more satisfying. The atmosphere of TMB reminds me of the time we decided to create TLC, five years ago, back in Aug 2009. Pretty dead and monopolized by a few frequent posters. Fixit's comment was right on target also: Folks who want to discuss 2x2 church issues don't always want to debate the existence of God. I wouldnt be surprised if he also leaves... I notice hberry and jondough aren't posting much anymore either... FWIW, I have been told by some of the "missing people" that the very ones inquiring about the missing TLCers are the reason they are no longer coming here. TMB is not doing anything for them anymore, and they have better ways to spend their time. They move on... Time for a reality check: "I have seen the enemy, and it is me." Yeah. This may be a ship that has sailed. I've seen similar happenings again and again through the years with these kinds of forums. I am another person where a light has died with the departure of Clearday and Edgar from TMB. When I told Clearday that I thought this situation had the power to bring down this board, he replied "That was never my intention." Nevertheless. IMO, if you want to continuously debate the existence/non-existence of "God", go do it on a board unrelated to 2X2ism. Or if you have an overwhelming need to be right, find another forum. Or talk to yourself in an empty room. Seriously. But, perhaps the 2x2/ex-2X2 world has evolved to such a degree that a board like this is no longer necessary. If that is the case, then I am happy. Or, it's time for a re-birth in a slightly different format. Issues are different, people are different, from even 5 years ago. Time will tell. If that is what is needed, then that is what will happen. I am reminded of the Bertrand Russell quote "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." The specifics may have shifted in the intervening years, but the underlying truth has not.
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Post by fixit on Aug 20, 2014 17:08:16 GMT -5
Well if I'm the reason good people are leaving, I know how to fix that. Snow, I've appreciated your participation very much, and although I often disagree with you I've also learned from you. I don't for a moment think any good person would leave because of you.
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Post by SharonArnold on Aug 20, 2014 17:12:36 GMT -5
Well if I'm the reason good people are leaving, I know how to fix that. Snow, I've appreciated your participation very much, and although I often disagree with you I've also learned from you. I don't for a moment think any good person would leave because of you. Snow, you show an uncommon grace. Again and again. You help define for me what "true religion" is.
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Post by faune on Aug 20, 2014 17:30:42 GMT -5
An old song comes to mind as I think of a solution that would remedy this situation on TMB and it's found in the words of "Try a Little Kindness" by Glen Campbell. Even when we may not agree, we can be respectful of the different point of views of others and kind in our responses. I believe this would go a long way in making TMB inviting to all who post here or visit in the future?
Sharon shared earlier...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCBTSQZq1E
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 20, 2014 17:35:15 GMT -5
Yeah. This may be a ship that has sailed. I've seen similar happenings again and again through the years with these kinds of forums. I am another person where a light has died with the departure of Clearday and Edgar from TMB. When I told Clearday that I thought this situation had the power to bring down this board, he replied "That was never my intention." Nevertheless. IMO, if you want to continuously debate the existence/non-existence of "God", go do it on a board unrelated to 2X2ism. Or if you have an overwhelming need to be right, find another forum. Or talk to yourself in an empty room. Seriously. But, perhaps the 2x2/ex-2X2 world has evolved to such a degree that a board like this is no longer necessary. If that is the case, then I am happy. Or, it's time for a re-birth in a slightly different format. Issues are different, people are different, from even 5 years ago. Time will tell. If that is what is needed, then that is what will happen. I am reminded of the Bertrand Russell quote "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." The specifics may have shifted in the intervening years, but the underlying truth has not. Why should I have to "go do it on a board unrelated to 2X2ism, Sharon? Do you think that I am NOT an ex-2x2's?
Should I have no place here to posts my opinions, my journey away from the 2x2's & the conclusion that I came to?
And must we put up with someone twisting our comments, which CD did that apparently some of you still can't see? Were we supposed just let them stand as he had twisted them as if they were in indeed what we had said? Your comment: "if you want to continuously debate the existence/non-existence of "God", go do it on a board unrelated to 2X2ism. Or if you have an overwhelming need to be right, find another forum. Or talk to yourself in an empty room. Seriously." is a slap in the face to all of us here just trying to tell our story of our exit from the 2x2's & how we got to where we are!
PS: I suppose that you know of "Why I Am Not A Christian," lecture by Bertrand Russell
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Post by faune on Aug 20, 2014 18:06:53 GMT -5
Cherie ~ I just caught something that totally missed my attention earlier in the concluding paragraph of your response and I wonder if you would clarify it for the rest of us? Are you insinuating that people who were once on TLC and are now on TMB is the reason for people leaving TMB, or did you actually mean TMBers instead? Just curious, because that would include me here along with a few others who are not allowed on TLC due to our own POV's? Please feel free to give us an honest answer?
Cherie stated earlier...
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 20, 2014 18:13:39 GMT -5
Thanks for pointing that out. Sorry - I corrected it. I meant to write TMBers.
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