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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 26, 2014 23:36:49 GMT -5
I always wondered -- it's okay to eat animals, is it because they don't have souls?
And if they don't have souls, what happens to the souls of people who get eaten by animals?
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 26, 2014 23:55:01 GMT -5
And oh, how about plants? Do they have souls? I understand that it's been documented that trees "scream" as they are being cut down. Hmmm, as a farmer I am guilty of "killing billions of plants..... and y'all have been eating the souls of what was killed. pass the toast please. I also heartily approve of killing living mosquitoes and such, but, definiyely not humans. There is a difference. Alvin
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 27, 2014 0:31:41 GMT -5
Anything that lives has to eat something else that lives/lived. Well, most plats thrive on dirt, don't they?
Mosquitoes -- oh, I hate them. I like living where there are NONE of them.
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Post by rational on Nov 27, 2014 1:05:22 GMT -5
I am thinking that cats should be illegal. Oh, rational! I know how you feel about kitty cats! You know that you just love them but you just don't want us to think that you do! :) I believe I have stated in the past that I do love cats. Braised with a béchamel sauce so as not to hide the flavor.
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Post by rational on Nov 27, 2014 1:17:23 GMT -5
Anything that lives has to eat something else that lives/lived. Well, most plats thrive on dirt, don't they? I thought plants thrive mostly on water and carbon dioxide with a few soluble minerals for good luck!.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 27, 2014 2:03:13 GMT -5
Anything that lives has to eat something else that lives/lived. Well, most plats thrive on dirt, don't they? I thought plants thrive mostly on water and carbon dioxide with a few soluble minerals for good luck!. Yeah, that sounds more professional than my version, doesn't it.
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Post by snow on Nov 27, 2014 12:37:20 GMT -5
And oh, how about plants? Do they have souls? I understand that it's been documented that trees "scream" as they are being cut down. Hmmm, as a farmer I am guilty of "killing billions of plants..... and y'all have been eating the souls of what was killed. pass the toast please. I also heartily approve of killing living mosquitoes and such, but, definiyely not humans. There is a difference. Alvin Or, it could be something as simple as nothing has a soul?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 27, 2014 12:57:07 GMT -5
Oh, rational! I know how you feel about kitty cats! You know that you just love them but you just don't want us to think that you do! I believe I have stated in the past that I do love cats. Braised with a béchamel sauce so as not to hide the flavor. ugh
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 27, 2014 12:59:49 GMT -5
And oh, how about plants? Do they have souls? I understand that it's been documented that trees "scream" as they are being cut down. Hmmm, as a farmer I am guilty of "killing billions of plants..... and y'all have been eating the souls of what was killed. pass the toast please. I also heartily approve of killing living mosquitoes and such, but, definiyely not humans. There is a difference. Alvin Or, it could be something as simple as nothing has a soul? That sure would make it a lot less worrisome!
I'll vote for that.
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Post by blacksheep on Nov 27, 2014 13:19:51 GMT -5
For those who are expecting to be Raptured up, and are worried about their pets who might be left behind, have no worries. For a nominal prepaid fee, I will see that your unRaptured pets are cared for in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 13:31:57 GMT -5
For those who are expecting to be Raptured up, and are worried about their pets who might be left behind, have no worries. For a nominal prepaid fee, I will see that your unRaptured pets are cared for in the manner to which they have become accustomed. Blacksheep, you and I are going to have to leave that to the goats!
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Post by snow on Nov 27, 2014 13:51:13 GMT -5
For those who are expecting to be Raptured up, and are worried about their pets who might be left behind, have no worries. For a nominal prepaid fee, I will see that your unRaptured pets are cared for in the manner to which they have become accustomed. Yes, I've made that offer too. I'm sure I'll be left behind so I would love to take care of all the homeless animals. I would need more money though so I could feed and house them all with lots of wide open spaces to wander and play in. That kind of thing.
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 27, 2014 22:23:27 GMT -5
Or, it could be something as simple as nothing has a soul? That sure would make it a lot less worrisome!
