|
Post by kencoolidge on Aug 15, 2014 16:56:26 GMT -5
Does this apply today or did the signs and wonders cease with the death of the apostles. What do you think? Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
|
|
|
Post by xna on Aug 15, 2014 17:59:57 GMT -5
Does this apply today or did the signs and wonders cease with the death of the apostles. What do you think? Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: I am skeptical of any supernatural event. People like to embellish stories for their cause. The attachment seems to fit here. PS: you would think that with the millions of people carrying smart phones with cameras that we would have lots of UFO pics and miracle pics to prove these extraordinary claims, but the opposite is the case.
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Aug 15, 2014 19:55:40 GMT -5
Does this apply today or did the signs and wonders cease with the death of the apostles. What do you think? Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: Since the method by way nature operates does not stray from the way it has always operated, there actually wasn't even "signs & wonders" at the time of the apostles. So they didn't "cease" at the death of the apostles. They just had never existed to start with.
"Signs & wonders" was simply how mankind often viewed events at that time.
The idea that "wonders," (change in how events could happen in opposition to the way nature operated), were believed by most people in that day.
Fantasts, visionaries; were widespread throughout the world & certainly there were many where Jesus lived and preached.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 20:57:00 GMT -5
Does this apply today or did the signs and wonders cease with the death of the apostles. What do you think? Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: although i am not entirely a cessationist i would always apply caution when following a prophet, visionary or dreamer in this day and age...
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Aug 15, 2014 21:22:13 GMT -5
Does this apply today or did the signs and wonders cease with the death of the apostles. What do you think? Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: although i am not entirely a cessationist i would always apply caution when following a prophet, visionary or dreamer in this day and age... I would apply a lot of caution in following anyone in any day & age who claims supernatural ability to prophesize the future.
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Aug 15, 2014 21:27:27 GMT -5
Does this apply today or did the signs and wonders cease with the death of the apostles. What do you think? Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: I think it can mean just about anything one wants it to mean.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 23:24:57 GMT -5
God speaketh to those who know Him, they understand. not hard
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Aug 15, 2014 23:49:12 GMT -5
God speaketh to those who know Him, they understand. not hard Of course!
However, how comes God speaketh one thing to one person & something different to another?
Of course, everyone thinketh that he speaketh the Truth only to them!
Kinda like this :
"And this is good old Boston, The home of the bean and the cod. Where the Lowells talk only to Cabots, And the Cabots talk only to God." This verse comes to you at the courtesy of John Collins Bossidy (1860–1928) who was an American graduate of Holy Cross College.
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Aug 16, 2014 0:03:06 GMT -5
God speaketh to those who know Him, they understand. not hard I'll have to remember that line.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 1:22:23 GMT -5
God speaketh to those who know Him, they understand. not hard Of course!
However, how comes God speaketh one thing to one person & something different to another?
Of course, everyone thinketh that he speaketh the Truth only to them!
Kinda like this :
"And this is good old Boston, The home of the bean and the cod. Where the Lowells talk only to Cabots, And the Cabots talk only to God." This verse comes to you at the courtesy of John Collins Bossidy (1860–1928) who was an American graduate of Holy Cross College.
ah but He speaketh about one He can only speak truth Holy Cross College is God's ?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 1:22:57 GMT -5
God speaketh to those who know Him, they understand. not hard I'll have to remember that line. do you recon that will help?
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Aug 16, 2014 1:47:31 GMT -5
I'll have to remember that line. do you recon that will help? Yes. There are a few people to whom I would love to deliver a message of "Shut up you ignorant idiot." BTW -- do you go to meetings?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 2:18:05 GMT -5
do you recon that will help? Yes. There are a few people to whom I would love to deliver a message of "Shut up you ignorant idiot." BTW -- do you go to meetings? nice to see that you are such a charitable person
|
|
|
Post by bubbles on Aug 16, 2014 2:24:15 GMT -5
Ken You are rattling cages. Doesnt take much huh.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 6:19:47 GMT -5
Ezekiel wrote about the history of his nation ... before that history happened. He spoke of another exile ... when the Jews were already in exile. He spoke of the impending destruction of the Temple ... when it was already in ruins.
The Jews thought he was a nutter. Until it actually happened.
And he spoke of the Jews claiming Israel again ... when most educated people could see that couldn't happen. And he spoke of them all living in cities without walls ... when that would have been suicide.
Pre-20th Century academics thought Ezekiel was a nutter Until it actually happened.
So it's worthwhile reading what else Ezekiel had to say about the world after the Jews return to Zion. In a way it shows we still living in "biblical times."
|
|
|
Post by kencoolidge on Aug 16, 2014 6:58:43 GMT -5
Ken You are rattling cages. Doesnt take much huh. Bubbles I don't mean to rattle cages . However if it frees someones thought of their God in a box ,I'll gladly do it. ken
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Aug 16, 2014 14:01:13 GMT -5
Yes. There are a few people to whom I would love to deliver a message of "Shut up you ignorant idiot." BTW -- do you go to meetings? nice to see that you are such a charitable person Thank you. Do you go to meetings?
