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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 1:14:59 GMT -5
what makes you think that is what i mean? i mean is what i wrote the majority of the young men in our fellowship meeting do not wear a tie full stop i don't wear a tie on a wed Gosp or fellowship meeting out of ten women in our fellowship meeting six have their hair out one with hair styled to the shoulder, they all profess, they all take part, they are all accepted as they are as members and valued members of our fellowship if you have trouble in understanding this read again because it is absolutely true I have to agree with you virgo. The young women and men I know look like ordinary, modest people. Yes, they are at their most conservative at convention (for reasonable social reasons), but their day to day appearances are mostly that of wholesome young people. I am speaking of the majority, not of examples of extremities at either end. What's really important is not so much the actual result of their outward appearance, but do they feel oppressed and fearful over a dress code being forced upon them? I would say that today, in our part of the world, that is an easy no. The pressures to conform are little different than the pressures to conform at school, or at any church. There is no intense pressure causing emotional harm and constant worry over eternal salvation. There once was, but that is largely gone. The sermon posted by fixit by Ken Paginton is unimaginable today in our part of the world. If appearance was brought up, they might use Paginton's statement of "There is no change of standard in God's kingdom; modesty and moderation" and stop there, which is a reasonable position. The idea of taking someone's photograph and marking it up with a felt pen to specify a new dress would be considered abusively controlling today. The reaction could be enough to get the worker transferred to West Africa, never to be heard from again. I can also state from personal experiences that sister workers have always been respectful of my teen daughter's choices who has never felt any pressure other than what I would term as "open choice moderation". The proper advice, if any is to be given by a worker, should be: "be modest and moderate, and you freely choose how you go about doing that." yes i agree and maybe some put pressure on themselves to conform to a stereo type which is to please others instead of just being themselves and letting Jesus do any changes and i like your last line and agree wholeheartedly
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 1:23:31 GMT -5
I have witnessed a man from the neighborhood dropping in on an evening meeting at convention and being asked to change before the meeting. He was wearing Bermuda shorts and it was 103 degrees (40 Centigrade). But his wife was allowed to wear her 48DDDD low cut gypsy dress. One of the friend's 10 year old son sported green hair the whole four days. One grandmother wore no underwear and scratched .......... Convention can be fun on occasion. I was being a tad sarcastic there. We all know that nothing like that would ever happen where virgo lives. I'm just agreeing. being sarky doesn't become you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 1:24:16 GMT -5
We had a young guy in the 1960's who wanted to have long hair. He insisted he wasn't being "fashionable", he just wanted to "be myself." We asked him to get his hair cut for his wedding photo, but he wanted to "be myself." Years later when long hair was no longer in fashion he told us his wedding photographs "look stupid." Then he got his head shaved. It wasn't "fashion" but "being myself." Now he just wears his hair short and sensible, and doesn't like being reminded of his "shiny top" photos.
When people say they "don't want to conform" and they want to "be themself" you can be sure they will find something else to conform to; conform more vigorously and conform to the idea of conforming.
Who do YOU conform to?
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Post by snow on Jul 4, 2014 9:57:34 GMT -5
Yes Virgo -- If I am not more careful they may excommunicate me and use their special connection with heaven to damn me to hell --- (again!!) looks like you have done most of that yourself I agree Virgo. Your organization would never do that kind of thing. It's all just bitter people trying to cause problems. I'm sure glad you don't have anything like that where you live. After all, we know we shouldn't question the wisdom of the workers. We should know that they are connected to God and no one can no the mind of God so we just have to trust that they know more than us when these things happen that appear to be so horrific to us.
