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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 11, 2014 13:54:51 GMT -5
Why this Question?,forget these other things of Gods creation. Think of our world wide neighbours, ISAS is beheading Chaldean Christian children and each one has a SOUL. Selling women into slavery,want after a takeover of Iraq say they will demand around 4 million women be sexually mutilated. Let God and the nature he created look after puppyland or pussy cat hell? Genecide is starting again and christians as well as other cultures and beliefs all who have souls are being slaughtered. And you wonder if the cruelest animal on earth-DOMESTIC CAT who kills for fun has a soul ..get a life and reach out to help and support those being persecuted NOW even if you can only give some $$s until it hurts a bit. Nothing equals than seeing your kids being beheaded just before you are> forget the #$%^&*cats. This because you wont denounce your FAITH. Magpies, Your anger is understandable about children being killed or anyone being killed for that matter.
I know where your info comes from about what is happening today.
But I wonder if you know history to the point that Christians have also killed many, many in the past, including children.
Could you define what you mean by this statement? "This because you won't denounce your FAITH."
Who are speaking of in that statement? What faith?
I am an atheist, I have no religious faith of any kind to denounce.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 11, 2014 14:25:20 GMT -5
Without any reference at all to any theological concept -- what difference between human beings and all other species indicates that humans alone have a spiritual component in their makeup? I'll get churched for this one! However according to what we read in Genesis, there is NO difference between the life forms that "have breath of life" for they are all called "living souls" after birth, hatching, etc EXCEPT one thing and that is man is made after the image of God, so says Genesis. So if man is made after a grand Spirit, I'd feel perhaps that that man has a spirit also! Seems all throughout the bible that mankind's spirit was what got him into trouble or out of trouble as far as God was concerned. Take David and his adultery issue...normally according to the Mosaic law he and his adulterous lady should both have been stoned to death, but then when David recognized his own sins and was willing to face his own sentence, the prophet told him that God had forgiven him his sin......etc! So with spirits we enter into some kind of relationship with the God of heaven or don't enter into somekind of relationship with the God of heaven! Our bodies will cease to exist upon death, our souls will be reclaimed by the one who gave that breath of life and our spirits will be either attached eternally with the God of heaven or with the one who inhabits the fiery pit....so I've been told! Seems kind of like that would be what would happen when considered through the eyes of punishment for sinning, eh? I think you're confusing the OT understanding of spirits with the NT understanding of spirits. "Spirit" in the OT meant air, wind, all those mysterious things that move and make things happen around us that no one can see or touch. They were spirits. We now know that all of that is physical matter, no more spiritual than the ground we walk on. The OT spirit represents nothing of God or of immortal souls -- it's just air, which moves on to somewhere else when it leaves our body, like every breath we breathe. If the NT had been written (and the writings selected) by Palestinian Jews, that's what the spirit(s) would mean in the NT. But the NT is a Greco-Christian collection of writings, and the Greeks believed in gods descending in/on spirits/winds endowed with immortal intelligence that performed according to some supernatural plan outside the comprehension of human beings. We can't use the OT to confirm that any living things have immortal souls, unfortunately.
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Post by magpies on Aug 11, 2014 18:10:24 GMT -5
DMMICHGOOD,, You will notice I added a foot note to help define the "YOU" NOT "YOU", BUT, "YOU AS "THEY. Yes History has seen horrible things carried out in the name of Islam and Christianity,"in the name of". Both moderate followers of Islam and Christianity are sickened at what is happening in the name of Islam.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 11, 2014 19:30:22 GMT -5
DMMICHGOOD,, You will notice I added a foot note to help define the "YOU" NOT "YOU", BUT, "YOU AS "THEY. Yes History has seen horrible things carried out in the name of Islam and Christianity,"in the name of". Both moderate followers of Islam and Christianity are sickened at what is happening in the name of Islam. Yes, I saw that, but I still wonder what you mean by the statement. "This because THEY won't denounce your (their?) FAITH."
Who are speaking of in that statement? What faith? Or do you mean just everyone in general won't denounce their own faith, no matter how terrible the actions?
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Post by Gene on Aug 11, 2014 21:16:57 GMT -5
Oh great, thanks, Bob. Now I won't be able to buy peanut butter without reading the label first. Or feeling guilty. Or, more likely, both, if I cannot find a brand without palm oil. Gene, make your own peanut butter and if you need to make it more spreadable, use peanut oil....but then now somebody will be sure to tell me that is taking away the food of the monkeys! That's a great idea, Sharon! Last time I had home made peanut butter was at Happy, Texas convention preps. Whelmina Wegter made it -- roasted the peanuts (mmmmm that smelled wonderful) and made the peanut butter. Yummmmmy! Wish I had her recipe.
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Post by snow on Aug 11, 2014 21:40:44 GMT -5
Gene, make your own peanut butter and if you need to make it more spreadable, use peanut oil....but then now somebody will be sure to tell me that is taking away the food of the monkeys! That's a great idea, Sharon! Last time I had home made peanut butter was at Happy, Texas convention preps. Whelmina Wegter made it -- roasted the peanuts (mmmmm that smelled wonderful) and made the peanut butter. Yummmmmy! Wish I had her recipe. That's far beyond my skills. I'm just going to read labels...
