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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 14:16:12 GMT -5
I doubt that people surrounding Israel hate them more each day. Hamas hated Israel enough to install 9,000 rockets with which to terrorize Israeli civilians. Western sympathizers have been wringing their hands about the "siege" of Gaza, yet Hamas managed to import 600,000 tons of materials with which to build terror tunnels. Islamic crowds in Germany have calling for Jews to be ‘gassed’, ‘burned’ and ‘slaughtered’. In a video posted online, a respected Danish imam is seen imploring, “Oh Allah, destroy the Zionist Jews … Count them and kill them to the very last one. Don’t spare a single one of them.” I'm confidant that every last Jew in Palestine would be slaughtered if Islamists had the power to do so. Its a sad reality that Hamas wants civilian casualties to feed the Western media. Isn't that what I said? That the people surrounding Israel hate them more every day? By that I mean the surrounding nations, maybe should have had clearer wording. It isn't like Israel is squeaky clean in this either. The amount of civilian casualties in Palestine are far higher than in Israel but that doesn't concern you? I don't like any group that feels it's okay to commit genocide. But that's what you seem to get when there are extremists. Supporting what Israel is doing is no better than supporting what Hamas is doing. You cannot do what Israel has done regarding Palestinian land on the West Bank and hope that the people will take it lying down and not hate them for it. I don't condone the behavior on either side. It's bad enough when it's just politics, but when you add religion to the mix, well it just makes it all the worse. you got to question the side more that uses schools, mosques and hospitals for rocket launch sites....
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2014 14:25:16 GMT -5
Isn't that what I said? That the people surrounding Israel hate them more every day? By that I mean the surrounding nations, maybe should have had clearer wording. It isn't like Israel is squeaky clean in this either. The amount of civilian casualties in Palestine are far higher than in Israel but that doesn't concern you? I don't like any group that feels it's okay to commit genocide. But that's what you seem to get when there are extremists. Supporting what Israel is doing is no better than supporting what Hamas is doing. You cannot do what Israel has done regarding Palestinian land on the West Bank and hope that the people will take it lying down and not hate them for it. I don't condone the behavior on either side. It's bad enough when it's just politics, but when you add religion to the mix, well it just makes it all the worse. you got to question the side more that uses schools, mosques and hospitals for rocket launch sites.... You also have to question the side that targets schools and hospitals. Israel has been known to do that. Why do people think it's okay for Israel to take land that isn't theirs and bomb the people yet it's not okay for the people who have had their land taken to fight for it? The conditions in Palestine are appalling and much of it is due to the sanctions of Israel. Both sides are to blame for the ongoing problems. Have you watched the documentary I posted? If you have, what did you think of it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 14:32:03 GMT -5
you got to question the side more that uses schools, mosques and hospitals for rocket launch sites.... You also have to question the side that targets schools and hospitals. Israel has been known to do that. Why do people think it's okay for Israel to take land that isn't theirs and bomb the people yet it's not okay for the people who have had their land taken to fight for it? The conditions in Palestine are appalling and much of it is due to the sanctions of Israel. Both sides are to blame for the ongoing problems. Have you watched the documentary I posted? If you have, what did you think of it? sorry didn't see that...will do...