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Post by snow on Jul 4, 2014 10:00:19 GMT -5
I was being a tad sarcastic there. We all know that nothing like that would ever happen where virgo lives. I'm just agreeing. being sarky doesn't become you I agree.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jul 4, 2014 16:22:43 GMT -5
Contempt for folks (especially women) who choose non-conformity/individuality is a well known trade mark for 2x2ism. Perhaps this mindset is a matter of survival for the group as it is hard to find support for the idea that "We are more righteous before God than any other people or group in the world" if there is no hard tangable surface evidence. (Like skirt length in the group, or the absence of TVs in the meeting room, hair in a bun, etc etc.) There are major moral costs to be paid if this "most righteous in the world" banner is to be upheld. 2x2ism has been more than willing to pay them. Some of the young ladies were talking about one of their aged group's folks who had gotten married and hadn't been married very long...showed up at conv. and all during conv. wore her hair long and straight down as she pretty well had all her teenage and early adult years. One of the brother workers took her aside and told her now that she was married and looking to start a family that it was time for her to start putting her hair up...she politely told him that he wasn't her husband and that it says that a wife is to please the husband....the worker just said "humpfff!" and walked away!
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Post by findingtruth on Jul 4, 2014 18:41:01 GMT -5
That was some great old film footage. wow have we really come a long ways in test 130 years! yes we now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish and even make up and i haven't seen those excommunicated nor would i want to I'm curious - who is the "we" you are referring to in your statement " we now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...."
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Post by fixit on Jul 4, 2014 19:08:15 GMT -5
Wilson Reid, Irish Convention:
He makes some pretty profound assertions.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 4, 2014 19:08:43 GMT -5
yes we now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish and even make up and i haven't seen those excommunicated nor would i want to I'm curious - who is the "we" you are referring to in your statement " we now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...." Yes , I wondered who virgo's WE is as well.
It's true that I haven't been to a convention for five years, but I have trouble envisioning so many women running around convention with "skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish and even make up!"
I almost have decided that virgo isn't talking about the religion that I grew up with
Do you suppose maybe he has strayed from some other religious board?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 4, 2014 19:19:43 GMT -5
Wilson Reid, Irish Convention: He makes some pretty profound assertions. That kind of thinking reminds me how priests literally risk their own lives leaning in toward someone being burned at the stake in attempt to hopefully hear the person recant their "heresy." Such kindness! It would only be a deed of kindness, because it would be an awful thing to make them believe all was well when they could be deceived in the very worst way. "
Again, such kindness!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 23:06:33 GMT -5
yes we now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish and even make up and i haven't seen those excommunicated nor would i want to I'm curious - who is the "we" you are referring to in your statement " we now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...." ah would you like me to say "I now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 23:08:44 GMT -5
Wilson Reid, Irish Convention: He makes some pretty profound assertions. and?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 4, 2014 23:14:09 GMT -5
I'm curious - who is the "we" you are referring to in your statement " we now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...." ah would you like me to say "I now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...." Ah, seeing you, virgo, with a "skirt half way up the thigh, flimsy dress, hair out,(out of where?-oh no, not that!) finger and toe nail polish ...." would NOT be a very attractive sight! Forget it!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 4, 2014 23:16:25 GMT -5
Wilson Reid, Irish Convention: He makes some pretty profound assertions. and? And what? Are you agreeing with Reid?
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Post by mdm on Jul 5, 2014 2:47:45 GMT -5
Quote - "We do know why Paul said this though, and it had to do with pride, and looking down on others that couldn't afford what they could afford. There is no humility in advertising the fact that you are rich." So Paul's only issue was with CLASS? Did he have a problem with sexually improper dress? Did he have a problem with aggressive style dress? Did he have a problem with deliberately unkempt dress? Did he have a problem with fashionable dress?
Yes he did. As with speech, temperament, hair, ornamentation etc --- dress matters. Dress was to moderate, respectful and "grave" - for Godliness sake. From what I've seen, folks in other churches dress at about the same modesty/propriety level as the friends in my area - the form may be different, but the level of modesty/propriety is the same. Here is where the friends could improve on modesty and propriety: allow women to wear pants to meetings, because wearing a short skirt while sitting in a circle leads to some less than modest and proper situations (the problem is avoided when sitting in pews or wearing pants or long skirts).
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Post by Gene on Jul 5, 2014 6:35:58 GMT -5
I'm curious - who is the "we" you are referring to in your statement " we now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...." ah would you like me to say "I now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...." No, we'd like Bert to say that.