I'll vote for that. What is it ,then, that differentiates humans ,from animals or plants, all living things,that makes it acceptable to us humans to kill and eat animals and plants, but not humans? ( set cannibals aside for now). Alvin
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 28, 2014 0:57:29 GMT -5
That sure would make it a lot less worrisome!
I'll vote for that. What is it ,then, that differentiates humans ,from animals or plants, all living things,that makes it acceptable to us humans to kill and eat animals and plants, but not humans? ( set cannibals aside for now). Alvin
slowtosee,
I think that you added the above underlined to my quote by accident.
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 28, 2014 1:20:16 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying. My mistake, and I make plenty.... sorry, especially posting from my phone My post starts after you stating, I vote for that. Alvin
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Post by snow on Nov 28, 2014 11:53:11 GMT -5
What is it ,then, that differentiates humans ,from animals or plants, all living things,that makes it acceptable to us humans to kill and eat animals and plants, but not humans? ( set cannibals aside for now). Alvin
Most animals don't kill their own kind. They will kill other 'kinds' though. We are an animal that have a high level of social adaptability. We learned that murder and stealing within a small group isn't a good thing for the survival of the group. However, we have no problem killing 'our kind' if they belong to another group. As far as eating humans when we kill them, some tribes have done just that. I think most of it is because we are repulsed. However if we are starving and there is a need we have definitely eaten already dead, or in some cases have actually killed and eaten. We are not above that in dire circumstances.
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 28, 2014 12:11:21 GMT -5
So it's not really the "taste " of human meat that repulses us, just the thought of it I guess, like eating bear or skunk etc. I can also understand how it would be easier to kill other humans if we view them as not having a soul, but just another animal in the food chain. I imagine a lot of the killings of the "other group" is justified by just that, they are "animals". Alvin
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Post by snow on Nov 28, 2014 13:31:08 GMT -5
So it's not really the "taste " of human meat that repulses us, just the thought of it I guess, like eating bear or skunk etc. I can also understand how it would be easier to kill other humans if we view them as not having a soul, but just another animal in the food chain. I imagine a lot of the killings of the "other group" is justified by just that, they are "animals". Alvin Pretty much. If we see them as barbaric we tend to justify killing too. However, does that make us just as barbaric in the long run. Probably.
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Post by Brick on Nov 28, 2014 14:17:08 GMT -5
I can't believe that God would be so merciless as to grant eternal life to those whose passion is hunting, but at the same time fail to provide any game for them to hunt. But then again, maybe all hunters are going to Hell.
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Post by Gene on Nov 28, 2014 16:55:44 GMT -5
Gene ~ It sounds like Rational is rubbing off on you with his lack of fondness for our kitties? But. how can you not like these furry creatures? Oh, I love my kitties! I have two of them, and they're the best. I love them for their intellect! And make no mistake -- they love me because I feed them, brush them, and clean their litter box. Not because they have a heart. Think about it. Have you ever actually seen a cat's heart? Didn't think so. That proves it. Update: I know at least one of our cats has a heart, because I've seen the x-rays. Sadly, our two boys are getting old -- they are litter mates, brothers, chocolate persians, sweet personalities and yet very different. We love them both so much, and the one whose x-ray we now have is not doing so well. He has chronic bronchitis or asthma or both, now, and the medications don't seem to be helping much. His doctor has seen him nearly every other day for the past two weeks, but he's still struggling to breathe, and not eating. So we're afraid he's approaching the end of his shelf life, unfortunately. Arrgh! When we adopt a pet, we know we're likely to out-live it, but it's still tough when happens!