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Aug 16, 2014 14:30:49 GMT -5
Ken You are rattling cages. Doesnt take much huh. Bubbles I don't mean to rattle cages . However if it frees someones thought of their God in a box ,I'll gladly do it. ken Ah, and if I can free someone from the idea that there is "a god in the box ," I'll gladly do that!
The freedom from religion is such a great feeling, I would like to share it with everyone!
|
|
|
Post by kencoolidge on Aug 16, 2014 15:08:09 GMT -5
Bubbles I don't mean to rattle cages . However if it frees someones thought of their God in a box ,I'll gladly do it. ken Ah, and if I can free someone from the idea that there is "a god in the box ," I'll gladly do that!
The freedom from religion is such a great feeling, I would like to share it with everyone!
good for you
|
|
|
Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 16, 2014 15:34:44 GMT -5
Does this apply today or did the signs and wonders cease with the death of the apostles. What do you think? Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: although i am not entirely a cessationist i would always apply caution when following a prophet, visionary or dreamer in this day and age... It seems those writings in Acts actually had to do with the horrors that went on during those first years of the Christian churches....Jesus had warned also about such things...Jesus also warned about people saying that Jesus was over here and Jesus was over there, etc and many would claim to be Jesus Christ...but to not go here or there and not to believe every story you here....otherwords it seems the "spirit being poured out upon the believers would be what guided all of God's people whether to prophesy or whether to know where Jesus was or not. Jesus spoke about the eagles gathering with the carcase. I think that is being perhaps very discouraging to folks, but to make us think about our Lord crucified! He said UNTIL he returned that we were to remember him......Then it specifically states that when he does return that "every eye shall see him and every knee shall bow." Seems the timing of everyone doing so will be pretty much all at once, so we are not to pay heed to stories that Jesus is here or there or that someone is claiming to be Jesus, because it specifically states that "every" eye shall see him.......there will be NO fooling people. IMO As to whether bible verses still run true? I think that history tends to repeat itself...but it seems that with each telling of it in eavery repeat of it, that it comes along much faster and passes much faster so much so that it is multiplied or seems to be that increased in experiences.
|
|
|
Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 16, 2014 15:37:34 GMT -5
God speaketh to those who know Him, they understand. not hard Very likely true to some extent, however the real situation is that those who don't know Him have "chosen" to have their sight sealed and their hearing removed. It is in the "choice" of the individual as much as it is in what God does. Otherwords He is open to all those who "choose" Him! IMO
|
|
|
Post by matisse on Aug 16, 2014 15:56:04 GMT -5
God speaketh to those who know Him, they understand. not hard Very likely true to some extent, however the real situation is that those who don't know Him have "chosen" to have their sight sealed and their hearing removed. It is in the "choice" of the individual as much as it is in what God does. Otherwords He is open to all those who "choose" Him! IMO ...you believe that you know the "real situation" about people who do not believe as you do! From my POV, yours is but a well-knit and well-protected fantasy. You "choose" to have your sight sealed from seeing and hearing removed against hearing about the stitches and seams!
|
|
|
Post by bubbles on Aug 16, 2014 20:25:27 GMT -5
Bubbles I don't mean to rattle cages . However if it frees someones thought of their God in a box ,I'll gladly do it. ken Ah, and if I can free someone from the idea that there is "a god in the box ," I'll gladly do that!
The freedom from religion is such a great feeling, I would like to share it with everyone!
Freedom from religion is awesome Freedom from God? That would be questionable. Christian or not.
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Aug 16, 2014 20:31:35 GMT -5
God speaketh to those who know Him, they understand. not hard Very likely true to some extent, however the real situation is that those who don't know Him have "chosen" to have their sight sealed and their hearing removed. It is in the "choice" of the individual as much as it is in what God does. Otherwords He is open to all those who "choose" Him! IMO Interesting -- you get to seal yourself from him before you get to know him. Why do people seal themselves off from someone they don't know?
|
|
|
Post by magpie on Aug 27, 2014 21:52:59 GMT -5
Yes BOB, "Interesting" mmm. Today more and more are rejecting the questioning of their very own self. So they by opting out of a faith/belief in the power and actions of the Holy Spirit (God),this in their life and mind means they have no responsability? Of course miricles still occur,but we are inclined to say miricles,but it is actually just Gods work'.The bible also refers to witches,scorcers,mandrakes,etc...We still see and know these powers are still practiced,if for good OK,but mostly anti God.So why then isnt the alternative (Supernatural if you want to use that term)for good and for edifying,healing,encouraging,as signs for Gods purpose?
|
|