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Post by Greg on Jul 5, 2014 6:47:08 GMT -5
I'm curious - who is the "we" you are referring to in your statement " we now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...." ah would you like me to say "I now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...." Probably not. Probably wants to know who the "we" are. The church in your community, state, country?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 8:05:43 GMT -5
Quote - "We do know why Paul said this though, and it had to do with pride, and looking down on others that couldn't afford what they could afford. There is no humility in advertising the fact that you are rich." So Paul's only issue was with CLASS? Did he have a problem with sexually improper dress? Did he have a problem with aggressive style dress? Did he have a problem with deliberately unkempt dress? Did he have a problem with fashionable dress?
Yes he did. As with speech, temperament, hair, ornamentation etc --- dress matters. Dress was to moderate, respectful and "grave" - for Godliness sake. From what I've seen, folks in other churches dress at about the same modesty/propriety level as the friends in my area - the form may be different, but the level of modesty/propriety is the same. Here is where the friends could improve on modesty and propriety: allow women to wear pants to meetings, because wearing a short skirt while sitting in a circle leads to some less than modest and proper situations (the problem is avoided when sitting in pews or wearing pants or long skirts). That's my observation too. The modesty levels of the friends are somewhere in the same region as other church-going people. That is, an objective outside third party with no knowledge of the friends would not casually identify them if they were mixed in a regular church crowd. Those of us more keen to the nuances of F&W styles would have better success at picking out the friends in a church crowd. Some of the older ones would be quite noticeable in any crowd. Good point about the pants in meeting. The circular style of home meetings does present people differently than pew-style. However, the worker solution would be for longer dresses, not pants, in the case of the shorter skirt situation. I doubt that we will see pants in meeting for a long time. Because professing women (in our part of the world anyway) feel free to wear pants at all times other than in formal church events, I don't think there is any tension over wearing skirts to meeting-related events, at least as far as I can detect. In fact, I suspect that because some wear pants so much to work or school that some of them will welcome the opportunity to dress in a skirt on Sunday. Regardless, I don't think there is a broad or strong feeling of repression over the dress code situation these days so there is little impetus for change there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 8:12:56 GMT -5
ah would you like me to say "I now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...." Probably not. Probably wants to know who the "we" are. The church in your community, state, country? I interpreted that as meaning "our group that I observe (in my city and convention) includes...." but it would not be predominant at all, nor even common. I think the point he is trying to make is that there is a certain level of tolerance for "skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish" that did not exist in the past. Halfway around the world, my observation is the same.
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Post by mdm on Jul 5, 2014 9:26:39 GMT -5
From what I've seen, folks in other churches dress at about the same modesty/propriety level as the friends in my area - the form may be different, but the level of modesty/propriety is the same. Here is where the friends could improve on modesty and propriety: allow women to wear pants to meetings, because wearing a short skirt while sitting in a circle leads to some less than modest and proper situations (the problem is avoided when sitting in pews or wearing pants or long skirts). That's my observation too. The modesty levels of the friends are somewhere in the same region as other church-going people. That is, an objective outside third party with no knowledge of the friends would not casually identify them if they were mixed in a regular church crowd. Those of us more keen to the nuances of F&W styles would have better success at picking out the friends in a church crowd. Some of the older ones would be quite noticeable in any crowd. Good point about the pants in meeting. The circular style of home meetings does present people differently than pew-style. However, the worker solution would be for longer dresses, not pants, in the case of the shorter skirt situation. I doubt that we will see pants in meeting for a long time. Because professing women (in our part of the world anyway) feel free to wear pants at all times other than in formal church events, I don't think there is any tension over wearing skirts to meeting-related events, at least as far as I can detect. In fact, I suspect that because some wear pants so much to work or school that some of them will welcome the opportunity to dress in a skirt on Sunday. Regardless, I don't think there is a broad or strong feeling of repression over the dress code situation these days so there is little impetus for change there. While I've heard of that "freedom" to wear pants in some other parts of the US, I never saw it in Texas. Perhaps that doesn't mean it isn't there, just that I haven't seen it... It's true though that a lot of women chose to wear skirts/dresses when they want to dress up, and church is one of those places people tend to dress up for.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 9:42:08 GMT -5