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Post by fixit on Jul 27, 2014 14:43:23 GMT -5
you got to question the side more that uses schools, mosques and hospitals for rocket launch sites.... You also have to question the side that targets schools and hospitals. Israel has been known to do that. Why do people think it's okay for Israel to take land that isn't theirs and bomb the people yet it's not okay for the people who have had their land taken to fight for it? The conditions in Palestine are appalling and much of it is due to the sanctions of Israel. Both sides are to blame for the ongoing problems. Have you watched the documentary I posted? If you have, what did you think of it? I hate it that even one life is lost - whether civilian or military. I wish they could all sit down and figure out how to live in peace. That's the ideal world. Now for the real world: Hamas refuses to accept Israel as a nation and vows to destroy it. They planned a terror attack through the tunnels that would make 9/11 seem like a picnic. They fire from schools, mosques, and hospitals. If soldiers walk up to a building to knock on the door they are mowed down. When the IDF phones ahead and asks civilians to vacate, Hamas tries to hinder the evacuation because they WANT civilian casualties to feed the world press. If you were in the IDF military, how would you go about dismantling 9,000 rockets and destroying the network of tunnels in order to protect Israel's civilian population? For Hamas, there is no military solution but there is an age-old principle mentioned in the bible worth considering:
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2014 15:06:25 GMT -5
You also have to question the side that targets schools and hospitals. Israel has been known to do that. Why do people think it's okay for Israel to take land that isn't theirs and bomb the people yet it's not okay for the people who have had their land taken to fight for it? The conditions in Palestine are appalling and much of it is due to the sanctions of Israel. Both sides are to blame for the ongoing problems. Have you watched the documentary I posted? If you have, what did you think of it? I hate it that even one life is lost - whether civilian or military. I wish they could all sit down and figure out how to live in peace. That's the ideal world. Now for the real world: Hamas refuses to accept Israel as a nation and vows to destroy it. They planned a terror attack through the tunnels that would make 9/11 seem like a picnic. They fire from schools, mosques, and hospitals. If soldiers walk up to a building to knock on the door they are mowed down. When the IDF phones ahead and asks civilians to vacate, Hamas tries to hinder the evacuation because they WANT civilian casualties to feed the world press. If you were in the IDF military, how would you go about dismantling 9,000 rockets and destroying the network of tunnels in order to protect Israel's civilian population? For Hamas, there is no military solution but there is an age-old principle mentioned in the bible worth considering: I agree with you in that I too hate the loss of all involved on both sides. I see the points on both sides. Israel is not without blame. They are doing things that provoke some of things that are happening. Palestinians are a desperate people and I have heard some that understand the politics of the area refer to it as an apartheid. Did you watch that documentary fixit? It is very good I thought. It gives a whole different perspective to a lot of the hostility. I always thought much the same as you until I read a book by Robert Fisk "The Great War for Civilization" and it really was an eye opener. He lived in the Middle East for more than 30 years as a journalist. His story of what he knew and saw makes you realize there are no winners in this conflict. I wish there was an answer, like you, so that there could be peace.
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Post by fixit on Jul 27, 2014 16:18:38 GMT -5
I agree with you in that I too hate the loss of all involved on both sides. I see the points on both sides. Israel is not without blame. They are doing things that provoke some of things that are happening. Palestinians are a desperate people and I have heard some that understand the politics of the area refer to it as an apartheid. Did you watch that documentary fixit? It is very good I thought. It gives a whole different perspective to a lot of the hostility. I always thought much the same as you until I read a book by Robert Fisk "The Great War for Civilization" and it really was an eye opener. He lived in the Middle East for more than 30 years as a journalist. His story of what he knew and saw makes you realize there are no winners in this conflict. I wish there was an answer, like you, so that there could be peace. I'll watch the video when I get a chance. The Jews have been treated worse than most races and now they have the power to defend themselves. Arabs have more than their fair share of land and resources. Fisk seems awfully one-sided. Does he mention that Arab and Muslim countries expelled a million Jews who lost everything? An example: Jews owned Iraq's banks and transport networks before being expelled and leaving everything behind.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 27, 2014 17:05:12 GMT -5
It would be handy to understand the following: tribal boundaries pre 1919. treaty between Russia, France and Britain after the Turks were thrown out which divided up the area. the relationships between the different tribes. the relationships between the tribes and the Jews that lived in the area. The term Arab seems to be relatively modern. Can anyone comment on where it came from and when it started to be used. I have read T.E Lawrence's "Seven Pillars of Wisdom". This covers the era around WW One and gives a wee insight and some background into some of the above but is by no means all encompassing. Also read other histories which are helping me understand. Feel free to add some pertinent history from the same era or earlier.