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Post by rational on Aug 12, 2014 0:14:59 GMT -5
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Post by magpies on Aug 12, 2014 5:04:38 GMT -5
DMMICHGOOD,,HI me again. The people fleeing Iraq are given an option (actually 3)convert to sharia, or die,or flee. If they dont denounce their current faith christianity,ancient local groups,moderate Islam,these are the options.. In our media has been photos of a 7 year old Australian boy whos dad is fighting with ISIS holding an adults severed head up by its hair. It was from a person who would not bow down to the terrorist militants. That type of decision is what one day all Western Society will most likely have to individually decide,as individuals or collectively..Like to chat over a cup of coffee with you.
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Post by rational on Aug 12, 2014 15:29:33 GMT -5
DMMICHGOOD,,HI me again. The people fleeing Iraq are given an option (actually 3)convert to sharia, or die,or flee. If they dont denounce their current faith christianity,ancient local groups,moderate Islam,these are the options.. In our media has been photos of a 7 year old Australian boy whos dad is fighting with ISIS holding an adults severed head up by its hair. It was from a person who would not bow down to the terrorist militants. That type of decision is what one day all Western Society will most likely have to individually decide,as individuals or collectively..Like to chat over a cup of coffee with you. This is no different than what happens in any conflict. It is not new. What is new is that instant communication has made the photos available.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 13, 2014 6:54:26 GMT -5
Im convinced animals have souls.
Why? By the way they respond and react to me.
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Post by déjà vu on Nov 20, 2014 20:59:49 GMT -5
do animals have souls that can survive physical death.?
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Post by snow on Nov 21, 2014 10:23:30 GMT -5
do animals have souls that can survive physical death.? Do we?
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Post by bubbles on Nov 21, 2014 14:24:34 GMT -5
I'll get churched for this one! However according to what we read in Genesis, there is NO difference between the life forms that "have breath of life" for they are all called "living souls" after birth, hatching, etc EXCEPT one thing and that is man is made after the image of God, so says Genesis. So if man is made after a grand Spirit, I'd feel perhaps that that man has a spirit also! Seems all throughout the bible that mankind's spirit was what got him into trouble or out of trouble as far as God was concerned. Take David and his adultery issue...normally according to the Mosaic law he and his adulterous lady should both have been stoned to death, but then when David recognized his own sins and was willing to face his own sentence, the prophet told him that God had forgiven him his sin......etc! So with spirits we enter into some kind of relationship with the God of heaven or don't enter into somekind of relationship with the God of heaven! Our bodies will cease to exist upon death, our souls will be reclaimed by the one who gave that breath of life and our spirits will be either attached eternally with the God of heaven or with the one who inhabits the fiery pit....so I've been told! Seems kind of like that would be what would happen when considered through the eyes of punishment for sinning, eh? I think you're confusing the OT understanding of spirits with the NT understanding of spirits. "Spirit" in the OT meant air, wind, all those mysterious things that move and make things happen around us that no one can see or touch. They were spirits. We now know that all of that is physical matter, no more spiritual than the ground we walk on. The OT spirit represents nothing of God or of immortal souls -- it's just air, which moves on to somewhere else when it leaves our body, like every breath we breathe. If the NT had been written (and the writings selected) by Palestinian Jews, that's what the spirit(s) would mean in the NT. But the NT is a Greco-Christian collection of writings, and the Greeks believed in gods descending in/on spirits/winds endowed with immortal intelligence that performed according to some supernatural plan outside the comprehension of human beings. We can't use the OT to confirm that any living things have immortal souls, unfortunately. Bob You need to test your theory on indigenous people.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 21, 2014 16:05:48 GMT -5
I think you're confusing the OT understanding of spirits with the NT understanding of spirits. "Spirit" in the OT meant air, wind, all those mysterious things that move and make things happen around us that no one can see or touch. They were spirits. We now know that all of that is physical matter, no more spiritual than the ground we walk on. The OT spirit represents nothing of God or of immortal souls -- it's just air, which moves on to somewhere else when it leaves our body, like every breath we breathe. If the NT had been written (and the writings selected) by Palestinian Jews, that's what the spirit(s) would mean in the NT. But the NT is a Greco-Christian collection of writings, and the Greeks believed in gods descending in/on spirits/winds endowed with immortal intelligence that performed according to some supernatural plan outside the comprehension of human beings. We can't use the OT to confirm that any living things have immortal souls, unfortunately. Bob You need to test your theory on indigenous people. Why? What do indigenous peoples have to do with Judeo-Christian definitions of "spirits"?
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Post by bubbles on Nov 21, 2014 18:55:23 GMT -5
You said OT spirit was air, wind... The spirit/supernatural/ invisible realm was no different in the OT as NT.