That's my observation too. The modesty levels of the friends are somewhere in the same region as other church-going people. That is, an objective outside third party with no knowledge of the friends would not casually identify them if they were mixed in a regular church crowd. Those of us more keen to the nuances of F&W styles would have better success at picking out the friends in a church crowd. Some of the older ones would be quite noticeable in any crowd. Good point about the pants in meeting. The circular style of home meetings does present people differently than pew-style. However, the worker solution would be for longer dresses, not pants, in the case of the shorter skirt situation. I doubt that we will see pants in meeting for a long time. Because professing women (in our part of the world anyway) feel free to wear pants at all times other than in formal church events, I don't think there is any tension over wearing skirts to meeting-related events, at least as far as I can detect. In fact, I suspect that because some wear pants so much to work or school that some of them will welcome the opportunity to dress in a skirt on Sunday. Regardless, I don't think there is a broad or strong feeling of repression over the dress code situation these days so there is little impetus for change there. While I've heard of that "freedom" to wear pants in some other parts of the US, I never saw it in Texas. Perhaps that doesn't mean it isn't there, just that I haven't seen it... It's true though that a lot of women chose to wear skirts/dresses when they want to dress up, and church is one of those places people tend to dress up for. I don't know much about Texas, but I do have an old family friend my age in Texas who hosts a Sunday meeting with her husband in a major Texas city and her use of pants and jeans is quite common and she doesn't hide it at all. However, that's just a singlular example and doesn't speak to common practice. It is so normal here that I suspect no one even thinks about it much anymore. Over the years, literally every professing woman in our area has been out in public in pants.....and I'm including 80+ year olds. Pants may not be frequently used for women over 60, but they are not shunned by any of them. Comparing to other churches can be a bit tricky. On one end of the scale, our Eastern Orthodox ladies are as distinctively conservative as professing women a couple of decades ago, all wearing full length skirts. At the other end of the scale, we have a popular community church in which you would probably look out of place if you weren't wearing blue jeans or something in that ballpark......extremely casual. But for the mainstream churches such as Presbyterians, Lutherans and Alliance, the friends more or less fall into that part of the spectrum.
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Post by findingtruth on Jul 5, 2014 11:26:13 GMT -5
I'm curious - who is the "we" you are referring to in your statement " we now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...." ah would you like me to say "I now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...." Virgo, you know quite well EXACTLY what I mean. Honesty is not one of your virtues. You deny reality and exaggerate what you truly observe in the 2x2 fellowship regardless of where the group is located geographically. Your condescending attitude is not surprising. You act like those of us who have left and make comments about the fellowship are so out of touch with the standard of the fellowship today that we have no idea how things really are. Ridiculous. Many, if not most of us are still in very close contact with those who continue to go to meetings. And there are many who still attend meetings who are honest enough to state things as they really are. Do you think we're blind and ignorant? I suspect you do. I'm not aware of any who have left meetings that cannot see outward changes in dress. Some of us experienced them ourselves while we were still in. Comments are often made by many of the friends in such as way that suggests it's amazing that they look a bit more like the so-called "world". Why should it be amazing?? While some things are changing some fears remain very intact. There is a terrible fear of cutting their hair too short to be able to wear up. Some DO cut it to their shoulders but put it up in meetings so it does not invite criticism from other members of the group. Those who wear it down typically have it long enough to avoid any critical remarks. There is nothing wrong with long hair but when it becomes "law" or an expectation, there IS a problem. I know these things because I am a woman and have heard many conversations among women at conventions and in other 2x2 group conversations. Scripture has been used to intimidate and instill fear in women. Scripture that was based solely on trends of that era and absolutely nothing to do with the gospel message. Transition in the group is an uncomfortable and awkward thing, especially among women. So Virgo, if you'd like to speak of changes, please speak of changes in the men of the group. Are you a man or woman? If you're a man you couldn't possibly understand the process of changes the women are going through.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 5, 2014 15:10:06 GMT -5