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2014 17:07:59 GMT -5
I agree with you in that I too hate the loss of all involved on both sides. I see the points on both sides. Israel is not without blame. They are doing things that provoke some of things that are happening. Palestinians are a desperate people and I have heard some that understand the politics of the area refer to it as an apartheid. Did you watch that documentary fixit? It is very good I thought. It gives a whole different perspective to a lot of the hostility. I always thought much the same as you until I read a book by Robert Fisk "The Great War for Civilization" and it really was an eye opener. He lived in the Middle East for more than 30 years as a journalist. His story of what he knew and saw makes you realize there are no winners in this conflict. I wish there was an answer, like you, so that there could be peace. I'll watch the video when I get a chance. The Jews have been treated worse than most races and now they have the power to defend themselves. Arabs have more than their fair share of land and resources. Fisk seems awfully one-sided. Does he mention that Arab and Muslim countries expelled a million Jews who lost everything? An example: Jews owned Iraq'a banks and transport networks before being expelled and leaving everything behind. The Jews have been accused of a lot of things over the years, I agree. I think another group that has been through a lot is our aboriginal peoples worldwide . In that book I reference, he talks about many genocides. 1 genocide is one too many, but the point is it hasn't just been the Jews that were all but eliminated over the years. There are some we have never heard of. It is an eye opener once you realize just how many there have been. I do realize that the Jews have the power to defend themselves. They have the states and Saudi Arabia backing them. That's a lot of support. After what they have gone through as a people surely they more than most would understand what it's like to have their land taken and pretty much held captive in their own land. Some understanding, compromise and compassion would not hurt. As Bob (I think) was saying earlier, they had a chance when the PLO were in power and there were peace talks. In 1991 at the Madrid Conference they were finally not considered a terrorist organization. Israel actually accepted them as the voice for the Palestinians because in 1993 the PLO officially recognized Israel's right to exist in peace. They accepted the UN Security Council resolutions and made a public statement rejecting violence and terrorism. They have been close to peace a couple of times, but then an extremist gets into power in Israel again and it starts up again. On and on it goes. Their latest president is one of those. Even the Jews that are not Zionist Jews are speaking out against his tactics. What does that say?
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2014 17:15:47 GMT -5
It would be handy to understand the following: tribal boundaries pre 1919. treaty between Russia, France and Britain after the Turks were thrown out which divided up the area. the relationships between the different tribes. the relationships between the tribes and the Jews that lived in the area. The term Arab seems to be relatively modern. Can anyone comment on where it came from and when it started to be used. I have read T.E Lawrence's "Seven Pillars of Wisdom". This covers the era around WW One and gives a wee insight and some background into some of the above but is by no means all encompassing. Also read other histories which are helping me understand. Feel free to add some pertinent history from the same era or earlier. The book I already referenced goes into some of that if you're interested. There are a couple of other books I have read that you might find some of your answers in. The Two Faces of Islam: The House of Saud from Tradition to Terror by Stephen Schwartz The House of Saud by David Holden and Richard Johns These two were quite good and explained a lot about the history of the Middle East.
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Post by fixit on Jul 27, 2014 17:29:56 GMT -5
I do realize that the Jews have the power to defend themselves. They have the states and Saudi Arabia backing them. Can you point me to more information regarding the Saudis backing Israel?
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Post by fixit on Jul 27, 2014 17:33:08 GMT -5
They have been close to peace a couple of times, but then an extremist gets into power in Israel again and it starts up again. On and on it goes. Their latest president is one of those. Even the Jews that are not Zionist Jews are speaking out against his tactics. What does that say? The main sticking point this year was that Abbas wouldn't recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 27, 2014 18:05:13 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2014 18:07:10 GMT -5
I do realize that the Jews have the power to defend themselves. They have the states and Saudi Arabia backing them. Can you point me to more information regarding the Saudis backing Israel? The Saudis and Israel have had a few things over the years that they backed each other on. Saudi backs Palestine so that is a negative between them and of course there are more. It is a love/hate relationship but because they are both an ally of the States, Saudi recognizes Israel because of that. They do not have diplomatic relations, but do have mutual concerns and agendas in the middle east that have brought them to work together. One of the more recent things they joined in together was the nuclear threat from Iran. Saudi has agreed to allow Israel in their fly zone if they want to launch an attack on Iran for instance. So while Saudi is a reluctant ally, if you can call them that, they are more willing than the rest of the countries to work with Israel on mutual concerns. I think that the most recent bombings by Israel will probably end even the tenuous support of the Saudis in the near future. The thing that makes it interesting is that the States is allies with both and Saudi is in a delicate situation of supporting Israel because of that relationship with the States and it causing problems for them in their relations with their Arab neighbors if they are seen as being too supportive of Israel. Here are a few links to articles: The first one explains the tenuous link between the two and the second one tells about Saudi pulling away from support. Two different views for sure. www.frontpagemag.com/2013/joseph-puder/israel-and-saudi-arabia-unlikely-allies/www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-1205116067Here is another one that I found interesting www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/03/08/saudi-arabia-finances-most-of-israels-weapons-build-up-against-iran/