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Post by snow on Nov 28, 2014 18:59:13 GMT -5
Oh, I love my kitties! I have two of them, and they're the best. I love them for their intellect! And make no mistake -- they love me because I feed them, brush them, and clean their litter box. Not because they have a heart. Think about it. Have you ever actually seen a cat's heart? Didn't think so. That proves it. Update: I know at least one of our cats has a heart, because I've seen the x-rays. Sadly, our two boys are getting old -- they are litter mates, brothers, chocolate persians, sweet personalities and yet very different. We love them both so much, and the one whose x-ray we now have is not doing so well. He has chronic bronchitis or asthma or both, now, and the medications don't seem to be helping much. His doctor has seen him nearly every other day for the past two weeks, but he's still struggling to breathe, and not eating. So we're afraid he's approaching the end of his shelf life, unfortunately. Arrgh! When we adopt a pet, we know we're likely to out-live it, but it's still tough when happens! Oh Gene, sorry to hear that. I lost my 18 year old a couple of years ago and I still miss him so much. I have another rescue now and I love him lots, but he's not my Sammy! It is so hard to watch them struggle at the end. Big hugs.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 28, 2014 21:34:02 GMT -5
I can't believe that God would be so merciless as to grant eternal life to those whose passion is hunting, but at the same time fail to provide any game for them to hunt. But then again, maybe all hunters are going to Hell. Well, think about it.
In Genesis it states that, "Abel was a keeper of flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3 So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the Lord of the fruit of the ground.
4 Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and for his offering;
5 but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard."
So it seems that at least the OT god preferred a blood sacrifice.
Of course the NT god did the same. Doesn't matter how much people want to believe the NT GOD is so loving.
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Post by xna on Nov 28, 2014 21:40:28 GMT -5
I can't believe that God would be so merciless as to grant eternal life to those whose passion is hunting, but at the same time fail to provide any game for them to hunt. But then again, maybe all hunters are going to Hell. Well, think about it.
In Genesis it states that, "Abel was a keeper of flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3 So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the Lord of the fruit of the ground.
4 Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and for his offering;
5 but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard."
So it seems that at least the OT god preferred a blood sacrifice.
Of course the NT god did the same. Doesn't matter how much people want to believe the NT GOD is so loving.
I don't understand why so many religions like slaughter. Hindu trying to out do the OT. Every five years, the world’s largest animal sacrifice takes place at the Gadhimai Temple in Nepal. The month-long festival has raised controversy due to the large number of animals killed – up to 500,000 over two days. www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/nepal-mass-animal-slaughter-underway-despite-protests/article1-1290956.aspx
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Post by rational on Nov 28, 2014 23:41:15 GMT -5
Most animals don't kill their own kind. They will kill other 'kinds' though. I have a feeling you are not considering the full range of animals when you make this statement. Some spiders, for example, kill their mates. Flat worms have no problem eating their friends and neighbors! Cannibalism is common in the animal kingdom. More than 1,000 species have been known to eat members of their own species.
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 29, 2014 0:31:36 GMT -5
Well, think about it.
In Genesis it states that, "Abel was a keeper of flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3 So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the Lord of the fruit of the ground.
4 Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and for his offering;
5 but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard."
So it seems that at least the OT god preferred a blood sacrifice.
Of course the NT god did the same. Doesn't matter how much people want to believe the NT GOD is so loving.
I don't understand why so many religions like slaughter. Hindu trying to out do the OT. Every five years, the world’s largest animal sacrifice takes place at the Gadhimai Temple in Nepal. The month-long festival has raised controversy due to the large number of animals killed – up to 500,000 over two days. www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/nepal-mass-animal-slaughter-underway-despite-protests/article1-1290956.aspx
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 29, 2014 0:34:59 GMT -5
I think the number of turkeys killed for one day of celebration is around 46 million here in North America. Alvin Birds killed annually in. USA alone I think is around 10 billion?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 3:01:22 GMT -5
I think the number of turkeys killed for one day of celebration is around 46 million here in North America. Alvin Birds killed annually in. USA alone I think is around 10 billion? Yes, and all done for the purpose of laughing at and ridiculing the poor birds as well! (scoffing).
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Post by xna on Nov 29, 2014 5:19:45 GMT -5
I think the number of turkeys killed for one day of celebration is around 46 million here in North America. Alvin Birds killed annually in. USA alone I think is around 10 billion? Modern Thanksgiving turkeys are too fat to fly or breed, bless their souls.
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