ah would you like me to say "I now have skirts half way up the thigh, flimsy dresses, hair out, finger and toe nail polish ...." Virgo, you know quite well EXACTLY what I mean. Honesty is not one of your virtues. You deny reality and exaggerate what you truly observe in the 2x2 fellowship regardless of where the group is located geographically. Your condescending attitude is not surprising. You act like those of us who have left and make comments about the fellowship are so out of touch with the standard of the fellowship today that we have no idea how things really are. Ridiculous. Many, if not most of us are still in very close contact with those who continue to go to meetings. And there are many who still attend meetings who are honest enough to state things as they really are. Do you think we're blind and ignorant? I suspect you do. I'm not aware of any who have left meetings that cannot see outward changes in dress. Some of us experienced them ourselves while we were still in. Comments are often made by many of the friends in such as way that suggests it's amazing that they look a bit more like the so-called "world". Why should it be amazing?? While some things are changing some fears remain very intact. There is a terrible fear of cutting their hair too short to be able to wear up. Some DO cut it to their shoulders but put it up in meetings so it does not invite criticism from other members of the group. Those who wear it down typically have it long enough to avoid any critical remarks. There is nothing wrong with long hair but when it becomes "law" or an expectation, there IS a problem. I know these things because I am a woman and have heard many conversations among women at conventions and in other 2x2 group conversations. Scripture has been used to intimidate and instill fear in women. Scripture that was based solely on trends of that era and absolutely nothing to do with the gospel message. Transition in the group is an uncomfortable and awkward thing, especially among women. So Virgo, if you'd like to speak of changes, please speak of changes in the men of the group. Are you a man or woman? If you're a man you couldn't possibly understand the process of changes the women are going through. Thank you, findingtruth!
I was just about to comment on all the men who are expounding prolifically on woman's dress!
Virgo either thinks he knows all about the subject or he is blind to the reality.
I also wonder greatly at how honest he is. Is he in denial of the reality in the 2x2 fellowship, or just blind?
Due in part to the fact that 2x2 fellowship involved whole families, those of us who are out usually know a lot of people still in and we aren't out of the loop as to what is going on.
Any man ever in the 2x2 fellowship or still in the 2x2 fellowship, does NOT & CANNOT understand what women went through & I'm sure still go though when it comes to having to meet the standards of dress mandated by the workers! Period! End!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 16:24:52 GMT -5
Virgo, you know quite well EXACTLY what I mean. Honesty is not one of your virtues. You deny reality and exaggerate what you truly observe in the 2x2 fellowship regardless of where the group is located geographically. Your condescending attitude is not surprising. You act like those of us who have left and make comments about the fellowship are so out of touch with the standard of the fellowship today that we have no idea how things really are. Ridiculous. Many, if not most of us are still in very close contact with those who continue to go to meetings. And there are many who still attend meetings who are honest enough to state things as they really are. Do you think we're blind and ignorant? I suspect you do. I'm not aware of any who have left meetings that cannot see outward changes in dress. Some of us experienced them ourselves while we were still in. Comments are often made by many of the friends in such as way that suggests it's amazing that they look a bit more like the so-called "world". Why should it be amazing?? While some things are changing some fears remain very intact. There is a terrible fear of cutting their hair too short to be able to wear up. Some DO cut it to their shoulders but put it up in meetings so it does not invite criticism from other members of the group. Those who wear it down typically have it long enough to avoid any critical remarks. There is nothing wrong with long hair but when it becomes "law" or an expectation, there IS a problem. I know these things because I am a woman and have heard many conversations among women at conventions and in other 2x2 group conversations. Scripture has been used to intimidate and instill fear in women. Scripture that was based solely on trends of that era and absolutely nothing to do with the gospel message. Transition in the group is an uncomfortable and awkward thing, especially among women. So Virgo, if you'd like to speak of changes, please speak of changes in the men of the group. Are you a man or woman? If you're a man you couldn't possibly understand the process of changes the women are going through. Thank you, findingtruth!
I was just about to comment on all the men who are expounding prolifically on woman's dress!
Virgo either thinks he knows all about the subject or he is blind to the reality.
I also wonder greatly at how honest he is. Is he in denial of the reality in the 2x2 fellowship, or just blind?
Due in part to the fact that 2x2 fellowship involved whole families, those of us who are out usually know a lot of people still in and we aren't out of the loop as to what is going on.