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Post by fixit on Jul 27, 2014 18:14:42 GMT -5
Can you point me to more information regarding the Saudis backing Israel? The Saudis and Israel have had a few things over the years that they backed each other on. Saudi backs Palestine so that is a negative between them and of course there are more. It is a love/hate relationship but because they are both an ally of the States, Saudi recognizes Israel because of that. They do not have diplomatic relations, but do have mutual concerns and agendas in the middle east that have brought them to work together. One of the more recent things they joined in together was the nuclear threat from Iran. Saudi has agreed to allow Israel in their fly zone if they want to launch an attack on Iran for instance. So while Saudi is a reluctant ally, if you can call them that, they are more willing than the rest of the countries to work with Israel on mutual concerns. I think that the most recent bombings by Israel will probably end even the tenuous support of the Saudis in the near future. The thing that makes it interesting is that the States is allies with both and Saudi is in a delicate situation of supporting Israel because of that relationship with the States and it causing problems for them in their relations with their Arab neighbors if they are seen as being too supportive of Israel. Here are a few links to articles: The first one explains the tenuous link between the two and the second one tells about Saudi pulling away from support. Two different views for sure. www.frontpagemag.com/2013/joseph-puder/israel-and-saudi-arabia-unlikely-allies/www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-1205116067Here is another one that I found interesting www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/03/08/saudi-arabia-finances-most-of-israels-weapons-build-up-against-iran/I see what you mean. I took it that you were suggesting Saudi Arabia was backing Israel financially or militarily with respect to Hamas.
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2014 18:38:45 GMT -5
The Saudis and Israel have had a few things over the years that they backed each other on. Saudi backs Palestine so that is a negative between them and of course there are more. It is a love/hate relationship but because they are both an ally of the States, Saudi recognizes Israel because of that. They do not have diplomatic relations, but do have mutual concerns and agendas in the middle east that have brought them to work together. One of the more recent things they joined in together was the nuclear threat from Iran. Saudi has agreed to allow Israel in their fly zone if they want to launch an attack on Iran for instance. So while Saudi is a reluctant ally, if you can call them that, they are more willing than the rest of the countries to work with Israel on mutual concerns. I think that the most recent bombings by Israel will probably end even the tenuous support of the Saudis in the near future. The thing that makes it interesting is that the States is allies with both and Saudi is in a delicate situation of supporting Israel because of that relationship with the States and it causing problems for them in their relations with their Arab neighbors if they are seen as being too supportive of Israel. Here are a few links to articles: The first one explains the tenuous link between the two and the second one tells about Saudi pulling away from support. Two different views for sure. www.frontpagemag.com/2013/joseph-puder/israel-and-saudi-arabia-unlikely-allies/www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-1205116067Here is another one that I found interesting www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/03/08/saudi-arabia-finances-most-of-israels-weapons-build-up-against-iran/I see what you mean. I took it that you were suggesting Saudi Arabia was backing Israel financially or militarily with respect to Hamas. Oh, no. They aren't doing that. I don't think they would live long in the Arab world if they did. They are in an interesting situation though, being an ally of the States along with Israel. Saudi completely supports the Palestinian cause, and have been in on peace talks many times over the years. There are so many different dynamics going on over there, that I couldn't possibly start to understand most of it. I do think that the statistics of deaths for each side speaks for itself and it is what the world is focusing on at the moment. You said earlier that Fisk seemed very one sided. He does. But he has also lived over there amongst them for a long time as a reporter. He probably knows more than most about the dynamics and politics involved. After reading his book I had a very different understanding of a lot of issues.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 18:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Jul 27, 2014 19:02:03 GMT -5
Oh, no. They aren't doing that. I don't think they would live long in the Arab world if they did. They are in an interesting situation though, being an ally of the States along with Israel. Saudi completely supports the Palestinian cause, and have been in on peace talks many times over the years. There are so many different dynamics going on over there, that I couldn't possibly start to understand most of it. I do think that the statistics of deaths for each side speaks for itself and it is what the world is focusing on at the moment. The statistics for deaths tells us that Israel is militarily stronger than Hamas. Also, Hamas wants victim stories to feed to the press. Let's not forget that Egypt is quietly applauding the dismantling of the Hamas military capability. The best outcome would be that the Gaza inhabitants wake up to the fact that Hamas will only bring misery upon them. If not for Hamas and other terrorist groups the Gazan population could be free to drive across the border to work every day like they used to.