Many westerners deny that spirits exist. Indigineous people understand how spirits work.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 21, 2014 19:02:16 GMT -5
That's a great idea, Sharon! Last time I had home made peanut butter was at Happy, Texas convention preps. Whelmina Wegter made it -- roasted the peanuts (mmmmm that smelled wonderful) and made the peanut butter. Yummmmmy! Wish I had her recipe. That's far beyond my skills. I'm just going to read labels... Homemade peanut or any nut butter isn't so hard to make...actually making it in small measures is truly best as salt is about the only preservative in it and if you make it to decrease the sodium content then you know it will go rancid fairly quickly...though people do refrigerate it but have to zap it to use it, so the frequent heating of it in microwave does as much damage to the stability of it, I'd think, as a week or two sitting on the shelf. I learner a new "preservative" for cookies and cakes, esp. those one would want to ship a distance is "vodka".....sheesh, I suppose if I'd drink the vodka that would really preserve any cookie or cake I'd intended to bake, for I likely wouldn't get them done!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 10:13:22 GMT -5
well we know there are horses in heaven so anything is possible...as to souls that can be saved i doubt it.... Rev_19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Does a horse get into heaven by works or grace? Definitely "works." They are beasts of burden!
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Post by christiansburg on Nov 26, 2014 10:32:33 GMT -5
Cats have such well-evolved brains, they need no heart! Dogs, on the other hand... well... Well, -I guess I will except your apology.
I abhor cats. Sometime I shoot them. I will be disappointed if cats show up in heaven. Assuming I make it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 11:21:42 GMT -5
Well, -I guess I will except your apology.
I abhor cats. Sometime I shoot them. I will be disappointed if cats show up in heaven. Assuming I make it. Is it not prophesied that the "lion" will lay down with the lamb? A lion is a mighty big cat!
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Post by christiansburg on Nov 26, 2014 11:51:07 GMT -5
I abhor cats. Sometime I shoot them. I will be disappointed if cats show up in heaven. Assuming I make it. Is it not prophesied that the "lion" will lay down with the lamb? A lion is a mighty big cat! You are referring to peace on earth not the environment of heaven.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 12:11:05 GMT -5
Is it not prophesied that the "lion" will lay down with the lamb? A lion is a mighty big cat! You are referring to peace on earth not the environment of heaven. "Thy will be done, on Earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN!" I have a "feline" it may be one and the same thing? Irrespective, it will be a "purrfect" environment!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 26, 2014 12:45:01 GMT -5
Well, -I guess I will except your apology.
I abhor cats. Sometime I shoot them. I will be disappointed if cats show up in heaven. Assuming I make it. I just read your post to my lovely white cat sitting on my lap as I type.
She told me in no uncertain words, eh.. mews, that as long as you shoot cat,s that you don't have a snow ball in hell's chance of ever showing up in heaven!
So take that & smoke it in you pipe!
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Post by xna on Nov 26, 2014 12:51:23 GMT -5
Well, -I guess I will except your apology.
I abhor cats. Sometime I shoot them. I will be disappointed if cats show up in heaven. Assuming I make it. I hear at the end times dogs and cat will living together. www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0
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Post by christiansburg on Nov 26, 2014 12:55:21 GMT -5
I abhor cats. Sometime I shoot them. I will be disappointed if cats show up in heaven. Assuming I make it. I just read your post to my lovely white cat sitting on my lap as I type.
She told me in no uncertain words, eh.. mews, that as long as you shoot cat,s that you don't have a snow ball in hell's chance of ever showing up in heaven!
So take that & smoke it in you pipe!
Lord, please save me from the cats! lol
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Post by christiansburg on Nov 26, 2014 12:58:22 GMT -5
I abhor cats. Sometime I shoot them. I will be disappointed if cats show up in heaven. Assuming I make it. I hear at the end times dogs and cat will living together. www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0The cats I dealt with didn't even have a proper burial.
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Post by rational on Nov 26, 2014 21:37:12 GMT -5
well we know there are horses in heaven so anything is possible...as to souls that can be saved i doubt it.... Rev_19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. I wonder if there will be tanks in heaven? God had a problem with the iron chariots in the past. I am guessing the holy horses will not fair much better. Time to invest in defense materials!
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Post by rational on Nov 26, 2014 21:39:50 GMT -5
I just read your post to my lovely white cat sitting on my lap as I type.
She told me in no uncertain words, eh.. mews, that as long as you shoot cat,s that you don't have a snow ball in hell's chance of ever showing up in heaven! :o
So take that & smoke it in you pipe!
I am thinking that cats should be illegal.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 26, 2014 22:03:48 GMT -5
I just read your post to my lovely white cat sitting on my lap as I type.
She told me in no uncertain words, eh.. mews, that as long as you shoot cat,s that you don't have a snow ball in hell's chance of ever showing up in heaven!
So take that & smoke it in you pipe!
I am thinking that cats should be illegal. Oh, rational! I know how you feel about kitty cats! You know that you just love them but you just don't want us to think that you do!
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