Any man ever in the 2x2 fellowship or still in the 2x2 fellowship, does NOT & CANNOT understand what women went through & I'm sure still go though when it comes to having to meet the standards of dress mandated by the workers! Period! End!
men have thier own set of standards they have to follow just like the women do, i remember the times where i got my ears flicked for having short hair which was humiliating and painful...
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 5, 2014 16:44:51 GMT -5
Thank you, findingtruth!
I was just about to comment on all the men who are expounding prolifically on woman's dress!
Virgo either thinks he knows all about the subject or he is blind to the reality.
I also wonder greatly at how honest he is. Is he in denial of the reality in the 2x2 fellowship, or just blind?
Due in part to the fact that 2x2 fellowship involved whole families, those of us who are out usually know a lot of people still in and we aren't out of the loop as to what is going on.
Any man ever in the 2x2 fellowship or still in the 2x2 fellowship, does NOT & CANNOT understand what women went through & I'm sure still go though when it comes to having to meet the standards of dress mandated by the workers! Period! End!
men have thier own set of standards they have to follow just like the women do, i remember the times where i got my ears flicked for having short hair which was humiliating and painful... Come on! for having short hair?
Did you hear from the platform every, and I do mean every, convention a sermon on men's appearance?
The last convention that I was in, I sat waiting for the time the honored sermon on women's dress. I didn't wait in vain.
It was a one sentence, kind of side swipe direction.
But it was there!
Did I hear Anything about MEN'S apparel? NO!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 18:47:37 GMT -5
men have thier own set of standards they have to follow just like the women do, i remember the times where i got my ears flicked for having short hair which was humiliating and painful... Come on! for having short hair?
Did you hear from the platform every, and I do mean every, convention a sermon on men's appearance?
The last convention that I was in, I sat waiting for the time the honored sermon on women's dress. I didn't wait in vain.
It was a one sentence, kind of side swipe direction.
But it was there!
Did I hear Anything about MEN'S apparel? NO!
nevertheless it happened till i got big enough to defend myself...i've heard sermons about men wearing suits to mtg, clean clothes(no tears which was a style for a time), slacks, nice shoes, ties(about the most useless piece of clothing if there ever was one)i remember dreading going out to eat on sundays for fear of being seen in a suit by my school friends which i would hear about at school if i did...
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 5, 2014 20:16:50 GMT -5
Come on! for having short hair?
Did you hear from the platform every, and I do mean every, convention a sermon on men's appearance?
The last convention that I was in, I sat waiting for the time the honored sermon on women's dress. I didn't wait in vain.
It was a one sentence, kind of side swipe direction.
But it was there!
Did I hear Anything about MEN'S apparel? NO!
nevertheless it happened till i got big enough to defend myself...i've heard sermons about men wearing suits to mtg, clean clothes(no tears which was a style for a time), slacks, nice shoes, ties(about the most useless piece of clothing if there ever was one)i remember dreading going out to eat on sundays for fear of being seen in a suit by my school friends which i would hear about at school if i did... I have wondered before about whether you & I are talking about the same religion and now I do believe that we are talking about two different churches.
I have never heard men's appearance discussed in meetings or conventions except for the brief time in the '60's when men were wearing their hair longer.
I do believe that you are talking about a totally different religion that the one I am talking about, what was called "TRUTH" OR "THE WAY" and what we refer here as the "2X2's"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 20:23:37 GMT -5
nevertheless it happened till i got big enough to defend myself...i've heard sermons about men wearing suits to mtg, clean clothes(no tears which was a style for a time), slacks, nice shoes, ties(about the most useless piece of clothing if there ever was one)i remember dreading going out to eat on sundays for fear of being seen in a suit by my school friends which i would hear about at school if i did... I have wondered before about whether you & I are talking about the same religion and now I do believe that we are talking about two different churches.
I have never heard men's appearance discussed in meetings or conventions except for the brief time in the '60's when men were wearing their hair longer.
I do believe that you are talking about a totally different religion that the one I am talking about, what was called "TRUTH" OR "THE WAY" and what we refer here as the "2X2's"
you should come to the northwest where the truth is still strong...
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