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2014 19:02:21 GMT -5
Wally, this is about Muslims. Do you think Israel is fighting Palestine because of Islam?
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2014 19:08:24 GMT -5
Oh, no. They aren't doing that. I don't think they would live long in the Arab world if they did. They are in an interesting situation though, being an ally of the States along with Israel. Saudi completely supports the Palestinian cause, and have been in on peace talks many times over the years. There are so many different dynamics going on over there, that I couldn't possibly start to understand most of it. I do think that the statistics of deaths for each side speaks for itself and it is what the world is focusing on at the moment. The statistics for deaths tells us that Israel is militarily stronger than Hamas. Also, Hamas wants victim stories to feed to the press. Let's not forget that Egypt is quietly applauding the dismantling of the Hamas military capability. The best outcome would be that the Gaza inhabitants wake up to the fact that Hamas will only bring misery upon them. If not for Hamas and other terrorist groups the Gazan population could be free to drive across the border to work every day like they used to. You may be right about Hamas. It often seems that they do not have the best interests of their people as a priority. However, I do not think that we can tune out the many reports from people who have been within Palestine and have seen what is happening and the destruction to know that it's not all feeding of victim stories to the press. A lot of what you see is happening. It's not just a fragment of someone's imagination to gain support. On the world front, Israel is not doing itself any favors by continuing to do this. Over the years more and more people are speaking out about what is happening in Palestine. I don't know the answer, I imagine no one does.
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Post by fixit on Jul 27, 2014 20:00:25 GMT -5
You may be right about Hamas. It often seems that they do not have the best interests of their people as a priority. However, I do not think that we can tune out the many reports from people who have been within Palestine and have seen what is happening and the destruction to know that it's not all feeding of victim stories to the press. A lot of what you see is happening. It's not just a fragment of someone's imagination to gain support. On the world front, Israel is not doing itself any favors by continuing to do this. Over the years more and more people are speaking out about what is happening in Palestine. I don't know the answer, I imagine no one does. How could Natanyahu do it differently? I think they need to demilitarize Gaza and open the border crossings, but how would they ensure that Gaza remains demilitarized?
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2014 20:32:50 GMT -5
You may be right about Hamas. It often seems that they do not have the best interests of their people as a priority. However, I do not think that we can tune out the many reports from people who have been within Palestine and have seen what is happening and the destruction to know that it's not all feeding of victim stories to the press. A lot of what you see is happening. It's not just a fragment of someone's imagination to gain support. On the world front, Israel is not doing itself any favors by continuing to do this. Over the years more and more people are speaking out about what is happening in Palestine. I don't know the answer, I imagine no one does. How could Natanyahu do it differently? I think they need to demilitarize Gaza and open the border crossings, but how would they ensure that Gaza remains demilitarized? I don't think they could ever ensure that. Did you watch that film I posted? They have some American Jews on there that talk about him and what he could do differently. It's certainly a mess for all involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 21:36:32 GMT -5
Wally, this is about Muslims. Do you think Israel is fighting Palestine because of Islam? i think its a mish mash of reasons...
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2014 21:41:37 GMT -5
Wally, this is about Muslims. Do you think Israel is fighting Palestine because of Islam? i think its a mish mash of reasons... Yes, I'm sure it is many reasons.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 28, 2014 1:06:45 GMT -5
Oh, no. They aren't doing that. I don't think they would live long in the Arab world if they did. They are in an interesting situation though, being an ally of the States along with Israel. Saudi completely supports the Palestinian cause, and have been in on peace talks many times over the years. There are so many different dynamics going on over there, that I couldn't possibly start to understand most of it. I do think that the statistics of deaths for each side speaks for itself and it is what the world is focusing on at the moment. The statistics for deaths tells us that Israel is militarily stronger than Hamas. Also, Hamas wants victim stories to feed to the press. Let's not forget that Egypt is quietly applauding the dismantling of the Hamas military capability. The best outcome would be that the Gaza inhabitants wake up to the fact that Hamas will only bring misery upon them. If not for Hamas and other terrorist groups the Gazan population could be free to drive across the border to work every day like they used to. You sound like you think Hamas came to power in Gaza through democratic means. That's not so at all. The people in Gaza have known for some time that Hamas doesn't care at all about what's good for the people, and the Israelis know that perfectly well. Netanyahu is getting revenge on Hamas for the 3 Jewish teenagers Hamas didn't kill -- ooops, poor Palestinians again. Sucks to be locked in a house that's being bombed.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 28, 2014 1:17:07 GMT -5
You may be right about Hamas. It often seems that they do not have the best interests of their people as a priority. However, I do not think that we can tune out the many reports from people who have been within Palestine and have seen what is happening and the destruction to know that it's not all feeding of victim stories to the press. A lot of what you see is happening. It's not just a fragment of someone's imagination to gain support. On the world front, Israel is not doing itself any favors by continuing to do this. Over the years more and more people are speaking out about what is happening in Palestine. I don't know the answer, I imagine no one does. How could Natanyahu do it differently? I think they need to demilitarize Gaza and open the border crossings, but how would they ensure that Gaza remains demilitarized? What Netanyahu could do different is wait to have his suspicions confirmed before he declares war. If he had waited for the police to discover that it was not Hamas that killed the 3 teenagers in the West Bank, but someone else -- he'd have not had that reason to declare war. He's something like the US president who decided to go to war in Iraq because he suspected something was there -- and it wasn't. These people seem to accept any excuse to bomb places up -- problem is, they're not promoting peace.
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Post by fixit on Jul 28, 2014 1:46:15 GMT -5
The statistics for deaths tells us that Israel is militarily stronger than Hamas. Also, Hamas wants victim stories to feed to the press. Let's not forget that Egypt is quietly applauding the dismantling of the Hamas military capability. The best outcome would be that the Gaza inhabitants wake up to the fact that Hamas will only bring misery upon them. If not for Hamas and other terrorist groups the Gazan population could be free to drive across the border to work every day like they used to. You sound like you think Hamas came to power in Gaza through democratic means. That's not so at all. The people in Gaza have known for some time that Hamas doesn't care at all about what's good for the people, and the Israelis know that perfectly well. Netanyahu is getting revenge on Hamas for the 3 Jewish teenagers Hamas didn't kill -- ooops, poor Palestinians again. Sucks to be locked in a house that's being bombed. The best thing for Gazans is to have their territory demilitarized, and ideally have Hamas banned like their buddies the Moslem Brotherhood have been in Egypt. Palestinians do some stupid things at times - like attacking the Red Cross that's dedicated to helping them: www.netnewsledger.com/2014/07/27/frustrated-residents-in-gaza-attack-red-cross-office/
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 28, 2014 1:46:26 GMT -5
Wally, this is about Muslims. Do you think Israel is fighting Palestine because of Islam? Remember, Hamas did not start sending rockets into Israel until Netanyahu accused them of having three teenagers killed. This is not a fight about religion -- it's a war between two hot heads who disrespected each other -- like two bullies in a school yard. As many as 1 in 5 citizens of Gaza are non-Muslims -- and most non-Muslims are Jews. The rest are Christians. The Israelis are killing Jews in this war. Israel is not bombing Gaza because they're Muslims, they're bombing them because Hamas is there. Likewise, it's ridiculous to think that Hamas is sending rockets into Israel simply to kill Jews. 1 in 5 Israelis are Muslims. You don't hear of any of them siding with Hamas.
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Post by fixit on Jul 28, 2014 1:49:12 GMT -5
How could Natanyahu do it differently? I think they need to demilitarize Gaza and open the border crossings, but how would they ensure that Gaza remains demilitarized? What Netanyahu could do different is wait to have his suspicions confirmed before he declares war. If he had waited for the police to discover that it was not Hamas that killed the 3 teenagers in the West Bank, but someone else -- he'd have not had that reason to declare war. He's something like the US president who decided to go to war in Iraq because he suspected something was there -- and it wasn't. These people seem to accept any excuse to bomb places up -- problem is, they're not promoting peace. The Gaza operation is not about three teenagers - its about removing 9,000 rockets and a network of terror tunnels whose sole purpose is to attack civilians.
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